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Does anyone know where this series is film? like what community college it is filmed at ? Pwordisony ( talk) 06:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn't Alison Brie have a page? it said it had been deleted. According to IMDB she has a lengthy resume, including the hit show Mad Men. An editor needs to bring her page back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.71.137 ( talk • contribs) 02:01, September 18, 2009
If anyone needs a ref on the series getting picked up, here you go. Staxringold talk contribs 21:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
FYI. Ikip ( talk) 00:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I wanted to post here to explain why I reverted Tikopowii's edits. Adding that much fancrufty text on the main Community article would turn it into a fansite, which is both unneeded and unwarranted. If anything, that stuff should be moved into a List of Community characters article, but even that's unnecessary. All of that text is just rewritten from the Greendale promotional site, and it doesn't add to the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 04:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Just drawing attention to a comment that I made at Talk:List of Community episodes#Episode summaries about consolidating the episode information/summaries and potentially merging the Community (TV series) and Community (season 1) articles. — sroc ( talk) 13:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Annie's crush on Troy was dissolved in season 1 and now she seems to like Jeff Winger instead. The summary should add this info or edit out that since it's not an essential storyline. It should just say something like: Community centers around the friends in the study group following their relationships and lives as they attend Greendale. 97.117.193.46 ( talk) 08:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, when was it established that Greendale was in Colorado? The tropical warmth shown in the episodes set in October to January suggests elsewhere. 24.202.251.225 ( talk) 03:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I made (without logging in, apologies) some adjustments to the Premise and Chast and Characters sections, because there were some issues there. My changes have been reverted by user HelloAnnyong with this motivation: "great deal of speculation, OR and fancruft". The fact is, I was actually just trying to remove speculations, correct mistakes, and provide better quick, basic informations on the characters. For instance:
So I will revert to the modified version as soon as I don't read an aswer here telling a reason to not correct these mistakes by providing more complete, updated and reliable data. Kumagoro-42 17:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumagoro-42 ( talk • contribs)
On Dean Pelton: the character bio states that his sexual orientation is ambiguous, but I have strong issues with this characterization. Between Harmon's AMA and Biology 101 it wouldn't be correct to say his orientation is ambiguous; it isn't. This is bisexual/pansexual erasure. (Vice Dean: "And you never had to Dean. You could have lived the rest of your life in blissful ignorance and died a happy pan-sexual imp, but you wanted to feel power this year. Well now you’re going to feel my power as it surges downward from me straight through you from nostril to rectum now until the end of time. And that’s, wazzup.") Thoughts? - Exteric ( talk) 18:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I started to create a page for jeff. The show is in its third season and he should have a page. But it needs a lot of work, so I would appreciate help. you can find it by typing in Jeff Winger (Community). Caringtype1 ( talk) 13:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
The lead is not the place to add campaigns by fans to have the series renewed. If you'd like this to be added, it would be acceptable to do so in the format that Chuck uses on its page. Please note, however, the language must be neutral and cannot contain speculative comments. Thanks. Kevinbrogers ( talk) 08:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
fine, but does it have to be that big??? do we really want to destroy the reputation of the show???
Caringtype1 (
talk)
20:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you are right. i guess I was just mad about how dumb these fans are being. Since the hiatus was announced last may, there is no indication that it might be canceled, i just feel like its disrupting NBC. Either way, acted out of anger and was wrong. Its true(unfortunately), but should be included in some way. I apologize. Caringtype1 ( talk) 22:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Listing all the characters is really redundant since we have an entire page dedicated to that. It also doesn't help explain the set-up of the show, which is why I liked the paragraph form. Is there really a reason to realist all of the characters here? I suggest we go back to the paragraph. Caringtype1 ( talk) 18:10, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I am not an official user on Wikipedia, but I was trying to make a reasonable edit to improve the quality of the article and it was automatically undone by Cluebot. Is there any way I can get past this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.251.142 ( talk) 16:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The intro paragraph says the show is returning as a showrunner - but that article says a showrunner is a person, not a television program. I don't understand what it is trying to say. 24.4.197.241 ( talk) 06:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Show is cancelled, and it has not been posted yet. Majinsnake ( talk) 05:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC) 05:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Removed the line which says "Perhaps because of the cinematic nature of the show, several directors of episodes on the show have gone on to direct major feature films including Justin Lin, Jay Chandrasekhar, Richard Ayoade, and the Russo brothers." as all of those people had already made feature films prior to directing episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.98.210 ( talk) 14:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm deleting this section again.
