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Whenever an update is made to the map module, it takes a certain amount of time for the change to show up on the module document or the template. I have tried refreshing the page and clearing the cache multiple times, but I'm still not getting updates for the actual maps until I've waited for several hours. Does anyone know how to fix this bug, if that's possible? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Here reliable source said that the SAA captured the city of Shaykh Miskin. here But other reliable sources Al Masdar said that the SAA captured 95% of Shaykh Miskin. here but Al Jazeera said that the SAA captured most of the city of Sheikh Maskin. here Sûriyeya ( talk) 19:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
[3] What towns are in these areas, and are Sawda and Abd places on our map? I ask this because they may just be regions of Hasakah, but they could be settlements on the map, although I cannot find them (they may be spelt differently on ou map, however). Apparently, IS have advanced in this place according to SOHR, so we should mark them as contested if they are marked on our map. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I found two "Sawda" in Hasakah province marked on the map...one is Ruhayyah as Sawda between Qamishli and Tal Hamis, in an area marked as SAA-controlled, and sure it is not our case because source talked about southern Hasakhah countryside; the another one is Khirbat as Sawda, a small village North-West of al Shaddadi in an area already marked in black and apparently not immediately on the frontline between IS and SDF...maybe did previously SDF manage to arrive in its outskirts? Fab8405 ( talk) 13:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Opp. source Qasion news reported about clashes between Ahrar Alsham and Al Nusra in the city of Salqin in countryside of Idlib. And that the Ahrar Al-Sham movement seize over the town of Harem in countryside of Idlib after clashes with Al Nusra. here here But source which provide these data support both these groups Anhar al Sham and Al Nusra. So that as you think we can use this source in thise situation or not. Sûriyeya ( talk) 14:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
If the source is pro-Nusra and pro-Ahrar, then it is, for all effects and purposes on this map, a neutral source, which we can use to report advances for either side. If the clashes are in Salqin, then we can mark it as rebel-nusra contested. If Harem is reported to have been taken by Ahrar, the we can mark it as rebel-held. Not to POV push but I am surprised that the components of Jaish al-Fateh - the two most Islamist parts, in fact - are having such major battles in their heartlands, especially when they are on the verge of being pushed completely out of Latakia.
Where are the rebels actually fighting against Nusra in Daraa? I know they said they would, but SOHR have not reported any deaths by fighting between those factions. If you can find any sources showing where they are fighting each other, please put them here and we can mark the areas as rebel-Nusra contested.
I don't know how we are going to do rebel-rebel contested, but it clearly needs to be done in future. Maybe we should introduce a different shade of green that is only used when rebels are fighting rebels in an area, e.g. dark green? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I see you have already made the changes in Salqin and Idlib. Sorry for not responding to this sooner! PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:11, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
LightandDark2000 I'll keep that in mind, thanks. To be fair, hardliners can have infighting too, as can moderates. Ahrar are pretty hardline, by all accounts, compared to most rebel groups. In fact, they're frequently cited as the most hardline group that's not Al Qaeda or IS-linked. Maybe blue would work, as a marker for Factional Infighting? E.g. if rebels fought amongst themselves, or (really unlikely but could happen) different pro-government militias clashed over a dispute about which side administers the rule of a certain town, etc. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree. We can leave it as green-grey for now, although if it starts to become a more widespread phenomenon (I don't expect it to, but it might) we should use green-blue to designate internal conflict. Some of these clashes just strike me as People's Front of Judea versus Judean People's Front, and it doesn't really make much sense for the rebels to engage in infighting when they're losing ground to the SAA on most fronts. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 14:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
SOHR mention Sa'en in eastern Hama as uder attack from SAA. On our map I found Soha in a compatible position. Is it the same? In an old post SOHR2014 mentions 'the village of Soha in the township of al- Sa’en'. If it is correct it should get at least a red semiring. Paolowalter ( talk) 22:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
The village of Samadaniyah al-Sharqi (East Al-Samdaniyah) in Quneitra SAA-held according to Opp.sources. here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 21:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
The big Syrian conflict map ( /info/en/?search=Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War) has far more villages coded as being under control of one faction or another, but the table of data below is limited and does not encompass the each attribute listed on the map.
Is this data stored anywhere for others to access? JohnStud85 ( talk)
As territory changes hands in East Aleppo, please link to the East Aleppo offensive [4] rather than the Kuweires offensive page, as the Kuweires offensive finished in November 2015. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 14:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
As noted recently by
LightandDark2000, there are problems with the mobile version. I'm not sure if I managed to fix the loading problem that LightandDark2000 had, but there were other bad issues. Namely:
There may be other mobile problems. Deuar ( talk) 16:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
The mobile version of Wikipedia has loads of problems when it comes to module maps. However, switching to the Desktop Version (on mobile devices) solves the sizing problem. Unfortunately, there is that huge loading/freezing problem that comes whenever I tried viewing any module map linked to the Syria map on my smartphone. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 06:47, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I have quite a big collection of bookmarks with information about situation on frontline, but I can't find all those villages without outside help. So, I will just list them here hoping that someone can find the villages and add them on map. I will leave out known villages and replace them with "...".
Yes, I know some of this articles are quite old, but, for example, in Suweida, front didn't move since then.
Status | Link | Date | Area | Locations | News |
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Done | sana.sy | Oct 25 2015 | NE Suweida | Khirbet Saada | An army unit, in cooperation with the popular defense groups, targeted fortifications for ISIS terrorists in Khirbet Saada in the northeastern countryside of the southern Sweida province. |
Done | sana.sy | Oct 27 2015 | NE Suweida | al Asheihib al-Shamali | An army unit, in cooperation with popular defense groups, targeted a vehicle for ISIS terrorists in Tal Asheihib al-Shamali area in the countryside of the southern Sweida province. |
Done | sana.sy | Nov 1 2015 | SW Suweida/Dara | Kherbet al-Ghoutha | An army unit, in cooperation with the popular defense groups, targeted terrorist organizations’ gatherings and dens in Kherbet al-Ghoutha in the southwestern countryside of Sweida province |
Not done | sana.sy | Nov 10 2015 | N and E Homs | al-Shumaryeh, Mahras al-Deik, al-Zabadi, al-Amryeh | army also targeted hideoust for ISIS and Jabhet al-Nusra in al-Shumaryeh, al-Hilalyeh, Mahras al-Deik, al-Zabadi, al-Amryeh and Ein Hussein... |
Done | Syria 24 English | Nov 12 2015 | NE Suweida | Tal Asheihib( Tall Ushayhib) | An army unit targeted against a gathering of ISIS terrorists in Tal Asheihib area in the northeastern countryside of the southern Sweida province. |
Not done | Al Masdar | Nov 16 2015 | Palmyra | Al-Tamtheel, Al-Kassarat | With the capture of Al-Bayarat on Saturday, the Syrian Arab Army’s 67th Brigade and their allies shifted their attention to the villages of Al-Tamtheel and Al-Kassarat that are located just west of Palmyra. |
Done | syriahr.com | Nov 18 2015 | NE Daraa | al-Mdora | Clashes took place between members of the “Islamic State” against the rebel and Islamic Factions in the vicinity of al-Mdora village in the NE countryside of Daraa |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | Hama | Umm Tuwaynah | Army units, in cooperation with popular defense groups, established full control on Um Twenih village in Hama countryside |
Not done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | NE of Salamiyeh | al-Maakar al-Shamali | An army unit fired on movements of vehicle convoys for ISIS in al-Maakar al-Shamali village, northeast of Salamiyeh |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | NE Hama | al-Rahajan | army operation against an ISIS site in al-Rahajan village, 95 km northeast of Hama city |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | E of Salamiyeh | Qleib al-Thour | against ISIS movements and hideouts in Qleib al-Thour village in the eastern countryside of Salamiyeh |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | Palmyra | al-Sukhneh | destroying their vehicles and equipment in al-Sukhneh, east of Palmyra |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 17 2015 | E Homs | Wadi al-Zakara | ISIS terrorists were killed and their weapons destroyed in Wadi al-Zakara ... and on al-Salamieh –Ain al-Nesser road |
Not done | sana.sy | Dec 20 2015 | N Homs | al-Mashjar al-Janoubi | The army also destroyed bases and hotbeds of Jabhat al-Nusra and other terrorist groups in the villages of ... al-Mashjar al-Janoubi north of Homs city. |
Not done | sana.sy | Dec 21 2015 | Palmyra | al-Sharifa, Ghunaiman, Tafha and Ghziyl | ...air force also carried out strikes against ... ISIS terrorists in the surroundings of al-Sharifa village in the countryside of Palmyra, and in the villages of Ghunaiman, Tafha and Ghziyla in the eastern countryside |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 22 2015 | Mahin | al-Hazm, Dahret al-Dukkan, Duhour al-Khzeimiyeh | Centers and vehicles for ISIS terrorists were destroyed in ... al-Hazm, ..., Dahret al-Dukkan, Duhour al-Khzeimiyeh in the SE countryside of the central Homs province |
Not done | Al Masdar | Dec 25 2015 | Mahin | Wadi Hassaan Al-Kabeer, Wadi Hassaan Al-Sagheer, Wadi Al-Khadra, and Najmit Khadra | ... capturing more sites from the terrorist group near the strategic town of Maheen; these sites included the hilltops of Wadi Hassaan Al-Kabeer, Wadi Hassaan Al-Sagheer, Wadi Al-Khadra, and Najmit Khadra |
Not done | Al Masdar | Dec 27 2015 | S of Kobane | Al-Shalash, Al-Khabar, Bur Shmaal, Bur Bakkar, ‘Abd-Kileye, Tal Al-Binat, Khashkash Al-Sagheer, Khashkash Al-Kabeer, and Al-Waysi | YPG captured several villages from the terrorist group in the Al-Raqqa Governorate’s western countryside, including Al-Shalash, Al-Khabar, Bur Shmaal, Bur Bakkar, ‘Abd-Kileye, Tal Al-Binat, Khashkash Al-Sagheer, Khashkash Al-Kabeer, and Al-Waysi |
Done | Syria 24 English | Dec 29 2015 | E Hama | Tloul al-Homer, Jeb al-Rihan, al-Rahajan, Uqayribat | ...army air force targeted the ISIS hideouts, gatherings, movement axes and supply routes in the villages of Tloul al-Homer, Jeb al-Rihan, al-Rahajan and east of Eqarbat in Salamiyeh countryside |
Not done | Jan 2 2016 | Tishrin Dam | Bir Khami, Tal Baroud, Bir Khaddam | SDF has taken Bir Khami, Tal Baroud, Bir Khaddam from ISIS on the west bank of the river | |
Done | syriahr.com | Jan 9 2016 | N Homs | al-Sa’en al-Aswad | The regime forces bombed ... village of al-Sa’en al-Aswad in the northern countryside of Homs |
Done | Fars news | Jan 17 2016 | NE Suweida | Asheihib(Ushayhib) | The ISIL concentration centers near Ashayhib village came under massive attack of the Syrian... |
Done | sana.sy | Jan 19 2016 | al-Bab | al-Jaberiyeh Afash Abu Danneh | supply routes for ISIS from Raqqa through the villages of al-Jaberiyeh, Afash and Abu Danneh in the eastern countryside of Aleppo. |
Done | sana.sy | Jan 24 2016 | N Latakia | al-Tefahiya, Hilwa al-Gharbiya, Hilwa al-Sharqiya, Tal Asholan | [SAA]... established control over the villages of al-Tefahiya, Hilwa al-Gharbiya, Hilwa al-Sharqiya, ... Tal Asholan along with all the hills surrounding them in Lattakia’s northern countryside. |
Not done | [5] | January 27 2016 | Jabal Al Akrad/Latakia | Point 361 | ...the Syrian Arab Army's 103rd Brigade and their allies seized Duwayrakah, Point 361, Jabal Al-Mulqa, Ruweisat Al-Mu'alaqah, Al-Muzayra'ah and 'Uwayhat... |
Not done | [6] | January 27 2016 | Jabal Al Akrad/Latakia | Jabal Al-Mulqa (or Jabal al-Malka [7]) | ...the Syrian Arab Army's 103rd Brigade and their allies seized Duwayrakah, Point 361, Jabal Al-Mulqa, Ruweisat Al-Mu'alaqah, Al-Muzayra'ah and 'Uwayhat... |
Not done | [8] | January 27 2016 | Jabal Al Akrad/Latkia | Ruweist Al-Mu'alaqah (or Roisit al-Malaka [9]) | ...the Syrian Arab Army's 103rd Brigade and their allies seized Duwayrakah, Point 361, Jabal Al-Mulqa, Ruweisat Al-Mu'alaqah, Al-Muzayra'ah and 'Uwayhat... |
If You manage to find a village and add it to map, please mark the row to "done". If You find the village, regardless of what You do with the news, please add link to wikimapia to each found point in "Location" column. -- Hogg 22 ( talk) 13:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
It might not count for much, but when I searched the places that have not yet been added to our map on Wikimapia, I got no results for them (except that something with a similar name to one supposed to be Palmyra was actually in Suweida province). It is possible that these places with different names are either abandoned or that they are other places already on our map, the names of which have been misspelt (perhaps to a significant degree) by the writers reporting on them. These 'new' villages might just be misprints and typos. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Adding areas in Latakia I couldn't find on Wikimapia, even when I looked very closely at each poit on the map. Is Al Muzayra'ah an alternative spelling for Al Mazra'ah? If so, we have found Al Muzayra'ah. [10] PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Added Kherbet al-Goutha. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:37, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
[11] Doarkh - is this Duwayrikah? If not, we need to find this too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 11:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. What about Al Muazyra'ah? Is Al Muzayra'ah an alternative spelling for Al Mazra'ah? If so, we can remove it from this list as Al Mazra'ah is already on the map here. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I think Al Muzayra'ah is alternative for Al Mazra'ah, so I'm removing it from the list. Plus, Al Hilalyeh is an alternative spelling for Al Hilaliyah, which we have on our map already, so I've removed that, too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:14, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Ein Hussein is Ayn Husayn, and is also already on our map, so I've removed that from the list, too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:18, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
We are not supposed to use other maps for our sources under normal circumstances, but Al Masdar's map [12]clearly indicates that Um Arkilah is under IS control (not SAA control, unlike on our map). Should we change this back, or wait for another source to confirm who controls it? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Kelez in Northern Latakia is captured. Source: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-advances-near-turkish-border-nuwarah-village-seized/ MesmerMe ( talk) 13:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Al-Buwaydah is contested per Al-Masdar [ [13]]. Expect more developments on this front after rebels announced an offensive yesterday. 91.85.60.235 ( talk) 12:41, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The left red army base icon north of Nasiriya AFB, east of An-Nabek is Brigade 128, so please add this. Especially important now with the new acitivities there.
