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The article states that first VHF contest was the ARRL VHF Sweepstakes held in 1948. I'm almost certain that the RSGB sponsored contests on the 5 metre/56 MHz band in the UK before the Second World War. Will check. Gerry Lynch 16:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I have added a note about its amateur radio use on the Cabrillo disambiguation page with a redirect to this page. Is it worth adding a description of this and related contest logging formats on here? Dsergeant 07:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC) (G3YMC)
I am not sure why we have a separate page for VHF contesting. If we do, why do we not have one for HF contesting? This page covers both quite well as it is and VHF radio contest has little new. Its example is very specific to USA contests, European contests follow a different format. Rather than a merger I propose that VHF radio contest is simply deleted. Dsergeant 06:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Makes much more sense to make a single page for contesting with subsections for HF vs. VHF and if the page gets too big then split them into separate topics. Williamwells 21:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC) de WW5X
Can anyone stop the anti-contest lobby from adding this non-neutral text repeatedly? Time to get productive... JurgenG ( talk) 13:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
It's amazing that anybody who dares to criticize the actions of the selfish, bullying contesters who stamp all over ordinary ops, are called anti-contest and biased! Sounds like a comment from any of the notable dictators in the world. Maybe they are all contests ops in their spare time? Seems like the RSGB has woken up to the selfish bullying tactics of _some_ contesters - see radCom Jan 2008 p7. A minor victory in the 'war' as _you_ call it. Maybe we should have a party when the first selfish, bullying contesters are disqualified. I will even buy the beer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.79.50 ( talk) 22:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I presume that you're referring to the comment "Due to the lack of international governance, contest rules do not necessarily require entrants to comply with international band plans and other operating standards. For this reason, amateur radio contests often result in friction between participants and other users of the amateur service." This comment is not necessarily 'anti-contest' - but it does reflect the problems often encountered on the HF amateur bands these days. If you are in any doubt, several references can be found in the journals of national amateur radio societies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.136.5 ( talk) 06:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
All this talk of 'edit war' and 'anti-contest lobby' in the earlier thread is nonsense. The issue is about presenting a fair description of contesting. This page is not 'owned' by the promoters of contesting, and it needs to present both the upsides, and the downsides of this aspect of the hobby. Rather than edit the previous topic title, I've started this new thread.
So Mr Sergeant Major 'untruths' are anything that you disagree with eh? Why are contesters so afraid of the real truth? Why do you want to perpetuate an image that is totally different from the reality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.56.249 ( talk) 16:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Such a simple outlook you have. Total number of hams worldwide is ~ 2,000,000 max participants in CQWW contests is ~65,000 = 3.25% Which is hardly a big majority. And I guess contesters would be anti 'ragchewing' and any other NORMAL ham radio activity especially when there are contests on - you would not want the vast majority of ordinary hams taking up valuable bandwidth which might stop you getting points now would you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.80.221 ( talk) 16:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
But Mr Sergeant, Wiki should not be forum to present YOUR views. That is the whole point. You continue to peddle a view of contesting that is totally biased, inaccurate and completely one sided. Why are you SO afraid of telling it how it is? There are many many people out here who have been driven off the bands by lunatic, selfish, bullying contesters. Yes, there are some of us who are vocal but I know of lots of others who have just gone quietly. That is NOT, under any circumstances, what ham radio should be and it is not what the traditions of the hobby were founded on. So, come clean, admit there is a problem and air it fully.
Is this [1] revision NPOV or not? Proponents and opponents of contesting don't seem to agree.
The fact that one group even wants this RfC removed proves indeed that they don't even want to discuss this... JurgenG ( talk) 07:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
First, getting all your mates to back you up is not democracy neither is it a discussion. If you really want a debate on this issue then you need to include all the ham community, worldwide. Talking of which, just because a contest attracts people from all over the world i.e. is worldwide, does not mean that it is majority pursuit. The numbers involved in such contests is a VERY small percentage of the world ham population.
Second, the REAL debate is not whether this or that is included here but is about the damage caused a small minority of selfish, bullying hams. You can try to ignore this, and that includes not admitting it happens i.e. presenting a rosy view of contesting here, but you, ‘as a group’ need to face up to the fact that your activities stop others from pursuing their hobby. You can squirm and slide around this point all you want but sooner or later you will HAVE to deal with this issue.
