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What does "It also contains mild language, but not strong" mean? This sentence needs revision for style, and it also needs an explanation or a reference to what "language" means.
Synopsis is horribly done. It does not mention Constantine's assistants at all, nothing about the neutral club with the old man who has mysterious powers, nearly nothing about the Detective(the account makes it seem like the detective appeared, wanted to know whether her sister commited sucide, and thats it.....its a lot more than that). This is hardly an accurate account of the movie. -- Question2
The similarity between the games, Max Payne and Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne with the film is quite startling. Even down to the hospital ward scenes, the street scenes, the retro bowling alley, the cough suppressant, the voice of Constantine, and the portrayal of Angela Dodson. I'm seriously wondering if a someone from the game design team was on the crew for the film (or the game designers were influenced by Hellblazer). I'm also curious if the film used the Havok physics engine, which was used in Max Payne 2 and The Matrix Reloaded. FWIW, Dan Cayer and Matt Jacobs, lead compositors for Constantine, worked on The Matrix Revolutions. -- Viriditas | Talk 11:26, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If you stay after the credits, it'll reveal that Chaz (killed by an angel) is actually an angel. It was said in the film that God and the devil could not interact directly with the lives of humans but could use ‘influence’. So it can be said that Chaz was an angel sent by God to influence Constantine’s life to make the right decision.
Also, there is some speculation (as refered to briefly in this article) about whether Chas is taking the place of Gabreil as he is dressed as she is come the film's close; or whether that's how all angels dress. Since we see no angels other than Gabriel and Chas in the movie, there is no evidence to support either fact. -Captain Jack
does anyone object to expanding the plot, it seems lacking in its current state RyanM651 ( talk) 02:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I notice that while there are sections covering the different types of demons in the film as well as the nifty occult toys, there is no production section, and there is no reception section. These are both needed in order to prevent the article from being seen as some odd fan-gushing. The aforementioned 'demons' and 'weapons' sections have been removed, as they are significantly in-universe, and appear nowhere outside the purview of the film. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 09:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Will someone PLEASE expand on this article? Honestly, you can find out more about this movie from the IMDB than on here.
I added the vermin demon in the demon section, and also put the Amityville Screech Beetle in the weapons section. The "holy light" John uses against scavenger demons, by the way, is revealed in the game to be part of Moses' shroud, but I didn't put this in as it isn't named in the film. Would it be acceptable to put it in, and then put the game as a reference? 81.103.167.237 17:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I think Moses' shroud should be added. It is revealed on the DVD extras that the cloth is part of Moses' shroud; the scene where Beeman brings Constantine his new toys was originally supposed to be longer and include this explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.190.111.239 ( talk) 10:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I've taken a look at the source for this page and I don't know what's wrong with the movie poster. Whoever put it up made it come out twice, it seems. Can anyone fix this? JHMM13 ( T | C) 22:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
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Why is Gabriel female? This confuses me as much as naming an angel after a Norse god in Dogma.
1. Gabriel is also a Judeo-Christian angel 2. Angels do not have a sex. That is why in the movie Gabriel looks so much like a feminised man. So Gabriel is not a woman and not a man.
And (I'm not sure about this, but thought I'd mention it) I think the Bible presents angels as being a completely different creature than mankind, ergo not necessarily bound by the human concept of different sexes. Alternately, making Gabriel female could be an smirking slap at the basic concepts of Christianity in which the male figure is often the major figure to the exclussion of the female. (because technically, the Bible never says anything about whether or not angels are male or female, but most people assume that they are male) -- Silvermoonburn 01:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
also, I'm not sure if they had any specific actors or actresses in mind when they were writing the part of Gabriel but if they had been thinking of the actress in the film (Tilda Swinton, also the White Witch in "Narnia"), then they may have simply written the part for Swinton directly, and made Gabriel female becuase it fitted with their choice of actor. -Captain Jack
I don't recall it saying anywhere that it is THE archangel. Hell, even Constantine calls her(it) a halfbreed. If it was really the archangel, it would violate the "rules" or whatever and certainly Lucifer would know. Am I the only one of the opinion that Gabriel is just a coincidence and nothing more? Tim 04:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
From what I recall, from some obscure interview with the director or writer or producer, Swinton was cast and made up to portray Gabriel as androgynous, which is why she wears modest makeup and dresses in men's suits. Imacphee ( talk) 03:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
By the end of the film, Gabriel becomes human. She is clearly shown as a female human, so it makes sense to refer to her as such within the bounds of this film. 71.58.243.37 ( talk) 21:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/constan2.php
Tilda talks about Gabriel as a 'woman'. Food for thought. Lots42 ( talk) 02:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
To Whom It May Concern: Gabriel is whatever gender the MOVIE says Gabriel is. If in fact, the movie says so. This will be my last comment on the topic. Lots42 ( talk) 11:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I see there's still a problem over Gabby's gender. Lots42 ( talk) 18:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
NO. Angels don't reproduce sexually. They simply exist. Gender is not an issue. Only animals reproduce sexually, and angels, demons, gods and devils are not animals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.30.13 ( talk) 04:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
But the character Gabriel in the film is one of those 'half-breeds' that live on earth in human form, therefore it would have a gender.. or at least assume one >.> 07:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding
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Is the link to the Jamie Delano interview relevant at all to this article?
