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Who ever wrote that cockatiels are non-destructive has never owned one. They have big beaks just like all the other 'toos and can chew through wire, wood, paper cardboard, thin plastic, cork, etc. They also have beaks that constantly grow, so they *need* to chew things.
http://www.cockatielcottage.net/basics.html "Cockatiels find toys that can be chewed on, shredded apart, moved, tossed around, pulled apart, interesting . "
"Since cockatiels are inquisitive, they enjoy exploring rooms. Exploring is done with their beaks and this also means chewing. Cockatiels will chew on paper, cloth, wood, rubber, metal and anything else that catches their attention. Chewing is instinctive behavior and has to be watched carefully."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.104.204 ( talk • contribs) 03:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Parrot taxonomy is a turnup! The Australian cockatoos are correct per the latest HANZAB list. Unfortunately, HANZAB does not cover New Guinea or the islands of South-east Asia, nor does my wonderful big Australian Parrots book, and I'm reduced to on-line sources. Doubtless there is an authoritative site out there somewhere, but the ones I've seen so far do not inspire confidence. The rule sems to be if anyone, anywhere, has ever described something as a parrot, or maybe just vaguely like a parrot, then lump it in and hope for the best - and if that leaves us with 1759 different species, all with at least three alternative names, then so much the better. Anyway, from the last-mentioned Australian species (Sulphur-crested Cockatoo) on down, my list is mostly guesswork. Improve it if you can. Tannin 13:56 27 May 2003 (UTC)
Like it or not, the correct names are hyphenated. It is not a Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoo, for example, it is a Yellow-tailed Black-Cockatoo. Personally, I dislike the hyphenated second part, but the bird's correct and official name is indeed the bird's correct and official name. I don't see how we at Wikipedia can change that. Hell, I call Magpie-larks Mudlarks. Does that mean I should change that too? Tannin 11:20, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Contribute at Talk:Parrot#What is a parrot? or, Are cockatoos parrots? Nurg 09:17, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The following annecdote should be included in the text. I came here to look for more information on the alledge intelligence of cockatoos after reading "treaded"'s comments on slashdot:
More pictures could be added and make the page more interesting. The pictures could be kept tidy in a gallery of pictures. Snowman 23:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure if a gallery will work or not. Perhaps the short-billed black cockatoo picture could me moved to its own species page. Snowman 13:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Can the phrases "white cockatoo" and "black cockatoo" be explained? Some cockaoos are grey feathers and some are have some pink feathers.
Perhaps it would be good to have a picture of the black palm cocktoo (famous symbol) on the cockatoo artical page as well a white cockatoo.
Snowman
10:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
No merge: Cockatoos can use their beak for lots of tasks and all of the tasks can not be listed. Other parrots do this as well ie black headed caiques and African Grey parrots. The article on beak handing is for AfD and sounds like original work. There are no citations on the Cockatoo beak handing page. Snowman 12:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
"The name cockatoo originated from the Malay name for these birds, kakaktua, which translates literally as older sister (from kakak, "sister," and tua, "old")." - is this 100%? "Kaka" means "parrot" at least in the Polynesian branch of the Austronesian language family. and while in Bahasa Indonesia it is indeed "kakaktua", the form "kakatua" is frequently found in Bahasa Melayu sources. Dysmorodrepanis 19:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
What I found were these links: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kakatua, http://www.asiamaya.com/dictionary/kakatua.htm, http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/pincers. It seems "kakak" means sister and "tua" means old. However, "kakatua" means pincers. Pincers would make more sence too. MichielD 10:38, 3 January 2007 (CET)
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Do we talk tribe or subfamily on this page? Snowman 13:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be some original research in the Musical Ability section. I added a tag. 72.93.215.79 ( talk) 05:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I sorta had an idea the best species to have in the taxobox was the type species of Cacatua, whichever one that is...Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 10:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
