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Ufwuct 11:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC) ok first this is not thr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.248.73 ( talk) 20:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
In this article, the record high temperature in Greece was 48.7°C before I corrected it to the documented figure of 48,0°C approved by HNMS and WMO. This false figure appears also in other languages: I found in Українська 48,7°C, in the Greek article for Attica (climate) 48,7°C.
I have checked the article history backwards. The 48.7°C figure appears for the first time on 14 August 2007 in this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Climate_of_Greece&diff=prev&oldid=151146660 by the hands of the IP user 87.203.110.94.
I am also checking all the Athens-related and Greece-related articles for what they say about climate. It seems that much material without reference (and, worse, false material) has been distributed among these articles.
-- Amending ( talk) 16:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
The Peel 2007 map is much better and accurate source.The other map is based on limited station data for Greece.Please do not revert again Weatherextremes ( talk) 20:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I edited the map in fact,rectified the Anafi and Santorini colouring (which is wrong in the Peel version and he has put a special note acknowledging this on the site) and added the link bit at the bottom so its my work.The previous SVG version also fails to take into account the BSh climates of Greece.They claim to have used the Peel data but all of South Attica and the Cyclades are under CSa climate when they should be under BSh according to Peel. Weatherextremes ( talk) 11:48, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Also check out from Peel the Known Errors section [1] for Greece which I rectified on my map version Weatherextremes ( talk) 11:55, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Come to think about it since I am not that good on doing maps could you integrate on your map version the corrections I am suggesting for the BSh climates and cite Peel as well?I mean your version on Greece is not blurry so if you could integrate the changes I reckon it would be a better and more accurate result Weatherextremes ( talk) 12:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Also you can back up the BSh climates from either Koutsogiannis et al 2008 (mentioned by Peel on link 1) or directly from HNMS (Greece's met office) for South Attica specifically [2].So if its not much of a hassle for you we could do it like that adopting your map version with the inclusion of the BSh climates Weatherextremes ( talk) 12:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I just produced the map below which is not blurry in case you dont want to change your version to show the BSh climates
Weatherextremes ( talk) 15:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Can you help me out a bit on this one?Where exactly am I supposed to credit Ali Zifan and Peel? Weatherextremes ( talk) 22:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I have credit them under Licensing. Is that ok? Weatherextremes ( talk) 22:06, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
It looks fine.I dont want to be pedantic but since your map actually shows all of Greece's islands could you add the BSh climates to the rest of the islands according to Peel?If you are unsure which islands are these you could check here [3] go to the first section Where can I get a copy of the map? and check the link named detailed info version. This will take you on a Koppen Google Earth version where you can see with every detail the islands and the remaining areas with a BSh climate.Just ignore the BWh climate of Santorini and Anafi since Peel mentions that both these islands should be BSh in the Known Errors section.If that's not much of a hassle for you I would prefer your detailed version with the correction for the areas with a BSh climate Weatherextremes ( talk) 05:16, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Also there is a very small area in North East Crete with a BSh climate according to Peel.It shouldn't be much more than a small dot on your map Weatherextremes ( talk) 05:47, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
In the meantime I uploaded an updated version with some corrections according to Peel.Thasos island was corrected to Csb from Csa, the Xanthi-Komotini area was corrected from Dsa to Dsb, the east Evros area bordering Turkey was changed from Dsa to Csa , a really tiny area in the Greek-Bulgarian borders just immediately north of Drama was changed to ET as shown in Peel, a very small area just south of Kilkis and north of Thessaloniki was changed from Cfa to Cfb and finally a tiny area of the Elounta area in NE Crete was changed from Csa to BSh again according to Peel.I think I did the best I could since Ali Zifan's map doesnt show all of Greece's islands but still it should be the closest to Peel Weatherextremes ( talk) 16:45, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Also had to change a small area of the NW Evros tip (which I forgot earlier) from Dsb to Csb. ( talk) 17:26, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
So I had to do further corrections in my map (which I hope will be the last version this time).It seems I missed a fairly widespread area of Csb climate along the Macedonian coast and also corrected the NW Evros tip where in a very small area within Greece 4 climates converge.Below is the map.
