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Needed lots of work. Errors in spelling and format. It contained material not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Still needs some more information to flesh it out. -- January 1, 2006 67.62.85.151
Added more information and changed some things. -- January 16, 2006 Ronin.shinta
A lot of editing done...Citations needed, especially in the "trivia" section. -- Scientizzle 20:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
This article still contains unclear or factually innacurate information, the reference to the English government occupying Scotland, is this the Commonwealth of England under Oliver Cromwell? another English government that was occupying Scotland, like that of Edward I? Or was it in fact the British government? And as this article relates only to Scotland i would also opt to use " James VI" to avoid confusion with James I.
This article is an exact copy of Clan MacNeil of Barra. One of these two should be turned into a redirect of the other. Which is the more proper name for this article? Clan MacNeil or Clan MacNeil of Barra? Resolute 20:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
There ought to be links to http://www.the-macneils.org.uk. Frankly, it seems that the only organised presence is of the Barra spelling; not any other (when it comes to domain names).(a different J.McNeill)
This article uses the terms Norse in an ambiguos way. I believe it is commonly accepted that Norsemen or Norse in English usage is a general term for Scandinavians of the Viking era. When you say "of Norse or Danish origin" it is similar to saying "of British or English origin". If you mean Norwegian say so. If you know the people were predominantly Norwegian and Danish say so. If it is unclear if the people were predominantly Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic or other Norsemen use Norse. Norse is not synonymous to Norwegian and the Norwegians were as clearly defined as Swedes and Danes were so there is no reason to replace Norwegian with Norse. It will only add confusion. Inge 17:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
As a McNeill of Colonsay, I really do object to being lumped in with the MacNeils of Barra.
It seems some ignorant American has gone and undone all my work at correcting matters.
The Clan Chief of the MacNeils is NOT the Clan Chief of the McNeills!
The massive list of names that was recently copy and pasted from various McNeil, Neil, etc. disambig pages belongs on those disambiguation pages - not this article. Same goes for Al Gore and his ggg-grandfather McNeil...-- Celtus ( talk) 05:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I'm an American with Scottish roots, and I don't know much about heraldry. I do know that only the chief can wear the coat of arms, but I was wondering if is approporiate to place the coat of arms on the Wiki page, and if so, would someone be willing to include one and a discussion of the symbolism?
the motto of clan mcneill SURRENDER OR DIE, much migration and clans imprisoned, killed after culloden, lots went to the colonies, you bustve come from one ae those brave soals, trying to restore, the rightful stewart line, n theres a lot of catholics still in Scotland, its all mixed up in the protestant thing and how the british monarchs head of the church etc...I digress....so aye, my grandfather and census records show migration from islands to central Scotland in 1800s and more in 1900s checkable on ancestry , com site... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.252.161 ( talk) 17:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC) I know that the canadian and American Clan MacNeil pages have an image of the crest, but I don't know if it's available to use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgiamed ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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has extra text (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)). I think it is out of date though, for instance the crest doesn't appear to be current, also the motto is different from the one used in the crest badge, there may be other things too, but those are the only I noticed right now. Here's what the reference gives... "Arms: Quarterly. 1, Vert, a lion rampant or. 2, Argent, in base the sea, with a castle issuant therefrom proper. 3, Or, a lymphad, sails furled sable. 4, Or, a dexter hand palewise couped gules, within an orle of nine fetterlocks. Crest: A rock proper. Supporters: Two lions propre. Motto: "Vincere vel mori" (Vicotry or death). Lyon Register, II,5; III, 24; XXII, 60; XLVI, 61."--
Celtus (
talk) 21:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)Clan MacNeil may be a Good article candidate ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Clans of Scotland/Assessment). One problem I foresee is the unreferenced list of chiefs, is this list really necessary? Yours ever, Czar Brodie ( talk) 01:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
There are actually 2 versions of the Latin Motto circulating: "Vincere vel mori" and "Vincere aut mori". Both of them seem to be extant on the Internet, though "vel" seems to be more common. Technically "aut" is "exclusive or" while "vel" is "inclusive or" (i.e. vel includes the logical concept of "conquering while also dying"). Personally (as a "Neill"), I know this as "vincere vel mori", but someone authoritative should weigh in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.19.201 ( talk) 15:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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Needed lots of work. Errors in spelling and format. It contained material not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Still needs some more information to flesh it out. -- January 1, 2006 67.62.85.151
Added more information and changed some things. -- January 16, 2006 Ronin.shinta
A lot of editing done...Citations needed, especially in the "trivia" section. -- Scientizzle 20:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
This article still contains unclear or factually innacurate information, the reference to the English government occupying Scotland, is this the Commonwealth of England under Oliver Cromwell? another English government that was occupying Scotland, like that of Edward I? Or was it in fact the British government? And as this article relates only to Scotland i would also opt to use " James VI" to avoid confusion with James I.
