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Please change "the deadliest" to a different wording. The text could be written as "one of the deadliest" as the Columbine high school massacre was not the deadliest shooting at the time. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:19, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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16:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)That is strange since it is on the list of school shootings. Thanks for the clarification! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 02:09, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Originally it said "deadliest high school shooting at the time" and I would've preferred that, but someone changed it and we rolled with it. Either statement is OK. There isn't a clear "consensus" on whether the UT-Austin shooting should be called a "school shooting" as it didn't really bear much resemblance to the school shootings we've come to know. Columbine was the deadliest undeniable school shooting at the time it happened. --
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Someone improved the note. Better not complicate things - I think it can stay just the way it is right now. Much less misleading and about as clear as it can possibly be. -- Skjölker ( talk) 21:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Please change Deangelis to DeAngelis. [1] Thank you! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 22:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please indicate that Corey DePooter was killed by Klebold and not Harris and Klebold, as a footnote shows Harris killed 8 people and Klebold killed 5 people. Including themselves, Harris killed 9 and Klebold killed 6. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 16:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
OK, I thought if one killed 9 and the other killed 6, including themselves, then Corey would have had to be killed by Dylan, if you do the math. But I see another source is needed. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 14:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please change 11:29–11:36 a.m to 11:29 - 11:36 a.m. 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 21:28, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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Add 1 entry at the Copy Cat section at the end of the article for Randy Stair, (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton_Township_Weis_Markets_shooting) He was strongly implicated as an admirer of the columbine perpetrators and posted numerous videos espousing such on his Infamous YouTube channel before going on to kill 3 people in a super market in the name of a Danny Phantom character. True story. 2607:FB91:3F0A:51B6:64B3:7AC0:460F:3188 ( talk) 01:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
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Change the location of the event from Columbine, CO to Littleton, CO. 9NateDawggg7 ( talk) 17:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi. I hope you're doing well. I made a contribution on the sub-head "Journals" about Harris's interest in sexual violence and cannibalism and I sourced it with Larkin's book. However, I do think the wording is odd and English is not my native language. I would highly appreciate a review. Thanks to anyone volunteering. Kindest regards. CoryGlee ( talk) 23:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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I think this objective resource for Columbine documents should be added to the external links: https://www.researchcolumbine.com/document-11k-gallery.php
The site lays out all of the documents, not just the 11k, in a format where users can click on page numbers and view what used to be hundreds of PDF files, without downloading anything. It makes the 30k pages of reports available without commentary, just the data, easily accessible. I use it all the time and find it better than sifting through endless PDFs and scrolling.
The 11k is the most popular doc since it's witness testimony.
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Please change 12:08 pm to 12:08 p.m. 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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How did the cafeteria bombs fail to detonate? Zachbarbo ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
The correct city is Littleton and NOT Columbine; there is no city by that name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:681:0:51E0:5C78:BE72:976:18FA ( talk) 21:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Opening text needs restructuring: "According to their journals and video tapes, it is believed by investigators that..."
"their" implies "investigators". "it is believed" is the passive tense. "According to" does not imply speculation on the part of investigators.
