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Recent material added by a New York IP editor is missing inline citations of independent reliable sources for verification of claims made in the article. Also, if the editor is involved with Cinereach, welcome. Corrections and removal of falsehoods are welcome. But instead of making major changes to the article, suggest those changes here on the article's Talk page first, per our conflict of interest guidelines. Also, consider creating an account and declaring your interest in Cinereach. Thanks. -- Lexein ( talk) 18:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Apologies! Thanks for your patience with our inexperience in this community. Our aim is to remove or correct outdated company info for which we are the primary source (like active and discontinued programs offered to filmmakers and updates to the listing of films that we are affiliated with as a funder and production company). Some items in the Cinereach Wikipedia article reference our website Cinereach.org but link to pages that were removed years ago. Outside sources cited are from 2012 and older, and contain information that should be replaced with newer coverage.
We will start a new section to list factual corrections.
Thank you! RevaGoldberg ( talk) 18:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
A few factual corrections to the Cinereach posting:
1. Para 1 states: "Cinereach is a nonprofit[1] film funding organization in New York, NY, founded in 2006, which provides grants, awards, and an annual fellowship "to films from underrepresented perspectives."[2] The organization also has partnerships with other film development organizations such as the Sundance Institute[3] and other film funding organizations such as the Skoll Foundation.[4]"
- correction 1: "to films from underrepresented perspectives" is not an accurate representation of our mission statement. Our mission is to fund and produce films "at the intersection of engaging storytelling, visual artistry and vital subject matter." We do this through three areas, Grants & Awards (grants for feature fiction and nonfiction films at any stage of production), The Reach Film Fellowship (funding and mentorship for short films being taken from concept to completion by emerging directors) and our in-house Productions (film financing) departments.
- correction 2: We do have a partnership with the Sundance Institute, but not with the Skoll Foundation.
Para 2 states: "The Cinereach annual Reach Film Fellowship promotes and awards funds to documentary and narrative "socially relevant" films. In 2008, Reach Fellowship grants were awarded to four recipients, producing three documentaries and one narrative film, in the amount $5000 each.[5]"
- correction: It is important to note that The Reach Film Fellowship it is for short films, and for emerging filmmakers. We usually select two fiction films and two nonfiction films to participate in the program, but that is not a hard-and-fast rule. The granting amounts also range from year to year and are not always $5,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.86.132.139 ( talk) 19:23, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. Thanks for your attention to our factual corrections. I understand and appreciate why your site prefers to keep information that comes from sources outside of the organization being profiled. Some third party sources, including industry press, should be able to help future contributors improve and flesh out the Cinereach Wikipedia page.
I wouldn't say the inaccuracies on the current page exactly "damage" Cinereach in a quantifiable way, but they make the piece less useful, especially if the reader is a filmmaker seeking funds or a non-profit peer looking for partnership. It's not that much of the post is completely factually incorrect, but it does seem to highlight pieces of information that are outdated or not essential to what Cinereach is/does, and seem to construe and generalize about Cinereach with misplaced emphasis. This has the result of seeming to incorrectly characterize Cinereach.
Regarding the claim that we have a partnership with the Skoll Foundation: the article you site lists the Sundance institute's major supporters. In one paragraph it lists both Cinereach and Skoll as supporters of Sundance. While Skoll and Cinereach have their support of Sundance in common, and are somewhat like-minded organizations, the reference article sited does not mention any connection between Cinereach and Skoll.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
Reva Goldberg Cinereach — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.86.132.139 ( talk) 17:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. Please see the Reply quote box under the subsequent heading for more information about your request. |
I am a member of the Cinereach staff, the company this article is about. The requested edits below include subtractions, additions and clarifying points. The article has not been edited since 2011/12 and references information at our web site, Cinereach.org, that was removed from the site years ago. Below I am suggesting citing the current Cinereach.org to replace outdated info that currently points to discontinued pages on the same domain. I realize that the website of a company featured in an article is not the ideal source for some types of information, but because the current article cites so much of its information from Cinereach.org (and pages that no longer exist there) I'm hoping that we can correct some of this information by pointing to pages on Cinereach.org that do exist. I also site third party sources where possible.
