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Although the COE is not part of the European Union I thought that it might be useful to put the European Union template on this page. -- Drdan 21:28, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
WHAT "With the exception of Belarus and Kazakhstan all European states have acceded to the Council of Europe"
Kazakhstan is NOT AT ALL A EUROPEAN COUNTRY. For crying out loud, it lies on the Central Asian steppes - yes, it isnt a member, but neither is Uganda, and thats prolly as European as Kazakhstan. Someone please explain why Kazakhstan should be a European country???????? >>Err. Western end of Kazakhstan is considered part of Europe. Not a huge part, maybe 20% of the country, but it's considered European nevertheless. I'm sure there are many sites here that can show that to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.233.252.71 ( talk) 21:50, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
FYROM,the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia,as Republic of Macedonia is fabrik for forgery Greek history, Greek culture,Greek geography and Greek symbols Macedonians!See Greek Macedonian symbol " Vergina Sun",Philip II king of Macedonia and Alexander the Great king of Macedonia !!! Vergina 19:43, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Jiang's version even now says "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", it just doesn't link the whole name, so I don't see what the issue is really. -- Delirium 09:05, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)
This is Propaganda !! Vergina 09:08, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Should not the name here reflect exactly the English equivalent of what the COE lists as the name? That should prevail over any POV. This is the COE article and nothing more. There should be no arguing here about it - Marshman 04:12, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It has been proposed that uses of terms Macedonia¤, Macedonian¤, and Macedonians¤ in articles mentioning the Republic of Macedonia¤ should be accompanied with the following disclaimer:
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The article itself and the graphic contradict about which observer status the USA and Israel have. Tfine80 21:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
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I do not believe this is the case; indeed, I think the anon is getting the Council of Europe confused with the European Union. I am reverting this change until such time as they provide a source for their assertion. -- SJK 12:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
How did Montenegro join in 2004, when it was still part of Serbia and Montenegro? john k 18:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I heard that Serbia will be the next Head country of the CE, but I failed to see any mention that there is a leading country in the article at all. -- PaxEquilibrium 23:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe this is a naive question, but I would expect to come away from the article understanding something about what the Council of Europe actually does - and I don't. Perhaps a summary of its various activities would be more useful than the list of partial agreements and Committees - worthy though these may well be. This reads as though written by someone who knows so much about the Council that these simple references are enough to explain; but to the outsider, they aren't. Raggio 21:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
It is starting to become clear that there are a number of people and/or organisations (mainly of a European nature based in Strasbourg) are writing and editing articles about themselves. I would like to remind them that although new content is welcome, it is against Wikipedia's policy to write about yourself, your company, your organisations, your colleges and so on.
In many cases the information is needed, which is why I haven't made a fuss however some pages are starting to sound like promotional items. If you are such an editor please consider using citations for everything you write if it is direly needed. Otherwise inform others of information and sources via the talk page so an independent editor can write the article. Thank you for your attention. - J Logan t: 18:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Following the points above (concerns about editors involved with the organization) and lack of clarity about what the CoE actually does, I have added a section highlighting criticism, after achievements. These criticisms suggest that the Council of Europe at this point does too little. For NPOV, the entry needs to reflect that there such criticism from a number of established and reputable sources. The current information on criticism may be too short still, as there likely are many more concerns out there, from established external sources. ( Hundnase ( talk) 14:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC))
Following the FYROM issue is that we should refer to countries with a sensible convention, such as (1) their name according to the CoE, (2) their official name, or (3) their common name.
