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This month Colin Jackson became the patron of the Fairbridge Cymru youth work charity. See - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education-news/2008/09/11/jackson-winner-with-youth-charity-91466-21792556/
Is that relevant enough to include under his recent activities? I think that he is also a patron of a kidney research group, but I don't have a link about that. Dewi Rees ( talk) 19:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it correct that Suzanne Packer (Tess in Casualty) is his sister? -- MartinUK 23:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Yes. Her surname is adopted from her mother's maiden name as the name Suzanne Jackson was already registered with Equity.
Does Colin Jackson have any religious views? He strikes me as having an air of wouldn't-turn-down- Songs of Praise about him. -- Bonalaw 10:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
This entry consisted solely of reference to a rumoured fact 'in some circles' which hardly seemed substantive and proved not to be borne out by a google search. The presence of a 'Personal Life' entry doesn't seem a necessary element of wiki biographies of similar sportsmen for example: Linford Christie.
Therefore I removed it.
Can that user please stop removing the part about Colin's sexuality. We are in the 21st century and 'defamation' is NOT discussing whether someone is gay or otherwise. You should probably take a look at the Talk page of Ricky Martin, you'll be there for a while cleaning up all the "rumours"!. If anyone has any sources to prove he is 'gay' then please post them in the article, it IS relevant. But that will never appear in Wikipedia, and the explanation comes in this line: "We can't go around calling people gay..." Take out the word "gay" and try substituting: "straight," "Protestant," or "white," and the quote is ludicrous. Being classified as gay here is, unfortunately, still an insult and one must tread carefully. And nothing, absolutely nothing, short of a photo of Colin en flagrante with another male, will hold up in wikipedia's self-appointed court of correctness. 88.111.192.122 10:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
By the way your google search is a bit misleading, after the first page of conjecture in blogs most of the articles seem to be about Tyson Gay. Catchpole 21:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Do not do original research but report what others have said; your bed-cam fails WP:OR. Do not editorialise, but quote what others have said. Blogs are not good, see WP:RS. Published articles are good whether they are fact of fiction; they can be presented as claims from other parties. Wikipedia is not about proof or truth. It just reports what published opinions are out there. Everycase is different, and every case requires consensus. There are no lines that can be drawn that say this is reliable and this is not. Consensus building is the key. Some sources are much better than others and common sense would dictate how different sources lie on the reliability gradient. If this is not clear enough then read WP:RS and WP:WEB. David D. (Talk) 03:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me for giving up three-quarters of the way through all that but I just thought I'd say, for whatever it may be worth, in a newspaper article (probably in the News of the World, if not, then The Sun) a man spoke of his gay affair with Colin Jackson. I can't recall it all but I remember reading Jackson ended the relationship by saying something like "You're thick. You are way below my intellect!" That was pretty much verbatim, funnily enough. This all happened when Jackson was on the TV a lot, so during some athletic games or Strictly Come Dancing. It was within the past year. Now if anyone's got the edition of that paper...
I'm maybe a little late on for this discussion but I hope anyone else finding this sees's this article. I'm not personally a big fan of any UK newspapers as they seem to print what they want when they want but this at least appears to be quoting Mr Jackson (who having met when I was a young athlete, is as good a role model as there can be for youngsters). I'll just throw it in here (if you read the URL it is a little different to the content itself, and therefore a little misleading at first glance). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-529649/Im-gay-I-like-single-says-Olympic-star-Colin-Jackson.html. I do think sexuality "can" play a part in something like wikipedia, in the relams of noting if someone is married or if any partnerships (of any orientation) are of particular interest. Otherwise I feel like others in this post where it does not matter if it is not posted on their wikipedia page, and if someone wants to keep that part of their life out of the private eye, we should be gracious enough to observe that fact, and to go all out to get a defnitive "straight or gay" answer is a little insulting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smellyape ( talk • contribs) 11:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is it mentioned four times that wine gums are his favourite food? Do they even classify as a proper food? Will ( talk) 03:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
At the risk of stirring the shit, it's a lot more interesting than whether he's gay or not. WT 10/8/16
Does anyone know his PB over 100m flat? I seem to recall that he ran the event a few times at the height of his career - usually as a "novelty match-up" against Linford Christie. Despite his prowess over the hurdles, I seem to think that his 100m time was fairly "ordinary" (no slight intended....). It might be worth putting in to highlight his mastery of the technical aspects of hurdling....Just a thought... 82.3.148.90 ( talk) 16:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
User:Kevin_McE has arbitrarily decided to delete the well sourced reference to Colin's admission that he's gay, deciding all by himself that this is "not exceptional" and that it is "Not part of a career" and therefore not worth noting. Wikipedia is not a Jobs Encyclopedia - it has always covered the biographical and personal side of notable people even if they are known primarily for their careers, athletic and otherwise. So I'm inserting it back. Straight personalities, for example, have confirmed information about relationships and sexual identity inserted into their entries without major controversy. It is always LGBT people (especially LGBT male people in masculine professions) who are subjected to this concern trolling campaign by certain editors who consciously or not are engaged in a campaign to deny awareness of non-heterosexual identities of everyone except perhaps porn actors and professional activists. (Curiously enough, Colin's past denials of being gay have never before being edited out. Why should his admission that he is, then, be?) Rafe87 ( talk) 15:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Of course I decided to do it: it wasn't accidental. I'm glad we agree that it was an arbitrary decision.
