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What places have a seat that is not in some sort of town or city? – radiojon 02:53, 2004 Jun 29 (UTC)
I found only one inaccuracy in the county seat page. New York City, technically, is not the county seat of Queens County. Jamaica, which is one of four communities in Queens (along with Flushing, Far-Rockaway, and Long Island City)is the county seat of Queens. Just thought I would point that out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.69.234.93 ( talk) 23:03, 9 October 2004 (UTC)
It's my understanding that in addition to the entirety of Fulton County, Atlanta GA has incorporated areas in as many as five other counties. Is this significant enough for inclusion on this page? -- KHill-LTown 00:36, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Much of the article discusses the variations on county government in the United States. County government organization is a different topic from county seats, and county government organization in the United States is still more different from county seats in general. Therefore, I believe that much of this article could be moved to County (United States). 69.140.80.231 01:54, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
The article currently includes the following:
The first sentence is wrong. Many counties have no incorporated municipalities and thus have their county seats in unincorporated areas; Baltimore County, Maryland, is an example. It has nothing to do with the fact that Arlington County used to be part of D.C.; Baltimore County obviously never was. The rest of the paragraph, besides containing further inaccuracies, does not concern county seats, but instead concerns subject matter that is much better handled in other articles. Therefore, I'm going to take out the entire paragraph. Thanks. Doctor Whom 01:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The second sentence makes no sense:
"In the U.S., New England states (excluding Connecticut and Rhode Island, since they don't have any county governments), and in Canada, the Maritime Provinces, use the term "shire town", although only Vermont uses it officially."
Does anyone know what this is supposed to say? -- Mwalcoff 02:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
This makes no sense: "As the county seat of Ingham County, Michigan, Mason is the only city in the U.S. that serves as the county seat ahead of the state capital (Lansing)."
What does it mean to serve as "county seat ahead of the state capital"? That all other state capitals serve as the county seat for their respective counties? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.137.210 ( talk) 20:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of the states' lists are missing. I just finished creating
List of New York county seats, I'll work on the other ones as well.
Update:I am adding a to do list for this page, mainly for my own use, as I add the missing pages.
J. Finkelstein 17:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Should mention that during much of the 19th-century in the U.S., county sizes and the locations of county seats were ideally chosen so that outlying farmers could hitch up the horses in the morning, ride into the county seat and attend to business there, and arrive back at the farm the same evening. AnonMoos ( talk) 06:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
This page is a mess. It's impossible to follow. It should be organized like the Town page-- geographically by country, then by state within the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.76.135.22 ( talk) 07:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I found that Philadelphia was absent from existing mentions of consolidated government. I updated the page to add a reference before viewing this talk page. I agree that organizational details ought to be moved off to another page, leaving behind only a quick mention that some counties have seats in cities with the same name (I believe this mention is already present). So my new update should be moved along with San Francisco, making the destination page more complete. Dtvjho ( talk) 05:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Should County seat (US) and County town (UK) be merged? They have almost identical usage. Andrew Oakley ( talk) 10:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Campbell County is another county with 2 seats: Newport and Alexandria. I'm surprised this list includes Kenton County, but not Campbell County! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.86.250 ( talk) 07:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
What is the significance of the Cities within multiple counties section in an article on county seats? RJFJR ( talk) 20:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Moved to talk of County Seat, how is this significant to understanding County seat? (Would make sense if all of these were county seats and it were renamed 'County seats within multiple counties' but the entries at the bottom aren't county seats.) RJFJR ( talk) 19:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Partial list of major US cities that extend into multiple counties:
Moved to talk of County Seat, how is this significant to understanding County seat? RJFJR ( talk) 19:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
In Virginia, there are 39 independent cities (as of 2001), which are legally distinct from the counties that surround them. An independent city interacts with the state government directly whereas towns, the only other type of municipal government authority in Virginia, do so through the county government apparatus. In many of Virginia's counties, the county government offices are located within the independent cities of their neighboring counties. Also, for certain statistical purposes, some independent cities are considered part of the county from which they separated. For example, although the City of Fairfax is separate from Fairfax County, the county's offices lie within the city, and the city is combined with Fairfax County statistically.