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"Based on the shooters'/pair's/perpetrators' journals and video tapes, investigators believe that..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:D40:633:41A9:1AF:D2C:1245 ( talk) 12:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Hullo. I was curious as to why this was described as "then the worst school shooting in U.S. history." The University of Texas tower shooting resulted in both more deaths and injuries and occurred well before this event. Why does the Texas shooting not supersede this one? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 20:43, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Shearonink, as we discussed above, it is extremely notable as ONE OF the deadliest school shootings in the history of the US, that also set a precedent for future school shootings, copycats etc. Your recent edit seemed to have removed that aspect entirely from the lead. Incidentally, the cited source you removed looks like NYT, not reader's digest. As there is a consensus among RS on this, I would suggest replacing it at, or near, the beginning of the lead with some equally reliable source, either from NYT again (there are numerous news articles by them stating this) or perhaps another equally reliable news source, or maybe an academic source such as this one [5] "On 20 April 1999, in one of the deadliest school shootings in national history..." Just because it is also mentioned in the body etc. does not mean we can remove it from the lead, things tend to work the opposite way, see WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY. If you are busy I'm happy to do it myself. Cheers. DN ( talk) 16:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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I came to this wiki specifically for names of victims. It seems that finding a straightforward list such as names, ages, injured or killed at minimum would be found on this page. If their stories from that day warrant a main page, then starting that and linking to that main article to not go too far off topic (this might be considered for the background and foreshadowing from this page as it is not part of this actual event). It feels like a very important oversight of important information from that day. If there is a list on this page, there NEEDS to be a link in the TOC. I am not a wiki editor and I apologize if this is a harsh request message. I'll admit that when I landed on this page and could not easily find victims but found all the information about the perpetrators and details of their history, planning, unrelated arrest, and minute by minute execution of the crime, I was disheartened. Thank you. 184.170.166.166 ( talk) 12:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Back to the possible "list of the victims" request... When I consider WP:NOTMEMORIAL it is clear to me that it is only concerned with writing a stand-alone article to memorialize a friend or relative, an article about a clearly non-notable person as if Wikipedia were Legacy(dot)com or something similar.
So...subjects of Wikipedia articles must be notable...subjects. But placing a list of the victims of a mass-death event into an article about that very-same event...is that the same thing as making them the subject of a Wikipedia article? I don't think so - without the victims, the event itself is meaningless so why is NOTMEMORIAL cited to not have victims' names in the articles about these mass-death events? The perpetrator (or perpetrators in this article's case) are mentioned in the Wikipedia articles about the event - Klebold & Harris, Adam Lanza and so on...so why not the individual people they killed. It's a mystery only solved by editorial consensus an an article-by-article basis. Shearonink ( talk) 19:34, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
OK..well, I actually went and looked at the article - I admit, I hadn't gone looking directly at
CircleCityCynic's concerns within the article but I just now did. As they mentioned above, there is a list of Fatalities. There has been a list of Fatalities or Injuries and deaths in this section/Injuries and deaths in initial incident since August 21, 2005, as seen in
this edit. So at one time the injured were included in list/s but they are not now.
As to CircleCityCynic's contention that a list of the injured is included in other articles they are right and they are also wrong.
Virginia Tech shooting does not include a separate list of the injured, it mentions the injured within the timeline of that event as it progresses.
Stoneman Douglas High School shooting mentions people who were injured, not always by name and it does have a section about survivors/the injured but it does not list them all out by name.
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting mentions survivors in the text and what happened to them but it is the only one that lists injured, 2 people who were teachers at Sandy Hook by name.
If CircleCityCynic thinks that the injured should be included here then that editor could open a
Request for comment to see if there is editorial consensus for such information to be included in the article. From the responses here in this section, I would doubt that there is a consensus to include names of all the injured. For one thing,
reliable sources would have to be found that mention at length the names of the injured, their issues, where they fit in the timeline...that sort of information. And your fellow editors would have to agree to include the injured. I think including the names of all the injured people might be a bit much...the article already has a Very long maintenance template on it (since December 2021) and yeah, it is pretty big:
Adding more text doesn't seem all that needful to me but others may disagree. Shearonink ( talk) 23:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Is it necessary to include so much detail of the shooting, particularly the conversations between the perpetrators and victims, such as in the Library Massacre section? Some of those exchanges graphically illustrate the power the shooters held over the victims in a way that is likely to serve as inspiration for future mass shooters. They could particularly resonate with youth who are considered to be “unpopular” and perceive themselves to be at a power deficit compared with the “popular” kids at school, as they may envy the Columbine shooters’ ability to, in that moment, turn the tables on those “popular” kids who to that point may have ignored or scorned them. When editing these kind of pages, I think it is important to keep in mind that future school shooters are very likely to visit them for information and inspiration. -- Djpowell2 ( talk) 00:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
This issue was also discussed at
Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, see the now-archived discussion at
Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2022/April#A still taken from some security camera footage - copyright issue?...
