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I am the proposer. Why merge? When comparing the articles, they both list the various incidents near the NLL But nothing distinguishes the confrontations. E.g., the crab fishing incidents are explained, but non-crabbing incidents are included into the crab wars article. This is a COI problem in that crab war article proponents may want their article to have greater importance and thereby include non-crabbing incidents. The best (only) way to clarify is to combine the articles.--S. Rich 12:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
As discussed in my merger proposal, there are incidents along the NLL which are not clearly (or even vaguely) related to crabbing near the NLL. Could there be other primary causes for the confrontations? Consider this -- NPRK underwent a major revaluation of its currency late last year. The savings of many, many people were wiped out by this because of the restrictions imposed on how much old currency could be exchanged for the new currency. This has lead to much public dissatisfaction. Could it be that the NK government "set up" this latest confrontation in order to raise the old specter of US and ROK aggression to divert the ongoing currency revaluation unhappiness? If that is the case, then crabbing has nothing to do with the March sinking and seeking to tie that event with the rich crabbing waters as a Crab Wars incident is improper synthesis.--S. Rich 13:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Why is the Cheonan incident here? There was nothing that I saw about this that suggested the crab fishing dispute was a factor. Xyl 54 ( talk) 13:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
And why are these incidents described as "battles"? They were skirmishes at best. The usual way to describe such events on WP is "Action of... " with a date. Are there any sources that describe them as battles? Xyl 54 ( talk) 13:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I am at a loss to know what this page is about.
The title suggests it is a fishing dispute, along the lines of the
Cod Wars between the UK and Iceland. On the other hand it is written as if it about border dispute incidents between North and South Korea.
Either way it falls short. If it is the former there should be some mention of the fishing aspects of the dispute; it should refer to, say, the activity of the Chinese fishermen, and the whole pattern of incidents, of which there are many (22 in 2009) should be described, not just the ones that deteriorated into shooting matches. If it is about the simmering conflict between NK and SK it should, again, be part of a wider discussion of the whole border dispute. And the unspoken claim, here, that such a dispute is titled the Crab War needs to be backed up with a citation.
I am proposing the article be re-jigged to conform to one of these patterns; I personally favour the first, as that is what the title says.
Xyl 54 (
talk)
14:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
there was yet another incident today on november 23 this artcal now needs to be updates. as it turns out this border dispute has difinatly not been resolved. why cant the northern most island thats claimed just go to north korea. look at how the cod wars were solved they gave iceland its extra territory north korea should get some kind of a settlement before this war gets very bloody and there becomes a 2nd Korean war. 99.155.212.38 ( talk) 21:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
An odd misunderstanding -- not yet an edit war -- has arisen from the 1st sentence of this article:
The book which is cited as support for this introductory sentence was published in 1994; and in our WP:V context, 1999 makes no sense. A review of this article's edit history reveals that Mztourist added the the Elferlink citation here.
The function of the first sentence is arguably summarized by this cogent phrase " framework, background and overview for a series of related disputes" in Xyl 54's comment here at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korean maritime border incidents.
FACT: UNCLOS III began in 1973.
FACT: Something happened in 1999.
