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The result of the move request was: No consensus. It is apparent that a discussion is required as to whether these should be disambiguation pages or set indices.
Philg88 ♦
talk06:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose, of course. The same idea as
MOS:PRECISION applies here: "M-185 is precise enough to be unambiguous, but Wikipedia:Naming conventions (U.S. state and territory highways) specify adding the qualifier M-185 (Michigan highway) with a redirect from M-185" --
NE222:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)reply
So your opposition is premised on these becoming set indices? I would completely support these being set indices, but
NE2 seems to prefer having them as disambiguation pages.
bd2412T23:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm confused by the set index proposal, and at this point I would oppose the plain titles being set indices rather than disambiguation pages; even though they're all country roads, the number is not really a significant characteristic that unifies them in any way that would justify making set indices. That is to say, all country roads in Florida would be a more justifiable set index than all country roads named "3". Am I missing something?
Dekimasuよ!00:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)reply
That's the rub - I have no objection to set indices at the current titles, or disambiguation pages at the plain titles. If they are going to be disambiguation pages, the disambiguator becomes superfluous. There are, by the way, articles on county roads in Florida, but they are arranged by county (e.g.
List of county roads in Broward County, Florida).
bd2412T00:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose all. Which county? Which state? The title should contain at least the latter. It should follow
MOS:PRECISION, with the state disambiguator. The new titles, while technically correct, are too generalized and confusing.
Epicgenius (
talk)
02:25, 24 October 2014 (UTC)reply
Support either moving the pages as per the proposal (and adding other county roads in other states with the same numbers) (first choice), or making each of these a road-number set index (second choice). It looks like virtually everyone in this discussion supports that these are either to be moved or made into road-number set index pages, and I think those are the options the policies give. But I also think we need to look more closely at whether we need any of these pages. Looking at the actual pages
County Road 183 (Florida) and
County Road 318 (Florida) each have only one link to any existing article, so they should definitely be deleted because there is nothing to disambiguate.
County Road 3 (Florida) should probably just be deleted, because it only has two links (both redirects), and one is for an extinct road so the road that exists now is the lone realistic primary topic.
County Road 138 (Florida) is pretty similar same except it also has two red links.
County Road 150 (Florida) includes two redirects to the same article? (both are to
List of former state roads in Florida).
- WPGA2345 - ☛07:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)reply
That is a necessary question arising from this naming scheme. If there are multiple states with county roads sharing these numbers, are we going to have one page for all states having a uniquely numbered county road, and a separate disambiguation page for each individual state that has a couple roads sharing these numbers?
bd2412T03:29, 25 October 2014 (UTC)reply
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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No consensus. It is apparent that a discussion is required as to whether these should be disambiguation pages or set indices.
Philg88 ♦
talk06:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose, of course. The same idea as
MOS:PRECISION applies here: "M-185 is precise enough to be unambiguous, but Wikipedia:Naming conventions (U.S. state and territory highways) specify adding the qualifier M-185 (Michigan highway) with a redirect from M-185" --
NE222:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)reply
So your opposition is premised on these becoming set indices? I would completely support these being set indices, but
NE2 seems to prefer having them as disambiguation pages.
bd2412T23:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm confused by the set index proposal, and at this point I would oppose the plain titles being set indices rather than disambiguation pages; even though they're all country roads, the number is not really a significant characteristic that unifies them in any way that would justify making set indices. That is to say, all country roads in Florida would be a more justifiable set index than all country roads named "3". Am I missing something?
Dekimasuよ!00:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)reply
That's the rub - I have no objection to set indices at the current titles, or disambiguation pages at the plain titles. If they are going to be disambiguation pages, the disambiguator becomes superfluous. There are, by the way, articles on county roads in Florida, but they are arranged by county (e.g.
List of county roads in Broward County, Florida).
bd2412T00:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose all. Which county? Which state? The title should contain at least the latter. It should follow
MOS:PRECISION, with the state disambiguator. The new titles, while technically correct, are too generalized and confusing.
Epicgenius (
talk)
02:25, 24 October 2014 (UTC)reply
Support either moving the pages as per the proposal (and adding other county roads in other states with the same numbers) (first choice), or making each of these a road-number set index (second choice). It looks like virtually everyone in this discussion supports that these are either to be moved or made into road-number set index pages, and I think those are the options the policies give. But I also think we need to look more closely at whether we need any of these pages. Looking at the actual pages
County Road 183 (Florida) and
County Road 318 (Florida) each have only one link to any existing article, so they should definitely be deleted because there is nothing to disambiguate.
County Road 3 (Florida) should probably just be deleted, because it only has two links (both redirects), and one is for an extinct road so the road that exists now is the lone realistic primary topic.
County Road 138 (Florida) is pretty similar same except it also has two red links.
County Road 150 (Florida) includes two redirects to the same article? (both are to
List of former state roads in Florida).
- WPGA2345 - ☛07:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)reply
That is a necessary question arising from this naming scheme. If there are multiple states with county roads sharing these numbers, are we going to have one page for all states having a uniquely numbered county road, and a separate disambiguation page for each individual state that has a couple roads sharing these numbers?
bd2412T03:29, 25 October 2014 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.