I'm looking for either an official list of country names according to the CoE, or a good reason not to call it "Macedonia" and remove footnote b (or add a footnote for every country which is referred to as something else by the CoE). ⇌ Elektron 01:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh the FYROM issue again, I'm quite sure this whole problem was designed for the sole pourpose of annoying Wikipedians. There is a list of members at the CoE website here and that is all semi formal. Elektron is quite right in that it is hardly unique and people are hardly going to think Greek Macedonia is a CoE member. However as it is the name used by the CoE I think we ought to stick to FYROM - less chance of people changing it all the time. Its annoying and I just call it Macedonia, everyone does, but while this dispute is still going on we should stick to FYROM. People know what it means either way, esp. with the flag. - J Logan t: 07:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The map on the right side of the screen is helpful, but the color key is ridiculously small and, for me at least, illegible. Could someone please duplicate the map in the body of the article where the key might be made bigger? - Laikalynx ( talk) 02:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi all,
After reviewing the article on the Council, it seems that the potential for confusion with institutions of the European Union is recognised, yet does little to alleviate it. For instance, the flag of Europe, simultaneously flag of the Council and the EU, is placed before the Council's logo and unproportionately bigger. IMO, this only reinforces common misconceptions. Would it be possible to amend the placement and scale? CoEComm ( talk) 10:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the flag of Europe from the infobox (it remains in the body of the article), until a better solution can be found CoEComm ( talk) 08:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
According to the Accession of Turkey to the European Union, Turkey was actually one of the earliest members of Council of Europe, but based on my reading that article, the membership ended due to a coup. Shouldn't stuff like this (on former members) be included in the article? -- Voidvector ( talk) 12:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Please see link from CoE site: [4]-- Avg ( talk) 15:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It seems there are two maps showing the member states according to when they joined. The map at the top of the page shows Norway and Sweden in light green, which according to the key means they joined subsequently. However, the text and another map further down the page imply that they were amongst the founder states. Jammy07 ( talk) 01:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
According to Jean-Louis Laurens, Director General of Democracy and Political Affairs at the Council of Europe EMNI; Kosovo can become a member of the CoE if Kosovo achieves 2/3 of a vote and Kosovo already has 2/3 recognition in the CoE. [6] Is this worth a mention? Ijanderson ( talk) 11:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
We've seen another flurry of anonymous edits to this page, presumably from Council of Europe hacks. What induces them to redraw the boundaries of Europe to include Kazakhstan? Annettelucy ( talk) 18:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Can we get a reference that they're considered 'founding states'? Though it's very probable, I would still like to see a cite. — what a crazy random happenstance 03:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
The dates the members joined are not sorted. McLerristarr ( talk) 17:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
The flag shown for the Council of Europe is the same flag as is shown on the European Union Wikipedia page. Surely that can't be right?
I have to confess that until today I did not realise that the Council of Europe was a separate organisation from the EU and that previously, when I have heard it mentioned in relation to some decision or pronouncement, I had believed that the item was EU business. I suspect that there are many people like me who have confused the two organisations, and who, as a consequence, give more credit to Council of Europe pronouncements than they might otherwise deserve.
Maybe there could be more emphasis in the article on the difference between the two organisations, the areas of authority, and their powers. 81.187.233.172
Could we have a list anything that's ever been done by this group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.104.4 ( talk) 12:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
This should be a relatively big story but it isn't yet, presumably because no action has been taken yet and the outlining of what will be cut where is still not very clear; however it seems that the CoE will shrink no matter how. Apart from L'Alsace, the only other newspaper having reported on that story that I found are the Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace [7], i. e. for now it's only papers from, or from close to, Strasbourg.-- Insert coins ( talk) 11:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I've added {{ coi}} to the article because this tool shows that an IP registered to the CoE has made the most edits to the article of anyone. A quick read shows large amounts of unsourced information and a lot is a copyvio. Help in reviewing this would be appreciated. Smartse ( talk) 18:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed Kosovo from the list in the section "co-operations with non-members" - it is based on the lists here, where Kosovo is not mentioned. When/if Kosovo applies for some status at CoE (member/observer) it will be mentioned in the members/applicants/observers section, when/if Kosovo is invited to sign/accede to some convention/protocol/other instrument - then it will be mentioned in the co-operations section. In the meantime - we could add a new section "European non-member states", but this is already covered somehow by the "Council of Europe now includes all European states except ..." in the history section. Alinor ( talk) 07:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The man was not in any way, shape or form planning things like a "Council of Europe" or a "United States of Europe" in the form(s) they have taken. Therefore, the current institutions have nothing to do with him. As Churchill said about his ideas as put forth by him:
“ | It should be built by the English. If it were built by the Russians, there would be communism and squalour. If it were built by the Germans, there would be tyranny and brute force. | ” |
Since neither the CofE nor the EU were built by the English, the reference is isolated and purely incidental.
