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This sentence:
Giacomo Vincenti, a music publisher, praised the women as "virtuose giovani" (young virtuosas), echoing the sentiments of contemporaneous diarists and commentators.[1]
Referenced to "Harris", and incorrect. You will find that in The Cambridge Companion to the Concerto, p. 178, Giacomo Vincenti called the young women of the Ospedale della Pieta the "virtuose giovani"...this in 1598, but it makes sense, because the Ospedale was a school and the pupils indeed young. The Concerto delle donne was made of women, who though they were young, were no longer girls.
I haven't pulled it out because it is possible that there is a decent source elsewhere that contradicts The Cambridge Companion. But if someone could assign the full citation to this Harris, I would be grateful.
added 8 September 2015
Wow. Amazing article, incredible depth of referencing. There were one or two minor grammar things, which I cleaned up, so that now I have no hesitation about passing it through. It's better than some FAs which I've come across. Congratulations!
One extra thing that I think would be good to include; the group's music is marked by a "high tessitura" and "a large range"; it would be nice if we could have some specifics concerning the range (top notes? bottom notes?), and also the tessitura, to make it more accessible to laymen in this particular field.
Cheers, Moreschi 11:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Excellent article. (Sorry not to have got to it earlier.) Way outside my field so I don't feel competent to make any specific comments, but i am impressed at how thoroughly Makemi has referenced it all. - Kleinzach 19:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
sorry bout that, I was creating a new article and deleted this one, by mistake. sorry —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drewwiki ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it's inaccurate to say that after Alfonso's death "the court was dissolved".
When Alfonso II d'Este died , his cousin "Cesare received the Duchy. The legitimity of the succession was recognized by the Emperor Rudolph II, but not by Pope Clement VII: thus, as Ferrara was nominally a Papal fief, the city was returned to the Papal States, despite the attempts of the young duke, who sued for help to the major powers of the time, but obtaining no help.
The capital was therefore moved to Modena where he entered on January 30, 1598." (see Cesare d'Este). With some hickups along the way, the Este ruled Modena until 1859.
Stammer 07:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
According to the virtuoso article, virtuosity is by definition technical mastery. So, the adjective technical is superfluous. IT doesn't have anything to do with how artistic someone is (considering that's subjective). "...renowned for their virtuosity" should be sufficient (IMO). Justinmeister 00:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no Newcomb (1986). Either someone needs to find out what it is and add it, or these citations should be removed (if it does not exist) or replaced. In addition, I am concerned that virtually all of the citations provided come from a single book and a single website. For a solid article, these references should be diversified, and not all taken from the same sources. The Jade Knight 02:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
These ladies will be discussed as part of the BBC Radio 3 programme 'The Choir from 19:30 BST on Sunday 22nd April 2007. For those outside the UK, there is an internet stream of radio 3, and the programme should be available on-demand for up to a week after the original broadcast at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3_aod.shtml?radio3/thechoir I doubt it will come up with anything worth adding to the article, but you never know. David Underdown 15:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
As part of WP:URFA/2020, I'll be working on this article. It's fairly close to modern FAC standard but I think I'll go through some MOS things; tweaking the lead a bit (to include more info about who the specific singers are) and organizing references better. Aza24 ( talk) 02:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Aza24: I saw that you removed your satisfactory notation for this article at WP:URFA/2020. Do you still have concerns over this article? Are you still working on it, or would you like to notice this for possible FAR? Z1720 ( talk) 02:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
For the sake of possible preservation, I'm pasting a section from an earlier version of this article below. I have no idea where to (or how to) include it properly:
In 1584, Alessandro Striggio, responding to requests from Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, described the ladies and composed pieces imitating their style so that Francesco could start his own concerto delle donne. Striggio mentioned an ornamented four voice madrigal for three sopranos and a dialogue with imitative diminutions for two sopranos. He added that he had forgotten the intabulation for the madrigal in Mantua, and noted that the skilled singer Giulio Caccini could play the bass part on either lute or harpsichord. [1] [2]
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This sentence:
Giacomo Vincenti, a music publisher, praised the women as "virtuose giovani" (young virtuosas), echoing the sentiments of contemporaneous diarists and commentators.[1]
Referenced to "Harris", and incorrect. You will find that in The Cambridge Companion to the Concerto, p. 178, Giacomo Vincenti called the young women of the Ospedale della Pieta the "virtuose giovani"...this in 1598, but it makes sense, because the Ospedale was a school and the pupils indeed young. The Concerto delle donne was made of women, who though they were young, were no longer girls.
