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As described above, I have a business relationship with Conduit, and they pay me for consulting, and therefore have a WP:COI, so I won't make direct edits on this article. But I've written and edited a bunch for Wikipedia. See User:BC1278 for details. This article is a complete mess, filled mostly with unreliable sourcing, such as online forums. It has come under attack dozens of times and was protected by two admins over the years, User:Diannaa and User:Jeremy112233, who removed much unreliable and unsupported material. But it's mostly all found it's way back into the article.
I therefore proposed an update/redraft and User: Graeme Bartlett, an admin, decided to split the article into two. Information about the company, which sold the website toolbar business this original article is about, can now be found at Conduit (company).
But the problems with this article remain, so I have gone through it line by line to separate reliable from unreliable sourcing and its affect on content. The resulting redraft is at: User:BC1278/Conduit (publisher network and platform) and explained in detail, below. There's plenty of strong criticism of the toolbar platform program still in this redraft. But the fact that there are some reliable sources for criticism doesn't mean any source can now be used, even if it's textbook bias WP:BIASED.
The Conduit toolbar was an online platform that allowed
web publishers to create custom toolbars, web apps, and mobile apps at no cost.
[1]
[2] It was developed by
Conduit Inc. but in 2013 demerged to
Perion Network, a
NASDAQ public company.Cite error: A <ref>
tag is missing the closing </ref>
(see the
help page).
[3]
[4] Web apps and pieces of content developed through Conduit's platform were distributed and exchanged online via the Conduit App Marketplace.
[5]
[6] About 60 million users used apps from the marketplace on a daily basis.
[7]
Conduit's toolbars have been described in online forums and news outlets as malware [8] [9]
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Conduit's toolbars have been described as difficult to remove. [10]
It was also described by several technology columnists as a "browser hijacker." [12] [13] [14]
and rootkit capabilities.
Conduit began to shift away from this part of its business in late 2013 when it spun off its toolbar division into Perion Network through a reverse merger. [15] After the deal, Conduit shareholders owned 81% of Perion's existing shares, though both Perion and Conduit remain independent companies. [16]
History
In 2010 Conduit then-president Adam Boyden was featured in Forbes magazine online, in which he discussed the link between successful social gaming and marketing principles. [17]
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
In 2010 there were more than 100 million toolbars being powered by Conduit that were used at least once a month, which put Conduit at #29 on Google’s list of top 1,000 sites on the Internet that year. [18] In May 2011, Conduit completed the $45 million acquisition of Israeli startup Wibiya, an engagement platform that enabled publishers to integrate a variety of web applications on their site via the Wibiya Bar product. [19]
During this time Conduit moved away from the toolbar part of its business in order to focus on its mobile and browser engagement offerings. Ingrid Lunden of TechCrunch wrote that by spinning off the Client Connect business, the "split divided the company in two, with one part focusing on its mobile and engagement business and run by Shilo, and the other, Client Connect, merging with Perion". Lunden said further that, "Less than a month after browser-toolbar and mobile startup Conduit merged its Client Connect division with Perion, the company is making another change to its business. Conduit has announced that it will be discontinuing Wibiya, the social browser toolbar service that it acquired in 2011 for $45 million, as it shifts further away from its toolbar business." [20] In late 2013 Conduit was valued at $1.5 billion. [21]
Technology
Browser
Until 2013, one of Conduit's main businesses revolved around downloadable toolbars.
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Conduit allowed publishers to create and distribute their own toolbars for web browsers. [18]
Typically the toolbars were installed with another software product on which the toolbar was a piggyback program, [22] [23]
with users given the option to not install the toolbar. Browsers that initially supported the toolbars included Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Safari. Google Chrome was added as a supported browser in 2011.
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Examples of toolbars included a Zynga-designed toolbar that helped Farmville enthusiasts keep up-to-date with the status of their game; another was a toolbar from eBay that provided auction updates. The content was customized to the individual toolbar rather than generalized for all users. The toolbar was also be used for general information distribution, which was used by companies to engage in marketing campaigns. [18] Other companies that developed Conduit toolbars include Major League Baseball, Greenpeace, and Lufthansa. [24] Some of the companies and brands that used Conduit's platform were Major League Baseball, Time Warner Cable, Fox News, Zynga, [25] Chelsea Football Club, Groupon, Travelocity, µTorrent, and The Weather Channel. [4] [7] [26]
The toolbars have been described in online forums and news outlets as a browser hijack [22] [23]
The toolbar has been described by some reviewers as difficult to remove. [30]
SOURCING SHOULD PICK UP HERE IF THE SENTENCE IS KEPT:'
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Most of Conduit's revenue comes from paid referrals from its search engine. [34]
Conduit toolbars are automatically downloaded alongside the download of free software, in order to help sites that provide software for free with a form of monetization.