The answer is very simple indeed ''''''MAKE ADHERENCE TO BAND PLANS A CONDITION OF ENTRY FOR ALL CONTESTS''''''. That would show you really do care about democracy, free speech and fellow hams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.14.209 ( talk) 08:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
And you, and your mates, are presenting a view of contesting that suits your aims - hardly fit for an 'encyclopedia'. How can you say that what you are doing is any different? You clearly want to present a one sided view that does not included anything that counters the rosy view you peddle. Oh, and BTW, it is not just the band plan thing, it is about time contesters took responsibility for their actions and recognised the problems they cause, adhering to band plans would be a start. So why not include that in your text? What are you afraid of? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.37.240 ( talk) 17:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Again, what you write here is a partisan viewpoint that does not address the weight and serious of the complaints against contesters. This is in breach of the impartiality required by Wiki as it is written by contesters who want to present a particular viewpoint that supports, condones and maintains their stance. It does not present a full and accurate IMPARTIAL view of the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.143.187 ( talk) 15:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It can only ever be a partial description if you fail to include anything about the problems that contests cause. Even when one of your group made a slight concession to that a few weeks back his edit was removed. Squirm all you like but while you continue to exclude the realities of contesting this entry will never be an honest and complete account of the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.61.47 ( talk) 21:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Sigh! But the reality is that every time contesters invade a band, ignore band plans, ignore requests to move out of segments that are not allocated to the mode they are using, the chances of ordinary ops have a contact is ruined. This happens SO often that it forces people off the air. Yes I know band plans are voluntary but that is the point, contesters CHOOSE to ignore them which shows they have no respect for other hams. This causes a LOT of resentment. At least the RSGB has finally recognised the problem, it is just a real shame for ham radio that the majority of contesters continue their selfish and irresponsible behaviour. This issue SHOULD be included here as it presents a FULL picture of contesting and not just a rosy view! No entry in an 'encyclopedia' should be written by enthusiasts with an axe to grind; it should be BALANCED AND IMPARTIAL.
REMINDER: This talk page is NOT for discussion of amateur radio contesting. This talk page is for the discussion of the article in Wikipedia. Please keep discussions here pertinent to the article ONLY. Not bandplans, rules, contesters vs. emcomm, or anything else. The discussions here MUST relate to the article. Mdechris ( talk) 23:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
This article opens "Contesting (also known as radiosport)..." - does that mean the two articles should be merged? If not, what's the difference between them? -- McGeddon ( talk) 20:15, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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The article states that first VHF contest was the ARRL VHF Sweepstakes held in 1948. I'm almost certain that the RSGB sponsored contests on the 5 metre/56 MHz band in the UK before the Second World War. Will check. Gerry Lynch 16:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I have added a note about its amateur radio use on the Cabrillo disambiguation page with a redirect to this page. Is it worth adding a description of this and related contest logging formats on here? Dsergeant 07:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC) (G3YMC)
I am not sure why we have a separate page for VHF contesting. If we do, why do we not have one for HF contesting? This page covers both quite well as it is and VHF radio contest has little new. Its example is very specific to USA contests, European contests follow a different format. Rather than a merger I propose that VHF radio contest is simply deleted. Dsergeant 06:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Makes much more sense to make a single page for contesting with subsections for HF vs. VHF and if the page gets too big then split them into separate topics. Williamwells 21:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC) de WW5X
Can anyone stop the anti-contest lobby from adding this non-neutral text repeatedly? Time to get productive... JurgenG ( talk) 13:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
It's amazing that anybody who dares to criticize the actions of the selfish, bullying contesters who stamp all over ordinary ops, are called anti-contest and biased! Sounds like a comment from any of the notable dictators in the world. Maybe they are all contests ops in their spare time? Seems like the RSGB has woken up to the selfish bullying tactics of _some_ contesters - see radCom Jan 2008 p7. A minor victory in the 'war' as _you_ call it. Maybe we should have a party when the first selfish, bullying contesters are disqualified. I will even buy the beer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.79.50 ( talk) 22:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I presume that you're referring to the comment "Due to the lack of international governance, contest rules do not necessarily require entrants to comply with international band plans and other operating standards. For this reason, amateur radio contests often result in friction between participants and other users of the amateur service." This comment is not necessarily 'anti-contest' - but it does reflect the problems often encountered on the HF amateur bands these days. If you are in any doubt, several references can be found in the journals of national amateur radio societies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.136.5 ( talk) 06:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
All this talk of 'edit war' and 'anti-contest lobby' in the earlier thread is nonsense. The issue is about presenting a fair description of contesting. This page is not 'owned' by the promoters of contesting, and it needs to present both the upsides, and the downsides of this aspect of the hobby. Rather than edit the previous topic title, I've started this new thread.
