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If you are going to create a separate article for information on a particular aspect of a city, you ought to have more information in the sub-article than in the corresponding section of the main article. Mathpianist93 ( talk) 22:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
While the page says that the lowest temperature ever recorded in Miami is 30°, the referenced page no longer exists and this page says that the record low (for January) is 28°. Thicks001 ( talk) 00:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
http://www.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=mfl
This shows the record highs and lows for each month. One can see that the record low for February was 27F on February 3, 1917.
There was also a 28F on Jan 27 and 28, 1940.
The record high was 100F (one can check all the months and see that). Ryoung122 17:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Here is a good source for the snow in Miami as well as the rest of florida in 1977. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 04:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Well I believed it to be a good source until it said the snow continued out to the city of Freeport in the Bahamas, over 50 miles over the ocean. No way. The couple miles of biscayne bay makes miami beach warmer than Miami sometimes by several degrees on cold nights. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 04:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/wtg12.html
January | February | March | April 1-15 | April 16-30 | May 1-15 | May 16-31 | June 1-15 | June 16-30 | July 1-15 | July 16-31 | August 1-15 | August 16-31 | September 1-15 | September 16-30 | October 1-15 | October 16-31 | November | December |
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71 | 73 | 75 | 78 | 78 | 80 | 81 | 84 | 85 | 86 | 86 | 86 | 84 | 84 | 83 | 83 | 79 | 76 | 73 |
Miami does not have a "truly tropical climate" because it has rained less times than I could could count on my hands in the last six months. Bananas cannot grow here, cocnuts barely can, and it's just plain too cold at times. Only one source says it's tropical monsson, it's really humid subtropical. Saying it's tropical is just a sign that it's a full of shit resort city. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 21:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
WOW, look. Even the Four Seasons promotional site says Miami has a subtropical climate. http://www.fourseasons.com/miami/weather/
Miami is blessed with a sunny, sub-tropical climate and miles of inviting seashore caressed by gentle surf and warm Gulf Stream waters. Winter offers dry, clear blue skies, temperatures of 60-70°F (16-21°C), cotton-puff clouds and humidity-free days. Even better, there is very little difference between late fall, winter and early spring. In the summer, ocean breezes along the coast add comfort to the relatively hot and humid weather, and afternoon thunderstorms disappear as quickly as they come. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.254.97.60 ( talk) 16:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
There is no single definition of a "tropical" climate, but the most commonly used one, the Köppen climate classification, classifies as "tropical" climates in which all months have average daily temperatures of 18C or more. By that definition Miami does have a tropical climate. — Preceding
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For the record, January 2012 had consistantly way above average temperatures, close to an 80 high and 65-70 low, while the rest of the country sees a mild winter. Do I just trade the car in for a jet ski or gondola now or...? Daniel Christensen ( talk) 02:45, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I have lived in Miami all my life, and this does not look "typical" this is a "world is ending" storm. Who decided this was typical must stand under that storm and prove me wrong. 2607:FB90:1B02:7E41:BF7F:5159:3A5A:B44E ( talk) 04:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
I have been using the 90s style interactive NOAA reference site to try to confirm some records, such as Miami Beach's all time low of 32 from the chart on the Miami Beach#Climate page, as well as the notorious and bone chilling figure of 27* F for Miami on February 3, 1917. Turns out the only way I could find that record was going by "Miami area," as record for MIAirport and Miami Beach is unavailable for 1917. This makes the record dubious, especially considering that Miami Beach was incorporated in 1915 and by that point weather records were not all that uncommon. I've added quite a bit to Climate of Miami to make it a little more candid and informative. With several category changes (a recent half step up in USDA plant hardiness zone, and probably a whole step if pre-mid-century could be considered, changes in Koppen, and dubious and varying reporting sites pre-MIA time, it's a wonder if the older data should be discarded. At the very least, referencing is easier to more recent history (though some hard copy of a book of older more lauded history could perhaps be found). A bragging right is Key West's status as the "only city to not have a frost" in the continental US, but Miami Beach's apparent all time record low of 32 is pretty dubious in that regard, either way it is significant. If it was a frost, it should be mentioned to clarify that Miami Beach was considered in this bragging right. If it wasn't, then the bragging right is a lie. B137 ( talk) 10:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Miami, FL (City of Miami) was incorporated in 1896 is not Miami Beach, FL. The 1917 data comes from the US National Weather Service. Ryoung122 22:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Miami is 5 degrees F above the threshold set for tropical climates. In climatic terms this is a huge difference. It is equivalent to the difference in January means between Los Angeles and San Francisco. If Miami was only 0.5 degrees F above the threshold, then I would understand the purpose of a debate, which is plausible for Southern Okeechobee for instance. You can only debate the northern end of the tropical zone, otherwise it is like suggesting Boston has a subtropical climate, but New York is another story. I hope my point is clear. I am removing that section, which is misleading and further away from the truth. Berkserker ( talk) 02:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
@ B137: As for your statement: Where are your and your scholars' sources? And how about an explanation for Koppen's single metric to determine the world's climate? - This isn't a single metric or a single classification scheme. All known classification methods use the same criteria, and those criteria are plural, not a single metric as you suggest. Both precipitation and temperature is taken into consideration. For instance if only one criterion was used then likes of Tampa and Orlando would be tropical due to their tropical precipitation regimes. As for the temperature criteria, again it is not a single metric, but a combination of two metrics that double check one another, like I said in one of my previous posts. The two temperature criteria are 1) Mean of the coldest month 2) Average annual minimum temperatures. However you seem to read only what you want to see. This is not the first time I have to repeat what I had to explain before. Berkserker ( talk) 04:57, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Like I told you before, I gave the above explanation only to satisfy your curiosity. Extremes do not determine the categorisation of any climate. Then all climate types would have the same problems. You would have to change the entire world map.. As for your dew point suggestion, it is just an example for the humid "tropical feel" (mostly referring to rainforests) and is not a limit or criterion. Tropical dew points vary all across the world, and subtypes of the tropical climate. Tropical Savanna and Monsoonal climates have more variation within the year, while Rainforest climates have less. Take tropical Australia (for instance Darwin), tropical India, tropical Southeast Asia (excluding Indonesia), majority of tropical Africa and Central & South America as an example. As you can see, the regions I listed cover the majority of the tropical climate zones. They all have a huge difference in dew points and the humidity index throughout the year. The rainforest climate is a minority within tropical climates in terms of area covered globally. The same goes for the extremes, it is not a phenomena specific to continental USA like you suggest, all non-equatorial tropical climates experience extremes and cold fronts. Therefore a separate title for cold fronts is redundant, it can be mentioned in the text but a title is misleading the reader to believe they happen only in South Florida. Berkserker ( talk) 07:30, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Look at the climate chart. I just did the math and I am mortified. Am climate requires the driest month to have no less than 1/25 of the total annual rainfall. If the driest month has less than 1/25 of the annual total, it's an Aw climate instead (like Cuba's). The chart featured in the article, the one with the 1981-2010 data said we have an average of 1314.1 mm (51.73 in) of rainfall per year in Miami. So 1/25 of that is 52.564 mm (2.07 in). So the driest month would have to have more than 2.07 inches of rainfall to be an Am instead of Aw climate. But... the chart says that our driest month, December, gets... 2.05 inches (52.1 mm).
So unless there's a newer chart, one showing that December and January are getting more rain in recent years than they did before - which is unlikely since this last December only saw an infinitesimal 0.66 inches of rain, which is about one quarter of the lower cutoff for Am climate - we're gonna have to amend this article significantly... plus all the other articles that reference Miami's Koppen status.
I'm sorry about this, I'm sorry, for the biggest darkest reason you guys could imagine, which I will now never admit to anyone. Succubus MacAstaroth ( talk) 23:05, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Greetings, Record lows and highs for Miami FL can be located directly from the local Miami National Weather Service page:
https://www.weather.gov/media/mfl/climate/Daily_Records_Miami.pdf
Ryoung122 22:11, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Just because Miami gets the occasional frost and freeze, and is located above the Tropic of Cancer, does not mean it doesn't have a tropical climate. The Koppen system does not care about geographic positioning or frosts. The Koppen system cares about averages. In its coldest month, Miami is above 64.4 F. It also meets the rainfall threshold for tropical monsoon, but falls short of tropical rainforest. This means that Miami has a tropical monsoon climate. Period. Climate maps may dispute about the interior of southern Florida, but it is abundantly clear that the southeast coast of the state, the keys, and the extreme southwest portion of the state have a tropical climate. You can look at the Koppen article for more information about this.