In the box at top right containing the logo:
"Reach Film Fellowship" was discontinued in 2012:
Production and Financing
Cinereach grant-making information:
Recent Films:
Missing program to be added: Producers Initiative
Thank you for your attention to these corrections. Please let me know if there are any concerns with what we have presented. Thank you also for your patience with us, as we make best efforts to educate ourselves and make constructive contributions in accordance with the guidelines of this community. It is a learning curve!
RevaGoldberg ( talk) 19:01, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you for your attention to these requests, and the detailed explanations. Given what you wrote I'd like to rephrase a few of the requests made originally as follows. Please let me know if there is a different format or forum I should be using to respond to what you wrote.
Cinereach Fellowship:
Recent Supported and Produced Films:
With gratitude
RevaGoldberg (
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21:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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@ RevaGoldberg: Thank you for your reply.
spintendo 01:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Spintendo: Thank you again! I believe I've fixed the format of the references above for the supported and produced films. I hope those work better now! Let's leave off the two Fellows for now. I expect I will be able to add more with new sources soon, so I'll plan to come back and request an edit accordingly when there's enough there to stand alone.
@ Spintendo: Hi there! So sorry to nudge. I'm sure you're busy! Just checking to see if you were able to see the revised references I provided to your point 1 above, where I changed them all to the appropriate format (I hope!). I can put in a new edit request if you'd prefer. Still figuring out proper wikipedia etiquette! 108.30.103.9 ( talk) 20:45, 12 July 2018 (UTC) OOPS didn't realize I was not logged in! RevaGoldberg ( talk) 20:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Cinereach article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
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content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The following Wikipedia contributor has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include
conflict of interest,
autobiography, and
neutral point of view. Their edits to this article were last checked for neutrality on 04-04-2018 by Isingness.
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Recent material added by a New York IP editor is missing inline citations of independent reliable sources for verification of claims made in the article. Also, if the editor is involved with Cinereach, welcome. Corrections and removal of falsehoods are welcome. But instead of making major changes to the article, suggest those changes here on the article's Talk page first, per our conflict of interest guidelines. Also, consider creating an account and declaring your interest in Cinereach. Thanks. -- Lexein ( talk) 18:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Apologies! Thanks for your patience with our inexperience in this community. Our aim is to remove or correct outdated company info for which we are the primary source (like active and discontinued programs offered to filmmakers and updates to the listing of films that we are affiliated with as a funder and production company). Some items in the Cinereach Wikipedia article reference our website Cinereach.org but link to pages that were removed years ago. Outside sources cited are from 2012 and older, and contain information that should be replaced with newer coverage.
We will start a new section to list factual corrections.
Thank you! RevaGoldberg ( talk) 18:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
A few factual corrections to the Cinereach posting:
1. Para 1 states: "Cinereach is a nonprofit[1] film funding organization in New York, NY, founded in 2006, which provides grants, awards, and an annual fellowship "to films from underrepresented perspectives."[2] The organization also has partnerships with other film development organizations such as the Sundance Institute[3] and other film funding organizations such as the Skoll Foundation.[4]"
- correction 1: "to films from underrepresented perspectives" is not an accurate representation of our mission statement. Our mission is to fund and produce films "at the intersection of engaging storytelling, visual artistry and vital subject matter." We do this through three areas, Grants & Awards (grants for feature fiction and nonfiction films at any stage of production), The Reach Film Fellowship (funding and mentorship for short films being taken from concept to completion by emerging directors) and our in-house Productions (film financing) departments.
- correction 2: We do have a partnership with the Sundance Institute, but not with the Skoll Foundation.
