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I believe that the source(s) claiming that Cleo married "first husband" Richard Oliver in 1924 is wrong. This is cited on many web sites, including here.
This wedding announcement from 1924 suggests that Oliver married her sister Stephanie Damianakes instead.
In other words... She probably only married once.
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@ Edwardx I know it is rather late to be bringing this up, but having now read everything I could find about Cleo Damianakes, I am firmly of the opinion that this article needs to be moved to Cleo Damianakes as the main pagename and that "Cleonike Damianakes" should be a redirect. The vast majority of sources refer to her as "Cleo Damianakes", including most major art galleries (historic and present); all newspaper articles (except for 1, explanation to follow); art magazines; her school records and publications; and even all her legal documents (marriage certificate calls her "Cleo Theodora Damianakes", while death records call her "Cleo Wilkins"). Sources using both names typically say "Cleo Damianakes Wilkins", but most often as far as her identity as an artist goes, she is "Cleo Damianakes".
So where did "Cleonike" come from? It is possible her parents intended "Cleo" to be short for "Cleonike" (usually a male name in Greek) from the start, but the fact is, the names "Cleon" and "Cleonike" don't appear anywhere until she started her career as a *commercial* artist. It started with her signing a couple of the book dust jackets as "CLEON" (in ALLCAPS), which she later extended to "CLEONIKE" and even "CLEONIKES" (having a bit of fun there with the Greek declensions, possibly even a nod to her original surname). Plus of course Maxwell Perkins himself wrote about "Cleon's respectably sexy design". This is why the book dust jacket collectors and resellers have really latched on to the names "CLEON" and "CLEONIKE", and why the book authors discussing Hemingway, Scribners, and/or book dust jackets have used "Cleon" or "Cleonike" as well. The single instance of "Cleonike Wilkins" that I found was in the New York Times listing of what may have been her final show in 1975. (Makes sense that she would use "Cleonike" if she wasn't using "Damianakes" in her name.)
So anyway... If it's ok with you I think we should sort this out ASAP before the DYK goes out... I could go either way on whether the DYK hook needs to change since it discusses her identity as a commercial artist (although even Scribner's Magazine referred to her as "Cleo Damianakes" in 1925, while explicitly acknowledging that she was married to "R. B. Wilkins"). I just want to avoid Wikipedia being the source of yet another slightly misnamed biography that causes more confusion and has the unintended consequence of making information about certain people harder to find (i.e., in this case, Cleo Damianakes / "Cleo Damianakes Wilkins" which could also be a redirect, along with "Cleo Wilkins"). Cielquiparle ( talk) 14:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Here are some details we left out. Do they belong in the article, or is it TMI?
@ Edwardx What do you think? Cielquiparle ( talk) 14:21, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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It complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sectionsMOS:LEAD. Bruxton ( talk) 13:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Although the presence of citations in the lead is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article, there is no exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none.. But if you really dislike it I can look at reworking the article. Just probably can't get to it until the morning, Could we have an extension until March 18 when you are back? Cielquiparle ( talk) 21:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
"permanent collections of National Gallery of Art" consider adding a determiner like "the" before National
"Damianakes,[9][10] was founder" again consider a determiner before founder
"panels in lieu of writing a thesis" consider using "instead" in place of in lieu
"Frank G. Logan prize" should Prize" be capitalied?
"A Farewell to Arms earned her the reputation as creator of" consider "as a creator"
"Other first edition dust jackets" in this use I think first-edition is hyphenated
"Cleo had four sisters, Alexandra, Marie, Stephanie, and Dorothy,[9] with whom she performed Greek dance,[12] and a brother named Solon."[11] consider a minor rewrite to "Cleo had four sisters, Alexandra, Marie, Stephanie, and Dorothy,[9] with whom she performed Greek dance.[12] She also had a brother named Solon."[11]
Covers for Hemingway Good use of notes, and the inflation template
Covers for Hemingway Good understanding of WP:LQ in the section
Covers for Hemingway I cannot access the source but did the source say "I never like the jacket" or was it "liked"?
The article has quality sources and Earwig (24.2%) only alerts to quotes, titles and names
"Early life and education" Citation 8 and 9 support the text
"Early life and education" checked 10 and 19 and both support the text
Etching exhibitions - citation 23 says Among the prints singled out as of extraordinary merit is "The Oak Tree" and our article says "Damianakes's The Oak Tree, was singled out as "extraordinary" in an exhibit in Boston" a reasonable interpretation. I have checked the other citations in this section and they support the text
Covers for Hemingway "In 1925, "Cleon", the name she used to sign her commercial art during this period" in the given source citation 25 I do not see the "Cleon" name used in citation 25, but I see it in ciation 18. Both sources are used for the sentence so it works
Citation 27 supports the quote.
Covers for Hemingway - some citations are offline so I can AGF. All other accessible citations in this section are correctly supporting the text.
Covers for the Fitzgeralds - 7 of the 8 citaitons were offline sources, but citation 36 was checked and it supports the text
Art for other books - The accessible sources were checked for this section and they support the text
Personal life - The citations support the text
Legacy - is it possible to expand this section? If not I understand
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I believe that the source(s) claiming that Cleo married "first husband" Richard Oliver in 1924 is wrong. This is cited on many web sites, including here.