I was trying to run down the copyright status of the still from the school security video that is presently in the infobox.
This image has a legal copyright that belongs to Getty Images. Regardless of the concept that "the scene is highly associated with the shooting incident" its legal status is, at best, murky.
I am not sure that the various templates in use at the Wikipedia File page - "Non-free fair use", "Non-free historic image", and "Non-free video screenshot" - are applicable for this article or in its infobox. It is clear that the rights for any still images from the security cameras in the school library reside with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department via Getty Images...so then, can Wikipedia use any of these images in any articles associated with the Columbine massacre? I don't think so but maybe I'm wrong...I realize that this issue is fraught with controversy, others will most probably disagree, so let's have a discussion here or on the talk page for the File and reach a consensus according to Wikipedia policy. Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 22:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Does it really matter what games they were into and whether you think that video games make kids violent that is an opinion and this is for facts not opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OHYEAH1107 ( talk • contribs) 12:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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Incorrect spelling of victim's name: In 'the massacre' -> '11:19 am shooting begins' , please edit Dan Rohrborough to Dan Rohrbough 121.128.106.187 ( talk) 14:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I'd like to know if anyone wants to work on removing the tag under Media speculation . Thanks. CoryGlee ( talk) 00:19, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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In February 2016, after Klebold's mother, Sue Klebold, surfaced to speak out on mental health and suicide prevention, she was condemned by then Attorney General of Colorado, Cynthia Coffman, who tweeted that Klebold had been "irresponsible and inflammatory" for her interview with Diane Sawyer, she also added on a follow-up tweet that Klebold had been "selfish" and that her interview could have "very negative consequences".
In the above sentence, please change the comma after Diane Sawyer to a period. Then start another sentence.
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Please change ( MDT ( UTC-6)) to MDT ( UTC-06:00) 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 00:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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In the writings subhead where it is written about Harris's sexual deviancy, it should be wiki linked to sexual cannibalism instead to cannibalism, which is broader. 190.246.97.81 ( talk) 17:56, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, I don't know if this belongs to this article but John Stone, the Sheriff in charge of the investigation, died last week aged 73. (CBS News) 190.246.97.81 ( talk) 22:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
In the suicide section:
"Klebold lit a Molotov cocktail on a nearby table, underneath which Patrick Ireland was laying.."
The last verb should be "lying." "To lay" is a transitive verb meaning to place (an object) on a surface. "To lie" is an intransitive verb meaning to recline, etc. 135.180.193.96 ( talk) 04:56, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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This states that the event occurred in Columbine, Colorado. There is no such place. It transpired in Littleton, Colorado. Datplayboi ( talk) 05:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Columbine High School is in Littleton, CO. Not Columbine. 71.211.232.237 ( talk) 02:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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I am a Columbine shooting survivor. The picture of Eric and Dylan in the cafeteria with weapons is inappropriate and offensive to post on this page as well as potentially dangerous for copycats. Please remove it. NewZealandTeamDragon ( talk) 04:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hello! There is currently a debate over whether this event should be listed as one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in American history on the Terrorism in the United States talk page. That debate has relevance to this page because there has also been some back and forth here on whether Template:Terrorist attacks in the United States by deaths (which is based on the aforementioned list) should be included on this page.-- Jerome Frank Disciple 14:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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At the part where it says the name “Teresa Miller”, her name is actually spelled as “Theresa Miller” 2601:482:2:E920:E99F:5665:9CD9:5EF4 ( talk) 18:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
This is listed as the deadliest shooting in Colorado. That is incorrect as it was surpassed by the Aurora movie theater shooting. 2601:281:C500:B30:7013:3767:E1C3:6F4E ( talk) 01:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't know who edited this or why, but the "do you believe in God" conversation with Rachel Scott never happened, she died instantly upon being shot. The only sources for this are misreports from 1999 and a Christian martyr propaganda movie that gets just about everything else wrong as well and doesn't even claim to be a documentary. While Castaldo claimed this happened after he was shot, he was in a delirious state of mind at the time and there's absolutely no other evidence to support it. This page reflected that until a few days ago, and somehow no one has gone through the process of changing it back. Since this page is protected, I'd appreciate if someone could do that, as I don't think it's appropriate for Wikipedia to be spreading blatant misinformation like this, especially about such a serious and important event. 2603:8080:F304:BA00:3899:34E8:18C4:9417 ( talk) 11:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
FYI - A recent edit added 2 photos of the Harris/Klebold weapons to the article. These 2 photos have been reported on Commons as copyright violations, since they are not images taken by the Commons contributor but rather photos under copyright by getty images that were taken by another person. Shearonink ( talk) 20:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
How was the perpetrator a Neo-Nazi, white-supremacist, prominent, multi-millionaire Jew?