Source: http://wikimapia.org/24863947/Brigade-128 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.211.250.79 ( talk) 13:56, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Has this village in west Hama been taken by greens from reds ? Also more villages have been added green in the same area do we have a source for these changes . 86.178.102.49 ( talk) 15:55, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Dear coleagues, I have noticed the following edits: [14] [15] that removed villages near Aleppo just because there's a "detailed" map in the same are. I'm sure that these edits made the map less informative, less useful to the reader.
These "detailed" maps are hard to explore (they don't contain names of most villages) and they are changed with a serious delay (days at least, while that main map is updated within hours or evern minutes after the respective news). Therefore, I'm sure that the "detailed" maps can't substitute the main map.
So I propose to put towns and villages marks on the main map, no matter if they are within the area of a "detailed" map or not. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 19:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I agree, I'm going to put the dots back on. We only remove them once a city is no longer contested - this has been our policy so far. However, we only use dots for neighbourhoots such as Al-Bohgaliyeh when they are contested - otherwise, reserve them for towns on the outskirts. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Is this allowed? [Rebel confirm loss of Duwayr Al-Zaytoun and Tell Jibbin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp0_dz5WAUI] Now, I haven't actually watched the video, but if it is confirmed by rebels not under duress, then this is technically a pro-rebel source. Still, given that it could easily be faked, it is highly unreliabe anyway. Should we even be prepared to use this for pro-SAA advances, given that it's youtube? I have serious misgivings about doing so, but I'll defer to the judgement of other editors on this matter if you think otherwise. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I think it's highly unlickely, that the rebel still have control of these two, well i wouldn't even call them villages. I know, that without reports, we don't do changes, but i just wanted to point this out.
It is probably fair to remove them altogether. Paolowalter ( talk) 17:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Reliable reporter also shows this area as under Rebel control. DuckZz ( talk) 00:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
The same goes for the other areas not completely surrounded by SAA that are also small. If it's a large town or an army base/airport, its capture would have been reported widely if it had happened (e.g. Battalion 559). Given that this didn't happen, it's safe to presume that it has not been recaptured. Moreover, it is unclear who would control these areas, if not the rebels, so we should leave them as rebel for now. Take the rebel presence in Homs province. Would we reassign those places to IS or the regime? I think the rebels still control them, but we'd have to decide which of the other two did if we dismissed the rebels in these areas, and we would need sources for that. I think it's probably best to leave rebel-held areas as rebel-held for now, unless they are small villages surrounded by only one force (e.g. Murayghil surrounded by IS, or Sharan in Lataia with the SAA) for quite some time.
Are we agreed on this matter? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Plus I think we should edit back in Battalion 559 and Abu Shamat. Just because we have not heard from them in a while does not mean that we should assume that the rebels probably no longer control them to the extent that the colour of their icons is in such doubt that they should be removed form the map entirely - 559 is an army base, its capture would be reported so we can presume it's still rebel held. Abu Shamat's capture would probably be reported alongside it, so we can keep it on the map, too. If we remove them, do we just leave the rebel presence in Homs marker still up? It makes little sense to do so. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I think Battalion 559 is big enough to have any capture by the SAA or IS reported, so we should presume it is still rebel-held for now, and if we are going to comment it out, we should probably comment out the rural presence in Homs province too of the rebels, because if 559 and Kahn Abou Shamat is gone, then that presence has probably gone away, too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Tradedia talk We have luck lol. Reliable reporter says he will soon publish a map for the region of Eeastern Qalamoun. As far as I know, the last map for this area is published 2 years ago ? The map will probably make some things clear. DuckZz ( talk) 20:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I was unaware of this. I agree they should be commented out if the original source we used to mark control was that unclear. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 08:03, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Despite Bayanoun being contested, it may stil be possible for rebels to hold positions from which to besiege Al Zahraa and its industrial area. Consequently, shouldn't we leave the siege arcs up for now, until/unless Bayanoun is fully taken by the SAA? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 11:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I've done that now. Thanks for putting the semicircle north of the industrial area. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:02, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
How and why are there Kurdish forces northeast of al Zahraa? They'd be completely encircled by the rebels and the SAA. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
If you do not know how or why they are there, I suggest you stop editing the map you know little about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.232.102 ( talk) 18:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I know plenty about this map, please stop being rude, and I do not see how Kurdish forces (presumably from Afrin canton) could have got between Al Zahraa and the clearly rebel-held towns to its northeast. There is little strategic value to having troops there unless they wanted to take Al Zahraa, but their main frontlines are far away from that town for now. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 08:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Hardatin should be Hrdatnin. Ihras is under the al-Nusra control, not the so-called moderate green dots.-- Spetsnaz1991 ( talk) 04:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Not only are there multiple villages on our map using both of these names, they also seem to be mixed up. Moreover, one of the al-Khalidiyahs links to the Aleppo offensive, but is in Hama. We have really messed this up and need to fix it, but for now I will focus on marking the Aleppo one in the correct colour. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
No, when I marked Al-Khalidiyah as rebel-held, this showed up for a place in Hama, not Aleppo, despite linking to the Aleppo offensive. I think someone has mixed up the coordinated of Kulayriyah and Kahlidiyah, and there are multiple copies of each village in different places on the map anyway. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki (over 5000 members)the one of most powerful rebel groups in Aleppo which once received weapons from the US has begun to withdraw from the city of Aleppo for lack of of foreign military support. Also only a day before, the Al-Nusra held a massive show of force in Aleppo, driving a convoy of over 200 vehicles through Aleppo before reinforcing its positions to ostensibly face a regime offensive, although activists have expressed their doubt over Islamist group’s intentions. source Sûriyeya ( talk) 14:08, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
With articles like this appearing more and more [17], we should be extra vigilant. As I expected, the rebels are losing ground quickly in northern Aleppo now that they have lost their supply lines to Idlib - we will need to make sure to update territorial changes in spite of the fact that some of them may be unclear due to the rapid rate at which they occur and are reported. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
According to reliable source. ISIS controls some area SE of Damascus. We have a large blank spot SE of Damascus, so it would make sense to add something there. But where is this ? DuckZz ( talk) 23:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
If you can name the locations, I'll find them on wikimapia and mark them as IS-held. Even just the outermost locations will do. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I think this is it. There's also a crossroad just north of it. DuckZz ( talk) 11:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Please, lets be serious. A tweet from a self-declared activist AINT a reliable source, I suppose that everyone here know that...-- HC PUNXKID 14:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
BosnjoBoy has been agreed to be reliable by experienced editors of this map. Obviously, not reliable for the advances of the side they support, but otherwise we can use their updates for our mpap. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Thirdly but not last, perhaps you dont remember this:
WP:RS: “Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources.” Source: Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources
or this:
"WP:TWITTER": Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; it does not involve claims about third parties; it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; the article is not based primarily on such sources.
This policy also applies to material published by the subject on social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, and Facebook.-- HC PUNXKID 10:03, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
You want consensus? Fine. Ask any other editor here - most will say yes. Bosnjoboy has been used for multiple sides by multiple editors for this page. You can check the history of edits if you want.
Secondly, just because we use a source does not mean that we are giving it the same credibility as one of these world renowned reporters you speak of. It's simply that we consider the source reliable enough to use for updates - it passes our required benchmark. Whether you find that ridiculous or not is a matter for you.
About your third point - key word there: "Largely." There are clear exceptions, such as this one, and this fact is supported by the other wikipedia rule regarding twitter that you provide, which specifically sanctions the use of twitter under certain criteria. Bosnjoboy meets these criteria, as agreed by most editors here (all barring yourself, of what I've seen so far) and for now we consider him a legitimate source to use.
Social media, when used responsibly and carefully, can be a very useful source for map updates. It is neither practical nor reasonable to dismiss it out of hand. Therefore, I will revert that edit. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 11:03, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
There were at least 2 discussions about various twitter sources, back in 2014 and last year. In both sections, this source (Bosno Sinj) is said to be reliable and can be used with no problem. We are using him for 2 years at least and I have no seen any mistake so far. As I can see he is not writing much, and is not retweeting or writing what others do. His reports are a bit different and mostly uknown to other activits from twitter. For example I had no idea that rebels control that much teritory in north Raqqa, or that Mahaja town in Daraa province is under truce. It's like we're using Leith Fadel from twitter, he basically writes a tweet every 2 minutes. 31.176.254.105 ( talk) 15:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Reliable sources SOHR and Al Masdar confirmed that the SAA captured the town of Atman in Darra. here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 07:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
According to opp.sources condirmed that SAA captured village Mayer near Al Zahra. here here here here here and YPG captured villages Ziyarah and Khuraybah here Sûriyeya ( talk) 12:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Any pro-Gov. sources saying this yet ? 86.135.155.210 ( talk) 16:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-for-northern-aleppo-heats-up-as-islamist-rebels-counter-syrian-army-gains/ Same thing for Deit Jamal http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/27364/ sill contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi mate i have noticed in the past you have made changes to city maps is there any chance you can update Damascus as it is very behind and as the capitol city lets the whole map down . 86.135.155.210 ( talk) 20:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Doing awesome work would have been updating the map when it needed to be, ( Personal attack removed) is not going to make someone who does not want to show SAA advancements in reality, last time this ( Personal attack removed) updated the map of Aleppo he made serious errors same with the last time he updated Damascuss made Daryya 3 time bigger than what it really is (rebel held) and totally messed it up to make it seem as if the terrorists were gaining when the opposite was true this map is so wrong in the following areas: Aleppo, Deir Ez Zoir, Damascus. Where it happens most of the fighting is taking, place this map is a joke. Better maps now exist that are updated daily in the main cities, by unbiased non-ISIS terrorists supporters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.239.30 ( talk) 16:17, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Eib and Sharah, located in on the western outskirts of the Lajat area in Eastern Darraa, shoulb be moved slightly to the east. My reasoning is that the two towns are depicted as being on the main supply route between Darra and Damascus, while this most certainly is not the case. This is also the case with the other view dots north of Eib. But since I am not skilled to do so, could somebody make these changes for me? Source: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.055292&lon=36.311531&z=12&m=b&show=/16766603/Eib&search=Eib MesmerMe ( talk) 17:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
The town 'Alma too! location is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.144.205.88 ( talk) 13:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Is is true http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ibtaa-and-dael-surrender-to-the-government/ that Ibtaa and Dael surrender? Paolowalter ( talk) 08:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
That's again me, everyday watcher at this template, and now I have noticed one strange correction in the map, that is not really true.