The Relationship with humans section needs a subsection on pest potential/issues. (Galahs and Sulphure Cresteds are the main ones in Oz, also Corellas). Sorry, just saw the sentences. Cheers,
Casliber (
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10:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree that there is widespread support for the family being treated as separate from the other parrots. But I think the statement Placement of the cockatoos as a separate family is fairly undisputed is inaccurate. As recently as 2003 the Howard and Moore checklist had them as a subfamily, and the IUCN and Birdlife still do. Thoughts? Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Colour differences between the male and female in the Gang-gang Cockatoo and some of the black cockatoos is worth mentioning. Snowman ( talk) 00:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there is little on cockatoos as a whole in either the Lendon book I have (it just goes through all the species and is rather old now) or Forshaw. I will see what I can track down at UNSW library when there next as this would be terrific to really polish off an aviculture section well. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Some old books have the genus Cacatua written as Kakatoë - this might be good to note, must be a reference somewhere. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Christidis and Boles 2008 place Major Mitchell Cocky in Lophochroa, noting Courtney 1996 who reported it has the most atypical food-begging display of all white cockatoos. Brown and Toft noted it was an early divergent lineage like Eolophus was, and made a case for the genus then. So..do we want to roll with this? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
PS: Other major headache which is left in 'too hard' basket it looks is that Cacatua sulphurea seems to lie within C. galerita. :P
Kakatoe is evidently a synonym for Cacatua but, curiously, is an older term, the authority being Cuvier in 1800, while Cacatua comes from Vieillot in 1817. I can only speculate that Cacatua was designated the 'correct' generic name, and Kakatoe apparently suppressed and priority overturned for some technical reason, such as confusion over how Kakatoe was applied, a number of variant spellings (e.g. Kakadoe, Cacatoes) being used at various times, and the need for stabilisation. Perhaps the best place to sort this out here would be on the so-far-nonexistent page for the genus (Cacatua currently redirects to Cockatoo). There must be some decision recorded in the ICZN Bulletin at some time, if anyone has access to it. Maias ( talk) 03:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. I got a ref for his depicting cockatoos...and see the pictures. Be nice to get one in the article really. He really liked cockatoos.... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
With regard to early European records of cockatoos, it might pay to check out Antonio Pigafetta's narrative of his voyage around the world with Magellan in the early 16th century. They were about the first Europeans to visit the Philippines and Moluccas. Unfortunately I do not have a copy and have not read it, but Pigafetta is said to have written a comprehensive and accurate account of his travels, including mention of the flora and fauna. There may be even earlier depictions from China, if cockatoos ever reached there as trade items. Maias ( talk) 04:51, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I was musing on something about the longevity - when I was a kid I heard stories of "Cocky Bennett" who was a sulphur-crested who alledgeldy lived to 120 years. Googling him is interesting..finding a reliable source discussing the possiblity of his longevity may be a challenge. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Cookie, a parrot that is at least 75 years old housed in Brookfield Zoo. There is a photograph on the Major Mitchell's Cockatoo page. Is this worth a mention? Snowman ( talk) 13:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Times Online: Python eating cockatoo Green Squares ( talk) 20:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
The HBW certainly doesn't mention much about the difficulties of keeping cockatoos, although their status as pets only really merits three short paragraphs in the "relationship with humans" section. Considerably more is said about the impact of the trade on wild species, and their status as pests in Australia. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm happy to help move this towards GA status (and FA status eventually). I think there are some things that need to be dealt with first, some of these were stuff I never finished when I worked on the article a few months back....