This is utterly idiotic. This very entry is an example of such an article. For years this entry has displayed Collin's previous denials that he is gay, thereby implying he is straight. There are tons such articles all throughout Wikipedia. If denials that one's gay are notable enough to include in the entry, then so are admissions.You find me one single biography of a living person on Wikipedia that asserts that the person is heterosexual without reference to specific relationships.
Probably of people who have never said anything about that aspect of themselves. Colin has. It's you who are invested in denying that fact. If you delete this information again, we're going to arbitration.I could refer you to thousands of biographical articles that make no reference to anyone's sexuality.
Oh you got me. I'm really campaigning all over Wikipedia, by including links to reliable sources relaying things that happened. I'm that biased a Gay Agendist!reading something like that makes me assume that you are more interested in campaigning than building a valid encyclopaedia.
It is still there, sweetheart. You should read the entry you're so impassioned about editing things out of. Rafe87 ( talk) 15:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)Really? What line of the article are these accusations on right now?
I see no reason not to make an appropriate, reliably sourced mention of coming out etc. in the article. I believe the article body is OK in this respect as it currently stands (content-wise, while presentation could be improved upon).
Regarding the categories, this is what WP:EGRS#Sexuality has to say:
Note WP:EGRS is two-pronged (self-identified and relevant), and while the first prong is obviously satisfied, in my opinion the second isn't. I don't see evidence that his public coming out (which is all we have at the moment) is particularly notable or impactful, and I don't see that some sort of instant-relevance can be established in a matter of days after his announcement. So, at least for the time being, I'd favor a conservative approach in accordance with the spirit of WP:BLP, and I'd support the removal of LGBT-related categories from the article. GregorB ( talk) 17:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Birchgrove Harriers had been merged with Cardiff Athletics Club by the time he was running.
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This month Colin Jackson became the patron of the Fairbridge Cymru youth work charity. See - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education-news/2008/09/11/jackson-winner-with-youth-charity-91466-21792556/
Is that relevant enough to include under his recent activities? I think that he is also a patron of a kidney research group, but I don't have a link about that. Dewi Rees ( talk) 19:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it correct that Suzanne Packer (Tess in Casualty) is his sister? -- MartinUK 23:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Yes. Her surname is adopted from her mother's maiden name as the name Suzanne Jackson was already registered with Equity.
Does Colin Jackson have any religious views? He strikes me as having an air of wouldn't-turn-down- Songs of Praise about him. -- Bonalaw 10:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
This entry consisted solely of reference to a rumoured fact 'in some circles' which hardly seemed substantive and proved not to be borne out by a google search. The presence of a 'Personal Life' entry doesn't seem a necessary element of wiki biographies of similar sportsmen for example: Linford Christie.
Therefore I removed it.
Can that user please stop removing the part about Colin's sexuality. We are in the 21st century and 'defamation' is NOT discussing whether someone is gay or otherwise. You should probably take a look at the Talk page of Ricky Martin, you'll be there for a while cleaning up all the "rumours"!. If anyone has any sources to prove he is 'gay' then please post them in the article, it IS relevant. But that will never appear in Wikipedia, and the explanation comes in this line: "We can't go around calling people gay..." Take out the word "gay" and try substituting: "straight," "Protestant," or "white," and the quote is ludicrous. Being classified as gay here is, unfortunately, still an insult and one must tread carefully. And nothing, absolutely nothing, short of a photo of Colin en flagrante with another male, will hold up in wikipedia's self-appointed court of correctness. 88.111.192.122 10:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
By the way your google search is a bit misleading, after the first page of conjecture in blogs most of the articles seem to be about Tyson Gay. Catchpole 21:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Do not do original research but report what others have said; your bed-cam fails WP:OR. Do not editorialise, but quote what others have said. Blogs are not good, see WP:RS. Published articles are good whether they are fact of fiction; they can be presented as claims from other parties. Wikipedia is not about proof or truth. It just reports what published opinions are out there. Everycase is different, and every case requires consensus. There are no lines that can be drawn that say this is reliable and this is not. Consensus building is the key. Some sources are much better than others and common sense would dictate how different sources lie on the reliability gradient. If this is not clear enough then read WP:RS and WP:WEB. David D. (Talk) 03:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me for giving up three-quarters of the way through all that but I just thought I'd say, for whatever it may be worth, in a newspaper article (probably in the News of the World, if not, then The Sun) a man spoke of his gay affair with Colin Jackson. I can't recall it all but I remember reading Jackson ended the relationship by saying something like "You're thick. You are way below my intellect!" That was pretty much verbatim, funnily enough. This all happened when Jackson was on the TV a lot, so during some athletic games or Strictly Come Dancing. It was within the past year. Now if anyone's got the edition of that paper...