Weatherextremes ( talk) 12:39, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Ok someone changed the map to Redtitan's version.Given that the data source is debatable since it is also in contradiction to Greece's HNMS and Redtitan has not responded here about the modifications I proposed on his version I believe my version is more accurate in terms of data Weatherextremes ( talk) 09:17, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for that!Since you seem an expert on maps would it be a problem after you finish with the map to do it also in Greek?I can help with the translation and the text if you want Weatherextremes ( talk) 00:10, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you I will post the translations once you finish with the English edition.Can you do the map of Greece entirely based on Peel?Would that be a problem?I am saying this because I notice from wordclim.org that there are less data on Greece compared to the data from Peel.Also at least in Greece Peel's classification is considered the best and widely used so your map could be used for various educational purposes Weatherextremes ( talk) 05:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
What about the ECAD database?I think its the same data Peel uses and I reckon the data is properly formatted with a lot of Greek stations.Check it out here [4] Weatherextremes ( talk) 19:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hello @ Weatherextremes: I have seen that you recently changed what was in this article for years to put 21ºC in Lindos, but that's not appropiate. Look, the source you have posted is entirely in Greek and people literally have to search year by year to see that, nevertheless it's just 6 years of data and that's not an official HNMS station, so that's why are using the data of the warmest Greek climate which is Rhodes with a real HNMS long term data. Take account that Wikipedia as per WP:GUIDELINES should be as encyclopedical as possible, and climate normals should be followed when they're available, such as it happens in the case of Rhodes. That's why I'm deleting the 2014-2021 Lindos claim which is not based on an official station and nevertheless it's just 6 years of data, I could also put the Davis aspirated fan station for example in the center of Seville or the Meteo Calabria Davis station in Messina (just to put 2 examples) that would put both cities much warmer than they're in their official 1981-2010 data.
Also, the official HNMS map (this is the most reliable data) shows Lindos and the surrounding areas between 18-19ºC as you can see all of coastal Rhodes is between 18-19ºC and this is the official HNMS map, 2014-2021 data is not acceptable in any kind of Wikipedia article, Rhodes has 1955-2010 data, now that's acceptable. You knew this happened in the past in the Lindos article and the data you've posted got deleted, I don't want to involve Wikipedia Administrators. Let's leave the warmest official station with enough years of data, not just 6 years. If you still want to keep your changes, discuss it here on the talk page as per WP:CYCLE because you changed a previous stable version of the page. Thank you. -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 11:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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Ufwuct 11:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC) ok first this is not thr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.248.73 ( talk) 20:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
In this article, the record high temperature in Greece was 48.7°C before I corrected it to the documented figure of 48,0°C approved by HNMS and WMO. This false figure appears also in other languages: I found in Українська 48,7°C, in the Greek article for Attica (climate) 48,7°C.
I have checked the article history backwards. The 48.7°C figure appears for the first time on 14 August 2007 in this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Climate_of_Greece&diff=prev&oldid=151146660 by the hands of the IP user 87.203.110.94.
I am also checking all the Athens-related and Greece-related articles for what they say about climate. It seems that much material without reference (and, worse, false material) has been distributed among these articles.
-- Amending ( talk) 16:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
The Peel 2007 map is much better and accurate source.The other map is based on limited station data for Greece.Please do not revert again Weatherextremes ( talk) 20:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I edited the map in fact,rectified the Anafi and Santorini colouring (which is wrong in the Peel version and he has put a special note acknowledging this on the site) and added the link bit at the bottom so its my work.The previous SVG version also fails to take into account the BSh climates of Greece.They claim to have used the Peel data but all of South Attica and the Cyclades are under CSa climate when they should be under BSh according to Peel. Weatherextremes ( talk) 11:48, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Also check out from Peel the Known Errors section [1] for Greece which I rectified on my map version Weatherextremes ( talk) 11:55, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Come to think about it since I am not that good on doing maps could you integrate on your map version the corrections I am suggesting for the BSh climates and cite Peel as well?I mean your version on Greece is not blurry so if you could integrate the changes I reckon it would be a better and more accurate result Weatherextremes ( talk) 12:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Also you can back up the BSh climates from either Koutsogiannis et al 2008 (mentioned by Peel on link 1) or directly from HNMS (Greece's met office) for South Attica specifically [2].So if its not much of a hassle for you we could do it like that adopting your map version with the inclusion of the BSh climates Weatherextremes ( talk) 12:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I just produced the map below which is not blurry in case you dont want to change your version to show the BSh climates
