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I have edited the Description section to be a bit more organized and added some material with reference. Please let me know what you all think and if you have any suggestions for further improvement. RameyEA ( talk) 06:37, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I believe studies of pigeon cognitive ability have revealed some interesting facts, among them that they seem to do better with the "Monty Hall" problem than humans.
Perhaps this and under studies should be mentioned in a "Pigeon Cognition" section.-- Jrm2007 ( talk) 04:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
I've flagged the Taxonomy and systematics section as confusing because it starts talking about specific drinking behaviour of Columbiformes without introducing the concept. I am not an expert in this area and so I am simply flagging it as an issue. cuttellhell 02:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 13:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Columbidae →
Pigeon – better conforms to naming conventions like
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WP:PLURAL should be circumvented here because "Dove and pigeon" just doesn't sound right.–
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Thank You. :) ProgrammingGeek Adityavagarwal ( talk) 05:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
This article cites John H. Boyd III's website which is a self-published tertiary source. Although it is an interesting site that discusses recent phylogenetic publications it is not a suitable source for the phylogeny of birds in wikipedia articles. Boyd lists some of his sources and these should be consulted and cited. I note also that Boyd likes to speculate and go beyond the published data as he explains:
"My approach contrasts with most checklist committees. They usually put substantial weight on traditional classifications, and try to avoid speculation, even when its clear that the traditional classification is wrong. In particular, they try to avoid making erroneous changes, and put a premium on stability."
"This checklist has a different purpose. It exists to speculate, to map out potential changes in the taxonomy. The price of focusing on speculation is to give up stability."
and
"The instability of the TiF worldlist may make it unsuitable for everyday use, although it should serve the useful function of highlighting potential changes regardless of your preferred checklist."
So in addition to the website being a self-published source, the approach is not suitable for wikipedia articles where we avoid speculation and value consensus and stability. - Aa77zz ( talk) 10:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
There is no sane explanation as to how this gobbledygook became all by itself the very singular standalone title of this page. Change it back ASAP.
It is only an indication of how pervasive the extremist geeky editing has become on Wikipedia that is not just out of touch with reality but tramples on Wiki-editing rules and regulations in both letter and spirit.
This gibberish fails to meet even one of the 5 criteria:
It is neither of ANY of these things -- not even precision (which no doubt was the supposed intent). It is not a precise title because all throughout the article from top to bottom the word used is pigeon and dove. --Loginnigol 17:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
the word pigeon is different for pidgin. they are totally different allophones. can they put a disclaimer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.89.103.161 ( talk) 19:25, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
What about adding this animation to Columbidae#Behaviour? -- Leyo 15:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I suspect this article's Good Article status needs reviewing. Whole sections are missing (where is breeding?) the standard of citations is pretty poor, there are citation tags in the text, the lead has info not in the article (and cited, a relic from before the article's expansion) and at the beginning of behaviour there is this solitary and incomprehensible statement "Male pigeons are more opportunistic to mate with another female." This needs a lot more work before its close to GA standard. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
It looks like the Description section of the page could be clarified by creating separate subsections, including one on anatomy. The anatomy subsection would specifically include skeletal and muscular structures unique to Columbidae flight ability. We would also like to add a subsection about the flight feathers and agility. It would also link to the Bird anatomy page. Are there and other thoughts on this addition? RameyEA ( talk) 02:16, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
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The sentence in the lead "The species most commonly referred to as "pigeon" is the species known by scientists as the rock dove, one subspecies of which, the domestic pigeon, is common in many cities as the feral pigeon."
Should be changed to something like:
"The term "pigeon" used alone often refers to the domestic pigeon, which is common in many cities as the feral pigeon."
Scientists would largely know the species as Columba livia, and Rock Dove and Rock Pigeon are both in common use. And regardless, the current phrasing is redundant. Somatochlora ( talk) 15:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Doves and Pigeons have long necks, not short necks. It says in the description, "These are stout-bodied birds with short necks, and short slender bills that in some species feature fleshy ceres." I want the part that says "short necks" to be replaced with "long necks". This is because in comparison to many other songbird species, such as black capped chickadees, american goldfinches, northern cardinals and blue jays, doves and pigeons have a long neck, especially when raised high in alertness. Their neck only appears short when tucked into their body when resting or relaxed. In proportion to their body, their neck is fairly long. 166.48.100.82 ( talk) 23:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
The current taxonomy is from the personal website an economics professor and as such cannot be considered a reliable source, further some of the taxonomic names used like "Raphini" appear to be original inventions by the author. The use of Raphinae as a major subfamily is inconsistent with that of used by the wikipedia article, which consists only of two genera (and is now considered a good article). The change was initially made by Videsh Ramsahai on the 10th of December 2016, this has been brought up before, as well as in the 2017 article review and the issue wasn't resolved in either of the discussions. I don't know if any large scale phylogenies of columbidae have been done recently, but such sources should preferentially be used. Pinging users from the last discussion: @ Aa77zz: @ Alphathon: @ Esoteric bearcat: and relevant users @ Adityavagarwal:, @ FunkMonk:, @ WolfmanSF: and @ IJReid: Hemiauchenia ( talk) 04:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey friends, the page mixes up to events in the Gospel of Luke. The doves were not offered at the circumcision of Jesus but at his Presentation on the fortieth day. Luke 2:22-24 Anchisides ( talk) 11:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Pigeons can hear infrasound. With the average pigeon being able to hear sounds as low as 0.5 Hz, they can detect distant storms, earthquakes and even volcanoes. [1] [2] This also help them to navigate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.203.79 ( talk) 18:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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Cher Ami is described here as "she" while other articles about the pigeon indicate that Cher Ami is a cock and therefore a "he". Suggest either using "he" or neuter reference such as "the pigeon" as in other articles. 69.40.118.248 ( talk) 19:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
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section: feeding Descendants of the domestic rock doves (Columbia Livia) reside in urban environments, disturbing their natural feeding habits. Urban living pigeons depend on human activities and interactions to obtain food, causing them to food on crumbs, spilled food, and out of trash cans.