It doesn't discuss the movie in any way, shape, or form. It hardly even mentions the comic except in passing.-- MythicFox 22:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Here's a tidbit to track down, something I was told by one of the producers so perhaps there's an outside source for it somewhere: the film was shot in an attempt to get a PG-13 rating. That is why there is almost no gore and very little profanity. Yet, the MPAA gave them an R rating.
When the producers asked why, they were told that it was because they had "demons" in the film. They pointed out that the Lord of the Rings films had trolls and orcs in them, to which the person at the MPAA replied, "Yes, but those aren't real." He wasn't kidding. RoyBatty42 08:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
In the differences section it mentions that he was sentenced to hell for a successful suicide, but as he is still alive does that not mean his attempt was unsuccessful? Stewiechewie 21:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Well his suicide was successful, and he went to hell. He was revived and has been trying to not go back to hell, which is why he was trying to buy his way into heaven by exorcising demons.
JoeyFNK
22:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
But as he was revived his suicide attempt was unsuccessful, he tried to end his life but is still alive Ssm777 ( talk) 23:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi! In the german version Midnite said before he said a prayer for Chaz, that Constantine shall kill Chaz after he helped him... Is that translation wrong? If not: What does it mean? Why should Chaz die? -- Homer Landskirty ( talk) 18:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Do we need the weapons section? Lots42 ( talk) 02:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I would like to know more about the auto-gun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.172.86 ( talk) 02:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
The article says John asks for divine intervention and doesn't receive it. This should be changed to say he doesn't receive it DIRECTLY. Watch the entire scene with the devil. In the end, John gets what he wants, Gabriel is stopped, Mammon returns to Hell, the sister's soul goes to Heaven, and his cancer is gone. If that isn't divine intervention, I don't know what is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.30.13 ( talk) 04:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The comma splices make this article harder to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.172.86 ( talk) 02:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Per a request at the Assessment department (sorry for the delay), I'm reviewing the article to determine if it meets the B-class criteria. The article needs to be expanded, and the plot significantly cut down (it should be more than 700 words). A lot of the screenshots in the article are decorative and should be removed (the Hell screenshot can probably stay). Try to add details about critical reception, soundtrack, production, etc. If you have questions about any of these, let me know. Once the above issues have been addressed, please renominate. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 02:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I feel that due to the back and forth editing on this topic, that this needs to be settled immediately.
Let it be established and known that Gabriel, the angel as depicted in the film, is NOT Female nor is Gabriel Male. Gabriel is a purely androgynous figure. Gabriel is also NOT the same as the Arch-Angel Gabriel as depicted in The Bible.
This has been established over a number of mediums including the film, the novelization, as well as multiple reviewers as well as observers, a few of which I will line up right now:
I'll even point you to the exact point in which the book describes Gabriel: Page 69, Shirley, John (25 January 2005), Constantine (Mass Market Paperback), Pocket Star, ISBN 0743497554 - "The semblance wore a cream-colored Armani suit... Pretilly pale, startling green eyes. Body as feminine as masculine. An androgyne. Constantine knew that this androgynous..."
What do all these have in common? Not one mentions Gabriel as an "Arch-Angel" nor does anyone mention Gabriel as male or female. They all mention Gabriel as Androgynous, or Gender-Neutral.
The problem here is that everyone seems to be ignoring the views as portrayed in the film and inserting their own. The biggest example of this came most recently from this edit: "Gabriel, while played by a woman to make him androgynous, is male. All angels depicted in scripture, including Gabriel, are male."
What the bible depicts and what the film depicts are two different things. Generically, we would refer to this as Artistic license, but granted the situation in that covers a biblical figure, we could also interpret it as just another interpretation of the work which is quite clearly what was made by the user of the above edit.