I'm maybe a little late on for this discussion but I hope anyone else finding this sees's this article. I'm not personally a big fan of any UK newspapers as they seem to print what they want when they want but this at least appears to be quoting Mr Jackson (who having met when I was a young athlete, is as good a role model as there can be for youngsters). I'll just throw it in here (if you read the URL it is a little different to the content itself, and therefore a little misleading at first glance). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-529649/Im-gay-I-like-single-says-Olympic-star-Colin-Jackson.html. I do think sexuality "can" play a part in something like wikipedia, in the relams of noting if someone is married or if any partnerships (of any orientation) are of particular interest. Otherwise I feel like others in this post where it does not matter if it is not posted on their wikipedia page, and if someone wants to keep that part of their life out of the private eye, we should be gracious enough to observe that fact, and to go all out to get a defnitive "straight or gay" answer is a little insulting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smellyape ( talk • contribs) 11:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is it mentioned four times that wine gums are his favourite food? Do they even classify as a proper food? Will ( talk) 03:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
At the risk of stirring the shit, it's a lot more interesting than whether he's gay or not. WT 10/8/16
Does anyone know his PB over 100m flat? I seem to recall that he ran the event a few times at the height of his career - usually as a "novelty match-up" against Linford Christie. Despite his prowess over the hurdles, I seem to think that his 100m time was fairly "ordinary" (no slight intended....). It might be worth putting in to highlight his mastery of the technical aspects of hurdling....Just a thought... 82.3.148.90 ( talk) 16:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
User:Kevin_McE has arbitrarily decided to delete the well sourced reference to Colin's admission that he's gay, deciding all by himself that this is "not exceptional" and that it is "Not part of a career" and therefore not worth noting. Wikipedia is not a Jobs Encyclopedia - it has always covered the biographical and personal side of notable people even if they are known primarily for their careers, athletic and otherwise. So I'm inserting it back. Straight personalities, for example, have confirmed information about relationships and sexual identity inserted into their entries without major controversy. It is always LGBT people (especially LGBT male people in masculine professions) who are subjected to this concern trolling campaign by certain editors who consciously or not are engaged in a campaign to deny awareness of non-heterosexual identities of everyone except perhaps porn actors and professional activists. (Curiously enough, Colin's past denials of being gay have never before being edited out. Why should his admission that he is, then, be?) Rafe87 ( talk) 15:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Of course I decided to do it: it wasn't accidental. I'm glad we agree that it was an arbitrary decision.
This is utterly idiotic. This very entry is an example of such an article. For years this entry has displayed Collin's previous denials that he is gay, thereby implying he is straight. There are tons such articles all throughout Wikipedia. If denials that one's gay are notable enough to include in the entry, then so are admissions.You find me one single biography of a living person on Wikipedia that asserts that the person is heterosexual without reference to specific relationships.
Probably of people who have never said anything about that aspect of themselves. Colin has. It's you who are invested in denying that fact. If you delete this information again, we're going to arbitration.I could refer you to thousands of biographical articles that make no reference to anyone's sexuality.
Oh you got me. I'm really campaigning all over Wikipedia, by including links to reliable sources relaying things that happened. I'm that biased a Gay Agendist!reading something like that makes me assume that you are more interested in campaigning than building a valid encyclopaedia.
It is still there, sweetheart. You should read the entry you're so impassioned about editing things out of. Rafe87 ( talk) 15:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)Really? What line of the article are these accusations on right now?
I see no reason not to make an appropriate, reliably sourced mention of coming out etc. in the article. I believe the article body is OK in this respect as it currently stands (content-wise, while presentation could be improved upon).
Regarding the categories, this is what WP:EGRS#Sexuality has to say:
Note WP:EGRS is two-pronged (self-identified and relevant), and while the first prong is obviously satisfied, in my opinion the second isn't. I don't see evidence that his public coming out (which is all we have at the moment) is particularly notable or impactful, and I don't see that some sort of instant-relevance can be established in a matter of days after his announcement. So, at least for the time being, I'd favor a conservative approach in accordance with the spirit of WP:BLP, and I'd support the removal of LGBT-related categories from the article. GregorB ( talk) 17:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Birchgrove Harriers had been merged with Cardiff Athletics Club by the time he was running.