There is no evidence that the line "six seasons and a movie" has had any serious impact on studio executives' decision-making process. It in no way explains the process by which Community was canceled and recommissioned. It is completely irrelevant. To suggest that the sixth season was, in current article's wording, "predestined", or even reference fans apparently believing this, is absurd. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I for one just see an empty entry...
same... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lomash ( talk • contribs) 23:21, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
As of 2015-08-26 14:14 UTC it's visible again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:4E0:8221:49D2:FA35:9DFA:9350 ( talk)
The intro of this article mentions Harmon's "story circle" template without explaining what that is or what it means. Is it the same as the "story embryo" technique?
signed, R2- 71.121.143.95 ( talk) 02:44, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Jmiclash has uploaded 26 images that all depict an extra named "BJ" that has appeared in a number of episodes of the series. The images have been modified so that the extra is denoted with a red arrow, and the files are being used in the plot sections of the episode articles, with the caption: "BJ (who appears in over 60 episodes but never speaks) denoted with red arrow." I think these files are completely redundant and they do not meet the non-free content criteria #8. Below, you can see a complete list of these files, which i suggest that should be removed from the articles and deleted, unless a reason for keeping them can be provided here. -- Radiphus 08:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
I removed the last half of the "Semiotics and Community" because the material violates WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. Fiske wrote decades before Community aired; if another scholar applied Fiske's lens to the show, showing how Harmon employs each of these "levels of codes" (reality, representation, and ideology), then that scholar could be cited/attributed and the section would be fine, but no source cited in the section references Fiske or his three codes, so the application of Fiske to Community appears to be an original claim, as does each example that follows it. Similarly, Harmon's story circle is discussed in the Wired article cited; the word semiotics is mentioned, but the article does not claim that Harmon following this template amounts to adding any extra layer of meaning or intentionally encoding as the claim at the end of the section states. It appears, in fact, that the "layers" come from the pop-culture shorthand piled on top it all, not the circle, making the "story circle" not relevant to this section.-- MattMauler ( talk) 18:54, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
I've decided to start work on a page entitled "List of awards and nominations received by Community". I noticed that the section covering this in the article is quite cluttered in a prose format, and I think there are enough awards to justify a separate page instead of listing them in the main article (which is already fairly long). Moreover, comparable sitcoms in terms of length, reception, and dates of airing, such as The Office and Parks and Recreation, have such pages. However, I won't start linking the page to this article unless other people think it's a good idea and the list is up to snuff. Any thoughts on this? -- RunningTiger123 ( talk) 20:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
the episode was pulled in June 2020 due to mistakenly perceiving Chang as dressing up in blackface. blackface is defined by Wikipedia and websters to "represent a caricature of a black person". Chang was not doing that - he was dressed as an elf. I see why sony / nflx / hulu pulled it as blackface itself is reprehensible. I am not arguing with the corporate decision - I AM arguing that it should not be incorrectly characterized as blackface on this page. Wiki strives for accuracy and saying Chang did blackface is inaccurate. Thehornet ( talk) 21:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Chang playing a dark elf by wearing dark make-up some have mistaken for blackface. So we won't either.
This seems like one of the odder pieces of media to get “cancelled” considering it is intentionally vague whether it counts as blackface ...so I agree that the change to
which was perceived as blackfaceis an improvement.
On June 26, 2020, Netflix and Hulu removed the season 2 episode " Advanced Dungeons & Dragons" from their platforms, saying that a scene in which Chang dressed as a black elf constituted blackface. Several other live-action comedies had episodes featuring blackface removed as well.Perhaps we can improve upon this wording further as well. — Bilorv ( talk) 20:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I've started a discussion over at Talk:List of Community episodes regarding where production code information comes from. Since I'm not sure how much visibility it will get there, I'm adding a link here for a wider audience to see. RunningTiger123 ( talk) 04:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW. There is consensus that long-term significance is a relevant primary topic factor here, and the TV series does not have as much long-term significance as the concept. No prejudice against a discussion about moving Community (disambiguation) to Community. ( non-admin closure) — Bilorv ( talk) 19:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Community (TV series) →
Community – Similarly to
Friends, it's the main topic, and the current
Community page can be merged.