Hopefully this clears things up and ends the back and forth. Please feel free to refer to this if necessary. If anyone would like to discuss this, please do so here but let us keep the edit war out of it. Thank you. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② talk 04:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
As I'm sure is obvious from the history of the article, the past few edits between myself and the user, User:Undead penguin have been not much more than a back and forth series of "edit, revert, edit, revert...". I would like to explain my reasoning for my reversions, while hopefully giving Undead penguin a chance to explain theirs. I also seek the assistance of a neutral third party in accordance with the wikipedia policy of Dispute Resolution.
I'll begin with a basic synopsis: The dispute in question is in relation to the plot of the Constantine article which has seen many issues since this articles inception. With regards to this, the size of the plot section has seen variable change, leading to expansion, compaction, and subsequent re-expansion to encompass more detail fitting with the outlined manual of style of a good films article within the scope of WP:FILMS as well as the numerous film projects which this film is within the scope of including but not limited to those listed at the top of this talk page. It has been observed that the section was appropriately expanded, then cleaned up to match such. Now I personally felt that the section in question was adequate as it was and, with the exception of some minor compaction and cleanup, focus needed to be shifted over to other parts of the article such as the production, reception, and lead section.
However, based on observations of their edits, it can be inferred that the user User:Undead penguin believes differently and [ believes that not only am I trying to own this article, something I have adamantly refuted] but that it is inherently too long and redundant. I disagree, personally, citing Manual of Style for Films (including the names of the actors next to the first mention of a character, something which has been removed by Undead penguin), as well as the destruction of sentence structure and grammar which has been seen quite clearly through the edit history and the current state of the article which I have reverted because it simply is not accurate not does it fit. Now, when it comes to Film plots, it has long been established that sometimes, we must ignore all rules and be bold, a practice which I have long attempted to follow, but when you take an essential plot point such as Constantine's exorcisms of demons for personal gain - a point which was reiterated quite adamantly throughout the entire film, or remove other points which are essential to the character description in addition to points necessary to the plot (Constantine's ability to see ghost or the fact that he had previously exorcised a demon that very day, for example).
With that said, I have - as previously stated - reverted the article once more to its condition prior to the edits of Undead penguin, as although I understand that these are good faith edits (the user is also trying to improve the article), I cannot in good conscience let it stay in that condition. The floor is, of course, open to further discussion by the involved party and one or more intermediary parties as is necessary. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② talk 20:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
“ | While it is hard to quantify a strict word limit, since no two articles are equal, for films, Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines offers guidance that "plot summaries for feature films should be between 400 and 700 words"; Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Style guidelines recommends "100–200 words; upwards of 350 words for complex storylines" for television episodes; and for novels Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Style guidelines says that plot summaries "should aim to be no more than three or four paragraphs". | ” |
Considering u didnt pay attention to any of my argument, why should i respond. but i will. i never said constantine is mammon's portal. it is said in the movie, angela is. 1) bc u have a demon in the begining trying to force its way out of a child, and oh idk, mammon was trying to do that with angela at the end of the movie. not only that, um the movie completely changed much of the base story of constantine, and in it, yes he can see ghosts, but in the movie, he says he can see demons and angels, NOT GHOSTS. also, i didnt read those articles you mention, but to fit guidelines, yes they should be cut down plus this article is too long anyway even without guidelines. not only that, i didnt remove actors names, i only removed redundant statments. it is clear that you are not even paying attention to what details are removed and only upset because i am changing something in a way you do not like, which i find petty and insulting. also the movie refers to it as the Spear repeatedly and only say The Spear of Destiny twice. why would someone in their right mind keep saying the full name over and over again. shortening it to the spear, sense its already established what it is, does in no way reduce its significance, it just saves space and time in reading. not only that but, it is refered to as the spear repeatedly in the movie. also considering the grammarical mistakes that were in there before i even touched it, mentioning my changing of grammar that i constantly improve on when i make a mistake, is hypocritcal. Undead penguin ( talk) 22:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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Here are a few suggestions for resolving the dispute on the article:
I'd like to hear from both of you regarding these questions:
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I'm opening this topic as a repository for trivia in case a trivia section is ever added. As it's inaugural item, I believe the Spear of Destiny prop used in this movie is patterned after the Hofburg Spear, which is pictured in the Wikipedia article about The Holy Lance. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legionaireb ( talk • contribs) 02:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
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What does "It also contains mild language, but not strong" mean? This sentence needs revision for style, and it also needs an explanation or a reference to what "language" means.