Generally this is a pretty strong article and not too much work is needed to get it up to standard. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
PS: That is a good set of pictures, especially the Salmon-crested Cockatoo being noisy. I was hoping at some stage that a photo of cockies chewing cables or peeling off gutters or windows would turn up. I see so many around Sydney but they always seem to be behaving themselves... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
"All cockatoos have a fine powder on their feathers, which may induce dust allergies in certain people."
this is the book I have found, a big sigh of relief as we can reference a few pet sections on a few species now. You can have a look at the cocky section on pages 86 and thereabouts and see what you think too. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Casliber, these are all the changes since your last edit. As far as my meddling is concerned, feel free to revert any or all. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering what molecular or morphological evidence there was for the next closest outgroup was (or is there complete lack of consensus). This would be great to add. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: Sasata ( talk) 14:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I've signed up to review this bird article. Will do a copyedit, and add comments. Might take a couple of days. Sasata ( talk) 14:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Not finished yet, just dropping some comments. More later. Sasata ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
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There doesn't seem to be any mention of it in the article, but there's a large body of research about cockatoo diseases. Here's a sampling of papers from just the past two years:
Okay, thanks for that. I think we've covered most salient disease material now (working up a real wiki-sweat here...) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I think we're there. One small thing, I notice that the phylogram tends to squish to the left, squeezing the text, unless the browser width is relatively thin; this should be easily fixed by moving it down a paragraph. Have fun with the cockatoos in the snakepit! Sasata ( talk) 06:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
And they truly are nitpicks, because the article itself looks great! There are some measurements (mostly masses) that should also show imperial values, and some of the "full sentence" photo captions don't have ending punctuation. MeegsC | Talk 14:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay folks, I found this
Type in cntrl-F and look for Cacatua to see an animated discussion on the naming of the cockatoo genus and family..question is, how much to place in the taxonomy section of the cockatoo article and how much at Cacatua. I love this historical stuff and I think a brief potted summary is good, which I will work on - all taxonomical input welcomed. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 10:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I thought that the convert template was optional. It does not seem to have altered any of the figures that were hard written. Presumably it just slows the page load time a bit. Snowman ( talk) 00:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
It'd be nice to use an image that is not in any other taxobox of another article, surely we must have loads of nice cockie pictures! Shall we list some good ones here to choose from? I'm guessing a Sulphur- or Salmosn-crested are the best known (?) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
File:Cacatua_galerita_Tas_1.jpg - this one is nice, shows the whole bird, and is a nature shot. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I missed the cockie's tail- the galah is nice. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Is this worth including in the article, do you think? If the story is accurate, this bird would as far as I know, be the oldest living cockatoo in the world...
-- Kurt Shaped Box ( talk) 17:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm trying to ask this without sounding like someone who belongs in prison... but should there be a mention in this article of how cockatoo hens can very easily become sexually attracted to their human owners if the person strokes and cuddles them too much? If you've never heard of this, it is actually a real issue. They can start laying loads and loads of eggs, with the health problems that can bring (e.g. egg binding, calcium depletion) because their owner has been inadvertantly turning them on and getting them off by petting them in erogenous zones. -- 95.148.107.103 ( talk) 20:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
See this..... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I've been removing, WITH VALID REASONS, several opinion-based sentences from the 1st section. However, someone keeps reverting.. these are CLEARLY "OPINION" and have NO PLACE IN THIS ARTICLE.
Specifics:
I removed "Cockatiel is by far the most popular"... subsequent editor replaced text and added "Citation Needed"... Adding "Citation needed" does NOT make this any less of an OPINION. "Most popular" by what standards? More people "like" them? People "like" them more than they do cockatoos? Or maybe more people keep them as pets? Nobody will find a citation that "proves" this, as there are 100's of definition of "most popular"... if someone wants to post stats of #'s of cockatiels vs. cockatoos then that may work.. but just saying "Citation needed" to try to allow this sentence to remain SHOULD NOT work. I challenge anyone to find any other legitimate Wiki article where the statement "by far the most popular" has been allowed to remain...
I removed reference to "difficult to care for"... again.. OPINION. Subsequent editor found a pet-store marketed book (not a reference book by any means!) whose author holds this OPINION... however that doesn't change the fact that it's an OPINION. I can find you dozens of cockatoo owners that will say they AREN'T.... and this article is NO PLACE to argue the relative "difficulty" of care. There is no reason this statement should be here, whether there's a citation or not.
