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Thanks for the great Commandaria article. I'm a little confused by what is meant by the "oldest named wine". My Oxford Companion to Wine says that Commandaria may be the oldest continuously produced wine, but there are many wines older than it that had names, although none exist today. Just curious which one you meant. Wnissen 17:48 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I am a Cypriot and home-produce Commandaria or Commanderia(as I believe it should be). I might be wrong but the name I believe comes from the French commanderie and should be spelled commanderia. If I am wrong I apologise for editing this article, but I thought this is what Wikipedia is about. Doing some more research, Gran Commandarie was actually called Gran Commanderie, and therefore Commanderia is the proper name for the wine. Some producers name it Commandaria but it is probably wrong. Some users are too narrow minded to accept any other opinion, obviously. I would also like to complain about a user who called me a vandal for pointing this out. I find that this behaviour deters other users from contributing to this project.
To my knowledge Xynisteri is a variety of white grapes, hence the deletion of red from the text. StephP 17:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
This article has now grown considerably and I propose it is re-paragraphed into a more manageable/readable format, rather than just allowing it to grow as one big block. I have looked around and unfortunately, even within WikiProject_Wine [2] there does not seem to be a consensus (or even a suggestion) as to the formatting of such articles. No wander no wine articles have any star ratings… Similar wines such as Marsala (wine), Sherry, Port and Madeira all seem to follow their own (home made) paragraphing. Anyway, as a start, I propose the article gets broken down into:
Any thoughts anyone?! Georgeg 00:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have two concerns about the references before passing this as a Good Article.
Both of these claims need to be referenced to a reliable source, or reworded in line with a reliable source, or removed from the article. Lyrl Talk C 01:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
{{
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help) ). The one you referred to as a wiki reference (
Henri d'Andeli-
La Bataille des Vins, Verse 15
[4] ) did link to the poet and the article on the particular poem that relates to that event but that was just as further info to the reader. It also linked externally to the full French verse of the poem and indicated which verse one needed to seek out. Anyway, I have removed that reference, although i feel it would have been useful. Does this need further change?
StephP
11:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Someone recently added the phrase:
I'm moving it to talk because I haven't been able to find verification of this anywhere, and it seems possibly dubious (what does "most favored" really mean?). -- Delirium 17:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Due to violations of the WP:3RR rule (although it was more something like 7RR when I ran out of templates) related to unsourced additions about orthodox church altar wine, an IP was blocked. Since my knowledge of the orthodox church is somewhat limited, does anyone have a clue (and a couple of reliable references) about what they do use as altar wine. Or is the answer just "whatever is favoured locally"? Tomas e ( talk) 22:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth I can confirm that Coummandaria is a commonly used communion wine, very commonly in fact. In the UK it is rare to see anything else used but I won't add it to the article because I'm not sure where I would find an appropriate source "my priest told me" would I'm sure be OR. I will endevour to look for a source... 87.194.177.211 ( talk) 09:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for the great Commandaria article. I'm a little confused by what is meant by the "oldest named wine". My Oxford Companion to Wine says that Commandaria may be the oldest continuously produced wine, but there are many wines older than it that had names, although none exist today. Just curious which one you meant. Wnissen 17:48 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I am a Cypriot and home-produce Commandaria or Commanderia(as I believe it should be). I might be wrong but the name I believe comes from the French commanderie and should be spelled commanderia. If I am wrong I apologise for editing this article, but I thought this is what Wikipedia is about. Doing some more research, Gran Commandarie was actually called Gran Commanderie, and therefore Commanderia is the proper name for the wine. Some producers name it Commandaria but it is probably wrong. Some users are too narrow minded to accept any other opinion, obviously. I would also like to complain about a user who called me a vandal for pointing this out. I find that this behaviour deters other users from contributing to this project.
To my knowledge Xynisteri is a variety of white grapes, hence the deletion of red from the text. StephP 17:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
This article has now grown considerably and I propose it is re-paragraphed into a more manageable/readable format, rather than just allowing it to grow as one big block. I have looked around and unfortunately, even within WikiProject_Wine [2] there does not seem to be a consensus (or even a suggestion) as to the formatting of such articles. No wander no wine articles have any star ratings… Similar wines such as Marsala (wine), Sherry, Port and Madeira all seem to follow their own (home made) paragraphing. Anyway, as a start, I propose the article gets broken down into:
Any thoughts anyone?! Georgeg 00:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have two concerns about the references before passing this as a Good Article.
Both of these claims need to be referenced to a reliable source, or reworded in line with a reliable source, or removed from the article. Lyrl Talk C 01:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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help) ). The one you referred to as a wiki reference (
Henri d'Andeli-
La Bataille des Vins, Verse 15
[4] ) did link to the poet and the article on the particular poem that relates to that event but that was just as further info to the reader. It also linked externally to the full French verse of the poem and indicated which verse one needed to seek out. Anyway, I have removed that reference, although i feel it would have been useful. Does this need further change?
StephP
11:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Someone recently added the phrase:
I'm moving it to talk because I haven't been able to find verification of this anywhere, and it seems possibly dubious (what does "most favored" really mean?). -- Delirium 17:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Due to violations of the WP:3RR rule (although it was more something like 7RR when I ran out of templates) related to unsourced additions about orthodox church altar wine, an IP was blocked. Since my knowledge of the orthodox church is somewhat limited, does anyone have a clue (and a couple of reliable references) about what they do use as altar wine. Or is the answer just "whatever is favoured locally"? Tomas e ( talk) 22:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth I can confirm that Coummandaria is a commonly used communion wine, very commonly in fact. In the UK it is rare to see anything else used but I won't add it to the article because I'm not sure where I would find an appropriate source "my priest told me" would I'm sure be OR. I will endevour to look for a source... 87.194.177.211 ( talk) 09:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, OhanaUnited Talk page 07:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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