Am I the only one confused about that? 79.106.203.98 ( talk) 08:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I believe that I have resolved this issue by adding direct quotes and citations from eric that he made in his personal journal regarding bullying as noted by Peter Langman. Thus, I believe the message can be removed. Tellium ( talk) 02:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I removed a section using unreliable sources here. The sources were based on fictional events from a movie and not real-life occurrences. Came accross it on Reddit. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 20:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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"Motive inconclusive" to "Motives Mental health, bullying and school safety improvements." 2601:346:A80:3760:F0FB:6153:C4D3:B472 ( talk) 17:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Austin Eubanks died of a heroin overdose in 2019 after developing an addiction to opioids and other painkillers after the shooting. Should it be considered due to the shooting since, even though Harris and Klebold didn’t kill him, his death occurred because of the shooting and wouldn’t have happened (when it did and the way it did) if Columbine never happened, even though he’s never been (to my knowledge) considered a death from the attack by news outlets and other sources? MountainDew20 ( talk) 07:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
I dont want to be insensitive but it sais in the article that austin eubanks overcame opoid addiction but later states he died of a heroin overdose which seems like a contradiction? 2A00:23CC:C204:4C01:AE66:BC2E:D2EA:A4E5 ( talk) 06:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please change "the deadliest" to a different wording. The text could be written as "one of the deadliest" as the Columbine high school massacre was not the deadliest shooting at the time. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:19, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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Originally it said "deadliest high school shooting at the time" and I would've preferred that, but someone changed it and we rolled with it. Either statement is OK. There isn't a clear "consensus" on whether the UT-Austin shooting should be called a "school shooting" as it didn't really bear much resemblance to the school shootings we've come to know. Columbine was the deadliest undeniable school shooting at the time it happened. --
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Someone improved the note. Better not complicate things - I think it can stay just the way it is right now. Much less misleading and about as clear as it can possibly be. -- Skjölker ( talk) 21:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Please change Deangelis to DeAngelis. [1] Thank you! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 22:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please indicate that Corey DePooter was killed by Klebold and not Harris and Klebold, as a footnote shows Harris killed 8 people and Klebold killed 5 people. Including themselves, Harris killed 9 and Klebold killed 6. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 16:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
OK, I thought if one killed 9 and the other killed 6, including themselves, then Corey would have had to be killed by Dylan, if you do the math. But I see another source is needed. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 14:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please change 11:29–11:36 a.m to 11:29 - 11:36 a.m. 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 21:28, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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Add 1 entry at the Copy Cat section at the end of the article for Randy Stair, (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton_Township_Weis_Markets_shooting) He was strongly implicated as an admirer of the columbine perpetrators and posted numerous videos espousing such on his Infamous YouTube channel before going on to kill 3 people in a super market in the name of a Danny Phantom character. True story. 2607:FB91:3F0A:51B6:64B3:7AC0:460F:3188 ( talk) 01:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
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Change the location of the event from Columbine, CO to Littleton, CO. 9NateDawggg7 ( talk) 17:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi. I hope you're doing well. I made a contribution on the sub-head "Journals" about Harris's interest in sexual violence and cannibalism and I sourced it with Larkin's book. However, I do think the wording is odd and English is not my native language. I would highly appreciate a review. Thanks to anyone volunteering. Kindest regards. CoryGlee ( talk) 23:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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I think this objective resource for Columbine documents should be added to the external links: https://www.researchcolumbine.com/document-11k-gallery.php
The site lays out all of the documents, not just the 11k, in a format where users can click on page numbers and view what used to be hundreds of PDF files, without downloading anything. It makes the 30k pages of reports available without commentary, just the data, easily accessible. I use it all the time and find it better than sifting through endless PDFs and scrolling.