I removed "White cockatoos are more common in captivity than black..."... First of all, this is un-important to the article. Further there are more varieties than "white and black". If editor wants this to stay, then find some reference to #'s of each species in captivity and phrase it in a QUANTITATIVE way...
May I suggest both the "most popular" and "more common" sentences remain removed and a new section with actual stats on #'s of each species in captivity be added? 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 21:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)jeremyg
I removed it again. There is no reference nor definition to "popular". Wikipedia should not and does not attempt to quantify "popularity". Maybe you are using the wrong word? There are too many definitions of "most popular". Rephrase to "more commonly held as pets" or something similar and reference research that shows numbers. "Popularity" is too subjective and un-verifiable. Also your most recent edit is not including the citation to the book that was referenced before that stated "difficult to care for." Seriously, you've cited a "published" source, however, the book is so clearly amateur that it barely qualifies as being "published". It's a dime-store book written by an enthusiast who has no formal training nor certifications/degrees, etc. in animal care. Frankly, I could self-publish a book saying the opposite and it would hold the same weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 19:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
The picture of a galah is not a good lead picture for the intro-box. The introduction states:
It then goes on to describe the blacks and the whites, adding galahs separately.
The galah does not fit the description of a typical cockatoo.
I suggest that the picture of the galah is moved down, and a more typical cockatoo put in the intro box. Since the crest is the major identifying feature, for heavens sake give us a bird with a distinctive crest!
Amandajm ( talk) 00:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
<ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).Please note "No, none of the psittacines (including cockatoos) have gallbladders. Nor do pigeons, or ostriches.
They have two hepatic ducts (a right and a left, coming from the respective two lobes of the liver). They both empty directly into the duodenum (the first part of the small intestine).
Occasionally, the right hepatic duct is found to be slightly dilated (especially in cockatoos) and thus has the appearance of a rudimentary gallbladder, but it is not one, it is simply a dilated hepatic duct. There is a microscopic difference in the arrangement of the epithelial cells lining a hepatic duct compared to those lining a gallbladder - this is how this fact is known.
The cases of mildly dilated hepatic ducts are not pathological, but are simply considered to be an anatomic variation."
Dr. Mike http://www.mytoos.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=122598 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.144.25.235 ( talk) 20:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I speak a little Indonesian, it is derived from a Malay trading language in which word melds and dropping consonants for linguistic economy are quite common. I believe the origin of 'Kakatua' is probably from the root words 'kakak' (honorific for a senior brother or sister) and 'tua' (old). There is a nursery rhyme which pre-dates European contact, called "Burung Kakatua" about a cockatoo perching on a window sill, so old that his beak is already overgrown. Tradimus ( talk) 15:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
There should be a way to integrate recent findings on intelligence [8] into this. -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 12:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
This reflects the difficulty of describing a cladogram in accurate technical diction, while keeping the text understandable to the ordinary reader. Here's the issues:
Sbalfour ( talk) 23:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
In the Species and subspecies section under Taxonomy, we list subspecies as Genus (Subgenus) species subspecies authority. That's a lot of text that doesn't contribute any additional info beyond the traditional abbreviation of the genus and species names when listing subspecies (subgenus, if any, is omitted). e.g. C.b. banksii Latham 1790 instead of Calyptorhynchus (Calyptorhynchus) banksii banksii Latham 1790. Especially in a taxonomic listing, where we list subspecies directly under the subgenus name, we don't need the subgenus taxon in the names of the species and subspecies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbalfour ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I added a few before I realized that more are missing than enumerated. It appears that including subspecies in the Taxonomy was an afterthought. It certainly bloats the presentation, and I'm considering whether they properly out be enumerated here. Maybe we ought to deal with sub-generic taxons in the generic articles; this is a Family taxon level article - isn't three levels of taxons (subfamily/tribe/genus) enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbalfour ( talk • contribs) 18:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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Who ever wrote that cockatiels are non-destructive has never owned one. They have big beaks just like all the other 'toos and can chew through wire, wood, paper cardboard, thin plastic, cork, etc. They also have beaks that constantly grow, so they *need* to chew things.