Firstly, I would say that I'm relying on Wikimapia data.
Then the matter; and the matter is that Uwaynat town, that is 1-2 km west from the as-Sin town (both in eastern Aleppo) (
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ru&lat=36.178900&lon=37.459259&z=12&m=b&show=/34534697/Al-Uwaynat), has strangely dissapeared from its actual location. I'm following not only eastern Aleppo agenda, also Latakia one, and what I saw - now, after someone's machinations, the town named Abyan (rebel-held near the frontline on the Latakia - Aleppo highway) (
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ru&lat=35.744562&lon=36.114120&z=13&m=b&show=/34158523/Abin), now has received the name of... Uwaynat.
That's funny, people, I love you for that joke, but it seems to me (according to Wikimapia) that it is a mistake and it should be corrected (reestablish Uwaynat on the map and return Abyan its actual name).
Best wishes for you, taqbir, Allahwakbar, and so on ^_^. — Preceding
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village Bashurah in Latakia taken SAA according to reliable soures Al Masdar and SOHR. here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 09:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
According to SOHR,Al Masdar and France 24 the village of Al Ta'ana taken SAA from ISIS. here here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 09:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
According to pro-SAA Al-Masdar News, YPG takes full control of Deir Jamal in northern Aleppo. Source. Kordestani ( talk) 01:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
The city maps here are severely behind in the current situation, Damascus map looked as it did one year ago, why no update, plenty of updates when terrorists made gains this time last year everyday it could be updated now it is not??? Same with Aleppo looks the same now for over 10 months when there has been major advances in and around the city again here when terrorists made gains this map was updated everyday but since SAA made gains no update. This map is a joke, you can't even update the most vital areas, and idiots who have no knowledge of the history of the conflict now update this map not knowing much else but how to copy and paste and repeat the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.99.56 ( talk) 09:20, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
ANHA reports that YPG has repelled an ISIS attack on the village of Qadiriyah east of Tishrin dam. http://hawarnews.com/ypg-%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%A8%D8%B7-%D9%87%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8B-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%B2%D9%82%D8%A9/ The village is wrongly marked black on the map. Should be yellow. Roboskiye ( talk) 12:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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Al sin is now controlled by the Syrian Army. the line: { lat = "36.23", long = "37.411", mark = "Location dot black.svg", marksize = "5", label = " Al-Sin", label_size = "0" }, should be changed to: { lat = "36.23", long = "37.411", mark = "Location dot red.svg", marksize = "5", label = " Al-Sin", label_size = "0" }, source: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/694846914056077312
KokoroXIII ( talk) 12:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-russian-fm-stop-airstrikes-36682496
End of battle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.193.1.32 ( talk) 15:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
SOHR and Al Masdar claim that the SAA captured four villages including Ruwaisat and Swedish(Al-Hawr, Al-Ruweisat, Al-Sweida, and Wad Al-‘Zaraq). here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 17:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
for rebels against kurds source say YPG capture FSA village: https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/696818924755750912
this village should be shown on map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:8301:8D74:1DB4:BFDC:1999:782E ( talk) 23:49, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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There are few errors that made by fanatics, we have to correct them Vieragt ( talk) 13:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think we should judge the characters of map editors as 'fanatics'. What errors do you think have been made? Point them out here and we can discuss whether they need to be corrected or not. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:56, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
SOHR said that the truce between the Syrian army and the elders of the town Abtaa and army stop bombing and the release of detainees the introduction of food and medical supplies of daily life to the town, in return for lifting Syria's current flag is internationally recognized, the government official circles in the town. Also SOHR said that a similar agreement will be between the regime and the elders of the city Da'el on the same conditions. here Sûriyeya ( talk) 11:00, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
The agreement eventually means surrender unconditionally. A limited amount of SAA will enter both cities to ensure the transition of the towns back into government hands
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ibtaa-and-dael-surrender-to-the-government/ | Al-Masdar News This means that SAA eventually will control these cities at the price of no further destruction and bombardement For now it is a truce After the process is complete these cities should be red — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.217.218 ( talk) 11:11, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Al Masdar is still being used a source ? They claimed that Al Waer is fully under Gov. control and that all Rebels left. Why didn't we changed that district to red ? Because everyone else claimed the opposite, including civilians and rebels from inside the town. They also said the same thing for all the other towns which are marked on our map as under truce. DuckZz ( talk) 13:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/syria-rebels-leave-homs-rare-ceasefire-deal-151209153257762.html A prominent anti-Assad source claimed that rebels left Al-Waer...upsss it seems almasdarnews is much more valid than you . Moreover, sohr is way worse thatn any other pro or anti-Assad news netwrok, for the simple reason that it is a 1-man(located in England) 'network'... Moreover, truce according to th map other users made is defined as Government & Opposition stable mixed control (truce)...When SAA forces enter this city...truce will be no more Imho Al-Waer should be marked red, other cities of Daraa Gov. should be labeled as truce till the end of the transitionary period...when they should be red — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.87.206.137 ( talk) 16:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Most mainstream media sources, including the BBC, referred to Al Waer being 'essentially' surrendered to the SAA, but under a truce that expires in a few months. We should leave it as truce-marked until that time period expires, then change it to red. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:58, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
About Abtaa there is contradicting information SOHR at 19:00 9 February states that the truce is established (see also pro-rebelshttps://twitter.com/Serif_Imamagic0/status/697146362920640512), [http:www.almasdarnews.com/article/rebels-refuse-reconciliation-in-dael-and-ibta-civilians-arrested/ AlMasdar] state that the truce was rejected. Anybody has more precise infos? Paolowalter ( talk) 21:08, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kurdish-forces-approach-strategic-airbase-in-northern-aleppo/
https://www.facebook.com/stepnewsagencysy/posts/720445968090688
Neutral and anti-Kurd sources say contested or YPG-held.
AlMasdar reports that Tal ‘Umri, ‘Ezzeldeen, Al-Taba’at, and Al-Mukhram are under SAA control. I found the former two town and turned red. But now the are SW of Salamiyah is mixed red-gray and makes no sense. Any info that could help clarify the situation? I guess that Aydun and Dalak should go red. What do you think? Paolowalter ( talk) 08:26, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I think we should leave them as they are for now. It's possible that the Nusra forces have been split up and cut off from each other in these two towns. However, in a few weeks, if the isolated town is not reported on, change it to red. Btw, I think we underestimated the rebel and Nusra presence in southern Hama and north Homas. AlMasdar This article reports areas being taken that, according to our map, are already deep within SAA-held territory (e.g. Al Mukharam), so we were wrong on that count, and possibly are still wrong when it comes to labelling villages near those places, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PutItOnAMap ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hey, respectful editors, I'm a simple spectator to this Syrian war map, created and updated by all of you, I want to thank you for your really huge work.
My notice is when I looked at the wikimapia map of al-Rastan district, I have found one natural discordance between satellite map and this interactive map you keep: it concerns the flow of Orontes river around the towns of al-Rastan and Talbiseh. In your map, Orontes river surrounds these 2 cities from the east and south, while on satellite map that's not true: al-Rastan is located on the southern banks of some reservoir (it seems that its name is al-Rastan reservoir
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ru&lat=34.902827&lon=36.732101&z=11&m=b&show=/8607402/al-Rastan-Lake), and then Orontes river flows from it to the south, outflanking al-Rastan from the WEST. Moreover, it is a major division, as Orontes divides here two plains - al-Rastan plain and al-Houla plain (then flowing to the south, down to Homs city), and in military reasons, helps rebels to defend this area, as the SAA faces some difficulties with forced crossing of Orontes here (from the northern direction where is Hama and from the western direction where is Kafr Nan).
So, as this feature is a significant point of military situation in this area, I suggest you to check the flow of Orontes, maybe you will find some power and wish to change it to more authentic shape. ^_^
Thank you very much, please don't rage at me, I really appreciate your work, and this is just a little try to help you.
I see what you mean, the river is big in this area and it is a reason why militaries move slow here. However, the Orontes river ('AAsi' in arabic) flows south to north.
It's again me (the author of this tread) ^_^ About direction of Orontes flow - that's my mistake, I thought it flows from the north. But my point was that this river surrounds al-Rastan and Talbiseh from the opposite side (from the west and north, not from the east). Map inaccurately shows the course of river in this area. That what I meant.
YPG have captured Deir Jamal and are closing in on Minakh Airbase hence it would be logical to place a siege icon to show a 'strong presence' according to Al-Masdar [ [18]] 91.85.60.235 ( talk) 10:02, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't use a siege icon unless there is a siege. As the SDF capture more areas near the airport (if they do), then we can mark those places in yellow. This will adequately show their advances, I think. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 14:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Please, have a look on this map. It looks more reliable as there are division between YPG and FSA in North-Eastern Aleppo and Northern Raqqa where it is mentioned that YPG and FSA are controlling that areas together. At current map it is not shown. I guess, it is better to clarify this issue. -- Ліонкінг ( talk) 10:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
The forces working in Raqqa that are not IS fight together as part of the SDF. There are former FSA factions in the SDF, and they work with the YPG, so they share the same icon because they're united by the SDF. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:46, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
From AlMasdar pro-SAA fighters took control of the hospital. Maybe it is just a hit and run attack. Should it be marked somehow? Paolowalter ( talk) 22:45, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
These icons are hard to spot on several different screens I have used. I suggest we change the colour for them specifically to a different shade of yellow, preferably one similar to the colour used for the SDF industrial complex icon. This applies to the military base icon used for the KRG forces in Iraq, too, and other 'yellow-based' forces such as the Kurdish groups in the Turkish insurgency or the Tuareg militias in the Libyan civil war.
What are your opinions on this? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I have made a new icon for the SDF miltiary bases, which I hope is more visible. I'm going to test it here - I'd like your opinions on whether it's better or worse than the old one. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:58, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I have changed the colours of the SDF military bases. Admittedly, they are slightly less visible in Hasakah and Qamishli cities now, but they can still be easily spotted there, and they are much clearer to see outside of the cities now. Still, this is just my opinion. What do you think of it? I can change it back if you want. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 16:05, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: If the colour is the yellowish one used in the SDF/YPG-held industrial complexes, I agree with it. Its still some king of yellow and its clearly more visible.-- HC PUNXKID 21:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
There are a lot of contradicting statements about the situation in the Mennagh Military Airport: AlMasdar hints (without stating it with certainty) that the airport is still controlled by rebels. Also many twitter posting states that e.g. [19] quite reliable and somehow pro-gov. Should we probably put it back to green or contested? And the nearby village? Paolowalter ( talk) 19:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I think we shouyld mark airbase as contested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:8301:8D74:1DB4:BFDC:1999:782E ( talk) 22:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Mennagh Military Airport confirmed as YPG-held per SOHR, AFP & Press TV: http://www.albawaba.com/news/syrian-kurds-capture-strategic-airbase-nusra-militants-804182. Oh, and the report confirms also what everyone informed knows except some WP editors: Mennagh was in Nusra hands, not in FSA, but "curiously" it was painted lime instead of grey. That "curiosity" happens with towns along all the map, I wonder why...-- HC PUNXKID 07:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Anyway, this was not held by Nusra, but by rebels. According to Al Masdar, Ahrar ash-Sham and the FSA were the forces defending it, with no Nusra militants involved at all in the final attempt to take it. [20] PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
'Rebels' cover everything apart from Nusra, SDF and IS (as is the case on our map). IS militants working as a unit of Nusra at the time took the base, so there was a lot of internet interest around that (hence the generation of results).
