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I just don't think the list of Confederate soldiers awarded the Confederate medal of honor (1861-1865) is correct. These men may have been awarded a medal or some form of recognition after the war but this one list should only include soldiers awarded this per a General Order during the war. Rjr1960 ( talk) 16:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
The list of some of the 48 recipients of the Confederate Medal of Honor would have received said medal in the war. The SCV merely mints the medal and provides it to the descendants of the recipients. The CMOH is a bona fide government award, not from the SCV or a Confederate heritage group. The same is true for the 2,404 names on the Roll of Honor. Reading every name on the various "rolls of honor" show distinctions between these two honors. One was intended to have a medal, the other merely listed like the British "Mentioned in Dispatches". I made all this quite clear when I wrote these pages in 2017. As a life member of the SCV and a professional historian from West Point, I know where the facts stand. Thank you. — Preceding
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How can an award created after the destruction of the CSA be a CSA honour? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I think there may be some confusion here. So far as I can tell, the CSA Congress created the Confederate Roll of Honor. The Confederate Medal of Honor is the creation of the SCV. It is not, strictly speaking, a "CSA Honor". If that's correct, then this table is mislabeled:
Medal | Awards | Authorized | Presented | Established |
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Confederate Roll of Honor | 2,104 | CSA | CSA | 1862 |
Davis Guard Medal | 50 | CSA | Texas | 1864 |
New Market Cross of Honor dubious | 294 | Virginia | VMI | 1904 |
Southern Cross of Honor dubious | 78,761 | UDC | UDC | 1899 |
If this medal and the Southern Cross of Honor were created after the end of the CSA, then the table should probably just be deleted as it conflates actual CSA awards with those given out by heritage societies. Mobi Ditch ( talk) 19:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
@ X62225: I don't think this edit is correct. [1] First, the "CMOH" is a creation of the SCV. Second, the Confederate Congress doesn't seem to have ever authorized a CMOH. In 1862 it authorized the issuance of medals, but didn't specify a name. In 1863, the CS Army create the Roll of Honor. Is there anything wrong with that outline? Mobi Ditch ( talk) 23:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your inquiry. This is an oft-misunderstood point. The Confederate Medal of Honor is a distinct and separate recognition by a national government, as is the Roll of Honor. However, think of it like this, the CMOH recipients were also listed on a "roll of honor" (see how its lowercased). This is the confusion. A couple years ago I edited this page with a list of over half of the 48 recipients of the highest award, the Confederate Medal of Honor. I included as a source the transcription of the rolls during the war. These have been verified by the SCV of which I am both a member and a historian. Shortly after my edits a couple years ago, someone changed the page title to include (Sons of Confederate Veterans) as part of the award. I don't know how to change this, but it is flat out wrong. The Confederate medal of Honor was established by a National Government in 1862 and is on par with the U.S. Medal of Honor. The Roll of Honor has 2,404 names also on that list. I have personally read every name and likewise provided several individual stories on that Wiki page. The recent edits removing all that research and sources is a disservice. The only rolde the SCV plays in the CMOH is to mint the medal. Furthermore, the CSA intended no medal be made for theRoll of Honor, but the SCV went one step further and misnts that medal now too. There are 48 recipients of the CMOH and 2,404 on the Roll of Honor. As both a live SCV member and a professional historian from the United States Military Academy at West Point, I hope that this will clarify all issues and my original edits from 2017 will be reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by X62225 ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
So you want people editing Wiki pages that don't know what they're talking about? Just because I'min the SCV does not make years of study null and void, nor does it make the facts any different. I invite you to read the rolls of honor, the Roll of Honor, and the citations of the 48 CMOH awardees as named by the Confederate Government. Please, duplicate my research and you will find that my data is spot on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by X62225 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
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I just don't think the list of Confederate soldiers awarded the Confederate medal of honor (1861-1865) is correct. These men may have been awarded a medal or some form of recognition after the war but this one list should only include soldiers awarded this per a General Order during the war. Rjr1960 ( talk) 16:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
The list of some of the 48 recipients of the Confederate Medal of Honor would have received said medal in the war. The SCV merely mints the medal and provides it to the descendants of the recipients. The CMOH is a bona fide government award, not from the SCV or a Confederate heritage group. The same is true for the 2,404 names on the Roll of Honor. Reading every name on the various "rolls of honor" show distinctions between these two honors. One was intended to have a medal, the other merely listed like the British "Mentioned in Dispatches". I made all this quite clear when I wrote these pages in 2017. As a life member of the SCV and a professional historian from West Point, I know where the facts stand. Thank you. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
X62225 (
talk •
contribs) 23:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
How can an award created after the destruction of the CSA be a CSA honour? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I think there may be some confusion here. So far as I can tell, the CSA Congress created the Confederate Roll of Honor. The Confederate Medal of Honor is the creation of the SCV. It is not, strictly speaking, a "CSA Honor". If that's correct, then this table is mislabeled:
Medal | Awards | Authorized | Presented | Established |
---|---|---|---|---|
Confederate Roll of Honor | 2,104 | CSA | CSA | 1862 |
Davis Guard Medal | 50 | CSA | Texas | 1864 |
New Market Cross of Honor dubious | 294 | Virginia | VMI | 1904 |
Southern Cross of Honor dubious | 78,761 | UDC | UDC | 1899 |
If this medal and the Southern Cross of Honor were created after the end of the CSA, then the table should probably just be deleted as it conflates actual CSA awards with those given out by heritage societies. Mobi Ditch ( talk) 19:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
@ X62225: I don't think this edit is correct. [1] First, the "CMOH" is a creation of the SCV. Second, the Confederate Congress doesn't seem to have ever authorized a CMOH. In 1862 it authorized the issuance of medals, but didn't specify a name. In 1863, the CS Army create the Roll of Honor. Is there anything wrong with that outline? Mobi Ditch ( talk) 23:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your inquiry. This is an oft-misunderstood point. The Confederate Medal of Honor is a distinct and separate recognition by a national government, as is the Roll of Honor. However, think of it like this, the CMOH recipients were also listed on a "roll of honor" (see how its lowercased). This is the confusion. A couple years ago I edited this page with a list of over half of the 48 recipients of the highest award, the Confederate Medal of Honor. I included as a source the transcription of the rolls during the war. These have been verified by the SCV of which I am both a member and a historian. Shortly after my edits a couple years ago, someone changed the page title to include (Sons of Confederate Veterans) as part of the award. I don't know how to change this, but it is flat out wrong. The Confederate medal of Honor was established by a National Government in 1862 and is on par with the U.S. Medal of Honor. The Roll of Honor has 2,404 names also on that list. I have personally read every name and likewise provided several individual stories on that Wiki page. The recent edits removing all that research and sources is a disservice. The only rolde the SCV plays in the CMOH is to mint the medal. Furthermore, the CSA intended no medal be made for theRoll of Honor, but the SCV went one step further and misnts that medal now too. There are 48 recipients of the CMOH and 2,404 on the Roll of Honor. As both a live SCV member and a professional historian from the United States Military Academy at West Point, I hope that this will clarify all issues and my original edits from 2017 will be reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by X62225 ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
So you want people editing Wiki pages that don't know what they're talking about? Just because I'min the SCV does not make years of study null and void, nor does it make the facts any different. I invite you to read the rolls of honor, the Roll of Honor, and the citations of the 48 CMOH awardees as named by the Confederate Government. Please, duplicate my research and you will find that my data is spot on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by X62225 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 22 January 2019 (UTC)