Synopsis is horribly done. It does not mention Constantine's assistants at all, nothing about the neutral club with the old man who has mysterious powers, nearly nothing about the Detective(the account makes it seem like the detective appeared, wanted to know whether her sister commited sucide, and thats it.....its a lot more than that). This is hardly an accurate account of the movie. -- Question2
The similarity between the games, Max Payne and Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne with the film is quite startling. Even down to the hospital ward scenes, the street scenes, the retro bowling alley, the cough suppressant, the voice of Constantine, and the portrayal of Angela Dodson. I'm seriously wondering if a someone from the game design team was on the crew for the film (or the game designers were influenced by Hellblazer). I'm also curious if the film used the Havok physics engine, which was used in Max Payne 2 and The Matrix Reloaded. FWIW, Dan Cayer and Matt Jacobs, lead compositors for Constantine, worked on The Matrix Revolutions. -- Viriditas | Talk 11:26, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If you stay after the credits, it'll reveal that Chaz (killed by an angel) is actually an angel. It was said in the film that God and the devil could not interact directly with the lives of humans but could use ‘influence’. So it can be said that Chaz was an angel sent by God to influence Constantine’s life to make the right decision.
Also, there is some speculation (as refered to briefly in this article) about whether Chas is taking the place of Gabreil as he is dressed as she is come the film's close; or whether that's how all angels dress. Since we see no angels other than Gabriel and Chas in the movie, there is no evidence to support either fact. -Captain Jack
does anyone object to expanding the plot, it seems lacking in its current state RyanM651 ( talk) 02:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I notice that while there are sections covering the different types of demons in the film as well as the nifty occult toys, there is no production section, and there is no reception section. These are both needed in order to prevent the article from being seen as some odd fan-gushing. The aforementioned 'demons' and 'weapons' sections have been removed, as they are significantly in-universe, and appear nowhere outside the purview of the film. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 09:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Will someone PLEASE expand on this article? Honestly, you can find out more about this movie from the IMDB than on here.
I added the vermin demon in the demon section, and also put the Amityville Screech Beetle in the weapons section. The "holy light" John uses against scavenger demons, by the way, is revealed in the game to be part of Moses' shroud, but I didn't put this in as it isn't named in the film. Would it be acceptable to put it in, and then put the game as a reference? 81.103.167.237 17:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I think Moses' shroud should be added. It is revealed on the DVD extras that the cloth is part of Moses' shroud; the scene where Beeman brings Constantine his new toys was originally supposed to be longer and include this explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.190.111.239 ( talk) 10:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I've taken a look at the source for this page and I don't know what's wrong with the movie poster. Whoever put it up made it come out twice, it seems. Can anyone fix this? JHMM13 ( T | C) 22:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
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Why is Gabriel female? This confuses me as much as naming an angel after a Norse god in Dogma.
1. Gabriel is also a Judeo-Christian angel 2. Angels do not have a sex. That is why in the movie Gabriel looks so much like a feminised man. So Gabriel is not a woman and not a man.
And (I'm not sure about this, but thought I'd mention it) I think the Bible presents angels as being a completely different creature than mankind, ergo not necessarily bound by the human concept of different sexes. Alternately, making Gabriel female could be an smirking slap at the basic concepts of Christianity in which the male figure is often the major figure to the exclussion of the female. (because technically, the Bible never says anything about whether or not angels are male or female, but most people assume that they are male) -- Silvermoonburn 01:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
also, I'm not sure if they had any specific actors or actresses in mind when they were writing the part of Gabriel but if they had been thinking of the actress in the film (Tilda Swinton, also the White Witch in "Narnia"), then they may have simply written the part for Swinton directly, and made Gabriel female becuase it fitted with their choice of actor. -Captain Jack
I don't recall it saying anywhere that it is THE archangel. Hell, even Constantine calls her(it) a halfbreed. If it was really the archangel, it would violate the "rules" or whatever and certainly Lucifer would know. Am I the only one of the opinion that Gabriel is just a coincidence and nothing more? Tim 04:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
From what I recall, from some obscure interview with the director or writer or producer, Swinton was cast and made up to portray Gabriel as androgynous, which is why she wears modest makeup and dresses in men's suits. Imacphee ( talk) 03:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
By the end of the film, Gabriel becomes human. She is clearly shown as a female human, so it makes sense to refer to her as such within the bounds of this film. 71.58.243.37 ( talk) 21:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/constan2.php
Tilda talks about Gabriel as a 'woman'. Food for thought. Lots42 ( talk) 02:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
To Whom It May Concern: Gabriel is whatever gender the MOVIE says Gabriel is. If in fact, the movie says so. This will be my last comment on the topic. Lots42 ( talk) 11:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I see there's still a problem over Gabby's gender. Lots42 ( talk) 18:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
NO. Angels don't reproduce sexually. They simply exist. Gender is not an issue. Only animals reproduce sexually, and angels, demons, gods and devils are not animals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.30.13 ( talk) 04:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
But the character Gabriel in the film is one of those 'half-breeds' that live on earth in human form, therefore it would have a gender.. or at least assume one >.> 07:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding
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Is the link to the Jamie Delano interview relevant at all to this article?