Your sources may refer to Nusra, but Al Masdar is a reliable source, and it didn't mention Nusra at all. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
And most recently, Fighting Rages In Syria’s Aleppo Amid Ceasefire Talks, and source from today: http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/timing-of-syria-ceasefire-emerges-as-key-sticking-point-between-us-and-russia (Rebels claim that they lost the base to SDF/YPG). LightandDark2000 ( talk) 11:55, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
I turned the base yellow again. SOHR seems out of touch these days. It gibes little info and with days of delay. It is often obsolete and therefore to be used with care e.g. SOHR: the Minagh base was taken by YPG and Kafr Naja by SAA the day before. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:43, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Village Bluzah in south Aleppo is marked as under gov. control even thought Rebels control it. Few weeks ago, SAA captured the village for few hours and rebels recaptured after reinforcements arrived, acc. to SOHR and both pro-gov and rebel sources. Why do I mention Al Masdar ? Simple. I don't know who made the edit, but I can garantee Al Masdar was the sources used. Why ? Because basically, Rebels recaptured the village very quickly that not even SOHR had the time to make an article named "Gov. captured Bluzah" but they only managed to publish the article "Rebel recaptured Bluzah after clashes". Al Masdar published an article basically 6 hours after the event, named "Gov. captured Bluzah". This can't be a mistake, this is donne by purpose and it's called "Propaganda". DuckZz ( talk) 21:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Perhpas this is the 5th ro so time you are trying to make a point about almasdar...this is no-brainer...these things have been discussed numerous times and everyone understands the way they should proceed about changing something on the war map Moreover, sohr, almasdarnews, etc are being used with caution and always it is good to provide additional (reliable) sources In a war like this villages keep changing hands...nothing new about that so keep calm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.87.206.137 ( talk) 00:56, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Let's use Twitter from unknown individuals, wich everybody knows its a very reliable source!-- HC PUNXKID 16:57, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Look, Wikipedia rules are soooo clear about the use of social media as Twitter, mostly denying in the majority of cases its use. No matter, several users are using it indiscriminately. If we're going to simply ignore WP rules, ok, let's use every Twitter account we found and let's do what we want. And please, dont try to dismiss this saying that "we only use some reliable accounts". To be reliable, an account should be from a person with a verifiable identity, not from an unknown man/woman/group or who knows.
I agree that us of twitter source is getting too widespread. It should be allowed only for know journalist source like https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai or if it is the mirror of newspaper of press agency like https://twitter.com/QASIOUN_NEWS or https://twitter.com/thearabsource?lang=en. Private twitter from individuals outside the category above cannot be used. If some account is deemed reliable enough to be added to the list, it must be accepted by editors'consensus. Paolowalter ( talk) 18:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Azaz checkpoint has already fallen to YPG and there is fighting around the hospital (in western part of the city)
Will provide good source as soon as I have one, source right now is just Twitter but corroborated by multiple people claiming to be on the ground
Get ready to update this map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.119.131 ( talk) 21:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Any sources of it ? Oroszka ( talk) 15:57, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
This town is reported to still be under rebel control despite reports from a few days ago claiming it had been captured by the SAA, per a pro-regime Twitter source [ [21]] 91.84.80.245 ( talk) 13:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Twitter is not a reliable source, it stays red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.81.200 ( talk) 18:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Looks like it was true, pro SAA sources Husein Mortada etc. reports it is taken now by SDF/YPG. Waiting for confirmation ofcourse. Totholio ( talk) 09:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
SANA says that the city is under SAA control. http://sana.sy/en/?p=69481 Warszawiak22 ( talk) 14:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
After the SDF captured Tell Rifaat earlier today the rebels have also lost Kafr Nasih (per pro-rebel Twitter) to the SDF[ [22]]. As well as Miqsan and Ahras to the regime [ [23]] [ [24]] 82.153.113.72 ( talk) 19:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
There is a report that suggest Mare is under controll of SDF. [ [25]] [ [26]] Any other sources ?
Other reports from reliable sources EjmAlrai indicated that Mare is not yet (fully?) controlled by SDF. May be it should be marked as contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:30, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
And jet again, Al Masdar lied and invented an article. Almost every source stated that Mare' is still under Rebel control, from Eliah Magnier to Jenan Musa. DuckZz ( talk) 22:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
SAA TAKE ALLEPO THERMAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.81.207.173 ( talk) 22:17, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Looks like they have now [ [31]] Solarsuntzu ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:50, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
At the moment there is a village marked as rebel-held just north of Mare (in Aleppo province), but in reality, as per this map here [32] its ISIS-held. Problem is, when I go over the dot on our map with my mouse I get the name of the town just south of it (Til Alyan) and I cann't find it on our list. There are two small villages on the northern outskirts of Til Alyan per Wikimapia [33], Mazra'at Hamzah al Kayyali and Mazra'at Ali al Hamidi. I couldn't find these two on our list so if someone can help please identify which of these two is on our map and change it to ISIS-held. Thank you! EkoGraf ( talk) 06:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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RezanTovjin ( talk) 09:20, 17 February 2016 (UTC) If allowed to edit the Kurdish names.
These villages located NW of Mare and SE of Azaz are under attack by SDF per https://twitter.com/setarcossebayt/status/699955155882680320 82.153.113.72 ( talk) 14:52, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Sources on Twitter indicate that Kafr Khashir (south of Azaz) is now under the control of YPG/SDF after the FSA there defected to Jaish al-Thuwar 128.194.228.13 ( talk) 23:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
CizireCanton (Kurds/SDF) is showing Kafr Khashir to be rebel-controlled as of February 17, 2016. Please revert to 'green' or contested. ViewObjective ( talk) 06:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Zalanah, near the ALeppo Power Plant, has been captured by the SAA. Source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tiger-forces-capture-zalanah-village-from-isis-in-east-aleppo/ MesmerMe ( talk) 19:01, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
User AlAboud83 is deeming that this unrealiable and unverified facebook source is a pro-Isis source siralal7skawi and made a controversial edit, I reverted his edit beacause he broke the rules of editing but he quickly rv me for being unreasonable,this doesn't end here in my talk page he wrote to me and claimed now that this source is an activist source despite I explained to him about the rule of a source being realible.So this user doesn't know the crediblity of this source and pretend that this source has double standards which are "Pro-Isis" and also is an "Activist source" so this user doesn't know what this source credibility and just use it like that and intentionally manipulates,defames and vandalises the map. Lists129 ( talk) 16:04, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
The user you mentioned edits often based on unreliable sources. You are right that the source quoted is very weak, a self proclaimed pro-ISIS activist facebook page. This edit must be reverted but now it cannot be done in a single revert. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Where is it on this map?
Actually, I may leave this new section with that question only, because this SAA offensive often gets in alMasdar reports recently, but there is not even a single point which somewhat describes the offensive. Where is that forgotten by all Gods village Zakiyah, which I got tired to look for in Wikimapia? Come on, guys, don't you know SAA is actively approaching it now, there are hard fights going on. Zero reaction on it in this template, that's strange. So, I hope you will draw your attention to this significant offensive.
Best wishes, good luck ^_^
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armed-forces-capture-another-point-on-the-road-to-tabaqa/ — Preceding
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The news ( News - Breaking: SDF at the gates of the last ISIS stronghold in Al-Hasakah) confirmed by several Tweets (that I know are not an accepted source, but if you put the #KhabourWrath in the Tweeter source you find some news, photos and movies/films that confirmed the advances) tell us that the Syrian Democratic Forces are in the gates of Al-Shadadi and encircled the Town (if not inside the Town already) by North-East and North. I pledge that this map be and have that situation on observation.
Good work and best regards Geosapiens ( talk) 11:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Shadadi is liberated source Rhocagil ( talk) 17:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
This source is clearly pro-YPG and is not accepted as 'relibale' by consensus. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Paolowalte just asking something about Almasdarnews, there were some source that unconfirmed what they advance in 19 of November - morning - or that is only because you dont like them? You know your opinions dont have to be here, they are a news source and if you dont like them, because you think that is a non reliable source you have to be more clear...because your pre-conceived ideias are making this map non reliable...all the international news source backup them in this News agency, why? Because they have reporters on the ground...because of that is better for you dont believe in BBC, Reuters or The Guardian, all them in some point are searching in Almasdarnews the reliable source...or you prefer to have more confidence in the SHOR source that only follows the Twitter sources? Best regards Geosapiens ( talk) 23:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Could somebody add the villages NE og Kinsibba that were captured. Qastal, Marj al Zawiyah, and Beit Jinarawo. Location. I presume Qastal isn't on Wikimapia. Source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-commandos-begin-encirclement-of-kinsibba-after-capturing-3-villages-in-northern-latakia/ MesmerMe ( talk) 22:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
This whole area is becoming one big red blob .It needs thinning out behind the front lines as its impossible to find anything with cursor .Also i think Kinsibba may have been taken (per tweets not confirmed ) 86.178.97.70 ( talk) 10:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Kinsibba has been liberated already, even video reports are on the net. All the usual and reliable sources confirm this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.99.34.108 ( talk) 06:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
It would be nice to see NE Latakia thinned out with only the larger settlements (ghannam, salma, rabiah) shown. 73.199.8.186 ( talk) 14:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Both sides agree -- e.g., here -- that Wadi Basour has been taken by Government forces along with Ballah and Shillif. Changing map color to 'red' accordingly. ViewObjective ( talk) 07:26, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Acording to this news source ( | SDF Continues Advance on Rebel Stronghold Azaz Despite Turkish Shelling) the City of Azaz is contested, and I agree because nothing (any news source) said that the combats stooped since the beginning of February, they only said that the al-Nusra Front & alies ( Ahrar ash-Sham, Ansar al-Sharia & Mare' Operations Room) resists to SDF.
Good work and best regards, Geosapiens ( talk) 13:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/699951505630056449 Neutral sources still confirm that Mare' remains under rebel control, the proposed deal to hand over to SDF was sabotaged by Turkey and Saudi who refused to allow the rebels to retreat. 82.153.113.72 ( talk) 14:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
The SDF is NOT in Mare'. Al-Monitor and Taştekin, in particular, are (generally) good sources -- but in this case I would go with CizireCanton. They ARE Kurds/SDF, after all, and they are showing both Mare (Mari') and Kafr Khashir to be rebel-controlled as of February 17, 2016. Please revert both to 'green'. ViewObjective ( talk) 06:08, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Rasm Al-Nafal is captured by Jund Al-Aksa not ISIS, therefore the dot should be green not black.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/latest-battlefield-update-from-raqqa-aleppo-countryside-map/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.0.135.214 ( talk) 07:38, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
ISIS, rebels attack the Syrian Army together in southeast Aleppo [ [37]] Oroszka ( talk) 11:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
This map needs a scala, to give a sense about distances. -- 212.75.52.4 ( talk) 11:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)MapMaker
Pro-regime source Al Masdar News says Daesh has captured Khanaser village just now. Please change icon from contested to black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:8301:8D74:B959:27E6:5396:A122 ( talk) 12:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The villages on the right side of the road need to be changed to ISIS control because it doesn't make logic, according to now, ISIS atacked the road from Rebel controled area and not from the right side of the road, because those villages are still marked as Gov. held.