Ireadbooks12 (
talk)
06:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I recently undid an edit here where an IP user had added a link to Ben Chang, which currently redirects to List of Community characters. The IP user then un-undid my edit, claiming that the link is useful (my original edit summary said the link was not useful).
I think my edit summary was unclear: I removed the link because linking to a page already linked in the existing article one section lower seems like overlinking. Moreover, if we add a link for Ben Chang, it would be unreasonable to not add links for every main character, which definitely feels like overlinking when all but one character would redirect to List of Community characters. Finally, given that the links had not been added even though the redirects had existed for a while (the added redirect has existed for over 10 years), it seemed that consensus was to not include them. Thoughts? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 18:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
With the recent announcement about the film, I found a draft version of an article on the topic at Draft:Community: The Movie and started improving it, but then realized there is another draft (seemingly in better shape) at Draft:Untitled Community film. Where should we consolidate any draft work? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 02:18, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
This is misleading. He was complaining that his character would be made to use the word, and left the show for essentially the opposite reason of what is implied. Drsruli ( talk) 04:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Chevy Chase and the producers of NBC‘s cult comedy Community are parting ways by mutual agreement ... on-set ... Chase used the N-word ... reportedly prompted by lines of dialogue he found offensive.This doesn't say that this is the reason that Chase left the show. I'm not reassured by the weasel word "reportedly" in the source, or "allegedly" in our article.What text do you propose this be replaced with and on the basis of what reliable sources? — Bilorv ( talk) 16:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Until better information is available, I suggest eliminating the clause "after allegedly using a racial slur on set ". In the bigger picture, sources indicate that he was frustrated playing a racist character that didn't demonstrate significant growth over 4 years (despite the occasional episode to the contrary). Drsruli ( talk) 07:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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On 13 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Community (TV series) to Community. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
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Does anyone know where this series is film? like what community college it is filmed at ? Pwordisony ( talk) 06:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn't Alison Brie have a page? it said it had been deleted. According to IMDB she has a lengthy resume, including the hit show Mad Men. An editor needs to bring her page back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.71.137 ( talk • contribs) 02:01, September 18, 2009
If anyone needs a ref on the series getting picked up, here you go. Staxringold talk contribs 21:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
FYI. Ikip ( talk) 00:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I wanted to post here to explain why I reverted Tikopowii's edits. Adding that much fancrufty text on the main Community article would turn it into a fansite, which is both unneeded and unwarranted. If anything, that stuff should be moved into a List of Community characters article, but even that's unnecessary. All of that text is just rewritten from the Greendale promotional site, and it doesn't add to the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 04:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Just drawing attention to a comment that I made at Talk:List of Community episodes#Episode summaries about consolidating the episode information/summaries and potentially merging the Community (TV series) and Community (season 1) articles. — sroc ( talk) 13:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Annie's crush on Troy was dissolved in season 1 and now she seems to like Jeff Winger instead. The summary should add this info or edit out that since it's not an essential storyline. It should just say something like: Community centers around the friends in the study group following their relationships and lives as they attend Greendale. 97.117.193.46 ( talk) 08:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, when was it established that Greendale was in Colorado? The tropical warmth shown in the episodes set in October to January suggests elsewhere. 24.202.251.225 ( talk) 03:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I made (without logging in, apologies) some adjustments to the Premise and Chast and Characters sections, because there were some issues there. My changes have been reverted by user HelloAnnyong with this motivation: "great deal of speculation, OR and fancruft". The fact is, I was actually just trying to remove speculations, correct mistakes, and provide better quick, basic informations on the characters. For instance:
So I will revert to the modified version as soon as I don't read an aswer here telling a reason to not correct these mistakes by providing more complete, updated and reliable data. Kumagoro-42 17:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumagoro-42 ( talk • contribs)
On Dean Pelton: the character bio states that his sexual orientation is ambiguous, but I have strong issues with this characterization. Between Harmon's AMA and Biology 101 it wouldn't be correct to say his orientation is ambiguous; it isn't. This is bisexual/pansexual erasure. (Vice Dean: "And you never had to Dean. You could have lived the rest of your life in blissful ignorance and died a happy pan-sexual imp, but you wanted to feel power this year. Well now you’re going to feel my power as it surges downward from me straight through you from nostril to rectum now until the end of time. And that’s, wazzup.") Thoughts? - Exteric ( talk) 18:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I started to create a page for jeff. The show is in its third season and he should have a page. But it needs a lot of work, so I would appreciate help. you can find it by typing in Jeff Winger (Community). Caringtype1 ( talk) 13:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
The lead is not the place to add campaigns by fans to have the series renewed. If you'd like this to be added, it would be acceptable to do so in the format that Chuck uses on its page. Please note, however, the language must be neutral and cannot contain speculative comments. Thanks. Kevinbrogers ( talk) 08:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
fine, but does it have to be that big??? do we really want to destroy the reputation of the show???
