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Right, I have merged this with the article Bradford and added a bit of extra information about the history of the city. It still looks entirely crap though compared to most other British cities, but that's a job for someone else! Brummie dave 20:49, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
And I have reverted the Merge. The whole matter is under discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Subdivisions. PLease do not jump the gun again. There is a world of difference between articles about the Area and about the Town. -- Tagishsimon
For what it's worth (I'm an official with Bradford Council who has just discovered Wikipedia and made a few minor edits to both Bradford entries) I agree with Tagishimon - The Bradford District does contain a number of quite distinct settlements which though part of the Bradford Metropolitan District are definitely not part of the city of Bradford by any commonsense definition, so they do need to be separate. Part of the confusion arises from the headings though - the page titled "City of Bradford" is actually about the Bradford Metropolitan District. I'd suggest keeping the entries separate, but tidy up the "Bradford" entry to ensure it ONLY talks about the actual city area itself. E.g. Saltaire can legitimately be included as a place in the Bradford Metropolitan District entry, with a link to its own page, but it really shouldn't be included in the "Bradford" entry - it's part of Shipley, and only came under Bradford Council at 1974 local government reorganisation. The whole issue of geographical identity is anything but straightforward! Phil.
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Source www.mapsandstats.com, ultimately ONS 2001 Census.-- ElvisThePrince 15:21, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Many of Bradford's "ethnic Pakistani's" are in fact Kashmiris. Why isn't there no mention of this in the article?
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I have restored the consensus reached at Talk:Bradford#City_of_Bradford on 05/05/09, by moving this page from City of Bradford to Government of Bradford and redirecting the former to Bradford. Chrisieboy ( talk) 13:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The images in this article are pretty poor. The static image is grainy and not befitting to such an important English city. This gentleman has alot of free-to-use images of West Yorkshire, and he has skylines in this set such as this that we could ask to use?
Other free panoramas include a few here. I haven't really found anything at www.geograph.org.uk. -- Jza84 | Talk 15:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I think poor is an epic understatement! The current images do a complete disservice to what could (and should) be a good article, in time. A good find - there are some fine pictures amongst them. Let's just hope he'll oblige... Thisrain ( talk) 00:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like to move this article to City of Bradford Metropolitan District. I note the discussion I was much involved in at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Subdivisions#Controversial or confusing cases. The reasons for the move are this:
(The current naming invites us to put information relevant to the Bradford article in this article - namely the date of the grant of city status in the info box. The area was not granted city status. The settlement was.
Discuss. --00:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I work for the Council, and we call ourselves Bradford Met. The Metropolitan District was originally a set of Unitary authorities which included a city council for Bradford. These were combined to make what was initially BMDC - Bradford Metropolitan District Council. Unlike City of Leeds, it is never referred to as City of Bradford, because it contains 143square km, six urban centres, and several moors. random link from Council's website. The area is always referred to as the Bradford District or the Bradford Metropolitan District nother random page from website. I would have said that Bradford Metropolitan District is the right title for the article. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 11:32, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Is Baildon a parish?
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Following the previous discussion I propose a move to Bradford Metropolitan District. The council refers to itself as Bradford Metropolitan District Council or City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council as shown in various council sites [1], more of which have been given above. Locally people refer to the larger area as the Bradford Metropolitan District and would assume that City of Bradford referred to the central area. Council equipment is marked "Bradmet" a shortening of the above.
This move will reduce confusion and bring the name in line with normal usage. -- Q Chris ( talk) 19:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The legal name of the local authority is the entire thing - City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council - not 'City of Bradford'. The legal name of the area it serves is Bradford Metropolitan District. If Keith is going to quote the website, he can quote this page [2] which explains this quite clearly. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 22:25, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved: no concensus after 43 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 10:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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was called the Bradford met
It seems to me that we are potentially missing something here, debating what to call the two articles on the district and the main settlement. I wonder whether it would be better to just merge the two articles and immediately end confusion. Firstly without doubt the settlement forms by far the largest portion of the district (about 60% of the population and about one third of the land area) as well as providing the name of the district. Secondly, the two articles have a considerable overlap:
I think this should wait until the name discussion is resolved. If we continue to have names that most people will assume have the opposite meaning to the normal usage (Everyone I know would assume that the City of Bradford is the central area inside Bradford, and not that Bradford is inside the City of Bradford) then I would support a merger to avoid the continued confusion, and possibly some other people would too. -- Q Chris ( talk) 07:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I've just noticed that the tourism section is basically a copy of Helen Mead's article in the T&A (which is at least cited). But the section could probably do with expanding upon, if anyone has the inclination. Nick Watts ( talk) 15:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
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The graph demonstrating the distribution of seats on the Council is inaccurate - at any rate, it does not match the cited figures next to it. I'd like that to be sorted out, and thought as I may as well do it.