There are many reports on Twitter saying that the rebels in Marea defected to ISIS and handed the city over to them. https://www.facebook.com/syria24english/photos/a.298390980196691.60683.298382103530912/984368704932245/?type=1&theater — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.228.13 ( talk) 00:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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Whenever an update is made to the map module, it takes a certain amount of time for the change to show up on the module document or the template. I have tried refreshing the page and clearing the cache multiple times, but I'm still not getting updates for the actual maps until I've waited for several hours. Does anyone know how to fix this bug, if that's possible? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Here reliable source said that the SAA captured the city of Shaykh Miskin. here But other reliable sources Al Masdar said that the SAA captured 95% of Shaykh Miskin. here but Al Jazeera said that the SAA captured most of the city of Sheikh Maskin. here Sûriyeya ( talk) 19:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
[3] What towns are in these areas, and are Sawda and Abd places on our map? I ask this because they may just be regions of Hasakah, but they could be settlements on the map, although I cannot find them (they may be spelt differently on ou map, however). Apparently, IS have advanced in this place according to SOHR, so we should mark them as contested if they are marked on our map. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I found two "Sawda" in Hasakah province marked on the map...one is Ruhayyah as Sawda between Qamishli and Tal Hamis, in an area marked as SAA-controlled, and sure it is not our case because source talked about southern Hasakhah countryside; the another one is Khirbat as Sawda, a small village North-West of al Shaddadi in an area already marked in black and apparently not immediately on the frontline between IS and SDF...maybe did previously SDF manage to arrive in its outskirts? Fab8405 ( talk) 13:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Opp. source Qasion news reported about clashes between Ahrar Alsham and Al Nusra in the city of Salqin in countryside of Idlib. And that the Ahrar Al-Sham movement seize over the town of Harem in countryside of Idlib after clashes with Al Nusra. here here But source which provide these data support both these groups Anhar al Sham and Al Nusra. So that as you think we can use this source in thise situation or not. Sûriyeya ( talk) 14:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
If the source is pro-Nusra and pro-Ahrar, then it is, for all effects and purposes on this map, a neutral source, which we can use to report advances for either side. If the clashes are in Salqin, then we can mark it as rebel-nusra contested. If Harem is reported to have been taken by Ahrar, the we can mark it as rebel-held. Not to POV push but I am surprised that the components of Jaish al-Fateh - the two most Islamist parts, in fact - are having such major battles in their heartlands, especially when they are on the verge of being pushed completely out of Latakia.
Where are the rebels actually fighting against Nusra in Daraa? I know they said they would, but SOHR have not reported any deaths by fighting between those factions. If you can find any sources showing where they are fighting each other, please put them here and we can mark the areas as rebel-Nusra contested.
I don't know how we are going to do rebel-rebel contested, but it clearly needs to be done in future. Maybe we should introduce a different shade of green that is only used when rebels are fighting rebels in an area, e.g. dark green? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I see you have already made the changes in Salqin and Idlib. Sorry for not responding to this sooner! PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:11, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
LightandDark2000 I'll keep that in mind, thanks. To be fair, hardliners can have infighting too, as can moderates. Ahrar are pretty hardline, by all accounts, compared to most rebel groups. In fact, they're frequently cited as the most hardline group that's not Al Qaeda or IS-linked. Maybe blue would work, as a marker for Factional Infighting? E.g. if rebels fought amongst themselves, or (really unlikely but could happen) different pro-government militias clashed over a dispute about which side administers the rule of a certain town, etc. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree. We can leave it as green-grey for now, although if it starts to become a more widespread phenomenon (I don't expect it to, but it might) we should use green-blue to designate internal conflict. Some of these clashes just strike me as People's Front of Judea versus Judean People's Front, and it doesn't really make much sense for the rebels to engage in infighting when they're losing ground to the SAA on most fronts. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 14:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
SOHR mention Sa'en in eastern Hama as uder attack from SAA. On our map I found Soha in a compatible position. Is it the same? In an old post SOHR2014 mentions 'the village of Soha in the township of al- Sa’en'. If it is correct it should get at least a red semiring. Paolowalter ( talk) 22:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
The village of Samadaniyah al-Sharqi (East Al-Samdaniyah) in Quneitra SAA-held according to Opp.sources. here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 21:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
The big Syrian conflict map ( /info/en/?search=Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War) has far more villages coded as being under control of one faction or another, but the table of data below is limited and does not encompass the each attribute listed on the map.
Is this data stored anywhere for others to access? JohnStud85 ( talk)
As territory changes hands in East Aleppo, please link to the East Aleppo offensive [4] rather than the Kuweires offensive page, as the Kuweires offensive finished in November 2015. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 14:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
As noted recently by
LightandDark2000, there are problems with the mobile version. I'm not sure if I managed to fix the loading problem that LightandDark2000 had, but there were other bad issues. Namely:
There may be other mobile problems. Deuar ( talk) 16:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
The mobile version of Wikipedia has loads of problems when it comes to module maps. However, switching to the Desktop Version (on mobile devices) solves the sizing problem. Unfortunately, there is that huge loading/freezing problem that comes whenever I tried viewing any module map linked to the Syria map on my smartphone. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 06:47, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I have quite a big collection of bookmarks with information about situation on frontline, but I can't find all those villages without outside help. So, I will just list them here hoping that someone can find the villages and add them on map. I will leave out known villages and replace them with "...".
Yes, I know some of this articles are quite old, but, for example, in Suweida, front didn't move since then.
Status | Link | Date | Area | Locations | News |
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Done | sana.sy | Oct 25 2015 | NE Suweida | Khirbet Saada | An army unit, in cooperation with the popular defense groups, targeted fortifications for ISIS terrorists in Khirbet Saada in the northeastern countryside of the southern Sweida province. |
Done | sana.sy | Oct 27 2015 | NE Suweida | al Asheihib al-Shamali | An army unit, in cooperation with popular defense groups, targeted a vehicle for ISIS terrorists in Tal Asheihib al-Shamali area in the countryside of the southern Sweida province. |
Done | sana.sy | Nov 1 2015 | SW Suweida/Dara | Kherbet al-Ghoutha | An army unit, in cooperation with the popular defense groups, targeted terrorist organizations’ gatherings and dens in Kherbet al-Ghoutha in the southwestern countryside of Sweida province |
Not done | sana.sy | Nov 10 2015 | N and E Homs | al-Shumaryeh, Mahras al-Deik, al-Zabadi, al-Amryeh | army also targeted hideoust for ISIS and Jabhet al-Nusra in al-Shumaryeh, al-Hilalyeh, Mahras al-Deik, al-Zabadi, al-Amryeh and Ein Hussein... |
Done | Syria 24 English | Nov 12 2015 | NE Suweida | Tal Asheihib( Tall Ushayhib) | An army unit targeted against a gathering of ISIS terrorists in Tal Asheihib area in the northeastern countryside of the southern Sweida province. |
Not done | Al Masdar | Nov 16 2015 | Palmyra | Al-Tamtheel, Al-Kassarat | With the capture of Al-Bayarat on Saturday, the Syrian Arab Army’s 67th Brigade and their allies shifted their attention to the villages of Al-Tamtheel and Al-Kassarat that are located just west of Palmyra. |
Done | syriahr.com | Nov 18 2015 | NE Daraa | al-Mdora | Clashes took place between members of the “Islamic State” against the rebel and Islamic Factions in the vicinity of al-Mdora village in the NE countryside of Daraa |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | Hama | Umm Tuwaynah | Army units, in cooperation with popular defense groups, established full control on Um Twenih village in Hama countryside |
Not done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | NE of Salamiyeh | al-Maakar al-Shamali | An army unit fired on movements of vehicle convoys for ISIS in al-Maakar al-Shamali village, northeast of Salamiyeh |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | NE Hama | al-Rahajan | army operation against an ISIS site in al-Rahajan village, 95 km northeast of Hama city |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | E of Salamiyeh | Qleib al-Thour | against ISIS movements and hideouts in Qleib al-Thour village in the eastern countryside of Salamiyeh |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 10 2015 | Palmyra | al-Sukhneh | destroying their vehicles and equipment in al-Sukhneh, east of Palmyra |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 17 2015 | E Homs | Wadi al-Zakara | ISIS terrorists were killed and their weapons destroyed in Wadi al-Zakara ... and on al-Salamieh –Ain al-Nesser road |
Not done | sana.sy | Dec 20 2015 | N Homs | al-Mashjar al-Janoubi | The army also destroyed bases and hotbeds of Jabhat al-Nusra and other terrorist groups in the villages of ... al-Mashjar al-Janoubi north of Homs city. |
Not done | sana.sy | Dec 21 2015 | Palmyra | al-Sharifa, Ghunaiman, Tafha and Ghziyl | ...air force also carried out strikes against ... ISIS terrorists in the surroundings of al-Sharifa village in the countryside of Palmyra, and in the villages of Ghunaiman, Tafha and Ghziyla in the eastern countryside |
Done | sana.sy | Dec 22 2015 | Mahin | al-Hazm, Dahret al-Dukkan, Duhour al-Khzeimiyeh | Centers and vehicles for ISIS terrorists were destroyed in ... al-Hazm, ..., Dahret al-Dukkan, Duhour al-Khzeimiyeh in the SE countryside of the central Homs province |
Not done | Al Masdar | Dec 25 2015 | Mahin | Wadi Hassaan Al-Kabeer, Wadi Hassaan Al-Sagheer, Wadi Al-Khadra, and Najmit Khadra | ... capturing more sites from the terrorist group near the strategic town of Maheen; these sites included the hilltops of Wadi Hassaan Al-Kabeer, Wadi Hassaan Al-Sagheer, Wadi Al-Khadra, and Najmit Khadra |
Not done | Al Masdar | Dec 27 2015 | S of Kobane | Al-Shalash, Al-Khabar, Bur Shmaal, Bur Bakkar, ‘Abd-Kileye, Tal Al-Binat, Khashkash Al-Sagheer, Khashkash Al-Kabeer, and Al-Waysi | YPG captured several villages from the terrorist group in the Al-Raqqa Governorate’s western countryside, including Al-Shalash, Al-Khabar, Bur Shmaal, Bur Bakkar, ‘Abd-Kileye, Tal Al-Binat, Khashkash Al-Sagheer, Khashkash Al-Kabeer, and Al-Waysi |
Done | Syria 24 English | Dec 29 2015 | E Hama | Tloul al-Homer, Jeb al-Rihan, al-Rahajan, Uqayribat | ...army air force targeted the ISIS hideouts, gatherings, movement axes and supply routes in the villages of Tloul al-Homer, Jeb al-Rihan, al-Rahajan and east of Eqarbat in Salamiyeh countryside |
Not done | Jan 2 2016 | Tishrin Dam | Bir Khami, Tal Baroud, Bir Khaddam | SDF has taken Bir Khami, Tal Baroud, Bir Khaddam from ISIS on the west bank of the river | |
Done | syriahr.com | Jan 9 2016 | N Homs | al-Sa’en al-Aswad | The regime forces bombed ... village of al-Sa’en al-Aswad in the northern countryside of Homs |
Done | Fars news | Jan 17 2016 | NE Suweida | Asheihib(Ushayhib) | The ISIL concentration centers near Ashayhib village came under massive attack of the Syrian... |
Done | sana.sy | Jan 19 2016 | al-Bab | al-Jaberiyeh Afash Abu Danneh | supply routes for ISIS from Raqqa through the villages of al-Jaberiyeh, Afash and Abu Danneh in the eastern countryside of Aleppo. |
Done | sana.sy | Jan 24 2016 | N Latakia | al-Tefahiya, Hilwa al-Gharbiya, Hilwa al-Sharqiya, Tal Asholan | [SAA]... established control over the villages of al-Tefahiya, Hilwa al-Gharbiya, Hilwa al-Sharqiya, ... Tal Asholan along with all the hills surrounding them in Lattakia’s northern countryside. |
Not done | [5] | January 27 2016 | Jabal Al Akrad/Latakia | Point 361 | ...the Syrian Arab Army's 103rd Brigade and their allies seized Duwayrakah, Point 361, Jabal Al-Mulqa, Ruweisat Al-Mu'alaqah, Al-Muzayra'ah and 'Uwayhat... |
Not done | [6] | January 27 2016 | Jabal Al Akrad/Latakia | Jabal Al-Mulqa (or Jabal al-Malka [7]) | ...the Syrian Arab Army's 103rd Brigade and their allies seized Duwayrakah, Point 361, Jabal Al-Mulqa, Ruweisat Al-Mu'alaqah, Al-Muzayra'ah and 'Uwayhat... |
Not done | [8] | January 27 2016 | Jabal Al Akrad/Latkia | Ruweist Al-Mu'alaqah (or Roisit al-Malaka [9]) | ...the Syrian Arab Army's 103rd Brigade and their allies seized Duwayrakah, Point 361, Jabal Al-Mulqa, Ruweisat Al-Mu'alaqah, Al-Muzayra'ah and 'Uwayhat... |
If You manage to find a village and add it to map, please mark the row to "done". If You find the village, regardless of what You do with the news, please add link to wikimapia to each found point in "Location" column. -- Hogg 22 ( talk) 13:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
It might not count for much, but when I searched the places that have not yet been added to our map on Wikimapia, I got no results for them (except that something with a similar name to one supposed to be Palmyra was actually in Suweida province). It is possible that these places with different names are either abandoned or that they are other places already on our map, the names of which have been misspelt (perhaps to a significant degree) by the writers reporting on them. These 'new' villages might just be misprints and typos. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Adding areas in Latakia I couldn't find on Wikimapia, even when I looked very closely at each poit on the map. Is Al Muzayra'ah an alternative spelling for Al Mazra'ah? If so, we have found Al Muzayra'ah. [10] PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Added Kherbet al-Goutha. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:37, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
[11] Doarkh - is this Duwayrikah? If not, we need to find this too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 11:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. What about Al Muazyra'ah? Is Al Muzayra'ah an alternative spelling for Al Mazra'ah? If so, we can remove it from this list as Al Mazra'ah is already on the map here. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I think Al Muzayra'ah is alternative for Al Mazra'ah, so I'm removing it from the list. Plus, Al Hilalyeh is an alternative spelling for Al Hilaliyah, which we have on our map already, so I've removed that, too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:14, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Ein Hussein is Ayn Husayn, and is also already on our map, so I've removed that from the list, too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:18, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
We are not supposed to use other maps for our sources under normal circumstances, but Al Masdar's map [12]clearly indicates that Um Arkilah is under IS control (not SAA control, unlike on our map). Should we change this back, or wait for another source to confirm who controls it? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Kelez in Northern Latakia is captured. Source: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-advances-near-turkish-border-nuwarah-village-seized/ MesmerMe ( talk) 13:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Al-Buwaydah is contested per Al-Masdar [ [13]]. Expect more developments on this front after rebels announced an offensive yesterday. 91.85.60.235 ( talk) 12:41, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The left red army base icon north of Nasiriya AFB, east of An-Nabek is Brigade 128, so please add this. Especially important now with the new acitivities there.
