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Reference 4 is completely inappropriate, as it does NOT present conviction rates at all.
Woah! You can't just strike out the previous sourced statistic of 97 % conviction rate and change it with some podcast, were some lawyer says it is 67, can you? Maybe at least leave both sources for observation? 185.65.134.169 ( talk) 10:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if the reference " https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/carlos-ghosn-and-japans-99-conviction-rate/ should be allowed because it doesn't appear correct. The article talks about how most Japanese cases don't bring an indictment and how the US uses plea bargains in kind of the same way(although prosecutors in the US also don't take cases to trial and those cases don't count towards conviction rates either)
"Japan’s often-cited conviction rate of over 99 percent is a percentage of all prosecuted cases, not just contested cases. It is eye-catching, but misleading, since it counts as convictions those cases in which defendants pleaded guilty. If the U.S. conviction rate were calculated in a similar manner it would also exceed 99 percent since so few cases are contested at trial (in FY 2018 only 320 of the total number of 79,704 federal defendants were acquitted at trial)."
But in the US plea bargins are still counted towards conviction rates https://www.britannica.com/topic/plea-bargaining/Benefits-of-plea-bargaining it's even talked about on the plea bargain wikipedia page /info/en/?search=Plea_bargain
He also doesn't give any clue how he got to the 99% the US, other than federal numbers which aren't the same as overall numbers would be at so I thought I should bring it up here. It reads off like someone had an opinion they put in.
I also don't get the point of the sentence in US part "That said, the ostensible "conviction rate" may not be accurate because the charges are dropped." Because if the person isn't being charged with a crime any longer, and there isn't a result to the trial or a plea bargin then yeah it doesn't count. It just feels like a snide remark with the quotes instead of just giving facts.
Weaponizedwombat ( talk) 08:41, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Weaponizedwombat
Reference 20 (BJS Staff. "FAQ Detail: What is the probability of conviction for felony defendants?". Bureau of Justice Statistics. Retrieved 21 January 2020.) is broken. It links to a Bureau of Justice Statistics page that contains no relevant information. I also can't find it by searching the title of the FAQ question, nor can I find it by looking through the general FAQ section. Maybe it moved or there's an archive of it somewhere?
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Reference 4 is completely inappropriate, as it does NOT present conviction rates at all.
Woah! You can't just strike out the previous sourced statistic of 97 % conviction rate and change it with some podcast, were some lawyer says it is 67, can you? Maybe at least leave both sources for observation? 185.65.134.169 ( talk) 10:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if the reference " https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/carlos-ghosn-and-japans-99-conviction-rate/ should be allowed because it doesn't appear correct. The article talks about how most Japanese cases don't bring an indictment and how the US uses plea bargains in kind of the same way(although prosecutors in the US also don't take cases to trial and those cases don't count towards conviction rates either)
"Japan’s often-cited conviction rate of over 99 percent is a percentage of all prosecuted cases, not just contested cases. It is eye-catching, but misleading, since it counts as convictions those cases in which defendants pleaded guilty. If the U.S. conviction rate were calculated in a similar manner it would also exceed 99 percent since so few cases are contested at trial (in FY 2018 only 320 of the total number of 79,704 federal defendants were acquitted at trial)."
But in the US plea bargins are still counted towards conviction rates https://www.britannica.com/topic/plea-bargaining/Benefits-of-plea-bargaining it's even talked about on the plea bargain wikipedia page /info/en/?search=Plea_bargain
He also doesn't give any clue how he got to the 99% the US, other than federal numbers which aren't the same as overall numbers would be at so I thought I should bring it up here. It reads off like someone had an opinion they put in.
I also don't get the point of the sentence in US part "That said, the ostensible "conviction rate" may not be accurate because the charges are dropped." Because if the person isn't being charged with a crime any longer, and there isn't a result to the trial or a plea bargin then yeah it doesn't count. It just feels like a snide remark with the quotes instead of just giving facts.
Weaponizedwombat ( talk) 08:41, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Weaponizedwombat
Reference 20 (BJS Staff. "FAQ Detail: What is the probability of conviction for felony defendants?". Bureau of Justice Statistics. Retrieved 21 January 2020.) is broken. It links to a Bureau of Justice Statistics page that contains no relevant information. I also can't find it by searching the title of the FAQ question, nor can I find it by looking through the general FAQ section. Maybe it moved or there's an archive of it somewhere?