68 F, even though both coasts have had colder temps and upwelling, such as the frigid 50 F water off North Carolina this Dec/Jan. B137 ( talk) 01:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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If you are going to create a separate article for information on a particular aspect of a city, you ought to have more information in the sub-article than in the corresponding section of the main article. Mathpianist93 ( talk) 22:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
While the page says that the lowest temperature ever recorded in Miami is 30°, the referenced page no longer exists and this page says that the record low (for January) is 28°. Thicks001 ( talk) 00:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
http://www.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=mfl
This shows the record highs and lows for each month. One can see that the record low for February was 27F on February 3, 1917.
There was also a 28F on Jan 27 and 28, 1940.
The record high was 100F (one can check all the months and see that). Ryoung122 17:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Here is a good source for the snow in Miami as well as the rest of florida in 1977. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 04:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Well I believed it to be a good source until it said the snow continued out to the city of Freeport in the Bahamas, over 50 miles over the ocean. No way. The couple miles of biscayne bay makes miami beach warmer than Miami sometimes by several degrees on cold nights. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 04:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/wtg12.html
January | February | March | April 1-15 | April 16-30 | May 1-15 | May 16-31 | June 1-15 | June 16-30 | July 1-15 | July 16-31 | August 1-15 | August 16-31 | September 1-15 | September 16-30 | October 1-15 | October 16-31 | November | December |
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71 | 73 | 75 | 78 | 78 | 80 | 81 | 84 | 85 | 86 | 86 | 86 | 84 | 84 | 83 | 83 | 79 | 76 | 73 |
Miami does not have a "truly tropical climate" because it has rained less times than I could could count on my hands in the last six months. Bananas cannot grow here, cocnuts barely can, and it's just plain too cold at times. Only one source says it's tropical monsson, it's really humid subtropical. Saying it's tropical is just a sign that it's a full of shit resort city. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 21:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
WOW, look. Even the Four Seasons promotional site says Miami has a subtropical climate. http://www.fourseasons.com/miami/weather/
Miami is blessed with a sunny, sub-tropical climate and miles of inviting seashore caressed by gentle surf and warm Gulf Stream waters. Winter offers dry, clear blue skies, temperatures of 60-70°F (16-21°C), cotton-puff clouds and humidity-free days. Even better, there is very little difference between late fall, winter and early spring. In the summer, ocean breezes along the coast add comfort to the relatively hot and humid weather, and afternoon thunderstorms disappear as quickly as they come. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.254.97.60 ( talk) 16:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
There is no single definition of a "tropical" climate, but the most commonly used one, the Köppen climate classification, classifies as "tropical" climates in which all months have average daily temperatures of 18C or more. By that definition Miami does have a tropical climate. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.32.72.129 (
talk) 16:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
For the record, January 2012 had consistantly way above average temperatures, close to an 80 high and 65-70 low, while the rest of the country sees a mild winter. Do I just trade the car in for a jet ski or gondola now or...? Daniel Christensen ( talk) 02:45, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I have lived in Miami all my life, and this does not look "typical" this is a "world is ending" storm. Who decided this was typical must stand under that storm and prove me wrong. 2607:FB90:1B02:7E41:BF7F:5159:3A5A:B44E ( talk) 04:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
I have been using the 90s style interactive NOAA reference site to try to confirm some records, such as Miami Beach's all time low of 32 from the chart on the Miami Beach#Climate page, as well as the notorious and bone chilling figure of 27* F for Miami on February 3, 1917. Turns out the only way I could find that record was going by "Miami area," as record for MIAirport and Miami Beach is unavailable for 1917. This makes the record dubious, especially considering that Miami Beach was incorporated in 1915 and by that point weather records were not all that uncommon. I've added quite a bit to Climate of Miami to make it a little more candid and informative. With several category changes (a recent half step up in USDA plant hardiness zone, and probably a whole step if pre-mid-century could be considered, changes in Koppen, and dubious and varying reporting sites pre-MIA time, it's a wonder if the older data should be discarded. At the very least, referencing is easier to more recent history (though some hard copy of a book of older more lauded history could perhaps be found). A bragging right is Key West's status as the "only city to not have a frost" in the continental US, but Miami Beach's apparent all time record low of 32 is pretty dubious in that regard, either way it is significant. If it was a frost, it should be mentioned to clarify that Miami Beach was considered in this bragging right. If it wasn't, then the bragging right is a lie. B137 ( talk) 10:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Miami, FL (City of Miami) was incorporated in 1896 is not Miami Beach, FL. The 1917 data comes from the US National Weather Service. Ryoung122 22:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Miami is 5 degrees F above the threshold set for tropical climates. In climatic terms this is a huge difference. It is equivalent to the difference in January means between Los Angeles and San Francisco. If Miami was only 0.5 degrees F above the threshold, then I would understand the purpose of a debate, which is plausible for Southern Okeechobee for instance. You can only debate the northern end of the tropical zone, otherwise it is like suggesting Boston has a subtropical climate, but New York is another story. I hope my point is clear. I am removing that section, which is misleading and further away from the truth. Berkserker ( talk) 02:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
@ B137: As for your statement: Where are your and your scholars' sources? And how about an explanation for Koppen's single metric to determine the world's climate? - This isn't a single metric or a single classification scheme. All known classification methods use the same criteria, and those criteria are plural, not a single metric as you suggest. Both precipitation and temperature is taken into consideration. For instance if only one criterion was used then likes of Tampa and Orlando would be tropical due to their tropical precipitation regimes. As for the temperature criteria, again it is not a single metric, but a combination of two metrics that double check one another, like I said in one of my previous posts. The two temperature criteria are 1) Mean of the coldest month 2) Average annual minimum temperatures. However you seem to read only what you want to see. This is not the first time I have to repeat what I had to explain before. Berkserker ( talk) 04:57, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Like I told you before, I gave the above explanation only to satisfy your curiosity. Extremes do not determine the categorisation of any climate. Then all climate types would have the same problems. You would have to change the entire world map.. As for your dew point suggestion, it is just an example for the humid "tropical feel" (mostly referring to rainforests) and is not a limit or criterion. Tropical dew points vary all across the world, and subtypes of the tropical climate. Tropical Savanna and Monsoonal climates have more variation within the year, while Rainforest climates have less. Take tropical Australia (for instance Darwin), tropical India, tropical Southeast Asia (excluding Indonesia), majority of tropical Africa and Central & South America as an example. As you can see, the regions I listed cover the majority of the tropical climate zones. They all have a huge difference in dew points and the humidity index throughout the year. The rainforest climate is a minority within tropical climates in terms of area covered globally. The same goes for the extremes, it is not a phenomena specific to continental USA like you suggest, all non-equatorial tropical climates experience extremes and cold fronts. Therefore a separate title for cold fronts is redundant, it can be mentioned in the text but a title is misleading the reader to believe they happen only in South Florida. Berkserker ( talk) 07:30, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Look at the climate chart. I just did the math and I am mortified. Am climate requires the driest month to have no less than 1/25 of the total annual rainfall. If the driest month has less than 1/25 of the annual total, it's an Aw climate instead (like Cuba's). The chart featured in the article, the one with the 1981-2010 data said we have an average of 1314.1 mm (51.73 in) of rainfall per year in Miami. So 1/25 of that is 52.564 mm (2.07 in). So the driest month would have to have more than 2.07 inches of rainfall to be an Am instead of Aw climate. But... the chart says that our driest month, December, gets... 2.05 inches (52.1 mm).
So unless there's a newer chart, one showing that December and January are getting more rain in recent years than they did before - which is unlikely since this last December only saw an infinitesimal 0.66 inches of rain, which is about one quarter of the lower cutoff for Am climate - we're gonna have to amend this article significantly... plus all the other articles that reference Miami's Koppen status.
I'm sorry about this, I'm sorry, for the biggest darkest reason you guys could imagine, which I will now never admit to anyone. Succubus MacAstaroth ( talk) 23:05, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Greetings, Record lows and highs for Miami FL can be located directly from the local Miami National Weather Service page:
https://www.weather.gov/media/mfl/climate/Daily_Records_Miami.pdf
Ryoung122 22:11, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Just because Miami gets the occasional frost and freeze, and is located above the Tropic of Cancer, does not mean it doesn't have a tropical climate. The Koppen system does not care about geographic positioning or frosts. The Koppen system cares about averages. In its coldest month, Miami is above 64.4 F. It also meets the rainfall threshold for tropical monsoon, but falls short of tropical rainforest. This means that Miami has a tropical monsoon climate. Period. Climate maps may dispute about the interior of southern Florida, but it is abundantly clear that the southeast coast of the state, the keys, and the extreme southwest portion of the state have a tropical climate. You can look at the Koppen article for more information about this.
68 F, even though both coasts have had colder temps and upwelling, such as the frigid 50 F water off North Carolina this Dec/Jan. B137 ( talk) 01:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)