Source: http://wikimapia.org/24863947/Brigade-128 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.211.250.79 ( talk) 13:56, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Has this village in west Hama been taken by greens from reds ? Also more villages have been added green in the same area do we have a source for these changes . 86.178.102.49 ( talk) 15:55, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Dear coleagues, I have noticed the following edits: [14] [15] that removed villages near Aleppo just because there's a "detailed" map in the same are. I'm sure that these edits made the map less informative, less useful to the reader.
These "detailed" maps are hard to explore (they don't contain names of most villages) and they are changed with a serious delay (days at least, while that main map is updated within hours or evern minutes after the respective news). Therefore, I'm sure that the "detailed" maps can't substitute the main map.
So I propose to put towns and villages marks on the main map, no matter if they are within the area of a "detailed" map or not. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 19:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I agree, I'm going to put the dots back on. We only remove them once a city is no longer contested - this has been our policy so far. However, we only use dots for neighbourhoots such as Al-Bohgaliyeh when they are contested - otherwise, reserve them for towns on the outskirts. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Is this allowed? [Rebel confirm loss of Duwayr Al-Zaytoun and Tell Jibbin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp0_dz5WAUI] Now, I haven't actually watched the video, but if it is confirmed by rebels not under duress, then this is technically a pro-rebel source. Still, given that it could easily be faked, it is highly unreliabe anyway. Should we even be prepared to use this for pro-SAA advances, given that it's youtube? I have serious misgivings about doing so, but I'll defer to the judgement of other editors on this matter if you think otherwise. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I think it's highly unlickely, that the rebel still have control of these two, well i wouldn't even call them villages. I know, that without reports, we don't do changes, but i just wanted to point this out.
It is probably fair to remove them altogether. Paolowalter ( talk) 17:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Reliable reporter also shows this area as under Rebel control. DuckZz ( talk) 00:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
The same goes for the other areas not completely surrounded by SAA that are also small. If it's a large town or an army base/airport, its capture would have been reported widely if it had happened (e.g. Battalion 559). Given that this didn't happen, it's safe to presume that it has not been recaptured. Moreover, it is unclear who would control these areas, if not the rebels, so we should leave them as rebel for now. Take the rebel presence in Homs province. Would we reassign those places to IS or the regime? I think the rebels still control them, but we'd have to decide which of the other two did if we dismissed the rebels in these areas, and we would need sources for that. I think it's probably best to leave rebel-held areas as rebel-held for now, unless they are small villages surrounded by only one force (e.g. Murayghil surrounded by IS, or Sharan in Lataia with the SAA) for quite some time.
Are we agreed on this matter? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Plus I think we should edit back in Battalion 559 and Abu Shamat. Just because we have not heard from them in a while does not mean that we should assume that the rebels probably no longer control them to the extent that the colour of their icons is in such doubt that they should be removed form the map entirely - 559 is an army base, its capture would be reported so we can presume it's still rebel held. Abu Shamat's capture would probably be reported alongside it, so we can keep it on the map, too. If we remove them, do we just leave the rebel presence in Homs marker still up? It makes little sense to do so. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I think Battalion 559 is big enough to have any capture by the SAA or IS reported, so we should presume it is still rebel-held for now, and if we are going to comment it out, we should probably comment out the rural presence in Homs province too of the rebels, because if 559 and Kahn Abou Shamat is gone, then that presence has probably gone away, too. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Tradedia talk We have luck lol. Reliable reporter says he will soon publish a map for the region of Eeastern Qalamoun. As far as I know, the last map for this area is published 2 years ago ? The map will probably make some things clear. DuckZz ( talk) 20:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I was unaware of this. I agree they should be commented out if the original source we used to mark control was that unclear. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 08:03, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Despite Bayanoun being contested, it may stil be possible for rebels to hold positions from which to besiege Al Zahraa and its industrial area. Consequently, shouldn't we leave the siege arcs up for now, until/unless Bayanoun is fully taken by the SAA? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 11:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I've done that now. Thanks for putting the semicircle north of the industrial area. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:02, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
How and why are there Kurdish forces northeast of al Zahraa? They'd be completely encircled by the rebels and the SAA. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
If you do not know how or why they are there, I suggest you stop editing the map you know little about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.232.102 ( talk) 18:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I know plenty about this map, please stop being rude, and I do not see how Kurdish forces (presumably from Afrin canton) could have got between Al Zahraa and the clearly rebel-held towns to its northeast. There is little strategic value to having troops there unless they wanted to take Al Zahraa, but their main frontlines are far away from that town for now. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 08:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Hardatin should be Hrdatnin. Ihras is under the al-Nusra control, not the so-called moderate green dots.-- Spetsnaz1991 ( talk) 04:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Not only are there multiple villages on our map using both of these names, they also seem to be mixed up. Moreover, one of the al-Khalidiyahs links to the Aleppo offensive, but is in Hama. We have really messed this up and need to fix it, but for now I will focus on marking the Aleppo one in the correct colour. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
No, when I marked Al-Khalidiyah as rebel-held, this showed up for a place in Hama, not Aleppo, despite linking to the Aleppo offensive. I think someone has mixed up the coordinated of Kulayriyah and Kahlidiyah, and there are multiple copies of each village in different places on the map anyway. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki (over 5000 members)the one of most powerful rebel groups in Aleppo which once received weapons from the US has begun to withdraw from the city of Aleppo for lack of of foreign military support. Also only a day before, the Al-Nusra held a massive show of force in Aleppo, driving a convoy of over 200 vehicles through Aleppo before reinforcing its positions to ostensibly face a regime offensive, although activists have expressed their doubt over Islamist group’s intentions. source Sûriyeya ( talk) 14:08, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
With articles like this appearing more and more [17], we should be extra vigilant. As I expected, the rebels are losing ground quickly in northern Aleppo now that they have lost their supply lines to Idlib - we will need to make sure to update territorial changes in spite of the fact that some of them may be unclear due to the rapid rate at which they occur and are reported. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
According to reliable source. ISIS controls some area SE of Damascus. We have a large blank spot SE of Damascus, so it would make sense to add something there. But where is this ? DuckZz ( talk) 23:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
If you can name the locations, I'll find them on wikimapia and mark them as IS-held. Even just the outermost locations will do. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I think this is it. There's also a crossroad just north of it. DuckZz ( talk) 11:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Please, lets be serious. A tweet from a self-declared activist AINT a reliable source, I suppose that everyone here know that...-- HC PUNXKID 14:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
BosnjoBoy has been agreed to be reliable by experienced editors of this map. Obviously, not reliable for the advances of the side they support, but otherwise we can use their updates for our mpap. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Thirdly but not last, perhaps you dont remember this:
WP:RS: “Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources.” Source: Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources
or this:
"WP:TWITTER": Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; it does not involve claims about third parties; it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; the article is not based primarily on such sources.
This policy also applies to material published by the subject on social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, and Facebook.-- HC PUNXKID 10:03, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
You want consensus? Fine. Ask any other editor here - most will say yes. Bosnjoboy has been used for multiple sides by multiple editors for this page. You can check the history of edits if you want.
Secondly, just because we use a source does not mean that we are giving it the same credibility as one of these world renowned reporters you speak of. It's simply that we consider the source reliable enough to use for updates - it passes our required benchmark. Whether you find that ridiculous or not is a matter for you.
About your third point - key word there: "Largely." There are clear exceptions, such as this one, and this fact is supported by the other wikipedia rule regarding twitter that you provide, which specifically sanctions the use of twitter under certain criteria. Bosnjoboy meets these criteria, as agreed by most editors here (all barring yourself, of what I've seen so far) and for now we consider him a legitimate source to use.
Social media, when used responsibly and carefully, can be a very useful source for map updates. It is neither practical nor reasonable to dismiss it out of hand. Therefore, I will revert that edit. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 11:03, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
There were at least 2 discussions about various twitter sources, back in 2014 and last year. In both sections, this source (Bosno Sinj) is said to be reliable and can be used with no problem. We are using him for 2 years at least and I have no seen any mistake so far. As I can see he is not writing much, and is not retweeting or writing what others do. His reports are a bit different and mostly uknown to other activits from twitter. For example I had no idea that rebels control that much teritory in north Raqqa, or that Mahaja town in Daraa province is under truce. It's like we're using Leith Fadel from twitter, he basically writes a tweet every 2 minutes. 31.176.254.105 ( talk) 15:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Reliable sources SOHR and Al Masdar confirmed that the SAA captured the town of Atman in Darra. here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 07:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
According to opp.sources condirmed that SAA captured village Mayer near Al Zahra. here here here here here and YPG captured villages Ziyarah and Khuraybah here Sûriyeya ( talk) 12:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Any pro-Gov. sources saying this yet ? 86.135.155.210 ( talk) 16:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-for-northern-aleppo-heats-up-as-islamist-rebels-counter-syrian-army-gains/ Same thing for Deit Jamal http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/27364/ sill contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 08:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi mate i have noticed in the past you have made changes to city maps is there any chance you can update Damascus as it is very behind and as the capitol city lets the whole map down . 86.135.155.210 ( talk) 20:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Doing awesome work would have been updating the map when it needed to be, ( Personal attack removed) is not going to make someone who does not want to show SAA advancements in reality, last time this ( Personal attack removed) updated the map of Aleppo he made serious errors same with the last time he updated Damascuss made Daryya 3 time bigger than what it really is (rebel held) and totally messed it up to make it seem as if the terrorists were gaining when the opposite was true this map is so wrong in the following areas: Aleppo, Deir Ez Zoir, Damascus. Where it happens most of the fighting is taking, place this map is a joke. Better maps now exist that are updated daily in the main cities, by unbiased non-ISIS terrorists supporters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.239.30 ( talk) 16:17, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Eib and Sharah, located in on the western outskirts of the Lajat area in Eastern Darraa, shoulb be moved slightly to the east. My reasoning is that the two towns are depicted as being on the main supply route between Darra and Damascus, while this most certainly is not the case. This is also the case with the other view dots north of Eib. But since I am not skilled to do so, could somebody make these changes for me? Source: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.055292&lon=36.311531&z=12&m=b&show=/16766603/Eib&search=Eib MesmerMe ( talk) 17:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
The town 'Alma too! location is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.144.205.88 ( talk) 13:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Is is true http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ibtaa-and-dael-surrender-to-the-government/ that Ibtaa and Dael surrender? Paolowalter ( talk) 08:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
That's again me, everyday watcher at this template, and now I have noticed one strange correction in the map, that is not really true.