So Mr Sergeant Major 'untruths' are anything that you disagree with eh? Why are contesters so afraid of the real truth? Why do you want to perpetuate an image that is totally different from the reality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.56.249 ( talk) 16:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Such a simple outlook you have. Total number of hams worldwide is ~ 2,000,000 max participants in CQWW contests is ~65,000 = 3.25% Which is hardly a big majority. And I guess contesters would be anti 'ragchewing' and any other NORMAL ham radio activity especially when there are contests on - you would not want the vast majority of ordinary hams taking up valuable bandwidth which might stop you getting points now would you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.80.221 ( talk) 16:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
But Mr Sergeant, Wiki should not be forum to present YOUR views. That is the whole point. You continue to peddle a view of contesting that is totally biased, inaccurate and completely one sided. Why are you SO afraid of telling it how it is? There are many many people out here who have been driven off the bands by lunatic, selfish, bullying contesters. Yes, there are some of us who are vocal but I know of lots of others who have just gone quietly. That is NOT, under any circumstances, what ham radio should be and it is not what the traditions of the hobby were founded on. So, come clean, admit there is a problem and air it fully.
Is this [1] revision NPOV or not? Proponents and opponents of contesting don't seem to agree.
The fact that one group even wants this RfC removed proves indeed that they don't even want to discuss this... JurgenG ( talk) 07:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
First, getting all your mates to back you up is not democracy neither is it a discussion. If you really want a debate on this issue then you need to include all the ham community, worldwide. Talking of which, just because a contest attracts people from all over the world i.e. is worldwide, does not mean that it is majority pursuit. The numbers involved in such contests is a VERY small percentage of the world ham population.
Second, the REAL debate is not whether this or that is included here but is about the damage caused a small minority of selfish, bullying hams. You can try to ignore this, and that includes not admitting it happens i.e. presenting a rosy view of contesting here, but you, ‘as a group’ need to face up to the fact that your activities stop others from pursuing their hobby. You can squirm and slide around this point all you want but sooner or later you will HAVE to deal with this issue.
The answer is very simple indeed ''''''MAKE ADHERENCE TO BAND PLANS A CONDITION OF ENTRY FOR ALL CONTESTS''''''. That would show you really do care about democracy, free speech and fellow hams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.14.209 ( talk) 08:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
And you, and your mates, are presenting a view of contesting that suits your aims - hardly fit for an 'encyclopedia'. How can you say that what you are doing is any different? You clearly want to present a one sided view that does not included anything that counters the rosy view you peddle. Oh, and BTW, it is not just the band plan thing, it is about time contesters took responsibility for their actions and recognised the problems they cause, adhering to band plans would be a start. So why not include that in your text? What are you afraid of? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.37.240 ( talk) 17:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Again, what you write here is a partisan viewpoint that does not address the weight and serious of the complaints against contesters. This is in breach of the impartiality required by Wiki as it is written by contesters who want to present a particular viewpoint that supports, condones and maintains their stance. It does not present a full and accurate IMPARTIAL view of the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.143.187 ( talk) 15:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It can only ever be a partial description if you fail to include anything about the problems that contests cause. Even when one of your group made a slight concession to that a few weeks back his edit was removed. Squirm all you like but while you continue to exclude the realities of contesting this entry will never be an honest and complete account of the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.61.47 ( talk) 21:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Sigh! But the reality is that every time contesters invade a band, ignore band plans, ignore requests to move out of segments that are not allocated to the mode they are using, the chances of ordinary ops have a contact is ruined. This happens SO often that it forces people off the air. Yes I know band plans are voluntary but that is the point, contesters CHOOSE to ignore them which shows they have no respect for other hams. This causes a LOT of resentment. At least the RSGB has finally recognised the problem, it is just a real shame for ham radio that the majority of contesters continue their selfish and irresponsible behaviour. This issue SHOULD be included here as it presents a FULL picture of contesting and not just a rosy view! No entry in an 'encyclopedia' should be written by enthusiasts with an axe to grind; it should be BALANCED AND IMPARTIAL.
REMINDER: This talk page is NOT for discussion of amateur radio contesting. This talk page is for the discussion of the article in Wikipedia. Please keep discussions here pertinent to the article ONLY. Not bandplans, rules, contesters vs. emcomm, or anything else. The discussions here MUST relate to the article. Mdechris ( talk) 23:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
This article opens "Contesting (also known as radiosport)..." - does that mean the two articles should be merged? If not, what's the difference between them? -- McGeddon ( talk) 20:15, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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