Additionally, at the top of the Council section there's a lonely sentence fragment that's presumably been left after a previous edit.
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I've removed the crime rate stats as they were bogus and only related to the inner core of the city, thus giving a slanted picture of the whole expanted City of Bradford. 92.22.206.154 ( talk) 13:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
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edit A......With a large influx of Asian immigrants and the local council's pursuit of a policy of multiculturalism in the 1980s, separatism between ethnic communities became an issue.[12] In 1989, a section of the Muslim community led a campaign against Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses, and caught the attention of the international media by publicly burning a copy of the book.[13][14] In July 2001, ethnic tensions led to rioting. The Ouseley Report, written shortly before the riots broke out, noted that Bradford had become deeply divided by segregated schooling, with communities deeply ignorant of each other, and there was widespread fear of crime and violence which West Yorkshire Police had insufficiently tackled for fear of being branded racist.[15][12] In response to the Ouseley Report, approximately £3 million was provided by the Home Office and the Neighbourhood Renewal Fund to regenerate the city.[16] A further £2 billion was invested in regenerating the city centre, building a banqueting hall, new housing and leisure facilities.[17]
edit B......In 1989, copies of Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses were burnt in the city, and a section of the Muslim community led a campaign against the book. In July 2001, ethnic tensions led to conflict, and a report described Bradford as fragmented and a city of segregated ethnic communities.[12][13]............. thanks Epicforest.. 92.22.209.145 ( talk) 19:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Removed population break down from info box, it's covered in the demographics, also noted that other major UK cities ie Birmingham and Leeds don't have this feature as I'm surmising it would be repeating information given in the demographic section of each city page. Epicforest ( talk) 13:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes you are correct, I got mixed up between Leeds pages, but how does that work regarding the Leeds and City of Leeds page and the City of Bradford page compared to the Bradford page, I've just checked what I'm surmising is the Bradford settlement page and that only covers the old boundary population of around 293,000 compared to 523,000 on the City of Bradford page, where as both Leeds pages have populations of around 750,000. Both city's were expanded in 1974 as were many more in the UK at that time, surely then both Bradford pages should have the same population statistics. Epicforest ( talk) 19:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm unable to update the City of Bradford population figure in the information box, could you possibly add the exact 2011 census figure 522,452, here is the reference.... http://www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/government_politics_and_public_administration/2011_census — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epicforest ( talk • contribs) 11:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm reomoving the Muslim density graph as it's use makes no sense to just use one ethnic grouping in it, a density graph including everyone has been uploaded, British white is by far the biggest group in the city, so not quite understanding the use of the muslim density graph. If you want to use a graph in this way all ethnic groups should be included with different colours representing each ethnic grouping. Epicforest ( talk) 17:44, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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I'm confused. I came here to check the population. This article says c.535K. But the one on Bradford itself also has c.530K (to add to my confusion, it actually quotes two similar but different figures!), and the one on Keighley, for instance, has 50K. Simple question, I hope, but what are the pop. figures for the city itself and wider council/borough area? Could this be be presented more clearly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.70.166 ( talk) 14:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Is there any tangible proof of Bradford being a cathedral city? @ BfCathedral: @ PamD:@ Crouch, Swale: @ TiB: DragonofBatley ( talk) 22:21, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
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Someone's linked the wrong Robbie Moore! 188.28.183.34 ( talk) 23:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Right, I have merged this with the article Bradford and added a bit of extra information about the history of the city. It still looks entirely crap though compared to most other British cities, but that's a job for someone else! Brummie dave 20:49, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
And I have reverted the Merge. The whole matter is under discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Subdivisions. PLease do not jump the gun again. There is a world of difference between articles about the Area and about the Town. -- Tagishsimon
For what it's worth (I'm an official with Bradford Council who has just discovered Wikipedia and made a few minor edits to both Bradford entries) I agree with Tagishimon - The Bradford District does contain a number of quite distinct settlements which though part of the Bradford Metropolitan District are definitely not part of the city of Bradford by any commonsense definition, so they do need to be separate. Part of the confusion arises from the headings though - the page titled "City of Bradford" is actually about the Bradford Metropolitan District. I'd suggest keeping the entries separate, but tidy up the "Bradford" entry to ensure it ONLY talks about the actual city area itself. E.g. Saltaire can legitimately be included as a place in the Bradford Metropolitan District entry, with a link to its own page, but it really shouldn't be included in the "Bradford" entry - it's part of Shipley, and only came under Bradford Council at 1974 local government reorganisation. The whole issue of geographical identity is anything but straightforward! Phil.