Similarly, the city of Baltimore, Maryland is also an independent city, and much like Fairfax, is surrounded by a county of the same name. However, unlike Fairfax, "Baltimore City", as it is officially known, is not politically or statistically connected with surrounding Baltimore County. Besides Baltimore City and the independent cities of Virginia, there are only two other independent cities in the United States: St. Louis, Missouri; and Carson City, Nevada. Several other cities, among them San Francisco, California; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; [1] Denver, Colorado; Louisvile, Kentucky; Honolulu, Hawaii; Indianapolis, Indiana; Augusta, Georgia; and New Orleans, Louisiana, are all a city and a county (or in the case of Louisiana, a parish), with a consolidated government. In all of the named cities except for Augusta, Indianapolis, Louisville, and New Orleans, the city and county names are identical; Augusta is coextensive with Richmond County, as are Indianapolis with Marion County, Louisville with Jefferson County, and New Orleans with Orleans Parish.
Similar to Virginia, the Canadian province of Ontario has 17 separated municipalities which are municipalities that interact directly with the province without an intermediary county. Although administratively and legally separate from the county, many of these cities still serve as the seat of the county that surrounds them. Ontario also has several single-tier municipalities, many of which serve as a single county government with no lower municipal governments below it. In these cases, the county effectively is the local government in these areas, with a community in the county assigned as the seat, even though it has no municipal government of its own.
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After movign the above two sections to talk, and some other cleanup, I'm removing the cleanup tag. (If you put it back please indicate what further cleanup is needed.) RJFJR ( talk) 19:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Guilford County, as far as I know, only has one county seat: Greensboro. Just because there is an auxiliary C.H. doesn't make it a county seat, as well. Lots of counties have those. Kochamanita ( talk) 03:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Also, here is a citation: http://www.co.guilford.nc.us/departments/index.php, where all addresses are in Greensboro. Kochamanita ( talk) 03:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
How many states use Shire Town In the Northeast United States, the statutory term may be shire town,[1] but colloquially "county seat" is the term in use there. This statement seems to me to be incorrect. Nitpyck ( talk) 04:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
The section on counties with "multiple" seats is poorly explained. On the one hand it says counties may have more than two but then says that none have more than two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.205.88 ( talk) 22:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
A head librarian once told me that our county (Orange County, NY) was technically designated as having 2 seats, though not done in current practice. This was some years ago and I no longer remember the specific term he used that meant that. Do any of the editors here know? I don't see that term mentioned under the multiple county seat section, either. Thank you, Wordreader ( talk) 07:23, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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What places have a seat that is not in some sort of town or city? – radiojon 02:53, 2004 Jun 29 (UTC)
I found only one inaccuracy in the county seat page. New York City, technically, is not the county seat of Queens County. Jamaica, which is one of four communities in Queens (along with Flushing, Far-Rockaway, and Long Island City)is the county seat of Queens. Just thought I would point that out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.69.234.93 ( talk) 23:03, 9 October 2004 (UTC)
It's my understanding that in addition to the entirety of Fulton County, Atlanta GA has incorporated areas in as many as five other counties. Is this significant enough for inclusion on this page? -- KHill-LTown 00:36, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Much of the article discusses the variations on county government in the United States. County government organization is a different topic from county seats, and county government organization in the United States is still more different from county seats in general. Therefore, I believe that much of this article could be moved to County (United States). 69.140.80.231 01:54, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
The article currently includes the following:
The first sentence is wrong. Many counties have no incorporated municipalities and thus have their county seats in unincorporated areas; Baltimore County, Maryland, is an example. It has nothing to do with the fact that Arlington County used to be part of D.C.; Baltimore County obviously never was. The rest of the paragraph, besides containing further inaccuracies, does not concern county seats, but instead concerns subject matter that is much better handled in other articles. Therefore, I'm going to take out the entire paragraph. Thanks. Doctor Whom 01:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The second sentence makes no sense:
"In the U.S., New England states (excluding Connecticut and Rhode Island, since they don't have any county governments), and in Canada, the Maritime Provinces, use the term "shire town", although only Vermont uses it officially."
Does anyone know what this is supposed to say? -- Mwalcoff 02:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
This makes no sense: "As the county seat of Ingham County, Michigan, Mason is the only city in the U.S. that serves as the county seat ahead of the state capital (Lansing)."
What does it mean to serve as "county seat ahead of the state capital"? That all other state capitals serve as the county seat for their respective counties? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.137.210 ( talk) 20:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of the states' lists are missing. I just finished creating
List of New York county seats, I'll work on the other ones as well.
Update:I am adding a to do list for this page, mainly for my own use, as I add the missing pages.