Caringtype1 (
talk)
20:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you are right. i guess I was just mad about how dumb these fans are being. Since the hiatus was announced last may, there is no indication that it might be canceled, i just feel like its disrupting NBC. Either way, acted out of anger and was wrong. Its true(unfortunately), but should be included in some way. I apologize. Caringtype1 ( talk) 22:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Listing all the characters is really redundant since we have an entire page dedicated to that. It also doesn't help explain the set-up of the show, which is why I liked the paragraph form. Is there really a reason to realist all of the characters here? I suggest we go back to the paragraph. Caringtype1 ( talk) 18:10, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I am not an official user on Wikipedia, but I was trying to make a reasonable edit to improve the quality of the article and it was automatically undone by Cluebot. Is there any way I can get past this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.251.142 ( talk) 16:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The intro paragraph says the show is returning as a showrunner - but that article says a showrunner is a person, not a television program. I don't understand what it is trying to say. 24.4.197.241 ( talk) 06:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Show is cancelled, and it has not been posted yet. Majinsnake ( talk) 05:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC) 05:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Removed the line which says "Perhaps because of the cinematic nature of the show, several directors of episodes on the show have gone on to direct major feature films including Justin Lin, Jay Chandrasekhar, Richard Ayoade, and the Russo brothers." as all of those people had already made feature films prior to directing episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.98.210 ( talk) 14:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm deleting this section again.
There is no evidence that the line "six seasons and a movie" has had any serious impact on studio executives' decision-making process. It in no way explains the process by which Community was canceled and recommissioned. It is completely irrelevant. To suggest that the sixth season was, in current article's wording, "predestined", or even reference fans apparently believing this, is absurd. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I for one just see an empty entry...
same... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lomash ( talk • contribs) 23:21, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
As of 2015-08-26 14:14 UTC it's visible again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:4E0:8221:49D2:FA35:9DFA:9350 ( talk)
The intro of this article mentions Harmon's "story circle" template without explaining what that is or what it means. Is it the same as the "story embryo" technique?