[1] Ksanch40 ( talk) 17:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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It is precisely the same as this article, but more poorly written. TTTime05 ( talk) 13:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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Columbidae is a bird family consisting of doves and pigeons. In English, the smaller species tend to be called doves and the larger ones pigeons, but this distinction is not always consistent and scientifically there is no separation between them. Pigeons and doves are distributed everywhere on Earth, except for the driest areas of the Sahara, Antarctica and its surrounding islands, and the high Arctic. The family has adapted to most of the habitats available on the planet. There is a considerable variation in size between species, ranging in length from 15 to 75 cm (6 to 30 in), and in weight from 30 g (1 oz) to above 2 kg (4 lb). Overall, the anatomy of Columbidae is characterized by short legs, short bills with a fleshy beak, and small heads on large, compact bodies. The wings are large, and have eleven primary feathers; they have strong wing muscles and are among the strongest fliers of all birds. They primarily feed on seeds, fruits, and plants. This red-eyed dove (Streptopelia semitorquata) was photographed on the Zambezi in Zimbabwe, near Kazungula Bridge. Photograph credit: Charles J. Sharp
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I have edited the Description section to be a bit more organized and added some material with reference. Please let me know what you all think and if you have any suggestions for further improvement. RameyEA ( talk) 06:37, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I believe studies of pigeon cognitive ability have revealed some interesting facts, among them that they seem to do better with the "Monty Hall" problem than humans.
Perhaps this and under studies should be mentioned in a "Pigeon Cognition" section.-- Jrm2007 ( talk) 04:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
I've flagged the Taxonomy and systematics section as confusing because it starts talking about specific drinking behaviour of Columbiformes without introducing the concept. I am not an expert in this area and so I am simply flagging it as an issue. cuttellhell 02:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 13:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Columbidae →
Pigeon – better conforms to naming conventions like
WP:COMMONNAME,
WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, and
WP:USEENGLISH.
WP:PLURAL should be circumvented here because "Dove and pigeon" just doesn't sound right.–
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(d) (copyvio and plagiarism) | Annoyingly, there's a chunk of text copy-pasted (see Copyvio Report, easy fix but I should point it out. | On hold |
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Article gives undue weight to far-right pigeon viewpoints. Kidding. | Pass |
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There have been a few reverts lately, though not significant enough for a fail. | Pass |
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Good luck. Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 11:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank You. :) ProgrammingGeek Adityavagarwal ( talk) 05:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
This article cites John H. Boyd III's website which is a self-published tertiary source. Although it is an interesting site that discusses recent phylogenetic publications it is not a suitable source for the phylogeny of birds in wikipedia articles. Boyd lists some of his sources and these should be consulted and cited. I note also that Boyd likes to speculate and go beyond the published data as he explains:
"My approach contrasts with most checklist committees. They usually put substantial weight on traditional classifications, and try to avoid speculation, even when its clear that the traditional classification is wrong. In particular, they try to avoid making erroneous changes, and put a premium on stability."
"This checklist has a different purpose. It exists to speculate, to map out potential changes in the taxonomy. The price of focusing on speculation is to give up stability."
and
"The instability of the TiF worldlist may make it unsuitable for everyday use, although it should serve the useful function of highlighting potential changes regardless of your preferred checklist."
So in addition to the website being a self-published source, the approach is not suitable for wikipedia articles where we avoid speculation and value consensus and stability. - Aa77zz ( talk) 10:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
There is no sane explanation as to how this gobbledygook became all by itself the very singular standalone title of this page. Change it back ASAP.
It is only an indication of how pervasive the extremist geeky editing has become on Wikipedia that is not just out of touch with reality but tramples on Wiki-editing rules and regulations in both letter and spirit.
