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If you must combine these articles, they need to be under Cold War, not Cold war, as The Cold War was a specific war and hence a proper noun. -- nknight 13:00 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)
I don't think the Taiwan issue qualifies as a cold war. It's more of an unresolved civil war. --
Jiang 20:44 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)
All linking articles about the Cold War have now been redirected to
Cold War. --
GCarty 17:30 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Regarding moving this to Wiktionary, essentially it's the equivalent of what many folks have wanted to do -- merge this with Cold War (proper) and explain the concept of a Cold war within that article. Jiang is correct re: China vs. Taiwan, is not referred to as a cold war. It's a continuation of civil war that goes back to the early part of the 20th century. Greece and Turkey were seen as critical countries during the Cold War because the USSR would see it as a NATO weakness if there was a conflict, but as such, they are not referred to widely as being involved in a cold war. That said, there is no real reason for this article to exist alone. It should be merged with the Cold War article. Fuzheado 07:39, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I searched for "cold war" ended up here was loking for "Cold War" article... whats going on here? -- kunjan1029 05:26, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
We Need More Information on this Topic! It was an important part of Cold War History! Čóļđ Ŵãř is an Important Even wich needs all the information!
eso es pura mentira bola de creidos no sirven para nada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.78.191.178 ( talk) 18:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Is the situation between India and Pakistan not considered a cold war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by THE DJA ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC) its all a bunch of bull —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.19.74.215 ( talk) 14:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it supposed to be United States and Israel vs. Iran, or am I missing something here? Sirius85 ( talk) 18:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Which came first: the war tactic or the conflict? Did the term inspire the name of the conflict or did the conflict inspire the term? 76.179.52.183 ( talk) 18:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
From the article: "1871–1914: United Kingdom, France, and Russian Empire vs. Germany and Austria–Hungary set off by the formation of the German Empire, which politically and geographically challenged the older empires of Europe." I disagree with the Russian Empire standing on the side of France and the UK. The 'Dreikaiserbund' in 1873 established quite a strong relationship between Germany, Austria and Russia. It was only in the last years before WW1 that Russia moved over to the France-UK side, starting with the Franco-Russian alliance in 1893. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.240.84.155 ( talk) 14:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Anders Stephanson from Columbioa University quite efficiently and comprehensively disproves the notion of Don Juan being the primal source of the term. See this link to his essay., I shall also post it to the 'See Also'. 195.35.252.14 ( talk) 16:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
There is a rough consensus against merging Cold war (general term) with Cold War II. Editors noted that the two articles refer to distinct topics: Cold war (general term) refers to the general term, while Cold War II refers to Russia/China vs. Western tensions. Cunard ( talk) 05:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
The " Cold War II" page was created as a response to the possible tensions between the Russian and the West. Later, the section about the China–US relations was added. Sections about other relations were already moved to the article, " Cold war (general term)." Shall we do the same to this article? George Ho ( talk) 07:16, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Peter, I want to confront you about inserting "original research" into Cold War-related discussions. While
WP:NOR does not apply to talk pages, your proposal (merging into "Cold War") might violate the policy. If you are certain that Cold War has not ended, please either add stuff at
Historiography of the Cold War or discuss the run of the Cold War at
Talk:Historiography of the Cold War. You can repeatedly say the same arguments over and over as you did here and at
Talk:Cold War II. I fear that your rationale and proposal would be discarded as one of unverified "conspiracy theories". But I must cooperate with you, and you must do the same with me. I found
just this source,
that source,
this source,
that source.