This article is an exact copy of Clan MacNeil of Barra. One of these two should be turned into a redirect of the other. Which is the more proper name for this article? Clan MacNeil or Clan MacNeil of Barra? Resolute 20:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
There ought to be links to http://www.the-macneils.org.uk. Frankly, it seems that the only organised presence is of the Barra spelling; not any other (when it comes to domain names).(a different J.McNeill)
This article uses the terms Norse in an ambiguos way. I believe it is commonly accepted that Norsemen or Norse in English usage is a general term for Scandinavians of the Viking era. When you say "of Norse or Danish origin" it is similar to saying "of British or English origin". If you mean Norwegian say so. If you know the people were predominantly Norwegian and Danish say so. If it is unclear if the people were predominantly Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic or other Norsemen use Norse. Norse is not synonymous to Norwegian and the Norwegians were as clearly defined as Swedes and Danes were so there is no reason to replace Norwegian with Norse. It will only add confusion. Inge 17:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
As a McNeill of Colonsay, I really do object to being lumped in with the MacNeils of Barra.
It seems some ignorant American has gone and undone all my work at correcting matters.
The Clan Chief of the MacNeils is NOT the Clan Chief of the McNeills!
The massive list of names that was recently copy and pasted from various McNeil, Neil, etc. disambig pages belongs on those disambiguation pages - not this article. Same goes for Al Gore and his ggg-grandfather McNeil...-- Celtus ( talk) 05:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I'm an American with Scottish roots, and I don't know much about heraldry. I do know that only the chief can wear the coat of arms, but I was wondering if is approporiate to place the coat of arms on the Wiki page, and if so, would someone be willing to include one and a discussion of the symbolism?
the motto of clan mcneill SURRENDER OR DIE, much migration and clans imprisoned, killed after culloden, lots went to the colonies, you bustve come from one ae those brave soals, trying to restore, the rightful stewart line, n theres a lot of catholics still in Scotland, its all mixed up in the protestant thing and how the british monarchs head of the church etc...I digress....so aye, my grandfather and census records show migration from islands to central Scotland in 1800s and more in 1900s checkable on ancestry , com site... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.252.161 ( talk) 17:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC) I know that the canadian and American Clan MacNeil pages have an image of the crest, but I don't know if it's available to use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgiamed ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: |edition=
has extra text (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)). I think it is out of date though, for instance the crest doesn't appear to be current, also the motto is different from the one used in the crest badge, there may be other things too, but those are the only I noticed right now. Here's what the reference gives... "Arms: Quarterly. 1, Vert, a lion rampant or. 2, Argent, in base the sea, with a castle issuant therefrom proper. 3, Or, a lymphad, sails furled sable. 4, Or, a dexter hand palewise couped gules, within an orle of nine fetterlocks. Crest: A rock proper. Supporters: Two lions propre. Motto: "Vincere vel mori" (Vicotry or death). Lyon Register, II,5; III, 24; XXII, 60; XLVI, 61."--
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talk) 21:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)Clan MacNeil may be a Good article candidate ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Clans of Scotland/Assessment). One problem I foresee is the unreferenced list of chiefs, is this list really necessary? Yours ever, Czar Brodie ( talk) 01:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
There are actually 2 versions of the Latin Motto circulating: "Vincere vel mori" and "Vincere aut mori". Both of them seem to be extant on the Internet, though "vel" seems to be more common. Technically "aut" is "exclusive or" while "vel" is "inclusive or" (i.e. vel includes the logical concept of "conquering while also dying"). Personally (as a "Neill"), I know this as "vincere vel mori", but someone authoritative should weigh in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.19.201 ( talk) 15:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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