The 11k is the most popular doc since it's witness testimony.
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Please change 12:08 pm to 12:08 p.m. 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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How did the cafeteria bombs fail to detonate? Zachbarbo ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
The correct city is Littleton and NOT Columbine; there is no city by that name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:681:0:51E0:5C78:BE72:976:18FA ( talk) 21:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Opening text needs restructuring: "According to their journals and video tapes, it is believed by investigators that..."
"their" implies "investigators". "it is believed" is the passive tense. "According to" does not imply speculation on the part of investigators.
Suggest rewording:
"Based on the shooters'/pair's/perpetrators' journals and video tapes, investigators believe that..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:D40:633:41A9:1AF:D2C:1245 ( talk) 12:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Hullo. I was curious as to why this was described as "then the worst school shooting in U.S. history." The University of Texas tower shooting resulted in both more deaths and injuries and occurred well before this event. Why does the Texas shooting not supersede this one? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 20:43, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Shearonink, as we discussed above, it is extremely notable as ONE OF the deadliest school shootings in the history of the US, that also set a precedent for future school shootings, copycats etc. Your recent edit seemed to have removed that aspect entirely from the lead. Incidentally, the cited source you removed looks like NYT, not reader's digest. As there is a consensus among RS on this, I would suggest replacing it at, or near, the beginning of the lead with some equally reliable source, either from NYT again (there are numerous news articles by them stating this) or perhaps another equally reliable news source, or maybe an academic source such as this one [5] "On 20 April 1999, in one of the deadliest school shootings in national history..." Just because it is also mentioned in the body etc. does not mean we can remove it from the lead, things tend to work the opposite way, see WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY. If you are busy I'm happy to do it myself. Cheers. DN ( talk) 16:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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I came to this wiki specifically for names of victims. It seems that finding a straightforward list such as names, ages, injured or killed at minimum would be found on this page. If their stories from that day warrant a main page, then starting that and linking to that main article to not go too far off topic (this might be considered for the background and foreshadowing from this page as it is not part of this actual event). It feels like a very important oversight of important information from that day. If there is a list on this page, there NEEDS to be a link in the TOC. I am not a wiki editor and I apologize if this is a harsh request message. I'll admit that when I landed on this page and could not easily find victims but found all the information about the perpetrators and details of their history, planning, unrelated arrest, and minute by minute execution of the crime, I was disheartened. Thank you. 184.170.166.166 ( talk) 12:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Back to the possible "list of the victims" request... When I consider WP:NOTMEMORIAL it is clear to me that it is only concerned with writing a stand-alone article to memorialize a friend or relative, an article about a clearly non-notable person as if Wikipedia were Legacy(dot)com or something similar.
So...subjects of Wikipedia articles must be notable...subjects. But placing a list of the victims of a mass-death event into an article about that very-same event...is that the same thing as making them the subject of a Wikipedia article? I don't think so - without the victims, the event itself is meaningless so why is NOTMEMORIAL cited to not have victims' names in the articles about these mass-death events? The perpetrator (or perpetrators in this article's case) are mentioned in the Wikipedia articles about the event - Klebold & Harris, Adam Lanza and so on...so why not the individual people they killed. It's a mystery only solved by editorial consensus an an article-by-article basis. Shearonink ( talk) 19:34, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
OK..well, I actually went and looked at the article - I admit, I hadn't gone looking directly at
CircleCityCynic's concerns within the article but I just now did. As they mentioned above, there is a list of Fatalities. There has been a list of Fatalities or Injuries and deaths in this section/Injuries and deaths in initial incident since August 21, 2005, as seen in
this edit. So at one time the injured were included in list/s but they are not now.