http://www.cockatielcottage.net/basics.html "Cockatiels find toys that can be chewed on, shredded apart, moved, tossed around, pulled apart, interesting . "
"Since cockatiels are inquisitive, they enjoy exploring rooms. Exploring is done with their beaks and this also means chewing. Cockatiels will chew on paper, cloth, wood, rubber, metal and anything else that catches their attention. Chewing is instinctive behavior and has to be watched carefully."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.104.204 ( talk • contribs) 03:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Parrot taxonomy is a turnup! The Australian cockatoos are correct per the latest HANZAB list. Unfortunately, HANZAB does not cover New Guinea or the islands of South-east Asia, nor does my wonderful big Australian Parrots book, and I'm reduced to on-line sources. Doubtless there is an authoritative site out there somewhere, but the ones I've seen so far do not inspire confidence. The rule sems to be if anyone, anywhere, has ever described something as a parrot, or maybe just vaguely like a parrot, then lump it in and hope for the best - and if that leaves us with 1759 different species, all with at least three alternative names, then so much the better. Anyway, from the last-mentioned Australian species (Sulphur-crested Cockatoo) on down, my list is mostly guesswork. Improve it if you can. Tannin 13:56 27 May 2003 (UTC)
Like it or not, the correct names are hyphenated. It is not a Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoo, for example, it is a Yellow-tailed Black-Cockatoo. Personally, I dislike the hyphenated second part, but the bird's correct and official name is indeed the bird's correct and official name. I don't see how we at Wikipedia can change that. Hell, I call Magpie-larks Mudlarks. Does that mean I should change that too? Tannin 11:20, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Contribute at Talk:Parrot#What is a parrot? or, Are cockatoos parrots? Nurg 09:17, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The following annecdote should be included in the text. I came here to look for more information on the alledge intelligence of cockatoos after reading "treaded"'s comments on slashdot:
More pictures could be added and make the page more interesting. The pictures could be kept tidy in a gallery of pictures. Snowman 23:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure if a gallery will work or not. Perhaps the short-billed black cockatoo picture could me moved to its own species page. Snowman 13:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Can the phrases "white cockatoo" and "black cockatoo" be explained? Some cockaoos are grey feathers and some are have some pink feathers.
Perhaps it would be good to have a picture of the black palm cocktoo (famous symbol) on the cockatoo artical page as well a white cockatoo.
Snowman
10:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
No merge: Cockatoos can use their beak for lots of tasks and all of the tasks can not be listed. Other parrots do this as well ie black headed caiques and African Grey parrots. The article on beak handing is for AfD and sounds like original work. There are no citations on the Cockatoo beak handing page. Snowman 12:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
"The name cockatoo originated from the Malay name for these birds, kakaktua, which translates literally as older sister (from kakak, "sister," and tua, "old")." - is this 100%? "Kaka" means "parrot" at least in the Polynesian branch of the Austronesian language family. and while in Bahasa Indonesia it is indeed "kakaktua", the form "kakatua" is frequently found in Bahasa Melayu sources. Dysmorodrepanis 19:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
What I found were these links: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kakatua, http://www.asiamaya.com/dictionary/kakatua.htm, http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/pincers. It seems "kakak" means sister and "tua" means old. However, "kakatua" means pincers. Pincers would make more sence too. MichielD 10:38, 3 January 2007 (CET)
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Aviculture. The purpose of this project is to help increase the amount and quality of content related to aviculture on wikipedia, and to maintain and organise articles relating to the subject, eventually bringing as many as possible up to good- or featured-article status. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Aviculture. Snowman 16:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we talk tribe or subfamily on this page? Snowman 13:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be some original research in the Musical Ability section. I added a tag. 72.93.215.79 ( talk) 05:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I sorta had an idea the best species to have in the taxobox was the type species of Cacatua, whichever one that is...Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 10:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