Firstly, I would say that I'm relying on Wikimapia data.
Then the matter; and the matter is that Uwaynat town, that is 1-2 km west from the as-Sin town (both in eastern Aleppo) (
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ru&lat=36.178900&lon=37.459259&z=12&m=b&show=/34534697/Al-Uwaynat), has strangely dissapeared from its actual location. I'm following not only eastern Aleppo agenda, also Latakia one, and what I saw - now, after someone's machinations, the town named Abyan (rebel-held near the frontline on the Latakia - Aleppo highway) (
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ru&lat=35.744562&lon=36.114120&z=13&m=b&show=/34158523/Abin), now has received the name of... Uwaynat.
That's funny, people, I love you for that joke, but it seems to me (according to Wikimapia) that it is a mistake and it should be corrected (reestablish Uwaynat on the map and return Abyan its actual name).
Best wishes for you, taqbir, Allahwakbar, and so on ^_^. — Preceding
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village Bashurah in Latakia taken SAA according to reliable soures Al Masdar and SOHR. here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 09:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
According to SOHR,Al Masdar and France 24 the village of Al Ta'ana taken SAA from ISIS. here here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 09:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
According to pro-SAA Al-Masdar News, YPG takes full control of Deir Jamal in northern Aleppo. Source. Kordestani ( talk) 01:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
The city maps here are severely behind in the current situation, Damascus map looked as it did one year ago, why no update, plenty of updates when terrorists made gains this time last year everyday it could be updated now it is not??? Same with Aleppo looks the same now for over 10 months when there has been major advances in and around the city again here when terrorists made gains this map was updated everyday but since SAA made gains no update. This map is a joke, you can't even update the most vital areas, and idiots who have no knowledge of the history of the conflict now update this map not knowing much else but how to copy and paste and repeat the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.99.56 ( talk) 09:20, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
ANHA reports that YPG has repelled an ISIS attack on the village of Qadiriyah east of Tishrin dam. http://hawarnews.com/ypg-%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%A8%D8%B7-%D9%87%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8B-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%B2%D9%82%D8%A9/ The village is wrongly marked black on the map. Should be yellow. Roboskiye ( talk) 12:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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Al sin is now controlled by the Syrian Army. the line: { lat = "36.23", long = "37.411", mark = "Location dot black.svg", marksize = "5", label = " Al-Sin", label_size = "0" }, should be changed to: { lat = "36.23", long = "37.411", mark = "Location dot red.svg", marksize = "5", label = " Al-Sin", label_size = "0" }, source: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/694846914056077312
KokoroXIII ( talk) 12:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-russian-fm-stop-airstrikes-36682496
End of battle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.193.1.32 ( talk) 15:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
SOHR and Al Masdar claim that the SAA captured four villages including Ruwaisat and Swedish(Al-Hawr, Al-Ruweisat, Al-Sweida, and Wad Al-‘Zaraq). here here Sûriyeya ( talk) 17:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
for rebels against kurds source say YPG capture FSA village: https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/696818924755750912
this village should be shown on map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:8301:8D74:1DB4:BFDC:1999:782E ( talk) 23:49, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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There are few errors that made by fanatics, we have to correct them Vieragt ( talk) 13:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think we should judge the characters of map editors as 'fanatics'. What errors do you think have been made? Point them out here and we can discuss whether they need to be corrected or not. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:56, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
SOHR said that the truce between the Syrian army and the elders of the town Abtaa and army stop bombing and the release of detainees the introduction of food and medical supplies of daily life to the town, in return for lifting Syria's current flag is internationally recognized, the government official circles in the town. Also SOHR said that a similar agreement will be between the regime and the elders of the city Da'el on the same conditions. here Sûriyeya ( talk) 11:00, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
The agreement eventually means surrender unconditionally. A limited amount of SAA will enter both cities to ensure the transition of the towns back into government hands
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ibtaa-and-dael-surrender-to-the-government/ | Al-Masdar News This means that SAA eventually will control these cities at the price of no further destruction and bombardement For now it is a truce After the process is complete these cities should be red — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.217.218 ( talk) 11:11, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Al Masdar is still being used a source ? They claimed that Al Waer is fully under Gov. control and that all Rebels left. Why didn't we changed that district to red ? Because everyone else claimed the opposite, including civilians and rebels from inside the town. They also said the same thing for all the other towns which are marked on our map as under truce. DuckZz ( talk) 13:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/syria-rebels-leave-homs-rare-ceasefire-deal-151209153257762.html A prominent anti-Assad source claimed that rebels left Al-Waer...upsss it seems almasdarnews is much more valid than you . Moreover, sohr is way worse thatn any other pro or anti-Assad news netwrok, for the simple reason that it is a 1-man(located in England) 'network'... Moreover, truce according to th map other users made is defined as Government & Opposition stable mixed control (truce)...When SAA forces enter this city...truce will be no more Imho Al-Waer should be marked red, other cities of Daraa Gov. should be labeled as truce till the end of the transitionary period...when they should be red — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.87.206.137 ( talk) 16:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Most mainstream media sources, including the BBC, referred to Al Waer being 'essentially' surrendered to the SAA, but under a truce that expires in a few months. We should leave it as truce-marked until that time period expires, then change it to red. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:58, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
About Abtaa there is contradicting information SOHR at 19:00 9 February states that the truce is established (see also pro-rebelshttps://twitter.com/Serif_Imamagic0/status/697146362920640512), [http:www.almasdarnews.com/article/rebels-refuse-reconciliation-in-dael-and-ibta-civilians-arrested/ AlMasdar] state that the truce was rejected. Anybody has more precise infos? Paolowalter ( talk) 21:08, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kurdish-forces-approach-strategic-airbase-in-northern-aleppo/
https://www.facebook.com/stepnewsagencysy/posts/720445968090688
Neutral and anti-Kurd sources say contested or YPG-held.
AlMasdar reports that Tal ‘Umri, ‘Ezzeldeen, Al-Taba’at, and Al-Mukhram are under SAA control. I found the former two town and turned red. But now the are SW of Salamiyah is mixed red-gray and makes no sense. Any info that could help clarify the situation? I guess that Aydun and Dalak should go red. What do you think? Paolowalter ( talk) 08:26, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I think we should leave them as they are for now. It's possible that the Nusra forces have been split up and cut off from each other in these two towns. However, in a few weeks, if the isolated town is not reported on, change it to red. Btw, I think we underestimated the rebel and Nusra presence in southern Hama and north Homas. AlMasdar This article reports areas being taken that, according to our map, are already deep within SAA-held territory (e.g. Al Mukharam), so we were wrong on that count, and possibly are still wrong when it comes to labelling villages near those places, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PutItOnAMap ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hey, respectful editors, I'm a simple spectator to this Syrian war map, created and updated by all of you, I want to thank you for your really huge work.
My notice is when I looked at the wikimapia map of al-Rastan district, I have found one natural discordance between satellite map and this interactive map you keep: it concerns the flow of Orontes river around the towns of al-Rastan and Talbiseh. In your map, Orontes river surrounds these 2 cities from the east and south, while on satellite map that's not true: al-Rastan is located on the southern banks of some reservoir (it seems that its name is al-Rastan reservoir
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ru&lat=34.902827&lon=36.732101&z=11&m=b&show=/8607402/al-Rastan-Lake), and then Orontes river flows from it to the south, outflanking al-Rastan from the WEST. Moreover, it is a major division, as Orontes divides here two plains - al-Rastan plain and al-Houla plain (then flowing to the south, down to Homs city), and in military reasons, helps rebels to defend this area, as the SAA faces some difficulties with forced crossing of Orontes here (from the northern direction where is Hama and from the western direction where is Kafr Nan).
So, as this feature is a significant point of military situation in this area, I suggest you to check the flow of Orontes, maybe you will find some power and wish to change it to more authentic shape. ^_^
Thank you very much, please don't rage at me, I really appreciate your work, and this is just a little try to help you.
I see what you mean, the river is big in this area and it is a reason why militaries move slow here. However, the Orontes river ('AAsi' in arabic) flows south to north.
It's again me (the author of this tread) ^_^ About direction of Orontes flow - that's my mistake, I thought it flows from the north. But my point was that this river surrounds al-Rastan and Talbiseh from the opposite side (from the west and north, not from the east). Map inaccurately shows the course of river in this area. That what I meant.
YPG have captured Deir Jamal and are closing in on Minakh Airbase hence it would be logical to place a siege icon to show a 'strong presence' according to Al-Masdar [ [18]] 91.85.60.235 ( talk) 10:02, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't use a siege icon unless there is a siege. As the SDF capture more areas near the airport (if they do), then we can mark those places in yellow. This will adequately show their advances, I think. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 14:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Please, have a look on this map. It looks more reliable as there are division between YPG and FSA in North-Eastern Aleppo and Northern Raqqa where it is mentioned that YPG and FSA are controlling that areas together. At current map it is not shown. I guess, it is better to clarify this issue. -- Ліонкінг ( talk) 10:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
The forces working in Raqqa that are not IS fight together as part of the SDF. There are former FSA factions in the SDF, and they work with the YPG, so they share the same icon because they're united by the SDF. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 10:46, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
From AlMasdar pro-SAA fighters took control of the hospital. Maybe it is just a hit and run attack. Should it be marked somehow? Paolowalter ( talk) 22:45, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
These icons are hard to spot on several different screens I have used. I suggest we change the colour for them specifically to a different shade of yellow, preferably one similar to the colour used for the SDF industrial complex icon. This applies to the military base icon used for the KRG forces in Iraq, too, and other 'yellow-based' forces such as the Kurdish groups in the Turkish insurgency or the Tuareg militias in the Libyan civil war.
What are your opinions on this? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 13:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I have made a new icon for the SDF miltiary bases, which I hope is more visible. I'm going to test it here - I'd like your opinions on whether it's better or worse than the old one. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 15:58, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I have changed the colours of the SDF military bases. Admittedly, they are slightly less visible in Hasakah and Qamishli cities now, but they can still be easily spotted there, and they are much clearer to see outside of the cities now. Still, this is just my opinion. What do you think of it? I can change it back if you want. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 16:05, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: If the colour is the yellowish one used in the SDF/YPG-held industrial complexes, I agree with it. Its still some king of yellow and its clearly more visible.-- HC PUNXKID 21:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
There are a lot of contradicting statements about the situation in the Mennagh Military Airport: AlMasdar hints (without stating it with certainty) that the airport is still controlled by rebels. Also many twitter posting states that e.g. [19] quite reliable and somehow pro-gov. Should we probably put it back to green or contested? And the nearby village? Paolowalter ( talk) 19:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I think we shouyld mark airbase as contested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:8301:8D74:1DB4:BFDC:1999:782E ( talk) 22:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Mennagh Military Airport confirmed as YPG-held per SOHR, AFP & Press TV: http://www.albawaba.com/news/syrian-kurds-capture-strategic-airbase-nusra-militants-804182. Oh, and the report confirms also what everyone informed knows except some WP editors: Mennagh was in Nusra hands, not in FSA, but "curiously" it was painted lime instead of grey. That "curiosity" happens with towns along all the map, I wonder why...-- HC PUNXKID 07:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Anyway, this was not held by Nusra, but by rebels. According to Al Masdar, Ahrar ash-Sham and the FSA were the forces defending it, with no Nusra militants involved at all in the final attempt to take it. [20] PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
'Rebels' cover everything apart from Nusra, SDF and IS (as is the case on our map). IS militants working as a unit of Nusra at the time took the base, so there was a lot of internet interest around that (hence the generation of results).