71.173.11.117 ( talk) 18:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps it can be modified, or provided with a caption in its use here, to say whether there is yellow shading. -- 140.247.136.82 ( talk) 18:10, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Cimmerian praetor: The article implies that Vatican City has been excluded from membership of the CoE because it is a "theocracy". Firstly, one should question whether "Theocracy" is the best descriptor for the rather unique governmental system of Vatican City. At that article, the lead describes it as an "Ecclesiastical" state or a "Sacerdotal-Monarchical" state. In the infobox, the term "elective theocracy" is given as the final descriptor, but note the modifier. Secondly and more importantly, is there any evidence or source to support the idea that Vatican City has been excluded from the CoE due to a lack of democratic structures? One wonders how democratic a nation must be when Russia, Armenia, Liechtenstein and Azerbaijan (currently holding the presidency) are all members. I generally don't insist on everything being referenced when the assertion seems likely to be true, but this is not the case here. I doubt the CoE would actually object to Vatican City's constitutional structure. I also suspect that due to the unique nature of Vatican City, it has little need to participate in many international organisations, and relatively few resources to do so. Given these common-sense considerations, I think it's abundantly necessary that this statement be supported by a reference. Gabrielthursday ( talk) 06:26, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The flag of Europe is indeed the official flag of the Council of Europe (CoE). The problem is that, flag of europe are more known for its use by the European Union (EU), as a result, its use in the infobox of the Council of Europe confuse (me, in the past and others, for that reason the CoE has logo with "e") which is not desired by the directive. Good, then, is the flag of europe only exist in a similar conceptual framework within the Council of Europe article (the link of logo within infobox) to avoid confusion and the informations listed smoothly. -- IM-yb ( talk) 00:29, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Given the string of recent disruptive edits, I would like to emphasize that Council of Europe "flag" and "logo" are two different things - they are both official CoE symbols but serve a different purpose. Although the presence of the flag may cause some to confuse CoE with the EU, the reality is that we cannot purge official CoE symbols from Wikipedia just because it confuses you. The issue with the shared nature of said symbols is more than adequately explained in the very first paragraph and also has its own dedicated section further down the article. I think we can expect our readers to actually, um, read?!-- Damianmx ( talk) 20:32, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I am amazed that 68 full years after its creation the CoE would still have no rule on how to sack one of its governing members after a vote of non confidence and several calls to resign, but here you go: (about Pedro Agramunt's ill-advised and ill-timed journey to Syria) Ausbügeln kann diesen Fehler nur der Präsident selbst und zwar mit einem Rücktritt, denn über Regeln, ihn des Amtes zu entheben, verfügt der Europarat im Augenblick noch nicht [only the President himself can right this wrong, by resigning, because the Council of Europe doesn't have, for the moment, any rule about relieving him of his duties], Deutschlandfunk, 27 June 2017.-- Edelseider ( talk) 17:13, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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I believe that a section should definitely be added to reflect Russia's voting suspension at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council, as this is an element of importance. -- DeeM28 ( talk) 06:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
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Should we add the British Overseas Territories into infobox and page in general? (For example; Falkland Islands, Akrotiri, Dhekelia etc.) 176.227.44.104 ( talk) 17:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Russia has been suspended from the Council of Europe due to the ongoing invasion of Ukraine. I do not know how to edit the map so I will leave this message here. (If the invasion is over by the time someone sees this, they were suspended around 17:00 in UK time.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ILikeMountains ( talk • contribs) 19:04, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Russia has withdrawn from the Council so I've updated the map. Skycloud86 ( talk) 17:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
fyi: www.coe.int: Council of Europe leaders make joint statement on the exclusion of the Russian Federation from the Council of Europe -- Präziser ( talk) 06:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, the Euler diagram for the CoE needs updating to reflect Russia leaving it. I have no idea how to edit it's formatting, so if anyone does that would be grand. Jamzze ( talk) 15:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I didn't edit this because I saw there's a small edit war going on, so I'd rather ask the people who are active right now. @ Cactusn.3, Chris Archer, NaviNews, Skycloud86, and Archives908:. There's a few mentions of "46 members" around the article, including in the first paragraph and the infobox:
Founded in 1949, it has 46 member states
I'd like to know what we should do because I haven't seen any of the editors involved correct this number yet. Reuters (I just updated Current Events) said Russia withdrew from CoE voluntarily. Tetizeraz - (talk page) 20:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I know that there are statements in some versions of the article stating that Greece and Turkey both joined in 1949, but there are sources cited which claim that Turkey didn't actually join until 1950, after Iceland had joined. Does anybody have an explanation for this discrepancy? Fabrickator ( talk) 23:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Evidently the Rollback button doesn't allow for an edit summary (mea culpa; re-noted for the future), so I'm putting my justification of my rollback of the IP user @ 213.52.58.244's hatnote change here.
Hence my rollback. Cybercobra (talk) 00:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Noticed that the paragraph on the Secretary General's role cites the name of a previous SG : "The Secretary General, who is elected for a term of five years by the PACE and heads the Secretariat of the Council of Europe. Thorbjørn Jagland, the former Prime Minister of Norway, was elected Secretary General of the Council of Europe on 29 September 2009. In June 2014, he became the first Secretary General to be re-elected, commencing his second term in office on 1 October 2014."
The link to and the text of the article on the SG itself indicates the current SG.
Alternatively, "Marija Pejčinović Burić, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign and European Affairs, was elected Secretary General of the Council of Europe on 26 June 2019. Her term began on 18 September 2019." SLobey ( talk) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Although the COE is not part of the European Union I thought that it might be useful to put the European Union template on this page. -- Drdan 21:28, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
WHAT "With the exception of Belarus and Kazakhstan all European states have acceded to the Council of Europe"
Kazakhstan is NOT AT ALL A EUROPEAN COUNTRY. For crying out loud, it lies on the Central Asian steppes - yes, it isnt a member, but neither is Uganda, and thats prolly as European as Kazakhstan. Someone please explain why Kazakhstan should be a European country???????? >>Err. Western end of Kazakhstan is considered part of Europe. Not a huge part, maybe 20% of the country, but it's considered European nevertheless. I'm sure there are many sites here that can show that to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.233.252.71 ( talk) 21:50, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
FYROM,the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia,as Republic of Macedonia is fabrik for forgery Greek history, Greek culture,Greek geography and Greek symbols Macedonians!See Greek Macedonian symbol " Vergina Sun",Philip II king of Macedonia and Alexander the Great king of Macedonia !!! Vergina 19:43, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Jiang's version even now says "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", it just doesn't link the whole name, so I don't see what the issue is really. -- Delirium 09:05, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)
This is Propaganda !! Vergina 09:08, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Should not the name here reflect exactly the English equivalent of what the COE lists as the name? That should prevail over any POV. This is the COE article and nothing more. There should be no arguing here about it - Marshman 04:12, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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The article itself and the graphic contradict about which observer status the USA and Israel have. Tfine80 21:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
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I do not believe this is the case; indeed, I think the anon is getting the Council of Europe confused with the European Union. I am reverting this change until such time as they provide a source for their assertion. -- SJK 12:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
How did Montenegro join in 2004, when it was still part of Serbia and Montenegro? john k 18:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I heard that Serbia will be the next Head country of the CE, but I failed to see any mention that there is a leading country in the article at all. -- PaxEquilibrium 23:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe this is a naive question, but I would expect to come away from the article understanding something about what the Council of Europe actually does - and I don't. Perhaps a summary of its various activities would be more useful than the list of partial agreements and Committees - worthy though these may well be. This reads as though written by someone who knows so much about the Council that these simple references are enough to explain; but to the outsider, they aren't. Raggio 21:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
It is starting to become clear that there are a number of people and/or organisations (mainly of a European nature based in Strasbourg) are writing and editing articles about themselves. I would like to remind them that although new content is welcome, it is against Wikipedia's policy to write about yourself, your company, your organisations, your colleges and so on.