The Relationship with humans section needs a subsection on pest potential/issues. (Galahs and Sulphure Cresteds are the main ones in Oz, also Corellas). Sorry, just saw the sentences. Cheers,
Casliber (
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10:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree that there is widespread support for the family being treated as separate from the other parrots. But I think the statement Placement of the cockatoos as a separate family is fairly undisputed is inaccurate. As recently as 2003 the Howard and Moore checklist had them as a subfamily, and the IUCN and Birdlife still do. Thoughts? Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Colour differences between the male and female in the Gang-gang Cockatoo and some of the black cockatoos is worth mentioning. Snowman ( talk) 00:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there is little on cockatoos as a whole in either the Lendon book I have (it just goes through all the species and is rather old now) or Forshaw. I will see what I can track down at UNSW library when there next as this would be terrific to really polish off an aviculture section well. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Some old books have the genus Cacatua written as Kakatoë - this might be good to note, must be a reference somewhere. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Christidis and Boles 2008 place Major Mitchell Cocky in Lophochroa, noting Courtney 1996 who reported it has the most atypical food-begging display of all white cockatoos. Brown and Toft noted it was an early divergent lineage like Eolophus was, and made a case for the genus then. So..do we want to roll with this? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
PS: Other major headache which is left in 'too hard' basket it looks is that Cacatua sulphurea seems to lie within C. galerita. :P
Kakatoe is evidently a synonym for Cacatua but, curiously, is an older term, the authority being Cuvier in 1800, while Cacatua comes from Vieillot in 1817. I can only speculate that Cacatua was designated the 'correct' generic name, and Kakatoe apparently suppressed and priority overturned for some technical reason, such as confusion over how Kakatoe was applied, a number of variant spellings (e.g. Kakadoe, Cacatoes) being used at various times, and the need for stabilisation. Perhaps the best place to sort this out here would be on the so-far-nonexistent page for the genus (Cacatua currently redirects to Cockatoo). There must be some decision recorded in the ICZN Bulletin at some time, if anyone has access to it. Maias ( talk) 03:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. I got a ref for his depicting cockatoos...and see the pictures. Be nice to get one in the article really. He really liked cockatoos.... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
With regard to early European records of cockatoos, it might pay to check out Antonio Pigafetta's narrative of his voyage around the world with Magellan in the early 16th century. They were about the first Europeans to visit the Philippines and Moluccas. Unfortunately I do not have a copy and have not read it, but Pigafetta is said to have written a comprehensive and accurate account of his travels, including mention of the flora and fauna. There may be even earlier depictions from China, if cockatoos ever reached there as trade items. Maias ( talk) 04:51, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I was musing on something about the longevity - when I was a kid I heard stories of "Cocky Bennett" who was a sulphur-crested who alledgeldy lived to 120 years. Googling him is interesting..finding a reliable source discussing the possiblity of his longevity may be a challenge. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Cookie, a parrot that is at least 75 years old housed in Brookfield Zoo. There is a photograph on the Major Mitchell's Cockatoo page. Is this worth a mention? Snowman ( talk) 13:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Times Online: Python eating cockatoo Green Squares ( talk) 20:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
The HBW certainly doesn't mention much about the difficulties of keeping cockatoos, although their status as pets only really merits three short paragraphs in the "relationship with humans" section. Considerably more is said about the impact of the trade on wild species, and their status as pests in Australia. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm happy to help move this towards GA status (and FA status eventually). I think there are some things that need to be dealt with first, some of these were stuff I never finished when I worked on the article a few months back....