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Many of Bradford's "ethnic Pakistani's" are in fact Kashmiris. Why isn't there no mention of this in the article?
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I have restored the consensus reached at Talk:Bradford#City_of_Bradford on 05/05/09, by moving this page from City of Bradford to Government of Bradford and redirecting the former to Bradford. Chrisieboy ( talk) 13:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The images in this article are pretty poor. The static image is grainy and not befitting to such an important English city. This gentleman has alot of free-to-use images of West Yorkshire, and he has skylines in this set such as this that we could ask to use?
Other free panoramas include a few here. I haven't really found anything at www.geograph.org.uk. -- Jza84 | Talk 15:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I think poor is an epic understatement! The current images do a complete disservice to what could (and should) be a good article, in time. A good find - there are some fine pictures amongst them. Let's just hope he'll oblige... Thisrain ( talk) 00:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like to move this article to City of Bradford Metropolitan District. I note the discussion I was much involved in at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Subdivisions#Controversial or confusing cases. The reasons for the move are this:
(The current naming invites us to put information relevant to the Bradford article in this article - namely the date of the grant of city status in the info box. The area was not granted city status. The settlement was.
Discuss. --00:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I work for the Council, and we call ourselves Bradford Met. The Metropolitan District was originally a set of Unitary authorities which included a city council for Bradford. These were combined to make what was initially BMDC - Bradford Metropolitan District Council. Unlike City of Leeds, it is never referred to as City of Bradford, because it contains 143square km, six urban centres, and several moors. random link from Council's website. The area is always referred to as the Bradford District or the Bradford Metropolitan District nother random page from website. I would have said that Bradford Metropolitan District is the right title for the article. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 11:32, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Is Baildon a parish?
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01:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Following the previous discussion I propose a move to Bradford Metropolitan District. The council refers to itself as Bradford Metropolitan District Council or City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council as shown in various council sites [1], more of which have been given above. Locally people refer to the larger area as the Bradford Metropolitan District and would assume that City of Bradford referred to the central area. Council equipment is marked "Bradmet" a shortening of the above.
This move will reduce confusion and bring the name in line with normal usage. -- Q Chris ( talk) 19:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The legal name of the local authority is the entire thing - City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council - not 'City of Bradford'. The legal name of the area it serves is Bradford Metropolitan District. If Keith is going to quote the website, he can quote this page [2] which explains this quite clearly. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 22:25, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved: no concensus after 43 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 10:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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19:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
was called the Bradford met
It seems to me that we are potentially missing something here, debating what to call the two articles on the district and the main settlement. I wonder whether it would be better to just merge the two articles and immediately end confusion. Firstly without doubt the settlement forms by far the largest portion of the district (about 60% of the population and about one third of the land area) as well as providing the name of the district. Secondly, the two articles have a considerable overlap:
I think this should wait until the name discussion is resolved. If we continue to have names that most people will assume have the opposite meaning to the normal usage (Everyone I know would assume that the City of Bradford is the central area inside Bradford, and not that Bradford is inside the City of Bradford) then I would support a merger to avoid the continued confusion, and possibly some other people would too. -- Q Chris ( talk) 07:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I've just noticed that the tourism section is basically a copy of Helen Mead's article in the T&A (which is at least cited). But the section could probably do with expanding upon, if anyone has the inclination. Nick Watts ( talk) 15:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
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The graph demonstrating the distribution of seats on the Council is inaccurate - at any rate, it does not match the cited figures next to it. I'd like that to be sorted out, and thought as I may as well do it.