George Ho (
talk) 05:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC); edited, 05:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Dustin, the consensus agreed that "Cold War II" is not a successor to the "Cold War". -- George Ho ( talk) 08:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Axxxion, we have used Talk:Cold War II to reduce article issues, like original research and advocacy and propaganda. With a lot of talking, the article content was trimmed down from this to that to that to what it is now. I haven't seen you comment about the China vs. US yet. You were solely concerned about the Russia–Western relations, weren't you? George Ho ( talk) 11:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I invite you to the discussion. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I have a document which was written by the Chief of Signal Intelligence for the Germans during World War 2. General Albert Praun. Praun was the Chief Signal Officer of Army High Command and of Supreme Command of Armed Forces ( German: Chef des Heeresnachrichtenwesens). Essentially the top guy for Signal Intelligence for the Germans during WW 2. The document was written by him in March 1950, as Homework for TICOM and the document was so important that it was classified by the NSA up until 28th January 2014, when it was released. The document is written as a history of the radio intelligence and intercept service, and in the introduction, he explicitly details the phrase: cold war of the air waves. It is possibly the origin of the term. It was very important document, which carried weight, from an important man, with the American military industrial complex. Could be. I have a feeling it is, as it was in there.. scope_creep ( talk) 15:12, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Many commentators have described the state of the U.S. and elsewhere as a "cold civil war", suggesting that the term "cold war" can also refer to conflicts between opposing factions within a country rather than just one between nations as is given in the opening sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinus jeffreyi ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as proposed since the original request to remove "general" from the title has gone uncontested. There is no consensus on the secondary question of whether to remove the disambiguation altogether. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 05:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Cold war (general term) →
Cold war (term) – There's no need to say "general" here. This is
the only article on enwiki that uses the disambiguator "general term", while
29 use just "term". I don't see why this should be any different. (N.B.: This is a somewhat unusual case where
WP:DIFFCAPS has not been invoked [
Cold war →
Cold War], but I agree with that status quo. DIFFCAPS is ill-suited for cases where the only difference is the first letter of the second word in a two-word phrase, where many readers won't make a distinction between capitalizing or not capitalizing that letter.) --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 00:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 17:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Cold war (term) → Cold war – Per WP:DIFFCAPS, WP:NCCPT and WP:CONCISE, like the Islamic State and the Islamic state. Parham wiki ( talk) 09:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 13:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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If you must combine these articles, they need to be under Cold War, not Cold war, as The Cold War was a specific war and hence a proper noun. -- nknight 13:00 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)
I don't think the Taiwan issue qualifies as a cold war. It's more of an unresolved civil war. --
Jiang 20:44 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)
All linking articles about the Cold War have now been redirected to
Cold War. --
GCarty 17:30 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Regarding moving this to Wiktionary, essentially it's the equivalent of what many folks have wanted to do -- merge this with Cold War (proper) and explain the concept of a Cold war within that article. Jiang is correct re: China vs. Taiwan, is not referred to as a cold war. It's a continuation of civil war that goes back to the early part of the 20th century. Greece and Turkey were seen as critical countries during the Cold War because the USSR would see it as a NATO weakness if there was a conflict, but as such, they are not referred to widely as being involved in a cold war. That said, there is no real reason for this article to exist alone. It should be merged with the Cold War article. Fuzheado 07:39, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I searched for "cold war" ended up here was loking for "Cold War" article... whats going on here? -- kunjan1029 05:26, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
We Need More Information on this Topic! It was an important part of Cold War History! Čóļđ Ŵãř is an Important Even wich needs all the information!