Generally this is a pretty strong article and not too much work is needed to get it up to standard. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
PS: That is a good set of pictures, especially the Salmon-crested Cockatoo being noisy. I was hoping at some stage that a photo of cockies chewing cables or peeling off gutters or windows would turn up. I see so many around Sydney but they always seem to be behaving themselves... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
"All cockatoos have a fine powder on their feathers, which may induce dust allergies in certain people."
this is the book I have found, a big sigh of relief as we can reference a few pet sections on a few species now. You can have a look at the cocky section on pages 86 and thereabouts and see what you think too. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Casliber, these are all the changes since your last edit. As far as my meddling is concerned, feel free to revert any or all. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering what molecular or morphological evidence there was for the next closest outgroup was (or is there complete lack of consensus). This would be great to add. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: Sasata ( talk) 14:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I've signed up to review this bird article. Will do a copyedit, and add comments. Might take a couple of days. Sasata ( talk) 14:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Not finished yet, just dropping some comments. More later. Sasata ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
continued...
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There doesn't seem to be any mention of it in the article, but there's a large body of research about cockatoo diseases. Here's a sampling of papers from just the past two years:
Okay, thanks for that. I think we've covered most salient disease material now (working up a real wiki-sweat here...) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I think we're there. One small thing, I notice that the phylogram tends to squish to the left, squeezing the text, unless the browser width is relatively thin; this should be easily fixed by moving it down a paragraph. Have fun with the cockatoos in the snakepit! Sasata ( talk) 06:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
And they truly are nitpicks, because the article itself looks great! There are some measurements (mostly masses) that should also show imperial values, and some of the "full sentence" photo captions don't have ending punctuation. MeegsC | Talk 14:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay folks, I found this
Type in cntrl-F and look for Cacatua to see an animated discussion on the naming of the cockatoo genus and family..question is, how much to place in the taxonomy section of the cockatoo article and how much at Cacatua. I love this historical stuff and I think a brief potted summary is good, which I will work on - all taxonomical input welcomed. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 10:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I thought that the convert template was optional. It does not seem to have altered any of the figures that were hard written. Presumably it just slows the page load time a bit. Snowman ( talk) 00:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
It'd be nice to use an image that is not in any other taxobox of another article, surely we must have loads of nice cockie pictures! Shall we list some good ones here to choose from? I'm guessing a Sulphur- or Salmosn-crested are the best known (?) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
File:Cacatua_galerita_Tas_1.jpg - this one is nice, shows the whole bird, and is a nature shot. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I missed the cockie's tail- the galah is nice. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Is this worth including in the article, do you think? If the story is accurate, this bird would as far as I know, be the oldest living cockatoo in the world...
-- Kurt Shaped Box ( talk) 17:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm trying to ask this without sounding like someone who belongs in prison... but should there be a mention in this article of how cockatoo hens can very easily become sexually attracted to their human owners if the person strokes and cuddles them too much? If you've never heard of this, it is actually a real issue. They can start laying loads and loads of eggs, with the health problems that can bring (e.g. egg binding, calcium depletion) because their owner has been inadvertantly turning them on and getting them off by petting them in erogenous zones. -- 95.148.107.103 ( talk) 20:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
See this..... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I've been removing, WITH VALID REASONS, several opinion-based sentences from the 1st section. However, someone keeps reverting.. these are CLEARLY "OPINION" and have NO PLACE IN THIS ARTICLE.
Specifics:
I removed "Cockatiel is by far the most popular"... subsequent editor replaced text and added "Citation Needed"... Adding "Citation needed" does NOT make this any less of an OPINION. "Most popular" by what standards? More people "like" them? People "like" them more than they do cockatoos? Or maybe more people keep them as pets? Nobody will find a citation that "proves" this, as there are 100's of definition of "most popular"... if someone wants to post stats of #'s of cockatiels vs. cockatoos then that may work.. but just saying "Citation needed" to try to allow this sentence to remain SHOULD NOT work. I challenge anyone to find any other legitimate Wiki article where the statement "by far the most popular" has been allowed to remain...
I removed reference to "difficult to care for"... again.. OPINION. Subsequent editor found a pet-store marketed book (not a reference book by any means!) whose author holds this OPINION... however that doesn't change the fact that it's an OPINION. I can find you dozens of cockatoo owners that will say they AREN'T.... and this article is NO PLACE to argue the relative "difficulty" of care. There is no reason this statement should be here, whether there's a citation or not.