Conduit toolbars have rootkit capabilities that hook the toolbar deep into operating systems and can perform browser hijacking.
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Some Conduit removal tools are considered to be malware themselves. While not a virus, the program is referred to as a "potentially unwanted program" by some in the computer industry. [27]
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This article now has a paid editor. Nmwalsh ( talk) 10:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Nmwalsh I suggest you settle this elsewhere, and not on Wikipedia. BC1278 was paid by Conduit, as per his admission, to create this page in this manner. If Perion is unhappy with it, I'd suggest they contact Conduit to ask why their paid editor made this page they way it is, rather than bothering the volunteers here. You're both being paid to create the page in different manners; though I must say, that if Perion owns the property, they might want to ask why Conduit has been spending money trying to undercut them on Wikipedia like this. The Dezider ( talk) 00:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Gpeja I just advised the paid editor User:Nmwalsh to revert his rewrite of this article and make any suggestions he has for changes on this Talk page. As a paid editor, he may not make direct edits as per WP: COI I'm hoping he does the reversion himself quickly but if not, as per WP:COI, it would be standard practice for you or any other editor to just revert his changes entirely. I can't do so because I have a conflict of interest here. BC1278 ( talk) 14:46, 12 October 2015 (UTC)BC1278
Nmwalsh and BC1278 Could we please focus on improving the article? The last edits include some references provided in https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=CodeFuel&oldid=685348774#References. The idea is to focus on CodeFuel's marvelous technologies and show growth from a browser extension to a suite of solutions. It is still unclear to me what else is offered beside various extensions. I still cannot find positive buzz from users. How much money people earn using CodeFuel? Is there any reliable data about it? Are there any reviews published about CodeFuel? The control center may be interesting too. Any screen shots? Gpeja ( talk) 06:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
A spokesman for Perion has read your reply and would like to make the following points -
Attention Gpeja, please see note below to editor from Perion Network who blanked the company info box:
194.90.186.65 If you remove whole sections created by other editors on Wikipedia, without any reason based on Wikipedia policy, it's called "vandalism." See WP:Van That's what you've just done by removing the info box and it's been made worse because you reverted a change back after this was explained. This is called "edit warring" and it's also not allowed. WP: EW Where there is a disagreement, you have to discuss it on the Talk page -- you can't just override other editors' work.
It's only going to give you a very short term benefit to make deletions like this because they're going to get reversed by more senior editors, and the page is going to end up locked down so no one can make changes without getting permission. So please reverse your changes before this escalates and the page is locked down. It will then be much tougher for you to get updates.
You have already self-identified in the comment to your initial reversion as an editor with a conflict of interest, so you can't make direct edits to the page anyway WP:COI This blanking of the company infoxbox is the one and only change made by this IP address (there is no user name), which is called a "single purpose account" and is easily identified. It is located in Holon, Israel, the headquarters of Perion Network.
I'm trying to be helpful here -- you might have all sorts of useful information to add or correct to this entry, but you have to do it by following Wikipedia policy, even though it's cumbersome and not immediate.
If you want to make permanent changes to the page, you should leave comments on the Talk page with very specific suggestions. Go sentence by sentence. You have to provide sources for every changes you suggest or explain why sources that are already cited are incorrect or not allowable under Wikipedia policies.
You can't just say in your edit note that the company hasn't give permission to link to its website (no one ever needs permission to link to a website in any circumstance) or that all information in the entry is wrong, without specifying anything. You have to be very specific, sentence by sentence, and offer supporting sources for each fact you want to add or change.
For most editors with a COIthis takes many weeks or months, but there is already another editor, User:Gpeja who has said he will work with you on this page. He self-identified his interest on the Talk page. So you should engage in direct discussions with him. He seems very reasonable and willing to make changes if you can cite to sources.
On the other hand, if your reaction is just to blank out or delete other people's work directly, you're going to find it very difficult to get the long term result you want. BC1278 ( talk) 16:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)BC1278
-- Gpeja ( talk) 21:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Discussion about tags...