signed, R2- 71.121.143.95 ( talk) 02:44, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Jmiclash has uploaded 26 images that all depict an extra named "BJ" that has appeared in a number of episodes of the series. The images have been modified so that the extra is denoted with a red arrow, and the files are being used in the plot sections of the episode articles, with the caption: "BJ (who appears in over 60 episodes but never speaks) denoted with red arrow." I think these files are completely redundant and they do not meet the non-free content criteria #8. Below, you can see a complete list of these files, which i suggest that should be removed from the articles and deleted, unless a reason for keeping them can be provided here. -- Radiphus 08:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
I removed the last half of the "Semiotics and Community" because the material violates WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. Fiske wrote decades before Community aired; if another scholar applied Fiske's lens to the show, showing how Harmon employs each of these "levels of codes" (reality, representation, and ideology), then that scholar could be cited/attributed and the section would be fine, but no source cited in the section references Fiske or his three codes, so the application of Fiske to Community appears to be an original claim, as does each example that follows it. Similarly, Harmon's story circle is discussed in the Wired article cited; the word semiotics is mentioned, but the article does not claim that Harmon following this template amounts to adding any extra layer of meaning or intentionally encoding as the claim at the end of the section states. It appears, in fact, that the "layers" come from the pop-culture shorthand piled on top it all, not the circle, making the "story circle" not relevant to this section.-- MattMauler ( talk) 18:54, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
I've decided to start work on a page entitled "List of awards and nominations received by Community". I noticed that the section covering this in the article is quite cluttered in a prose format, and I think there are enough awards to justify a separate page instead of listing them in the main article (which is already fairly long). Moreover, comparable sitcoms in terms of length, reception, and dates of airing, such as The Office and Parks and Recreation, have such pages. However, I won't start linking the page to this article unless other people think it's a good idea and the list is up to snuff. Any thoughts on this? -- RunningTiger123 ( talk) 20:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
the episode was pulled in June 2020 due to mistakenly perceiving Chang as dressing up in blackface. blackface is defined by Wikipedia and websters to "represent a caricature of a black person". Chang was not doing that - he was dressed as an elf. I see why sony / nflx / hulu pulled it as blackface itself is reprehensible. I am not arguing with the corporate decision - I AM arguing that it should not be incorrectly characterized as blackface on this page. Wiki strives for accuracy and saying Chang did blackface is inaccurate. Thehornet ( talk) 21:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Chang playing a dark elf by wearing dark make-up some have mistaken for blackface. So we won't either.
This seems like one of the odder pieces of media to get “cancelled” considering it is intentionally vague whether it counts as blackface ...so I agree that the change to
which was perceived as blackfaceis an improvement.
On June 26, 2020, Netflix and Hulu removed the season 2 episode " Advanced Dungeons & Dragons" from their platforms, saying that a scene in which Chang dressed as a black elf constituted blackface. Several other live-action comedies had episodes featuring blackface removed as well.Perhaps we can improve upon this wording further as well. — Bilorv ( talk) 20:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I've started a discussion over at Talk:List of Community episodes regarding where production code information comes from. Since I'm not sure how much visibility it will get there, I'm adding a link here for a wider audience to see. RunningTiger123 ( talk) 04:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW. There is consensus that long-term significance is a relevant primary topic factor here, and the TV series does not have as much long-term significance as the concept. No prejudice against a discussion about moving Community (disambiguation) to Community. ( non-admin closure) — Bilorv ( talk) 19:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Community (TV series) →
Community – Similarly to
Friends, it's the main topic, and the current
Community page can be merged.
Ireadbooks12 (
talk)
06:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I recently undid an edit here where an IP user had added a link to Ben Chang, which currently redirects to List of Community characters. The IP user then un-undid my edit, claiming that the link is useful (my original edit summary said the link was not useful).
I think my edit summary was unclear: I removed the link because linking to a page already linked in the existing article one section lower seems like overlinking. Moreover, if we add a link for Ben Chang, it would be unreasonable to not add links for every main character, which definitely feels like overlinking when all but one character would redirect to List of Community characters. Finally, given that the links had not been added even though the redirects had existed for a while (the added redirect has existed for over 10 years), it seemed that consensus was to not include them. Thoughts? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 18:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
With the recent announcement about the film, I found a draft version of an article on the topic at Draft:Community: The Movie and started improving it, but then realized there is another draft (seemingly in better shape) at Draft:Untitled Community film. Where should we consolidate any draft work? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 02:18, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
This is misleading. He was complaining that his character would be made to use the word, and left the show for essentially the opposite reason of what is implied. Drsruli ( talk) 04:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Chevy Chase and the producers of NBC‘s cult comedy Community are parting ways by mutual agreement ... on-set ... Chase used the N-word ... reportedly prompted by lines of dialogue he found offensive.This doesn't say that this is the reason that Chase left the show. I'm not reassured by the weasel word "reportedly" in the source, or "allegedly" in our article.What text do you propose this be replaced with and on the basis of what reliable sources? — Bilorv ( talk) 16:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Until better information is available, I suggest eliminating the clause "after allegedly using a racial slur on set ". In the bigger picture, sources indicate that he was frustrated playing a racist character that didn't demonstrate significant growth over 4 years (despite the occasional episode to the contrary). Drsruli ( talk) 07:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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