Para 2 states: "The Cinereach annual Reach Film Fellowship promotes and awards funds to documentary and narrative "socially relevant" films. In 2008, Reach Fellowship grants were awarded to four recipients, producing three documentaries and one narrative film, in the amount $5000 each.[5]"
- correction: It is important to note that The Reach Film Fellowship it is for short films, and for emerging filmmakers. We usually select two fiction films and two nonfiction films to participate in the program, but that is not a hard-and-fast rule. The granting amounts also range from year to year and are not always $5,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.86.132.139 ( talk) 19:23, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. Thanks for your attention to our factual corrections. I understand and appreciate why your site prefers to keep information that comes from sources outside of the organization being profiled. Some third party sources, including industry press, should be able to help future contributors improve and flesh out the Cinereach Wikipedia page.
I wouldn't say the inaccuracies on the current page exactly "damage" Cinereach in a quantifiable way, but they make the piece less useful, especially if the reader is a filmmaker seeking funds or a non-profit peer looking for partnership. It's not that much of the post is completely factually incorrect, but it does seem to highlight pieces of information that are outdated or not essential to what Cinereach is/does, and seem to construe and generalize about Cinereach with misplaced emphasis. This has the result of seeming to incorrectly characterize Cinereach.
Regarding the claim that we have a partnership with the Skoll Foundation: the article you site lists the Sundance institute's major supporters. In one paragraph it lists both Cinereach and Skoll as supporters of Sundance. While Skoll and Cinereach have their support of Sundance in common, and are somewhat like-minded organizations, the reference article sited does not mention any connection between Cinereach and Skoll.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
Reva Goldberg Cinereach — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.86.132.139 ( talk) 17:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. Please see the Reply quote box under the subsequent heading for more information about your request. |
I am a member of the Cinereach staff, the company this article is about. The requested edits below include subtractions, additions and clarifying points. The article has not been edited since 2011/12 and references information at our web site, Cinereach.org, that was removed from the site years ago. Below I am suggesting citing the current Cinereach.org to replace outdated info that currently points to discontinued pages on the same domain. I realize that the website of a company featured in an article is not the ideal source for some types of information, but because the current article cites so much of its information from Cinereach.org (and pages that no longer exist there) I'm hoping that we can correct some of this information by pointing to pages on Cinereach.org that do exist. I also site third party sources where possible.
In the box at top right containing the logo:
"Reach Film Fellowship" was discontinued in 2012:
Production and Financing
Cinereach grant-making information:
Recent Films:
Missing program to be added: Producers Initiative
Thank you for your attention to these corrections. Please let me know if there are any concerns with what we have presented. Thank you also for your patience with us, as we make best efforts to educate ourselves and make constructive contributions in accordance with the guidelines of this community. It is a learning curve!
RevaGoldberg ( talk) 19:01, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
References
Below you will see where text from your request has been quoted with individual advisory messages placed underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please see the enclosed notes for additional information about each request. spintendo 14:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Extended content
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Thank you for your attention to these requests, and the detailed explanations. Given what you wrote I'd like to rephrase a few of the requests made originally as follows. Please let me know if there is a different format or forum I should be using to respond to what you wrote.
Cinereach Fellowship:
Recent Supported and Produced Films:
With gratitude
RevaGoldberg (
talk)
21:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
References
@ RevaGoldberg: Thank you for your reply.
spintendo 01:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Spintendo: Thank you again! I believe I've fixed the format of the references above for the supported and produced films. I hope those work better now! Let's leave off the two Fellows for now. I expect I will be able to add more with new sources soon, so I'll plan to come back and request an edit accordingly when there's enough there to stand alone.
@ Spintendo: Hi there! So sorry to nudge. I'm sure you're busy! Just checking to see if you were able to see the revised references I provided to your point 1 above, where I changed them all to the appropriate format (I hope!). I can put in a new edit request if you'd prefer. Still figuring out proper wikipedia etiquette! 108.30.103.9 ( talk) 20:45, 12 July 2018 (UTC) OOPS didn't realize I was not logged in! RevaGoldberg ( talk) 20:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)