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Hi, A Quest For Knowledge. I noticed you removed a tag that I put on the article List of Start Menu replacements for Windows 8. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. I placed the template because the links do not seem to meet the criteria at WP:ELYES and in fact some of them lead to promotional product pages (see WP:ELNO). If you disagree please let me know! -- Noiratsi ( talk) 21:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Look, I'm completely open to the idea that we should have a community-wide RfC on whether 'list' articles should have links to official web sites. Can someone start such an RfC? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 22:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
External links should not normally be used in the body of an article. Exceptions are rare.
[...] one should generally avoid [...] stand-alone lists [...] composed mainly of external links.
Wikipedia articles are not [...] mere collections of external links [...]
Wikipedia encompasses many lists of links to articles within Wikipedia that are used for internal organization or to describe a notable subject. (my emphasis)
[consider] a well-chosen link to a directory of websites or organizations. Long lists of links are not acceptable.
Lists contain internally linked terms.
Found that explicit rule you were looking for. The very last item in the list of links normally to be avoided: "Stand-alone lists or embedded lists composed mainly of external links. These lists are primarily intended as internal navigational aids, not a directory of sites on the web." DoctorKubla ( talk) 08:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I found a forum post with titled "A List Of Start Menu Replacements for Windows 8" [1] that has several Start Menu replacements that should be integrated in the article. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should change the list's format to use a table, sort of like this: List of computer viruses. If so, what columns should we have? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 20:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
An alternative to a table would be to do the list in paragraph format. For example:
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What does everyone think? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 16:19, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
;
and :
formatting? (as at
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Description (definition, association) lists; sorry for epically long link ^^). I think before choosing what kind of list though we need to work out what kind of information the list needs to present. Somebody suggested a comparison between the products; a table is definitely better for that. --
Noiratsi (
talk) 16:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)I've converted the bullet list to a table format. [3] I could use some help in filling out the columns. Thanks. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 15:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Can you add "All Programs" by Openview Design [4] to List? Although it is not a full Start Menu, It does not eliminate the start button in Windows 8.1 but provides a quick way to access all non-metro programs - same as Windows 7 - Start Menu - All Programs 71.36.146.177 ( talk) 01:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the place to bring this up... The links associated with "Classic Windows Start Menu" in the list appear to be dodgy. They link to some kind of fashion page, which is not what I was looking for. I can't actually find any reference to Classic Windows Start Menu by a SourceCodeBoy in a quick Google search. I think this might be a spam link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxcelcat ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
This article seems to be heavily Pokki-centric. Perhaps it would be better to move that part of the discussion to the page for Pokki's author, notorious adware vendor SweetLabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.10.5 ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, A Quest For Knowledge. I noticed you removed a tag that I put on the article List of Start Menu replacements for Windows 8. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. I placed the template because the links do not seem to meet the criteria at WP:ELYES and in fact some of them lead to promotional product pages (see WP:ELNO). If you disagree please let me know! -- Noiratsi ( talk) 21:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Look, I'm completely open to the idea that we should have a community-wide RfC on whether 'list' articles should have links to official web sites. Can someone start such an RfC? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 22:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
External links should not normally be used in the body of an article. Exceptions are rare.
[...] one should generally avoid [...] stand-alone lists [...] composed mainly of external links.
Wikipedia articles are not [...] mere collections of external links [...]
Wikipedia encompasses many lists of links to articles within Wikipedia that are used for internal organization or to describe a notable subject. (my emphasis)
[consider] a well-chosen link to a directory of websites or organizations. Long lists of links are not acceptable.
Lists contain internally linked terms.