Additionally, at the top of the Council section there's a lonely sentence fragment that's presumably been left after a previous edit.
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I've removed the crime rate stats as they were bogus and only related to the inner core of the city, thus giving a slanted picture of the whole expanted City of Bradford. 92.22.206.154 ( talk) 13:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm looking for a consensus for or against regarding the amount of space given to this subject. I post under the login tag Epicforest. I'm not going to spend a lot of time explaining other than show you the two edits. My edit is B, I believe it's more in keeping with the page rather than A which in my opinion is overblown in comparison with.. for example.. how the troubles are covered on the Belfast page and riots in London and Leeds on there respective pages. The two Bradford incidents are adequately covered on wiki pages regarding both incidents. The gentleman who produced edit A kindly showed me how to go about things regarding getting a consensus on Wikipedia or not... which I thank him for.
edit A......With a large influx of Asian immigrants and the local council's pursuit of a policy of multiculturalism in the 1980s, separatism between ethnic communities became an issue.[12] In 1989, a section of the Muslim community led a campaign against Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses, and caught the attention of the international media by publicly burning a copy of the book.[13][14] In July 2001, ethnic tensions led to rioting. The Ouseley Report, written shortly before the riots broke out, noted that Bradford had become deeply divided by segregated schooling, with communities deeply ignorant of each other, and there was widespread fear of crime and violence which West Yorkshire Police had insufficiently tackled for fear of being branded racist.[15][12] In response to the Ouseley Report, approximately £3 million was provided by the Home Office and the Neighbourhood Renewal Fund to regenerate the city.[16] A further £2 billion was invested in regenerating the city centre, building a banqueting hall, new housing and leisure facilities.[17]
edit B......In 1989, copies of Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses were burnt in the city, and a section of the Muslim community led a campaign against the book. In July 2001, ethnic tensions led to conflict, and a report described Bradford as fragmented and a city of segregated ethnic communities.[12][13]............. thanks Epicforest.. 92.22.209.145 ( talk) 19:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Removed population break down from info box, it's covered in the demographics, also noted that other major UK cities ie Birmingham and Leeds don't have this feature as I'm surmising it would be repeating information given in the demographic section of each city page. Epicforest ( talk) 13:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes you are correct, I got mixed up between Leeds pages, but how does that work regarding the Leeds and City of Leeds page and the City of Bradford page compared to the Bradford page, I've just checked what I'm surmising is the Bradford settlement page and that only covers the old boundary population of around 293,000 compared to 523,000 on the City of Bradford page, where as both Leeds pages have populations of around 750,000. Both city's were expanded in 1974 as were many more in the UK at that time, surely then both Bradford pages should have the same population statistics. Epicforest ( talk) 19:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm unable to update the City of Bradford population figure in the information box, could you possibly add the exact 2011 census figure 522,452, here is the reference.... http://www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/government_politics_and_public_administration/2011_census — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epicforest ( talk • contribs) 11:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm reomoving the Muslim density graph as it's use makes no sense to just use one ethnic grouping in it, a density graph including everyone has been uploaded, British white is by far the biggest group in the city, so not quite understanding the use of the muslim density graph. If you want to use a graph in this way all ethnic groups should be included with different colours representing each ethnic grouping. Epicforest ( talk) 17:44, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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I'm confused. I came here to check the population. This article says c.535K. But the one on Bradford itself also has c.530K (to add to my confusion, it actually quotes two similar but different figures!), and the one on Keighley, for instance, has 50K. Simple question, I hope, but what are the pop. figures for the city itself and wider council/borough area? Could this be be presented more clearly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.70.166 ( talk) 14:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Is there any tangible proof of Bradford being a cathedral city? @ BfCathedral: @ PamD:@ Crouch, Swale: @ TiB: DragonofBatley ( talk) 22:21, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
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Someone's linked the wrong Robbie Moore! 188.28.183.34 ( talk) 23:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)