J. Finkelstein 17:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Should mention that during much of the 19th-century in the U.S., county sizes and the locations of county seats were ideally chosen so that outlying farmers could hitch up the horses in the morning, ride into the county seat and attend to business there, and arrive back at the farm the same evening. AnonMoos ( talk) 06:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
This page is a mess. It's impossible to follow. It should be organized like the Town page-- geographically by country, then by state within the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.76.135.22 ( talk) 07:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I found that Philadelphia was absent from existing mentions of consolidated government. I updated the page to add a reference before viewing this talk page. I agree that organizational details ought to be moved off to another page, leaving behind only a quick mention that some counties have seats in cities with the same name (I believe this mention is already present). So my new update should be moved along with San Francisco, making the destination page more complete. Dtvjho ( talk) 05:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Should County seat (US) and County town (UK) be merged? They have almost identical usage. Andrew Oakley ( talk) 10:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Campbell County is another county with 2 seats: Newport and Alexandria. I'm surprised this list includes Kenton County, but not Campbell County! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.86.250 ( talk) 07:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
What is the significance of the Cities within multiple counties section in an article on county seats? RJFJR ( talk) 20:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Moved to talk of County Seat, how is this significant to understanding County seat? (Would make sense if all of these were county seats and it were renamed 'County seats within multiple counties' but the entries at the bottom aren't county seats.) RJFJR ( talk) 19:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Partial list of major US cities that extend into multiple counties:
Moved to talk of County Seat, how is this significant to understanding County seat? RJFJR ( talk) 19:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
In Virginia, there are 39 independent cities (as of 2001), which are legally distinct from the counties that surround them. An independent city interacts with the state government directly whereas towns, the only other type of municipal government authority in Virginia, do so through the county government apparatus. In many of Virginia's counties, the county government offices are located within the independent cities of their neighboring counties. Also, for certain statistical purposes, some independent cities are considered part of the county from which they separated. For example, although the City of Fairfax is separate from Fairfax County, the county's offices lie within the city, and the city is combined with Fairfax County statistically.
Similarly, the city of Baltimore, Maryland is also an independent city, and much like Fairfax, is surrounded by a county of the same name. However, unlike Fairfax, "Baltimore City", as it is officially known, is not politically or statistically connected with surrounding Baltimore County. Besides Baltimore City and the independent cities of Virginia, there are only two other independent cities in the United States: St. Louis, Missouri; and Carson City, Nevada. Several other cities, among them San Francisco, California; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; [1] Denver, Colorado; Louisvile, Kentucky; Honolulu, Hawaii; Indianapolis, Indiana; Augusta, Georgia; and New Orleans, Louisiana, are all a city and a county (or in the case of Louisiana, a parish), with a consolidated government. In all of the named cities except for Augusta, Indianapolis, Louisville, and New Orleans, the city and county names are identical; Augusta is coextensive with Richmond County, as are Indianapolis with Marion County, Louisville with Jefferson County, and New Orleans with Orleans Parish.
Similar to Virginia, the Canadian province of Ontario has 17 separated municipalities which are municipalities that interact directly with the province without an intermediary county. Although administratively and legally separate from the county, many of these cities still serve as the seat of the county that surrounds them. Ontario also has several single-tier municipalities, many of which serve as a single county government with no lower municipal governments below it. In these cases, the county effectively is the local government in these areas, with a community in the county assigned as the seat, even though it has no municipal government of its own.
References
After movign the above two sections to talk, and some other cleanup, I'm removing the cleanup tag. (If you put it back please indicate what further cleanup is needed.) RJFJR ( talk) 19:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Guilford County, as far as I know, only has one county seat: Greensboro. Just because there is an auxiliary C.H. doesn't make it a county seat, as well. Lots of counties have those. Kochamanita ( talk) 03:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Also, here is a citation: http://www.co.guilford.nc.us/departments/index.php, where all addresses are in Greensboro. Kochamanita ( talk) 03:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
How many states use Shire Town In the Northeast United States, the statutory term may be shire town,[1] but colloquially "county seat" is the term in use there. This statement seems to me to be incorrect. Nitpyck ( talk) 04:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
The section on counties with "multiple" seats is poorly explained. On the one hand it says counties may have more than two but then says that none have more than two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.205.88 ( talk) 22:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
A head librarian once told me that our county (Orange County, NY) was technically designated as having 2 seats, though not done in current practice. This was some years ago and I no longer remember the specific term he used that meant that. Do any of the editors here know? I don't see that term mentioned under the multiple county seat section, either. Thank you, Wordreader ( talk) 07:23, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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