As to CircleCityCynic's contention that a list of the injured is included in other articles they are right and they are also wrong.
Virginia Tech shooting does not include a separate list of the injured, it mentions the injured within the timeline of that event as it progresses.
Stoneman Douglas High School shooting mentions people who were injured, not always by name and it does have a section about survivors/the injured but it does not list them all out by name.
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting mentions survivors in the text and what happened to them but it is the only one that lists injured, 2 people who were teachers at Sandy Hook by name.
If CircleCityCynic thinks that the injured should be included here then that editor could open a
Request for comment to see if there is editorial consensus for such information to be included in the article. From the responses here in this section, I would doubt that there is a consensus to include names of all the injured. For one thing,
reliable sources would have to be found that mention at length the names of the injured, their issues, where they fit in the timeline...that sort of information. And your fellow editors would have to agree to include the injured. I think including the names of all the injured people might be a bit much...the article already has a Very long maintenance template on it (since December 2021) and yeah, it is pretty big:
Adding more text doesn't seem all that needful to me but others may disagree. Shearonink ( talk) 23:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Is it necessary to include so much detail of the shooting, particularly the conversations between the perpetrators and victims, such as in the Library Massacre section? Some of those exchanges graphically illustrate the power the shooters held over the victims in a way that is likely to serve as inspiration for future mass shooters. They could particularly resonate with youth who are considered to be “unpopular” and perceive themselves to be at a power deficit compared with the “popular” kids at school, as they may envy the Columbine shooters’ ability to, in that moment, turn the tables on those “popular” kids who to that point may have ignored or scorned them. When editing these kind of pages, I think it is important to keep in mind that future school shooters are very likely to visit them for information and inspiration. -- Djpowell2 ( talk) 00:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
This issue was also discussed at
Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, see the now-archived discussion at
Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2022/April#A still taken from some security camera footage - copyright issue?...
I was trying to run down the copyright status of the still from the school security video that is presently in the infobox.
This image has a legal copyright that belongs to Getty Images. Regardless of the concept that "the scene is highly associated with the shooting incident" its legal status is, at best, murky.
I am not sure that the various templates in use at the Wikipedia File page - "Non-free fair use", "Non-free historic image", and "Non-free video screenshot" - are applicable for this article or in its infobox. It is clear that the rights for any still images from the security cameras in the school library reside with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department via Getty Images...so then, can Wikipedia use any of these images in any articles associated with the Columbine massacre? I don't think so but maybe I'm wrong...I realize that this issue is fraught with controversy, others will most probably disagree, so let's have a discussion here or on the talk page for the File and reach a consensus according to Wikipedia policy. Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 22:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Does it really matter what games they were into and whether you think that video games make kids violent that is an opinion and this is for facts not opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OHYEAH1107 ( talk • contribs) 12:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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Incorrect spelling of victim's name: In 'the massacre' -> '11:19 am shooting begins' , please edit Dan Rohrborough to Dan Rohrbough 121.128.106.187 ( talk) 14:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I'd like to know if anyone wants to work on removing the tag under Media speculation . Thanks. CoryGlee ( talk) 00:19, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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In February 2016, after Klebold's mother, Sue Klebold, surfaced to speak out on mental health and suicide prevention, she was condemned by then Attorney General of Colorado, Cynthia Coffman, who tweeted that Klebold had been "irresponsible and inflammatory" for her interview with Diane Sawyer, she also added on a follow-up tweet that Klebold had been "selfish" and that her interview could have "very negative consequences".
In the above sentence, please change the comma after Diane Sawyer to a period. Then start another sentence.
Thank you! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 18:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please change ( MDT ( UTC-6)) to MDT ( UTC-06:00) 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 00:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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In the writings subhead where it is written about Harris's sexual deviancy, it should be wiki linked to sexual cannibalism instead to cannibalism, which is broader. 190.246.97.81 ( talk) 17:56, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, I don't know if this belongs to this article but John Stone, the Sheriff in charge of the investigation, died last week aged 73. (CBS News) 190.246.97.81 ( talk) 22:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
In the suicide section:
"Klebold lit a Molotov cocktail on a nearby table, underneath which Patrick Ireland was laying.."
