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Hopefully in the next week or two I will be adding some good new images of contrabass trombones in both F and B♭ to commons for use here. — Jon ( talk) 00:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the history and construction sections are a bit muddled; the discussion of the invention of the double slide should go in history, and construction should be about the features of the modern F and B♭ instruments (bell, bore, valves, slide, etc.) I had the see-also link to the cimbasso article applying only to the discussion of the cimbasso in Italy, which now doesn't have a section title. Jon ( talk) 22:03, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
author1 = Herbert, Trevor
or similar, to align with whatever citation style the article may already be using. That said, if Cite Q is used for all of the references, then the author names will all be displayed consistently as (e.g.) "Trevor Herbert". (Update: there, I just added the Google Books ID to Trevor Herbert's "The Trombone" book,
Q111039091) —
Jon (
talk)
00:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)I've converted the use of Cite Q templates in this article to be inline. Please note Cite Q won't work correctly with short form refs, an issue I have raised at the Cite Q template talk page and has not been fixed. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 14:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Bruxton (
talk)
17:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Jonathanischoice ( talk). Self-nominated at 10:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Contrabass trombone; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Hook eligibility:
It has also enjoyed a revival particularly in film and video game soundtracks, due to the influence of Los Angeles session players Phil Teele, Bill Reichenbach, Bob Sanders and others.. (2) You provided a thesis as your reference can you indicate the page
Image eligibility:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: see above FuzzyMagma ( talk) 13:08, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
update citation to be the same as that in the article. The hook has also been updated, so there's now alignment between hook and article. Schwede 66 23:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
upright
parameter, but if you're going to fail it otherwise then go ahead. —
Jon (
talk)
21:50, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
It has also enjoyed a revival particularly in film and video game soundtracksis very ambiguous, i.e., "it also" can maen "the 1980s" which is not true or in general or currently which is true (see page 48) . Can you please propose alternative hooks (please do not amend the original hook):
You know what? Feel free to make up your own hook; I'm not sure what you're accusing me of. I thought the "hook" was supposed to be a sentence out of the article? If you want a sentence from one of the sources, then that's a different requirement, but either way it's not well documented. What exactly is the source for, when we are pointing the reader at articles full of sources anyway? I'd actually prefer not to be involved at this point, this is just weird. — Jon ( talk) 05:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the contrabass trombone (pictured) has experienced a revival in film and video game soundtracks? Source: Kifer, Shelby Alan (May 2020). The Contrabass Trombone: Into the Twenty-First Century (DMA thesis). University of Iowa. p. 48. doi: 10.17077/etd.005304. Retrieved 21 April 2022.
@ Esolomon: (following from Facebook discussion) the sources I've dug up so far all seem to start with Dehmel's 1921 F with two valves, with no mention of previous single-valve Fs; Yeo mentions Kruspe B♭/F bass trombones with E♭ stellventil. [1] There is also (note to self) little information here about Thein, and none about Ben van Dijk, who surely deserve a mention for having done much to develop the instrument since the 1970s. I also missed out Kunitz's 1959 valve/lever patent. Heinrich Thein's two-part article in the 1978 Brass Bulletin might be a good start, [2] [3] and there's an article about Ben in the ITA Journal. [4] I'd also like (someone?!) to record the Spear motif and drop it on Commons when I get time! — Jon ( talk) 04:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
References
Jon ( talk) 04:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Jonathan, have you noticed that an IP has removed the infobox image? Is their rationale correct? Schwede 66 01:35, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
Contrabass trombone has been listed as one of the
Music good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: April 2, 2023. ( Reviewed version). |
A fact from Contrabass trombone appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 2 May 2023 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
|
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
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Hopefully in the next week or two I will be adding some good new images of contrabass trombones in both F and B♭ to commons for use here. — Jon ( talk) 00:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the history and construction sections are a bit muddled; the discussion of the invention of the double slide should go in history, and construction should be about the features of the modern F and B♭ instruments (bell, bore, valves, slide, etc.) I had the see-also link to the cimbasso article applying only to the discussion of the cimbasso in Italy, which now doesn't have a section title. Jon ( talk) 22:03, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
author1 = Herbert, Trevor
or similar, to align with whatever citation style the article may already be using. That said, if Cite Q is used for all of the references, then the author names will all be displayed consistently as (e.g.) "Trevor Herbert". (Update: there, I just added the Google Books ID to Trevor Herbert's "The Trombone" book,
Q111039091) —
Jon (
talk)
00:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)I've converted the use of Cite Q templates in this article to be inline. Please note Cite Q won't work correctly with short form refs, an issue I have raised at the Cite Q template talk page and has not been fixed. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 14:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Bruxton (
talk)
17:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Jonathanischoice ( talk). Self-nominated at 10:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Contrabass trombone; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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|
Hook eligibility:
It has also enjoyed a revival particularly in film and video game soundtracks, due to the influence of Los Angeles session players Phil Teele, Bill Reichenbach, Bob Sanders and others.. (2) You provided a thesis as your reference can you indicate the page
Image eligibility:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: see above FuzzyMagma ( talk) 13:08, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
update citation to be the same as that in the article. The hook has also been updated, so there's now alignment between hook and article. Schwede 66 23:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
upright
parameter, but if you're going to fail it otherwise then go ahead. —
Jon (
talk)
21:50, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
It has also enjoyed a revival particularly in film and video game soundtracksis very ambiguous, i.e., "it also" can maen "the 1980s" which is not true or in general or currently which is true (see page 48) . Can you please propose alternative hooks (please do not amend the original hook):
You know what? Feel free to make up your own hook; I'm not sure what you're accusing me of. I thought the "hook" was supposed to be a sentence out of the article? If you want a sentence from one of the sources, then that's a different requirement, but either way it's not well documented. What exactly is the source for, when we are pointing the reader at articles full of sources anyway? I'd actually prefer not to be involved at this point, this is just weird. — Jon ( talk) 05:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the contrabass trombone (pictured) has experienced a revival in film and video game soundtracks? Source: Kifer, Shelby Alan (May 2020). The Contrabass Trombone: Into the Twenty-First Century (DMA thesis). University of Iowa. p. 48. doi: 10.17077/etd.005304. Retrieved 21 April 2022.
@ Esolomon: (following from Facebook discussion) the sources I've dug up so far all seem to start with Dehmel's 1921 F with two valves, with no mention of previous single-valve Fs; Yeo mentions Kruspe B♭/F bass trombones with E♭ stellventil. [1] There is also (note to self) little information here about Thein, and none about Ben van Dijk, who surely deserve a mention for having done much to develop the instrument since the 1970s. I also missed out Kunitz's 1959 valve/lever patent. Heinrich Thein's two-part article in the 1978 Brass Bulletin might be a good start, [2] [3] and there's an article about Ben in the ITA Journal. [4] I'd also like (someone?!) to record the Spear motif and drop it on Commons when I get time! — Jon ( talk) 04:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
References
Jon ( talk) 04:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Jonathan, have you noticed that an IP has removed the infobox image? Is their rationale correct? Schwede 66 01:35, 4 September 2023 (UTC)