It doesn't discuss the movie in any way, shape, or form. It hardly even mentions the comic except in passing.-- MythicFox 22:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Here's a tidbit to track down, something I was told by one of the producers so perhaps there's an outside source for it somewhere: the film was shot in an attempt to get a PG-13 rating. That is why there is almost no gore and very little profanity. Yet, the MPAA gave them an R rating.
When the producers asked why, they were told that it was because they had "demons" in the film. They pointed out that the Lord of the Rings films had trolls and orcs in them, to which the person at the MPAA replied, "Yes, but those aren't real." He wasn't kidding. RoyBatty42 08:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
In the differences section it mentions that he was sentenced to hell for a successful suicide, but as he is still alive does that not mean his attempt was unsuccessful? Stewiechewie 21:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Well his suicide was successful, and he went to hell. He was revived and has been trying to not go back to hell, which is why he was trying to buy his way into heaven by exorcising demons.
JoeyFNK
22:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
But as he was revived his suicide attempt was unsuccessful, he tried to end his life but is still alive Ssm777 ( talk) 23:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi! In the german version Midnite said before he said a prayer for Chaz, that Constantine shall kill Chaz after he helped him... Is that translation wrong? If not: What does it mean? Why should Chaz die? -- Homer Landskirty ( talk) 18:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Do we need the weapons section? Lots42 ( talk) 02:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I would like to know more about the auto-gun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.172.86 ( talk) 02:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
The article says John asks for divine intervention and doesn't receive it. This should be changed to say he doesn't receive it DIRECTLY. Watch the entire scene with the devil. In the end, John gets what he wants, Gabriel is stopped, Mammon returns to Hell, the sister's soul goes to Heaven, and his cancer is gone. If that isn't divine intervention, I don't know what is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.30.13 ( talk) 04:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The comma splices make this article harder to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.172.86 ( talk) 02:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Per a request at the Assessment department (sorry for the delay), I'm reviewing the article to determine if it meets the B-class criteria. The article needs to be expanded, and the plot significantly cut down (it should be more than 700 words). A lot of the screenshots in the article are decorative and should be removed (the Hell screenshot can probably stay). Try to add details about critical reception, soundtrack, production, etc. If you have questions about any of these, let me know. Once the above issues have been addressed, please renominate. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 02:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I feel that due to the back and forth editing on this topic, that this needs to be settled immediately.
Let it be established and known that Gabriel, the angel as depicted in the film, is NOT Female nor is Gabriel Male. Gabriel is a purely androgynous figure. Gabriel is also NOT the same as the Arch-Angel Gabriel as depicted in The Bible.
This has been established over a number of mediums including the film, the novelization, as well as multiple reviewers as well as observers, a few of which I will line up right now:
I'll even point you to the exact point in which the book describes Gabriel: Page 69, Shirley, John (25 January 2005), Constantine (Mass Market Paperback), Pocket Star, ISBN 0743497554 - "The semblance wore a cream-colored Armani suit... Pretilly pale, startling green eyes. Body as feminine as masculine. An androgyne. Constantine knew that this androgynous..."
What do all these have in common? Not one mentions Gabriel as an "Arch-Angel" nor does anyone mention Gabriel as male or female. They all mention Gabriel as Androgynous, or Gender-Neutral.
The problem here is that everyone seems to be ignoring the views as portrayed in the film and inserting their own. The biggest example of this came most recently from this edit: "Gabriel, while played by a woman to make him androgynous, is male. All angels depicted in scripture, including Gabriel, are male."
What the bible depicts and what the film depicts are two different things. Generically, we would refer to this as Artistic license, but granted the situation in that covers a biblical figure, we could also interpret it as just another interpretation of the work which is quite clearly what was made by the user of the above edit.