The last verb should be "lying." "To lay" is a transitive verb meaning to place (an object) on a surface. "To lie" is an intransitive verb meaning to recline, etc. 135.180.193.96 ( talk) 04:56, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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This states that the event occurred in Columbine, Colorado. There is no such place. It transpired in Littleton, Colorado. Datplayboi ( talk) 05:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Columbine High School is in Littleton, CO. Not Columbine. 71.211.232.237 ( talk) 02:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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I am a Columbine shooting survivor. The picture of Eric and Dylan in the cafeteria with weapons is inappropriate and offensive to post on this page as well as potentially dangerous for copycats. Please remove it. NewZealandTeamDragon ( talk) 04:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hello! There is currently a debate over whether this event should be listed as one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in American history on the Terrorism in the United States talk page. That debate has relevance to this page because there has also been some back and forth here on whether Template:Terrorist attacks in the United States by deaths (which is based on the aforementioned list) should be included on this page.-- Jerome Frank Disciple 14:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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At the part where it says the name “Teresa Miller”, her name is actually spelled as “Theresa Miller” 2601:482:2:E920:E99F:5665:9CD9:5EF4 ( talk) 18:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
This is listed as the deadliest shooting in Colorado. That is incorrect as it was surpassed by the Aurora movie theater shooting. 2601:281:C500:B30:7013:3767:E1C3:6F4E ( talk) 01:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't know who edited this or why, but the "do you believe in God" conversation with Rachel Scott never happened, she died instantly upon being shot. The only sources for this are misreports from 1999 and a Christian martyr propaganda movie that gets just about everything else wrong as well and doesn't even claim to be a documentary. While Castaldo claimed this happened after he was shot, he was in a delirious state of mind at the time and there's absolutely no other evidence to support it. This page reflected that until a few days ago, and somehow no one has gone through the process of changing it back. Since this page is protected, I'd appreciate if someone could do that, as I don't think it's appropriate for Wikipedia to be spreading blatant misinformation like this, especially about such a serious and important event. 2603:8080:F304:BA00:3899:34E8:18C4:9417 ( talk) 11:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
FYI - A recent edit added 2 photos of the Harris/Klebold weapons to the article. These 2 photos have been reported on Commons as copyright violations, since they are not images taken by the Commons contributor but rather photos under copyright by getty images that were taken by another person. Shearonink ( talk) 20:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
How was the perpetrator a Neo-Nazi, white-supremacist, prominent, multi-millionaire Jew?
Am I the only one confused about that? 79.106.203.98 ( talk) 08:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I believe that I have resolved this issue by adding direct quotes and citations from eric that he made in his personal journal regarding bullying as noted by Peter Langman. Thus, I believe the message can be removed. Tellium ( talk) 02:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I removed a section using unreliable sources here. The sources were based on fictional events from a movie and not real-life occurrences. Came accross it on Reddit. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 20:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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"Motive inconclusive" to "Motives Mental health, bullying and school safety improvements." 2601:346:A80:3760:F0FB:6153:C4D3:B472 ( talk) 17:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Austin Eubanks died of a heroin overdose in 2019 after developing an addiction to opioids and other painkillers after the shooting. Should it be considered due to the shooting since, even though Harris and Klebold didn’t kill him, his death occurred because of the shooting and wouldn’t have happened (when it did and the way it did) if Columbine never happened, even though he’s never been (to my knowledge) considered a death from the attack by news outlets and other sources? MountainDew20 ( talk) 07:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
I dont want to be insensitive but it sais in the article that austin eubanks overcame opoid addiction but later states he died of a heroin overdose which seems like a contradiction? 2A00:23CC:C204:4C01:AE66:BC2E:D2EA:A4E5 ( talk) 06:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)