In many cases the information is needed, which is why I haven't made a fuss however some pages are starting to sound like promotional items. If you are such an editor please consider using citations for everything you write if it is direly needed. Otherwise inform others of information and sources via the talk page so an independent editor can write the article. Thank you for your attention. - J Logan t: 18:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Following the points above (concerns about editors involved with the organization) and lack of clarity about what the CoE actually does, I have added a section highlighting criticism, after achievements. These criticisms suggest that the Council of Europe at this point does too little. For NPOV, the entry needs to reflect that there such criticism from a number of established and reputable sources. The current information on criticism may be too short still, as there likely are many more concerns out there, from established external sources. ( Hundnase ( talk) 14:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC))
Following the FYROM issue is that we should refer to countries with a sensible convention, such as (1) their name according to the CoE, (2) their official name, or (3) their common name.
I'm looking for either an official list of country names according to the CoE, or a good reason not to call it "Macedonia" and remove footnote b (or add a footnote for every country which is referred to as something else by the CoE). ⇌ Elektron 01:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh the FYROM issue again, I'm quite sure this whole problem was designed for the sole pourpose of annoying Wikipedians. There is a list of members at the CoE website here and that is all semi formal. Elektron is quite right in that it is hardly unique and people are hardly going to think Greek Macedonia is a CoE member. However as it is the name used by the CoE I think we ought to stick to FYROM - less chance of people changing it all the time. Its annoying and I just call it Macedonia, everyone does, but while this dispute is still going on we should stick to FYROM. People know what it means either way, esp. with the flag. - J Logan t: 07:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The map on the right side of the screen is helpful, but the color key is ridiculously small and, for me at least, illegible. Could someone please duplicate the map in the body of the article where the key might be made bigger? - Laikalynx ( talk) 02:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi all,
After reviewing the article on the Council, it seems that the potential for confusion with institutions of the European Union is recognised, yet does little to alleviate it. For instance, the flag of Europe, simultaneously flag of the Council and the EU, is placed before the Council's logo and unproportionately bigger. IMO, this only reinforces common misconceptions. Would it be possible to amend the placement and scale? CoEComm ( talk) 10:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the flag of Europe from the infobox (it remains in the body of the article), until a better solution can be found CoEComm ( talk) 08:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
According to the Accession of Turkey to the European Union, Turkey was actually one of the earliest members of Council of Europe, but based on my reading that article, the membership ended due to a coup. Shouldn't stuff like this (on former members) be included in the article? -- Voidvector ( talk) 12:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Please see link from CoE site: [4]-- Avg ( talk) 15:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It seems there are two maps showing the member states according to when they joined. The map at the top of the page shows Norway and Sweden in light green, which according to the key means they joined subsequently. However, the text and another map further down the page imply that they were amongst the founder states. Jammy07 ( talk) 01:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
According to Jean-Louis Laurens, Director General of Democracy and Political Affairs at the Council of Europe EMNI; Kosovo can become a member of the CoE if Kosovo achieves 2/3 of a vote and Kosovo already has 2/3 recognition in the CoE. [6] Is this worth a mention? Ijanderson ( talk) 11:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
We've seen another flurry of anonymous edits to this page, presumably from Council of Europe hacks. What induces them to redraw the boundaries of Europe to include Kazakhstan? Annettelucy ( talk) 18:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Can we get a reference that they're considered 'founding states'? Though it's very probable, I would still like to see a cite. — what a crazy random happenstance 03:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
The dates the members joined are not sorted. McLerristarr ( talk) 17:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
The flag shown for the Council of Europe is the same flag as is shown on the European Union Wikipedia page. Surely that can't be right?