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. A consensus could not be reached. |
As described above, I have a business relationship with Conduit, and they pay me for consulting, and therefore have a WP:COI, so I won't make direct edits on this article. But I've written and edited a bunch for Wikipedia. See User:BC1278 for details. This article is a complete mess, filled mostly with unreliable sourcing, such as online forums. It has come under attack dozens of times and was protected by two admins over the years, User:Diannaa and User:Jeremy112233, who removed much unreliable and unsupported material. But it's mostly all found it's way back into the article.
I therefore proposed an update/redraft and User: Graeme Bartlett, an admin, decided to split the article into two. Information about the company, which sold the website toolbar business this original article is about, can now be found at Conduit (company).
But the problems with this article remain, so I have gone through it line by line to separate reliable from unreliable sourcing and its affect on content. The resulting redraft is at: User:BC1278/Conduit (publisher network and platform) and explained in detail, below. There's plenty of strong criticism of the toolbar platform program still in this redraft. But the fact that there are some reliable sources for criticism doesn't mean any source can now be used, even if it's textbook bias WP:BIASED.
The Conduit toolbar was an online platform that allowed
web publishers to create custom toolbars, web apps, and mobile apps at no cost.
[1]
[2] It was developed by
Conduit Inc. but in 2013 demerged to
Perion Network, a
NASDAQ public company.Cite error: A <ref>
tag is missing the closing </ref>
(see the
help page).
[3]
[4] Web apps and pieces of content developed through Conduit's platform were distributed and exchanged online via the Conduit App Marketplace.
[5]
[6] About 60 million users used apps from the marketplace on a daily basis.
[7]
Conduit's toolbars have been described in online forums and news outlets as malware [8] [9]
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Conduit's toolbars have been described as difficult to remove. [10]
It was also described by several technology columnists as a "browser hijacker." [12] [13] [14]
and rootkit capabilities.
Conduit began to shift away from this part of its business in late 2013 when it spun off its toolbar division into Perion Network through a reverse merger. [15] After the deal, Conduit shareholders owned 81% of Perion's existing shares, though both Perion and Conduit remain independent companies. [16]
History
In 2010 Conduit then-president Adam Boyden was featured in Forbes magazine online, in which he discussed the link between successful social gaming and marketing principles. [17]
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
In 2010 there were more than 100 million toolbars being powered by Conduit that were used at least once a month, which put Conduit at #29 on Google’s list of top 1,000 sites on the Internet that year. [18] In May 2011, Conduit completed the $45 million acquisition of Israeli startup Wibiya, an engagement platform that enabled publishers to integrate a variety of web applications on their site via the Wibiya Bar product. [19]
During this time Conduit moved away from the toolbar part of its business in order to focus on its mobile and browser engagement offerings. Ingrid Lunden of TechCrunch wrote that by spinning off the Client Connect business, the "split divided the company in two, with one part focusing on its mobile and engagement business and run by Shilo, and the other, Client Connect, merging with Perion". Lunden said further that, "Less than a month after browser-toolbar and mobile startup Conduit merged its Client Connect division with Perion, the company is making another change to its business. Conduit has announced that it will be discontinuing Wibiya, the social browser toolbar service that it acquired in 2011 for $45 million, as it shifts further away from its toolbar business." [20] In late 2013 Conduit was valued at $1.5 billion. [21]
Technology
Browser
Until 2013, one of Conduit's main businesses revolved around downloadable toolbars.
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Conduit allowed publishers to create and distribute their own toolbars for web browsers. [18]
Typically the toolbars were installed with another software product on which the toolbar was a piggyback program, [22] [23]
with users given the option to not install the toolbar. Browsers that initially supported the toolbars included Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Safari. Google Chrome was added as a supported browser in 2011.
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Examples of toolbars included a Zynga-designed toolbar that helped Farmville enthusiasts keep up-to-date with the status of their game; another was a toolbar from eBay that provided auction updates. The content was customized to the individual toolbar rather than generalized for all users. The toolbar was also be used for general information distribution, which was used by companies to engage in marketing campaigns. [18] Other companies that developed Conduit toolbars include Major League Baseball, Greenpeace, and Lufthansa. [24] Some of the companies and brands that used Conduit's platform were Major League Baseball, Time Warner Cable, Fox News, Zynga, [25] Chelsea Football Club, Groupon, Travelocity, µTorrent, and The Weather Channel. [4] [7] [26]
The toolbars have been described in online forums and news outlets as a browser hijack [22] [23]
The toolbar has been described by some reviewers as difficult to remove. [30]
SOURCING SHOULD PICK UP HERE IF THE SENTENCE IS KEPT:'
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Most of Conduit's revenue comes from paid referrals from its search engine. [34]
Conduit toolbars are automatically downloaded alongside the download of free software, in order to help sites that provide software for free with a form of monetization.