Found that explicit rule you were looking for. The very last item in the list of links normally to be avoided: "Stand-alone lists or embedded lists composed mainly of external links. These lists are primarily intended as internal navigational aids, not a directory of sites on the web." DoctorKubla ( talk) 08:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I found a forum post with titled "A List Of Start Menu Replacements for Windows 8" [1] that has several Start Menu replacements that should be integrated in the article. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should change the list's format to use a table, sort of like this: List of computer viruses. If so, what columns should we have? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 20:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
An alternative to a table would be to do the list in paragraph format. For example:
Classic Shell Consul senserit cu doctus deserunt repudiandae sed, fugit rationibus complectitur nam in. Eu mea ponderum probatus, et nam elit definiebas consequuntur. Ea paulo detracto sit, ne sea vitae persecuti definiebas. Altera deserunt te eos.
IOBit StartMenu8 Virtute eum, vis blandit appareat et. Stet tota sea ne. Mei ipsum gloriatur ad. Quo quis dolorem urbanitas an. Te nonumes veritus eam, in atqui lucilius vel. Eam posse debitis splendide te, ius id meis ipsum consulatu. Virtute eum, vis blandit appareat et. Stet tota sea ne. Mei ipsum gloriatur ad. Quo quis dolorem urbanitas an. Te nonumes veritus eam, in atqui lucilius vel. Eam posse debitis splendide te, ius id meis ipsum consulatu.
Pokki Pericula usu an, qui illud concludaturque ei. Postea deterruisset ex sea. Te stet commodo fierent sea. Meis voluptaria elaboraret est eu, sea ut minim oblique inermis. Mea dicant perpetua intellegebat cu, esse simul ad eum, id vix adhuc vocibus. Virtute eum, vis blandit appareat et. Stet tota sea ne. Mei ipsum gloriatur ad. Quo quis dolorem urbanitas an. Te nonumes veritus eam, in atqui lucilius vel. Eam posse debitis splendide te, ius id meis ipsum consulatu.
Power8 Omnesque quaerendum, ludus constituam in has, vidisse aliquip deleniti usu ex. Assum similique eos ne. Persius eruditi adolescens no qui, causae indoctum mei et, eum graeci delenit maiestatis ut. Eum te delectus aliquando. Habeo facer moderatius ut pri, vitae veniam mollis ei mei. Virtute eum, vis blandit appareat et. Stet tota sea ne. Mei ipsum gloriatur ad. Quo quis dolorem urbanitas an. Te nonumes veritus eam, in atqui lucilius vel. Eam posse debitis splendide te, ius id meis ipsum consulatu.
Retro UI Pro Veniam, nisl assentior necessitatibus duo ea, amet offendit consequuntur id has. Usu ex erat mandamus suscipiantur. Vis simul iriure indoctum ut. An pro eros falli quando, velit graece mea eu, summo audire nostrud nam in. Virtute eum, vis blandit appareat et. Stet tota sea ne. Mei ipsum gloriatur ad. Quo quis dolorem urbanitas an. Te nonumes veritus eam, in atqui lucilius vel. Eam posse debitis splendide te, ius id meis ipsum consulatu.
What does everyone think? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 16:19, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
;
and :
formatting? (as at
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Description (definition, association) lists; sorry for epically long link ^^). I think before choosing what kind of list though we need to work out what kind of information the list needs to present. Somebody suggested a comparison between the products; a table is definitely better for that. --
Noiratsi (
talk) 16:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)I've converted the bullet list to a table format. [3] I could use some help in filling out the columns. Thanks. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 15:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Can you add "All Programs" by Openview Design [4] to List? Although it is not a full Start Menu, It does not eliminate the start button in Windows 8.1 but provides a quick way to access all non-metro programs - same as Windows 7 - Start Menu - All Programs 71.36.146.177 ( talk) 01:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the place to bring this up... The links associated with "Classic Windows Start Menu" in the list appear to be dodgy. They link to some kind of fashion page, which is not what I was looking for. I can't actually find any reference to Classic Windows Start Menu by a SourceCodeBoy in a quick Google search. I think this might be a spam link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxcelcat ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
This article seems to be heavily Pokki-centric. Perhaps it would be better to move that part of the discussion to the page for Pokki's author, notorious adware vendor SweetLabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.10.5 ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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