I removed "White cockatoos are more common in captivity than black..."... First of all, this is un-important to the article. Further there are more varieties than "white and black". If editor wants this to stay, then find some reference to #'s of each species in captivity and phrase it in a QUANTITATIVE way...
May I suggest both the "most popular" and "more common" sentences remain removed and a new section with actual stats on #'s of each species in captivity be added? 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 21:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)jeremyg
I removed it again. There is no reference nor definition to "popular". Wikipedia should not and does not attempt to quantify "popularity". Maybe you are using the wrong word? There are too many definitions of "most popular". Rephrase to "more commonly held as pets" or something similar and reference research that shows numbers. "Popularity" is too subjective and un-verifiable. Also your most recent edit is not including the citation to the book that was referenced before that stated "difficult to care for." Seriously, you've cited a "published" source, however, the book is so clearly amateur that it barely qualifies as being "published". It's a dime-store book written by an enthusiast who has no formal training nor certifications/degrees, etc. in animal care. Frankly, I could self-publish a book saying the opposite and it would hold the same weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 19:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
The picture of a galah is not a good lead picture for the intro-box. The introduction states:
It then goes on to describe the blacks and the whites, adding galahs separately.
The galah does not fit the description of a typical cockatoo.
I suggest that the picture of the galah is moved down, and a more typical cockatoo put in the intro box. Since the crest is the major identifying feature, for heavens sake give us a bird with a distinctive crest!
Amandajm ( talk) 00:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
<ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).Please note "No, none of the psittacines (including cockatoos) have gallbladders. Nor do pigeons, or ostriches.
They have two hepatic ducts (a right and a left, coming from the respective two lobes of the liver). They both empty directly into the duodenum (the first part of the small intestine).
Occasionally, the right hepatic duct is found to be slightly dilated (especially in cockatoos) and thus has the appearance of a rudimentary gallbladder, but it is not one, it is simply a dilated hepatic duct. There is a microscopic difference in the arrangement of the epithelial cells lining a hepatic duct compared to those lining a gallbladder - this is how this fact is known.
The cases of mildly dilated hepatic ducts are not pathological, but are simply considered to be an anatomic variation."
Dr. Mike http://www.mytoos.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=122598 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.144.25.235 ( talk) 20:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I speak a little Indonesian, it is derived from a Malay trading language in which word melds and dropping consonants for linguistic economy are quite common. I believe the origin of 'Kakatua' is probably from the root words 'kakak' (honorific for a senior brother or sister) and 'tua' (old). There is a nursery rhyme which pre-dates European contact, called "Burung Kakatua" about a cockatoo perching on a window sill, so old that his beak is already overgrown. Tradimus ( talk) 15:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
There should be a way to integrate recent findings on intelligence [8] into this. -- 76.65.128.222 ( talk) 12:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
This reflects the difficulty of describing a cladogram in accurate technical diction, while keeping the text understandable to the ordinary reader. Here's the issues:
Sbalfour ( talk) 23:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
In the Species and subspecies section under Taxonomy, we list subspecies as Genus (Subgenus) species subspecies authority. That's a lot of text that doesn't contribute any additional info beyond the traditional abbreviation of the genus and species names when listing subspecies (subgenus, if any, is omitted). e.g. C.b. banksii Latham 1790 instead of Calyptorhynchus (Calyptorhynchus) banksii banksii Latham 1790. Especially in a taxonomic listing, where we list subspecies directly under the subgenus name, we don't need the subgenus taxon in the names of the species and subspecies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbalfour ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I added a few before I realized that more are missing than enumerated. It appears that including subspecies in the Taxonomy was an afterthought. It certainly bloats the presentation, and I'm considering whether they properly out be enumerated here. Maybe we ought to deal with sub-generic taxons in the generic articles; this is a Family taxon level article - isn't three levels of taxons (subfamily/tribe/genus) enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbalfour ( talk • contribs) 18:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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