Conduit toolbars have rootkit capabilities that hook the toolbar deep into operating systems and can perform browser hijacking.
ARTICLE SHOULD PICK UP HERE:
Some Conduit removal tools are considered to be malware themselves. While not a virus, the program is referred to as a "potentially unwanted program" by some in the computer industry. [27]
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This article now has a paid editor. Nmwalsh ( talk) 10:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Nmwalsh I suggest you settle this elsewhere, and not on Wikipedia. BC1278 was paid by Conduit, as per his admission, to create this page in this manner. If Perion is unhappy with it, I'd suggest they contact Conduit to ask why their paid editor made this page they way it is, rather than bothering the volunteers here. You're both being paid to create the page in different manners; though I must say, that if Perion owns the property, they might want to ask why Conduit has been spending money trying to undercut them on Wikipedia like this. The Dezider ( talk) 00:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Gpeja I just advised the paid editor User:Nmwalsh to revert his rewrite of this article and make any suggestions he has for changes on this Talk page. As a paid editor, he may not make direct edits as per WP: COI I'm hoping he does the reversion himself quickly but if not, as per WP:COI, it would be standard practice for you or any other editor to just revert his changes entirely. I can't do so because I have a conflict of interest here. BC1278 ( talk) 14:46, 12 October 2015 (UTC)BC1278
Nmwalsh and BC1278 Could we please focus on improving the article? The last edits include some references provided in https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=CodeFuel&oldid=685348774#References. The idea is to focus on CodeFuel's marvelous technologies and show growth from a browser extension to a suite of solutions. It is still unclear to me what else is offered beside various extensions. I still cannot find positive buzz from users. How much money people earn using CodeFuel? Is there any reliable data about it? Are there any reviews published about CodeFuel? The control center may be interesting too. Any screen shots? Gpeja ( talk) 06:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
A spokesman for Perion has read your reply and would like to make the following points -
Attention Gpeja, please see note below to editor from Perion Network who blanked the company info box:
194.90.186.65 If you remove whole sections created by other editors on Wikipedia, without any reason based on Wikipedia policy, it's called "vandalism." See WP:Van That's what you've just done by removing the info box and it's been made worse because you reverted a change back after this was explained. This is called "edit warring" and it's also not allowed. WP: EW Where there is a disagreement, you have to discuss it on the Talk page -- you can't just override other editors' work.
It's only going to give you a very short term benefit to make deletions like this because they're going to get reversed by more senior editors, and the page is going to end up locked down so no one can make changes without getting permission. So please reverse your changes before this escalates and the page is locked down. It will then be much tougher for you to get updates.
You have already self-identified in the comment to your initial reversion as an editor with a conflict of interest, so you can't make direct edits to the page anyway WP:COI This blanking of the company infoxbox is the one and only change made by this IP address (there is no user name), which is called a "single purpose account" and is easily identified. It is located in Holon, Israel, the headquarters of Perion Network.
I'm trying to be helpful here -- you might have all sorts of useful information to add or correct to this entry, but you have to do it by following Wikipedia policy, even though it's cumbersome and not immediate.
If you want to make permanent changes to the page, you should leave comments on the Talk page with very specific suggestions. Go sentence by sentence. You have to provide sources for every changes you suggest or explain why sources that are already cited are incorrect or not allowable under Wikipedia policies.
You can't just say in your edit note that the company hasn't give permission to link to its website (no one ever needs permission to link to a website in any circumstance) or that all information in the entry is wrong, without specifying anything. You have to be very specific, sentence by sentence, and offer supporting sources for each fact you want to add or change.
For most editors with a COIthis takes many weeks or months, but there is already another editor, User:Gpeja who has said he will work with you on this page. He self-identified his interest on the Talk page. So you should engage in direct discussions with him. He seems very reasonable and willing to make changes if you can cite to sources.
On the other hand, if your reaction is just to blank out or delete other people's work directly, you're going to find it very difficult to get the long term result you want. BC1278 ( talk) 16:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)BC1278
-- Gpeja ( talk) 21:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Discussion about tags...