FACT: The cited source confirms the genesis of conflict in 1973. -- Tenmei ( talk) 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Please note that the accompanying Elferlink citation becomes redundant— replaced by a more recent, more on-point citation. -- Tenmei ( talk) 22:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I hope this is perceived as a helpful step in a good direction. -- Tenmei ( talk) 06:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
"Korean NLL Conflict" is not a suitable name since "NLL" is meaningless unless you're intimately familiar with the issue, and the capitalization is wrong too. I've reverted the move pending further discussion. Jpatokal ( talk) 21:51, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Endorse the move Jpatokal initiated. -- Tenmei ( talk) 22:45, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
WP:flowery applies to certain sections. Re-write is needed.-- S. Rich ( talk) 12:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I propose a merger with List of border incidents involving North Korea.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
![]() | The contents of the Korean maritime border incidents page were merged into List of border incidents involving North Korea on 31 December 2015. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
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![]() | This article was nominated for
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![]() | This article was nominated for merging with List of border incidents involving North Korea on 26 August 2015. The result of the discussion was merge. |
I am the proposer. Why merge? When comparing the articles, they both list the various incidents near the NLL But nothing distinguishes the confrontations. E.g., the crab fishing incidents are explained, but non-crabbing incidents are included into the crab wars article. This is a COI problem in that crab war article proponents may want their article to have greater importance and thereby include non-crabbing incidents. The best (only) way to clarify is to combine the articles.--S. Rich 12:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
As discussed in my merger proposal, there are incidents along the NLL which are not clearly (or even vaguely) related to crabbing near the NLL. Could there be other primary causes for the confrontations? Consider this -- NPRK underwent a major revaluation of its currency late last year. The savings of many, many people were wiped out by this because of the restrictions imposed on how much old currency could be exchanged for the new currency. This has lead to much public dissatisfaction. Could it be that the NK government "set up" this latest confrontation in order to raise the old specter of US and ROK aggression to divert the ongoing currency revaluation unhappiness? If that is the case, then crabbing has nothing to do with the March sinking and seeking to tie that event with the rich crabbing waters as a Crab Wars incident is improper synthesis.--S. Rich 13:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Why is the Cheonan incident here? There was nothing that I saw about this that suggested the crab fishing dispute was a factor. Xyl 54 ( talk) 13:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
And why are these incidents described as "battles"? They were skirmishes at best. The usual way to describe such events on WP is "Action of... " with a date. Are there any sources that describe them as battles? Xyl 54 ( talk) 13:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I am at a loss to know what this page is about.
The title suggests it is a fishing dispute, along the lines of the
Cod Wars between the UK and Iceland. On the other hand it is written as if it about border dispute incidents between North and South Korea.
Either way it falls short. If it is the former there should be some mention of the fishing aspects of the dispute; it should refer to, say, the activity of the Chinese fishermen, and the whole pattern of incidents, of which there are many (22 in 2009) should be described, not just the ones that deteriorated into shooting matches. If it is about the simmering conflict between NK and SK it should, again, be part of a wider discussion of the whole border dispute. And the unspoken claim, here, that such a dispute is titled the Crab War needs to be backed up with a citation.
I am proposing the article be re-jigged to conform to one of these patterns; I personally favour the first, as that is what the title says.
Xyl 54 (
talk)
14:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
there was yet another incident today on november 23 this artcal now needs to be updates. as it turns out this border dispute has difinatly not been resolved. why cant the northern most island thats claimed just go to north korea. look at how the cod wars were solved they gave iceland its extra territory north korea should get some kind of a settlement before this war gets very bloody and there becomes a 2nd Korean war. 99.155.212.38 ( talk) 21:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
An odd misunderstanding -- not yet an edit war -- has arisen from the 1st sentence of this article:
The book which is cited as support for this introductory sentence was published in 1994; and in our WP:V context, 1999 makes no sense. A review of this article's edit history reveals that Mztourist added the the Elferlink citation here.
The function of the first sentence is arguably summarized by this cogent phrase " framework, background and overview for a series of related disputes" in Xyl 54's comment here at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korean maritime border incidents.
FACT: UNCLOS III began in 1973.
FACT: Something happened in 1999.
FACT: The cited source confirms the genesis of conflict in 1973. -- Tenmei ( talk) 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Please note that the accompanying Elferlink citation becomes redundant— replaced by a more recent, more on-point citation. -- Tenmei ( talk) 22:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I hope this is perceived as a helpful step in a good direction. -- Tenmei ( talk) 06:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
"Korean NLL Conflict" is not a suitable name since "NLL" is meaningless unless you're intimately familiar with the issue, and the capitalization is wrong too. I've reverted the move pending further discussion. Jpatokal ( talk) 21:51, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Endorse the move Jpatokal initiated. -- Tenmei ( talk) 22:45, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
WP:flowery applies to certain sections. Re-write is needed.-- S. Rich ( talk) 12:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I propose a merger with List of border incidents involving North Korea.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)