eso es pura mentira bola de creidos no sirven para nada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.78.191.178 ( talk) 18:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Is the situation between India and Pakistan not considered a cold war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by THE DJA ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC) its all a bunch of bull —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.19.74.215 ( talk) 14:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it supposed to be United States and Israel vs. Iran, or am I missing something here? Sirius85 ( talk) 18:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Which came first: the war tactic or the conflict? Did the term inspire the name of the conflict or did the conflict inspire the term? 76.179.52.183 ( talk) 18:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
From the article: "1871–1914: United Kingdom, France, and Russian Empire vs. Germany and Austria–Hungary set off by the formation of the German Empire, which politically and geographically challenged the older empires of Europe." I disagree with the Russian Empire standing on the side of France and the UK. The 'Dreikaiserbund' in 1873 established quite a strong relationship between Germany, Austria and Russia. It was only in the last years before WW1 that Russia moved over to the France-UK side, starting with the Franco-Russian alliance in 1893. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.240.84.155 ( talk) 14:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Anders Stephanson from Columbioa University quite efficiently and comprehensively disproves the notion of Don Juan being the primal source of the term. See this link to his essay., I shall also post it to the 'See Also'. 195.35.252.14 ( talk) 16:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
There is a rough consensus against merging Cold war (general term) with Cold War II. Editors noted that the two articles refer to distinct topics: Cold war (general term) refers to the general term, while Cold War II refers to Russia/China vs. Western tensions. Cunard ( talk) 05:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
The " Cold War II" page was created as a response to the possible tensions between the Russian and the West. Later, the section about the China–US relations was added. Sections about other relations were already moved to the article, " Cold war (general term)." Shall we do the same to this article? George Ho ( talk) 07:16, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Peter, I want to confront you about inserting "original research" into Cold War-related discussions. While
WP:NOR does not apply to talk pages, your proposal (merging into "Cold War") might violate the policy. If you are certain that Cold War has not ended, please either add stuff at
Historiography of the Cold War or discuss the run of the Cold War at
Talk:Historiography of the Cold War. You can repeatedly say the same arguments over and over as you did here and at
Talk:Cold War II. I fear that your rationale and proposal would be discarded as one of unverified "conspiracy theories". But I must cooperate with you, and you must do the same with me. I found
just this source,
that source,
this source,
that source.
George Ho (
talk) 05:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC); edited, 05:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Dustin, the consensus agreed that "Cold War II" is not a successor to the "Cold War". -- George Ho ( talk) 08:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Axxxion, we have used Talk:Cold War II to reduce article issues, like original research and advocacy and propaganda. With a lot of talking, the article content was trimmed down from this to that to that to what it is now. I haven't seen you comment about the China vs. US yet. You were solely concerned about the Russia–Western relations, weren't you? George Ho ( talk) 11:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I invite you to the discussion. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I have a document which was written by the Chief of Signal Intelligence for the Germans during World War 2. General Albert Praun. Praun was the Chief Signal Officer of Army High Command and of Supreme Command of Armed Forces ( German: Chef des Heeresnachrichtenwesens). Essentially the top guy for Signal Intelligence for the Germans during WW 2. The document was written by him in March 1950, as Homework for TICOM and the document was so important that it was classified by the NSA up until 28th January 2014, when it was released. The document is written as a history of the radio intelligence and intercept service, and in the introduction, he explicitly details the phrase: cold war of the air waves. It is possibly the origin of the term. It was very important document, which carried weight, from an important man, with the American military industrial complex. Could be. I have a feeling it is, as it was in there.. scope_creep ( talk) 15:12, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Many commentators have described the state of the U.S. and elsewhere as a "cold civil war", suggesting that the term "cold war" can also refer to conflicts between opposing factions within a country rather than just one between nations as is given in the opening sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinus jeffreyi ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as proposed since the original request to remove "general" from the title has gone uncontested. There is no consensus on the secondary question of whether to remove the disambiguation altogether. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 05:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Cold war (general term) →
Cold war (term) – There's no need to say "general" here. This is
the only article on enwiki that uses the disambiguator "general term", while
29 use just "term". I don't see why this should be any different. (N.B.: This is a somewhat unusual case where
WP:DIFFCAPS has not been invoked [
Cold war →
Cold War], but I agree with that status quo. DIFFCAPS is ill-suited for cases where the only difference is the first letter of the second word in a two-word phrase, where many readers won't make a distinction between capitalizing or not capitalizing that letter.) --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 00:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 17:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Cold war (term) → Cold war – Per WP:DIFFCAPS, WP:NCCPT and WP:CONCISE, like the Islamic State and the Islamic state. Parham wiki ( talk) 09:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 13:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)