I haven't pulled it out because it is possible that there is a decent source elsewhere that contradicts The Cambridge Companion. But if someone could assign the full citation to this Harris, I would be grateful.
added 8 September 2015
Wow. Amazing article, incredible depth of referencing. There were one or two minor grammar things, which I cleaned up, so that now I have no hesitation about passing it through. It's better than some FAs which I've come across. Congratulations!
One extra thing that I think would be good to include; the group's music is marked by a "high tessitura" and "a large range"; it would be nice if we could have some specifics concerning the range (top notes? bottom notes?), and also the tessitura, to make it more accessible to laymen in this particular field.
Cheers, Moreschi 11:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Excellent article. (Sorry not to have got to it earlier.) Way outside my field so I don't feel competent to make any specific comments, but i am impressed at how thoroughly Makemi has referenced it all. - Kleinzach 19:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
sorry bout that, I was creating a new article and deleted this one, by mistake. sorry —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drewwiki ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it's inaccurate to say that after Alfonso's death "the court was dissolved".
When Alfonso II d'Este died , his cousin "Cesare received the Duchy. The legitimity of the succession was recognized by the Emperor Rudolph II, but not by Pope Clement VII: thus, as Ferrara was nominally a Papal fief, the city was returned to the Papal States, despite the attempts of the young duke, who sued for help to the major powers of the time, but obtaining no help.
The capital was therefore moved to Modena where he entered on January 30, 1598." (see Cesare d'Este). With some hickups along the way, the Este ruled Modena until 1859.
Stammer 07:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
According to the virtuoso article, virtuosity is by definition technical mastery. So, the adjective technical is superfluous. IT doesn't have anything to do with how artistic someone is (considering that's subjective). "...renowned for their virtuosity" should be sufficient (IMO). Justinmeister 00:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no Newcomb (1986). Either someone needs to find out what it is and add it, or these citations should be removed (if it does not exist) or replaced. In addition, I am concerned that virtually all of the citations provided come from a single book and a single website. For a solid article, these references should be diversified, and not all taken from the same sources. The Jade Knight 02:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
These ladies will be discussed as part of the BBC Radio 3 programme 'The Choir from 19:30 BST on Sunday 22nd April 2007. For those outside the UK, there is an internet stream of radio 3, and the programme should be available on-demand for up to a week after the original broadcast at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3_aod.shtml?radio3/thechoir I doubt it will come up with anything worth adding to the article, but you never know. David Underdown 15:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
As part of WP:URFA/2020, I'll be working on this article. It's fairly close to modern FAC standard but I think I'll go through some MOS things; tweaking the lead a bit (to include more info about who the specific singers are) and organizing references better. Aza24 ( talk) 02:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Aza24: I saw that you removed your satisfactory notation for this article at WP:URFA/2020. Do you still have concerns over this article? Are you still working on it, or would you like to notice this for possible FAR? Z1720 ( talk) 02:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
For the sake of possible preservation, I'm pasting a section from an earlier version of this article below. I have no idea where to (or how to) include it properly:
In 1584, Alessandro Striggio, responding to requests from Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, described the ladies and composed pieces imitating their style so that Francesco could start his own concerto delle donne. Striggio mentioned an ornamented four voice madrigal for three sopranos and a dialogue with imitative diminutions for two sopranos. He added that he had forgotten the intabulation for the madrigal in Mantua, and noted that the skilled singer Giulio Caccini could play the bass part on either lute or harpsichord. [1] [2]
References