This gibberish fails to meet even one of the 5 criteria:
It is neither of ANY of these things -- not even precision (which no doubt was the supposed intent). It is not a precise title because all throughout the article from top to bottom the word used is pigeon and dove. --Loginnigol 17:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
the word pigeon is different for pidgin. they are totally different allophones. can they put a disclaimer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.89.103.161 ( talk) 19:25, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
What about adding this animation to Columbidae#Behaviour? -- Leyo 15:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I suspect this article's Good Article status needs reviewing. Whole sections are missing (where is breeding?) the standard of citations is pretty poor, there are citation tags in the text, the lead has info not in the article (and cited, a relic from before the article's expansion) and at the beginning of behaviour there is this solitary and incomprehensible statement "Male pigeons are more opportunistic to mate with another female." This needs a lot more work before its close to GA standard. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
It looks like the Description section of the page could be clarified by creating separate subsections, including one on anatomy. The anatomy subsection would specifically include skeletal and muscular structures unique to Columbidae flight ability. We would also like to add a subsection about the flight feathers and agility. It would also link to the Bird anatomy page. Are there and other thoughts on this addition? RameyEA ( talk) 02:16, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
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The sentence in the lead "The species most commonly referred to as "pigeon" is the species known by scientists as the rock dove, one subspecies of which, the domestic pigeon, is common in many cities as the feral pigeon."
Should be changed to something like:
"The term "pigeon" used alone often refers to the domestic pigeon, which is common in many cities as the feral pigeon."
Scientists would largely know the species as Columba livia, and Rock Dove and Rock Pigeon are both in common use. And regardless, the current phrasing is redundant. Somatochlora ( talk) 15:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Doves and Pigeons have long necks, not short necks. It says in the description, "These are stout-bodied birds with short necks, and short slender bills that in some species feature fleshy ceres." I want the part that says "short necks" to be replaced with "long necks". This is because in comparison to many other songbird species, such as black capped chickadees, american goldfinches, northern cardinals and blue jays, doves and pigeons have a long neck, especially when raised high in alertness. Their neck only appears short when tucked into their body when resting or relaxed. In proportion to their body, their neck is fairly long. 166.48.100.82 ( talk) 23:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
The current taxonomy is from the personal website an economics professor and as such cannot be considered a reliable source, further some of the taxonomic names used like "Raphini" appear to be original inventions by the author. The use of Raphinae as a major subfamily is inconsistent with that of used by the wikipedia article, which consists only of two genera (and is now considered a good article). The change was initially made by Videsh Ramsahai on the 10th of December 2016, this has been brought up before, as well as in the 2017 article review and the issue wasn't resolved in either of the discussions. I don't know if any large scale phylogenies of columbidae have been done recently, but such sources should preferentially be used. Pinging users from the last discussion: @ Aa77zz: @ Alphathon: @ Esoteric bearcat: and relevant users @ Adityavagarwal:, @ FunkMonk:, @ WolfmanSF: and @ IJReid: Hemiauchenia ( talk) 04:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey friends, the page mixes up to events in the Gospel of Luke. The doves were not offered at the circumcision of Jesus but at his Presentation on the fortieth day. Luke 2:22-24 Anchisides ( talk) 11:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Pigeons can hear infrasound. With the average pigeon being able to hear sounds as low as 0.5 Hz, they can detect distant storms, earthquakes and even volcanoes. [1] [2] This also help them to navigate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.203.79 ( talk) 18:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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Cher Ami is described here as "she" while other articles about the pigeon indicate that Cher Ami is a cock and therefore a "he". Suggest either using "he" or neuter reference such as "the pigeon" as in other articles. 69.40.118.248 ( talk) 19:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
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section: feeding Descendants of the domestic rock doves (Columbia Livia) reside in urban environments, disturbing their natural feeding habits. Urban living pigeons depend on human activities and interactions to obtain food, causing them to food on crumbs, spilled food, and out of trash cans.
[1] Ksanch40 ( talk) 17:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
References
It is precisely the same as this article, but more poorly written. TTTime05 ( talk) 13:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! This is to let editors know that File:Red-eyed dove (Streptopelia semitorquata).jpg, a featured picture used in this article, has been selected as the English Wikipedia's picture of the day (POTD) for December 5, 2023. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2023-12-05. For the greater benefit of readers, any potential improvements or maintenance that could benefit the quality of this article should be done before its scheduled appearance on the Main Page. If you have any concerns, please place a message at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! — Amakuru ( talk) 21:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Columbidae is a bird family consisting of doves and pigeons. In English, the smaller species tend to be called doves and the larger ones pigeons, but this distinction is not always consistent and scientifically there is no separation between them. Pigeons and doves are distributed everywhere on Earth, except for the driest areas of the Sahara, Antarctica and its surrounding islands, and the high Arctic. The family has adapted to most of the habitats available on the planet. There is a considerable variation in size between species, ranging in length from 15 to 75 cm (6 to 30 in), and in weight from 30 g (1 oz) to above 2 kg (4 lb). Overall, the anatomy of Columbidae is characterized by short legs, short bills with a fleshy beak, and small heads on large, compact bodies. The wings are large, and have eleven primary feathers; they have strong wing muscles and are among the strongest fliers of all birds. They primarily feed on seeds, fruits, and plants. This red-eyed dove (Streptopelia semitorquata) was photographed on the Zambezi in Zimbabwe, near Kazungula Bridge. Photograph credit: Charles J. Sharp
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The statement that the Passenger Pigeon is the only non-island species to go extinct is incorrect. Should it be the only species of the family not an island species to go extinct? Dzbech ( talk) 02:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)