Weatherextremes ( talk) 15:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Can you help me out a bit on this one?Where exactly am I supposed to credit Ali Zifan and Peel? Weatherextremes ( talk) 22:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I have credit them under Licensing. Is that ok? Weatherextremes ( talk) 22:06, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
It looks fine.I dont want to be pedantic but since your map actually shows all of Greece's islands could you add the BSh climates to the rest of the islands according to Peel?If you are unsure which islands are these you could check here [3] go to the first section Where can I get a copy of the map? and check the link named detailed info version. This will take you on a Koppen Google Earth version where you can see with every detail the islands and the remaining areas with a BSh climate.Just ignore the BWh climate of Santorini and Anafi since Peel mentions that both these islands should be BSh in the Known Errors section.If that's not much of a hassle for you I would prefer your detailed version with the correction for the areas with a BSh climate Weatherextremes ( talk) 05:16, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Also there is a very small area in North East Crete with a BSh climate according to Peel.It shouldn't be much more than a small dot on your map Weatherextremes ( talk) 05:47, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
In the meantime I uploaded an updated version with some corrections according to Peel.Thasos island was corrected to Csb from Csa, the Xanthi-Komotini area was corrected from Dsa to Dsb, the east Evros area bordering Turkey was changed from Dsa to Csa , a really tiny area in the Greek-Bulgarian borders just immediately north of Drama was changed to ET as shown in Peel, a very small area just south of Kilkis and north of Thessaloniki was changed from Cfa to Cfb and finally a tiny area of the Elounta area in NE Crete was changed from Csa to BSh again according to Peel.I think I did the best I could since Ali Zifan's map doesnt show all of Greece's islands but still it should be the closest to Peel Weatherextremes ( talk) 16:45, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Also had to change a small area of the NW Evros tip (which I forgot earlier) from Dsb to Csb. ( talk) 17:26, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
So I had to do further corrections in my map (which I hope will be the last version this time).It seems I missed a fairly widespread area of Csb climate along the Macedonian coast and also corrected the NW Evros tip where in a very small area within Greece 4 climates converge.Below is the map.
Weatherextremes ( talk) 12:39, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Ok someone changed the map to Redtitan's version.Given that the data source is debatable since it is also in contradiction to Greece's HNMS and Redtitan has not responded here about the modifications I proposed on his version I believe my version is more accurate in terms of data Weatherextremes ( talk) 09:17, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for that!Since you seem an expert on maps would it be a problem after you finish with the map to do it also in Greek?I can help with the translation and the text if you want Weatherextremes ( talk) 00:10, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you I will post the translations once you finish with the English edition.Can you do the map of Greece entirely based on Peel?Would that be a problem?I am saying this because I notice from wordclim.org that there are less data on Greece compared to the data from Peel.Also at least in Greece Peel's classification is considered the best and widely used so your map could be used for various educational purposes Weatherextremes ( talk) 05:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
What about the ECAD database?I think its the same data Peel uses and I reckon the data is properly formatted with a lot of Greek stations.Check it out here [4] Weatherextremes ( talk) 19:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hello @ Weatherextremes: I have seen that you recently changed what was in this article for years to put 21ºC in Lindos, but that's not appropiate. Look, the source you have posted is entirely in Greek and people literally have to search year by year to see that, nevertheless it's just 6 years of data and that's not an official HNMS station, so that's why are using the data of the warmest Greek climate which is Rhodes with a real HNMS long term data. Take account that Wikipedia as per WP:GUIDELINES should be as encyclopedical as possible, and climate normals should be followed when they're available, such as it happens in the case of Rhodes. That's why I'm deleting the 2014-2021 Lindos claim which is not based on an official station and nevertheless it's just 6 years of data, I could also put the Davis aspirated fan station for example in the center of Seville or the Meteo Calabria Davis station in Messina (just to put 2 examples) that would put both cities much warmer than they're in their official 1981-2010 data.
Also, the official HNMS map (this is the most reliable data) shows Lindos and the surrounding areas between 18-19ºC as you can see all of coastal Rhodes is between 18-19ºC and this is the official HNMS map, 2014-2021 data is not acceptable in any kind of Wikipedia article, Rhodes has 1955-2010 data, now that's acceptable. You knew this happened in the past in the Lindos article and the data you've posted got deleted, I don't want to involve Wikipedia Administrators. Let's leave the warmest official station with enough years of data, not just 6 years. If you still want to keep your changes, discuss it here on the talk page as per WP:CYCLE because you changed a previous stable version of the page. Thank you. -- TechnicianGB ( talk) 11:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
As a part of a course, my partner and I created a new wiki page on Climate Change in Greece (see page by clicking link). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paburnss ( talk • contribs) 15:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)