I have to confess that until today I did not realise that the Council of Europe was a separate organisation from the EU and that previously, when I have heard it mentioned in relation to some decision or pronouncement, I had believed that the item was EU business. I suspect that there are many people like me who have confused the two organisations, and who, as a consequence, give more credit to Council of Europe pronouncements than they might otherwise deserve.
Maybe there could be more emphasis in the article on the difference between the two organisations, the areas of authority, and their powers. 81.187.233.172
Could we have a list anything that's ever been done by this group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.104.4 ( talk) 12:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
This should be a relatively big story but it isn't yet, presumably because no action has been taken yet and the outlining of what will be cut where is still not very clear; however it seems that the CoE will shrink no matter how. Apart from L'Alsace, the only other newspaper having reported on that story that I found are the Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace [7], i. e. for now it's only papers from, or from close to, Strasbourg.-- Insert coins ( talk) 11:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I've added {{ coi}} to the article because this tool shows that an IP registered to the CoE has made the most edits to the article of anyone. A quick read shows large amounts of unsourced information and a lot is a copyvio. Help in reviewing this would be appreciated. Smartse ( talk) 18:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed Kosovo from the list in the section "co-operations with non-members" - it is based on the lists here, where Kosovo is not mentioned. When/if Kosovo applies for some status at CoE (member/observer) it will be mentioned in the members/applicants/observers section, when/if Kosovo is invited to sign/accede to some convention/protocol/other instrument - then it will be mentioned in the co-operations section. In the meantime - we could add a new section "European non-member states", but this is already covered somehow by the "Council of Europe now includes all European states except ..." in the history section. Alinor ( talk) 07:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The man was not in any way, shape or form planning things like a "Council of Europe" or a "United States of Europe" in the form(s) they have taken. Therefore, the current institutions have nothing to do with him. As Churchill said about his ideas as put forth by him:
“ | It should be built by the English. If it were built by the Russians, there would be communism and squalour. If it were built by the Germans, there would be tyranny and brute force. | ” |
Since neither the CofE nor the EU were built by the English, the reference is isolated and purely incidental.
71.173.11.117 ( talk) 18:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps it can be modified, or provided with a caption in its use here, to say whether there is yellow shading. -- 140.247.136.82 ( talk) 18:10, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Cimmerian praetor: The article implies that Vatican City has been excluded from membership of the CoE because it is a "theocracy". Firstly, one should question whether "Theocracy" is the best descriptor for the rather unique governmental system of Vatican City. At that article, the lead describes it as an "Ecclesiastical" state or a "Sacerdotal-Monarchical" state. In the infobox, the term "elective theocracy" is given as the final descriptor, but note the modifier. Secondly and more importantly, is there any evidence or source to support the idea that Vatican City has been excluded from the CoE due to a lack of democratic structures? One wonders how democratic a nation must be when Russia, Armenia, Liechtenstein and Azerbaijan (currently holding the presidency) are all members. I generally don't insist on everything being referenced when the assertion seems likely to be true, but this is not the case here. I doubt the CoE would actually object to Vatican City's constitutional structure. I also suspect that due to the unique nature of Vatican City, it has little need to participate in many international organisations, and relatively few resources to do so. Given these common-sense considerations, I think it's abundantly necessary that this statement be supported by a reference. Gabrielthursday ( talk) 06:26, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The flag of Europe is indeed the official flag of the Council of Europe (CoE). The problem is that, flag of europe are more known for its use by the European Union (EU), as a result, its use in the infobox of the Council of Europe confuse (me, in the past and others, for that reason the CoE has logo with "e") which is not desired by the directive. Good, then, is the flag of europe only exist in a similar conceptual framework within the Council of Europe article (the link of logo within infobox) to avoid confusion and the informations listed smoothly. -- IM-yb ( talk) 00:29, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Given the string of recent disruptive edits, I would like to emphasize that Council of Europe "flag" and "logo" are two different things - they are both official CoE symbols but serve a different purpose. Although the presence of the flag may cause some to confuse CoE with the EU, the reality is that we cannot purge official CoE symbols from Wikipedia just because it confuses you. The issue with the shared nature of said symbols is more than adequately explained in the very first paragraph and also has its own dedicated section further down the article. I think we can expect our readers to actually, um, read?!