Your sources may refer to Nusra, but Al Masdar is a reliable source, and it didn't mention Nusra at all. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
And most recently, Fighting Rages In Syria’s Aleppo Amid Ceasefire Talks, and source from today: http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/timing-of-syria-ceasefire-emerges-as-key-sticking-point-between-us-and-russia (Rebels claim that they lost the base to SDF/YPG). LightandDark2000 ( talk) 11:55, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
I turned the base yellow again. SOHR seems out of touch these days. It gibes little info and with days of delay. It is often obsolete and therefore to be used with care e.g. SOHR: the Minagh base was taken by YPG and Kafr Naja by SAA the day before. Paolowalter ( talk) 15:43, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Village Bluzah in south Aleppo is marked as under gov. control even thought Rebels control it. Few weeks ago, SAA captured the village for few hours and rebels recaptured after reinforcements arrived, acc. to SOHR and both pro-gov and rebel sources. Why do I mention Al Masdar ? Simple. I don't know who made the edit, but I can garantee Al Masdar was the sources used. Why ? Because basically, Rebels recaptured the village very quickly that not even SOHR had the time to make an article named "Gov. captured Bluzah" but they only managed to publish the article "Rebel recaptured Bluzah after clashes". Al Masdar published an article basically 6 hours after the event, named "Gov. captured Bluzah". This can't be a mistake, this is donne by purpose and it's called "Propaganda". DuckZz ( talk) 21:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Perhpas this is the 5th ro so time you are trying to make a point about almasdar...this is no-brainer...these things have been discussed numerous times and everyone understands the way they should proceed about changing something on the war map Moreover, sohr, almasdarnews, etc are being used with caution and always it is good to provide additional (reliable) sources In a war like this villages keep changing hands...nothing new about that so keep calm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.87.206.137 ( talk) 00:56, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Let's use Twitter from unknown individuals, wich everybody knows its a very reliable source!-- HC PUNXKID 16:57, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Look, Wikipedia rules are soooo clear about the use of social media as Twitter, mostly denying in the majority of cases its use. No matter, several users are using it indiscriminately. If we're going to simply ignore WP rules, ok, let's use every Twitter account we found and let's do what we want. And please, dont try to dismiss this saying that "we only use some reliable accounts". To be reliable, an account should be from a person with a verifiable identity, not from an unknown man/woman/group or who knows.
I agree that us of twitter source is getting too widespread. It should be allowed only for know journalist source like https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai or if it is the mirror of newspaper of press agency like https://twitter.com/QASIOUN_NEWS or https://twitter.com/thearabsource?lang=en. Private twitter from individuals outside the category above cannot be used. If some account is deemed reliable enough to be added to the list, it must be accepted by editors'consensus. Paolowalter ( talk) 18:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Azaz checkpoint has already fallen to YPG and there is fighting around the hospital (in western part of the city)
Will provide good source as soon as I have one, source right now is just Twitter but corroborated by multiple people claiming to be on the ground
Get ready to update this map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.119.131 ( talk) 21:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Any sources of it ? Oroszka ( talk) 15:57, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
This town is reported to still be under rebel control despite reports from a few days ago claiming it had been captured by the SAA, per a pro-regime Twitter source [ [21]] 91.84.80.245 ( talk) 13:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Twitter is not a reliable source, it stays red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.81.200 ( talk) 18:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Looks like it was true, pro SAA sources Husein Mortada etc. reports it is taken now by SDF/YPG. Waiting for confirmation ofcourse. Totholio ( talk) 09:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
SANA says that the city is under SAA control. http://sana.sy/en/?p=69481 Warszawiak22 ( talk) 14:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
After the SDF captured Tell Rifaat earlier today the rebels have also lost Kafr Nasih (per pro-rebel Twitter) to the SDF[ [22]]. As well as Miqsan and Ahras to the regime [ [23]] [ [24]] 82.153.113.72 ( talk) 19:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
There is a report that suggest Mare is under controll of SDF. [ [25]] [ [26]] Any other sources ?
Other reports from reliable sources EjmAlrai indicated that Mare is not yet (fully?) controlled by SDF. May be it should be marked as contested. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:30, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
And jet again, Al Masdar lied and invented an article. Almost every source stated that Mare' is still under Rebel control, from Eliah Magnier to Jenan Musa. DuckZz ( talk) 22:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
SAA TAKE ALLEPO THERMAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.81.207.173 ( talk) 22:17, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Looks like they have now [ [31]] Solarsuntzu ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:50, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
At the moment there is a village marked as rebel-held just north of Mare (in Aleppo province), but in reality, as per this map here [32] its ISIS-held. Problem is, when I go over the dot on our map with my mouse I get the name of the town just south of it (Til Alyan) and I cann't find it on our list. There are two small villages on the northern outskirts of Til Alyan per Wikimapia [33], Mazra'at Hamzah al Kayyali and Mazra'at Ali al Hamidi. I couldn't find these two on our list so if someone can help please identify which of these two is on our map and change it to ISIS-held. Thank you! EkoGraf ( talk) 06:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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RezanTovjin ( talk) 09:20, 17 February 2016 (UTC) If allowed to edit the Kurdish names.
These villages located NW of Mare and SE of Azaz are under attack by SDF per https://twitter.com/setarcossebayt/status/699955155882680320 82.153.113.72 ( talk) 14:52, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Sources on Twitter indicate that Kafr Khashir (south of Azaz) is now under the control of YPG/SDF after the FSA there defected to Jaish al-Thuwar 128.194.228.13 ( talk) 23:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
CizireCanton (Kurds/SDF) is showing Kafr Khashir to be rebel-controlled as of February 17, 2016. Please revert to 'green' or contested. ViewObjective ( talk) 06:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Zalanah, near the ALeppo Power Plant, has been captured by the SAA. Source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tiger-forces-capture-zalanah-village-from-isis-in-east-aleppo/ MesmerMe ( talk) 19:01, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
User AlAboud83 is deeming that this unrealiable and unverified facebook source is a pro-Isis source siralal7skawi and made a controversial edit, I reverted his edit beacause he broke the rules of editing but he quickly rv me for being unreasonable,this doesn't end here in my talk page he wrote to me and claimed now that this source is an activist source despite I explained to him about the rule of a source being realible.So this user doesn't know the crediblity of this source and pretend that this source has double standards which are "Pro-Isis" and also is an "Activist source" so this user doesn't know what this source credibility and just use it like that and intentionally manipulates,defames and vandalises the map. Lists129 ( talk) 16:04, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
The user you mentioned edits often based on unreliable sources. You are right that the source quoted is very weak, a self proclaimed pro-ISIS activist facebook page. This edit must be reverted but now it cannot be done in a single revert. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Where is it on this map?
Actually, I may leave this new section with that question only, because this SAA offensive often gets in alMasdar reports recently, but there is not even a single point which somewhat describes the offensive. Where is that forgotten by all Gods village Zakiyah, which I got tired to look for in Wikimapia? Come on, guys, don't you know SAA is actively approaching it now, there are hard fights going on. Zero reaction on it in this template, that's strange. So, I hope you will draw your attention to this significant offensive.
Best wishes, good luck ^_^
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armed-forces-capture-another-point-on-the-road-to-tabaqa/ — Preceding
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The news ( News - Breaking: SDF at the gates of the last ISIS stronghold in Al-Hasakah) confirmed by several Tweets (that I know are not an accepted source, but if you put the #KhabourWrath in the Tweeter source you find some news, photos and movies/films that confirmed the advances) tell us that the Syrian Democratic Forces are in the gates of Al-Shadadi and encircled the Town (if not inside the Town already) by North-East and North. I pledge that this map be and have that situation on observation.
Good work and best regards Geosapiens ( talk) 11:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Shadadi is liberated source Rhocagil ( talk) 17:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
This source is clearly pro-YPG and is not accepted as 'relibale' by consensus. Paolowalter ( talk) 19:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Paolowalte just asking something about Almasdarnews, there were some source that unconfirmed what they advance in 19 of November - morning - or that is only because you dont like them? You know your opinions dont have to be here, they are a news source and if you dont like them, because you think that is a non reliable source you have to be more clear...because your pre-conceived ideias are making this map non reliable...all the international news source backup them in this News agency, why? Because they have reporters on the ground...because of that is better for you dont believe in BBC, Reuters or The Guardian, all them in some point are searching in Almasdarnews the reliable source...or you prefer to have more confidence in the SHOR source that only follows the Twitter sources? Best regards Geosapiens ( talk) 23:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Could somebody add the villages NE og Kinsibba that were captured. Qastal, Marj al Zawiyah, and Beit Jinarawo. Location. I presume Qastal isn't on Wikimapia. Source: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-commandos-begin-encirclement-of-kinsibba-after-capturing-3-villages-in-northern-latakia/ MesmerMe ( talk) 22:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
This whole area is becoming one big red blob .It needs thinning out behind the front lines as its impossible to find anything with cursor .Also i think Kinsibba may have been taken (per tweets not confirmed ) 86.178.97.70 ( talk) 10:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Kinsibba has been liberated already, even video reports are on the net. All the usual and reliable sources confirm this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.99.34.108 ( talk) 06:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
It would be nice to see NE Latakia thinned out with only the larger settlements (ghannam, salma, rabiah) shown. 73.199.8.186 ( talk) 14:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Both sides agree -- e.g., here -- that Wadi Basour has been taken by Government forces along with Ballah and Shillif. Changing map color to 'red' accordingly. ViewObjective ( talk) 07:26, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Acording to this news source ( | SDF Continues Advance on Rebel Stronghold Azaz Despite Turkish Shelling) the City of Azaz is contested, and I agree because nothing (any news source) said that the combats stooped since the beginning of February, they only said that the al-Nusra Front & alies ( Ahrar ash-Sham, Ansar al-Sharia & Mare' Operations Room) resists to SDF.
Good work and best regards, Geosapiens ( talk) 13:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/699951505630056449 Neutral sources still confirm that Mare' remains under rebel control, the proposed deal to hand over to SDF was sabotaged by Turkey and Saudi who refused to allow the rebels to retreat. 82.153.113.72 ( talk) 14:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
The SDF is NOT in Mare'. Al-Monitor and Taştekin, in particular, are (generally) good sources -- but in this case I would go with CizireCanton. They ARE Kurds/SDF, after all, and they are showing both Mare (Mari') and Kafr Khashir to be rebel-controlled as of February 17, 2016. Please revert both to 'green'. ViewObjective ( talk) 06:08, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Rasm Al-Nafal is captured by Jund Al-Aksa not ISIS, therefore the dot should be green not black.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/latest-battlefield-update-from-raqqa-aleppo-countryside-map/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.0.135.214 ( talk) 07:38, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
ISIS, rebels attack the Syrian Army together in southeast Aleppo [ [37]] Oroszka ( talk) 11:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
This map needs a scala, to give a sense about distances. -- 212.75.52.4 ( talk) 11:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)MapMaker
Pro-regime source Al Masdar News says Daesh has captured Khanaser village just now. Please change icon from contested to black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:8301:8D74:B959:27E6:5396:A122 ( talk) 12:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The villages on the right side of the road need to be changed to ISIS control because it doesn't make logic, according to now, ISIS atacked the road from Rebel controled area and not from the right side of the road, because those villages are still marked as Gov. held.
There are many reports on Twitter saying that the rebels in Marea defected to ISIS and handed the city over to them. https://www.facebook.com/syria24english/photos/a.298390980196691.60683.298382103530912/984368704932245/?type=1&theater — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.228.13 ( talk) 00:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)