Hopefully this clears things up and ends the back and forth. Please feel free to refer to this if necessary. If anyone would like to discuss this, please do so here but let us keep the edit war out of it. Thank you. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② talk 04:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
As I'm sure is obvious from the history of the article, the past few edits between myself and the user, User:Undead penguin have been not much more than a back and forth series of "edit, revert, edit, revert...". I would like to explain my reasoning for my reversions, while hopefully giving Undead penguin a chance to explain theirs. I also seek the assistance of a neutral third party in accordance with the wikipedia policy of Dispute Resolution.
I'll begin with a basic synopsis: The dispute in question is in relation to the plot of the Constantine article which has seen many issues since this articles inception. With regards to this, the size of the plot section has seen variable change, leading to expansion, compaction, and subsequent re-expansion to encompass more detail fitting with the outlined manual of style of a good films article within the scope of WP:FILMS as well as the numerous film projects which this film is within the scope of including but not limited to those listed at the top of this talk page. It has been observed that the section was appropriately expanded, then cleaned up to match such. Now I personally felt that the section in question was adequate as it was and, with the exception of some minor compaction and cleanup, focus needed to be shifted over to other parts of the article such as the production, reception, and lead section.
However, based on observations of their edits, it can be inferred that the user User:Undead penguin believes differently and [ believes that not only am I trying to own this article, something I have adamantly refuted] but that it is inherently too long and redundant. I disagree, personally, citing Manual of Style for Films (including the names of the actors next to the first mention of a character, something which has been removed by Undead penguin), as well as the destruction of sentence structure and grammar which has been seen quite clearly through the edit history and the current state of the article which I have reverted because it simply is not accurate not does it fit. Now, when it comes to Film plots, it has long been established that sometimes, we must ignore all rules and be bold, a practice which I have long attempted to follow, but when you take an essential plot point such as Constantine's exorcisms of demons for personal gain - a point which was reiterated quite adamantly throughout the entire film, or remove other points which are essential to the character description in addition to points necessary to the plot (Constantine's ability to see ghost or the fact that he had previously exorcised a demon that very day, for example).
With that said, I have - as previously stated - reverted the article once more to its condition prior to the edits of Undead penguin, as although I understand that these are good faith edits (the user is also trying to improve the article), I cannot in good conscience let it stay in that condition. The floor is, of course, open to further discussion by the involved party and one or more intermediary parties as is necessary. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② talk 20:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
“ | While it is hard to quantify a strict word limit, since no two articles are equal, for films, Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines offers guidance that "plot summaries for feature films should be between 400 and 700 words"; Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Style guidelines recommends "100–200 words; upwards of 350 words for complex storylines" for television episodes; and for novels Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Style guidelines says that plot summaries "should aim to be no more than three or four paragraphs". | ” |
Considering u didnt pay attention to any of my argument, why should i respond. but i will. i never said constantine is mammon's portal. it is said in the movie, angela is. 1) bc u have a demon in the begining trying to force its way out of a child, and oh idk, mammon was trying to do that with angela at the end of the movie. not only that, um the movie completely changed much of the base story of constantine, and in it, yes he can see ghosts, but in the movie, he says he can see demons and angels, NOT GHOSTS. also, i didnt read those articles you mention, but to fit guidelines, yes they should be cut down plus this article is too long anyway even without guidelines. not only that, i didnt remove actors names, i only removed redundant statments. it is clear that you are not even paying attention to what details are removed and only upset because i am changing something in a way you do not like, which i find petty and insulting. also the movie refers to it as the Spear repeatedly and only say The Spear of Destiny twice. why would someone in their right mind keep saying the full name over and over again. shortening it to the spear, sense its already established what it is, does in no way reduce its significance, it just saves space and time in reading. not only that but, it is refered to as the spear repeatedly in the movie. also considering the grammarical mistakes that were in there before i even touched it, mentioning my changing of grammar that i constantly improve on when i make a mistake, is hypocritcal. Undead penguin ( talk) 22:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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Here are a few suggestions for resolving the dispute on the article:
I'd like to hear from both of you regarding these questions:
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I'm opening this topic as a repository for trivia in case a trivia section is ever added. As it's inaugural item, I believe the Spear of Destiny prop used in this movie is patterned after the Hofburg Spear, which is pictured in the Wikipedia article about The Holy Lance. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legionaireb ( talk • contribs) 02:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)