-- Damianmx ( talk) 20:32, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I am amazed that 68 full years after its creation the CoE would still have no rule on how to sack one of its governing members after a vote of non confidence and several calls to resign, but here you go: (about Pedro Agramunt's ill-advised and ill-timed journey to Syria) Ausbügeln kann diesen Fehler nur der Präsident selbst und zwar mit einem Rücktritt, denn über Regeln, ihn des Amtes zu entheben, verfügt der Europarat im Augenblick noch nicht [only the President himself can right this wrong, by resigning, because the Council of Europe doesn't have, for the moment, any rule about relieving him of his duties], Deutschlandfunk, 27 June 2017.-- Edelseider ( talk) 17:13, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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I believe that a section should definitely be added to reflect Russia's voting suspension at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council, as this is an element of importance. -- DeeM28 ( talk) 06:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
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Should we add the British Overseas Territories into infobox and page in general? (For example; Falkland Islands, Akrotiri, Dhekelia etc.) 176.227.44.104 ( talk) 17:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Russia has been suspended from the Council of Europe due to the ongoing invasion of Ukraine. I do not know how to edit the map so I will leave this message here. (If the invasion is over by the time someone sees this, they were suspended around 17:00 in UK time.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ILikeMountains ( talk • contribs) 19:04, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Russia has withdrawn from the Council so I've updated the map. Skycloud86 ( talk) 17:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
fyi: www.coe.int: Council of Europe leaders make joint statement on the exclusion of the Russian Federation from the Council of Europe -- Präziser ( talk) 06:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, the Euler diagram for the CoE needs updating to reflect Russia leaving it. I have no idea how to edit it's formatting, so if anyone does that would be grand. Jamzze ( talk) 15:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I didn't edit this because I saw there's a small edit war going on, so I'd rather ask the people who are active right now. @ Cactusn.3, Chris Archer, NaviNews, Skycloud86, and Archives908:. There's a few mentions of "46 members" around the article, including in the first paragraph and the infobox:
Founded in 1949, it has 46 member states
I'd like to know what we should do because I haven't seen any of the editors involved correct this number yet. Reuters (I just updated Current Events) said Russia withdrew from CoE voluntarily. Tetizeraz - (talk page) 20:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I know that there are statements in some versions of the article stating that Greece and Turkey both joined in 1949, but there are sources cited which claim that Turkey didn't actually join until 1950, after Iceland had joined. Does anybody have an explanation for this discrepancy? Fabrickator ( talk) 23:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Evidently the Rollback button doesn't allow for an edit summary (mea culpa; re-noted for the future), so I'm putting my justification of my rollback of the IP user @ 213.52.58.244's hatnote change here.
Hence my rollback. Cybercobra (talk) 00:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Noticed that the paragraph on the Secretary General's role cites the name of a previous SG : "The Secretary General, who is elected for a term of five years by the PACE and heads the Secretariat of the Council of Europe. Thorbjørn Jagland, the former Prime Minister of Norway, was elected Secretary General of the Council of Europe on 29 September 2009. In June 2014, he became the first Secretary General to be re-elected, commencing his second term in office on 1 October 2014."
The link to and the text of the article on the SG itself indicates the current SG.
Alternatively, "Marija Pejčinović Burić, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign and European Affairs, was elected Secretary General of the Council of Europe on 26 June 2019. Her term began on 18 September 2019." SLobey ( talk) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)