This wedding announcement from 1924 suggests that Oliver married her sister Stephanie Damianakes instead.
In other words... She probably only married once.
The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron (
talk) 22:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Created by Edwardx ( talk) and Cielquiparle ( talk). Nominated by Edwardx ( talk) at 21:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC).
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@ Edwardx I know it is rather late to be bringing this up, but having now read everything I could find about Cleo Damianakes, I am firmly of the opinion that this article needs to be moved to Cleo Damianakes as the main pagename and that "Cleonike Damianakes" should be a redirect. The vast majority of sources refer to her as "Cleo Damianakes", including most major art galleries (historic and present); all newspaper articles (except for 1, explanation to follow); art magazines; her school records and publications; and even all her legal documents (marriage certificate calls her "Cleo Theodora Damianakes", while death records call her "Cleo Wilkins"). Sources using both names typically say "Cleo Damianakes Wilkins", but most often as far as her identity as an artist goes, she is "Cleo Damianakes".
So where did "Cleonike" come from? It is possible her parents intended "Cleo" to be short for "Cleonike" (usually a male name in Greek) from the start, but the fact is, the names "Cleon" and "Cleonike" don't appear anywhere until she started her career as a *commercial* artist. It started with her signing a couple of the book dust jackets as "CLEON" (in ALLCAPS), which she later extended to "CLEONIKE" and even "CLEONIKES" (having a bit of fun there with the Greek declensions, possibly even a nod to her original surname). Plus of course Maxwell Perkins himself wrote about "Cleon's respectably sexy design". This is why the book dust jacket collectors and resellers have really latched on to the names "CLEON" and "CLEONIKE", and why the book authors discussing Hemingway, Scribners, and/or book dust jackets have used "Cleon" or "Cleonike" as well. The single instance of "Cleonike Wilkins" that I found was in the New York Times listing of what may have been her final show in 1975. (Makes sense that she would use "Cleonike" if she wasn't using "Damianakes" in her name.)
So anyway... If it's ok with you I think we should sort this out ASAP before the DYK goes out... I could go either way on whether the DYK hook needs to change since it discusses her identity as a commercial artist (although even Scribner's Magazine referred to her as "Cleo Damianakes" in 1925, while explicitly acknowledging that she was married to "R. B. Wilkins"). I just want to avoid Wikipedia being the source of yet another slightly misnamed biography that causes more confusion and has the unintended consequence of making information about certain people harder to find (i.e., in this case, Cleo Damianakes / "Cleo Damianakes Wilkins" which could also be a redirect, along with "Cleo Wilkins"). Cielquiparle ( talk) 14:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Here are some details we left out. Do they belong in the article, or is it TMI?
@ Edwardx What do you think? Cielquiparle ( talk) 14:21, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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It complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sectionsMOS:LEAD. Bruxton ( talk) 13:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Although the presence of citations in the lead is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article, there is no exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none.. But if you really dislike it I can look at reworking the article. Just probably can't get to it until the morning, Could we have an extension until March 18 when you are back? Cielquiparle ( talk) 21:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
"permanent collections of National Gallery of Art" consider adding a determiner like "the" before National
"Damianakes,[9][10] was founder" again consider a determiner before founder
"panels in lieu of writing a thesis" consider using "instead" in place of in lieu
"Frank G. Logan prize" should Prize" be capitalied?
"A Farewell to Arms earned her the reputation as creator of" consider "as a creator"
"Other first edition dust jackets" in this use I think first-edition is hyphenated
"Cleo had four sisters, Alexandra, Marie, Stephanie, and Dorothy,[9] with whom she performed Greek dance,[12] and a brother named Solon."[11] consider a minor rewrite to "Cleo had four sisters, Alexandra, Marie, Stephanie, and Dorothy,[9] with whom she performed Greek dance.[12] She also had a brother named Solon."[11]
Covers for Hemingway Good use of notes, and the inflation template
Covers for Hemingway Good understanding of WP:LQ in the section
Covers for Hemingway I cannot access the source but did the source say "I never like the jacket" or was it "liked"?
The article has quality sources and Earwig (24.2%) only alerts to quotes, titles and names
"Early life and education" Citation 8 and 9 support the text
"Early life and education" checked 10 and 19 and both support the text
Etching exhibitions - citation 23 says Among the prints singled out as of extraordinary merit is "The Oak Tree" and our article says "Damianakes's The Oak Tree, was singled out as "extraordinary" in an exhibit in Boston" a reasonable interpretation. I have checked the other citations in this section and they support the text
Covers for Hemingway "In 1925, "Cleon", the name she used to sign her commercial art during this period" in the given source citation 25 I do not see the "Cleon" name used in citation 25, but I see it in ciation 18. Both sources are used for the sentence so it works
Citation 27 supports the quote.
Covers for Hemingway - some citations are offline so I can AGF. All other accessible citations in this section are correctly supporting the text.
Covers for the Fitzgeralds - 7 of the 8 citaitons were offline sources, but citation 36 was checked and it supports the text
Art for other books - The accessible sources were checked for this section and they support the text
Personal life - The citations support the text
Legacy - is it possible to expand this section? If not I understand
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