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I recall, many years ago, seeing a 45 from the 1950's by Joey Adams. The songwriter's credit on at least one of the sides was "Cindy Heller," thus verifying her birth name. In addition, I seem to recall her in 1968 doing a gossip segment on WABC-TV in the months prior to the launch of Eyewitness News (check New York-Metro editions of TV Guide from 1968 to get all the details before putting in one way or another). Wbwn 18:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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T L Miles (
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The subject of this article recently (2008-10-22) wrote a piece in the New York Post, containing the following [1]:
I told [Jimmy Wales] my own personal listed information is factually incorrect and I can substantiate its inaccuracies with legal documentation.
Totally unfazed, he said, "People should use it for background - not as their primary source."
I explained the misinformation on my site is not only outrageous but hurtful.
Even more totally unfazed, he said, "Sometimes those sorts of things can be posted by someone who doesn't like you."
He ultimately agreed to a re-edit.
That was two months ago. He did nothing.
This seems very strange, seeing how concerned Jimmy Wales is with WP:BLP. But in any case, it's hard to address the problem directly since she doesn't mention which information in particular it is that offends her. For the moment all we can do is make sure that all information is backed up with reliable sources.
Also, I learned that Lindsay Lohan has a tatoo. Lampman ( talk) 09:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this early life section for now. Reasons:
I hope that makes sense. -- Scott MacDonald ( talk) 16:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've also removed the personal life section on the same grounds. Can we discuss this before anything gets replaced.-- Scott MacDonald ( talk) 16:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Ah, the cat's out of the bag! According to this: [3] the contentious material was not her biography at all, so that was removed to no avail. The problem is the age, according to herself she is not an octogenarian. I'm gonna go ahead and reinsert the biography part, since that was not the issue. At the same time I will remove any references to her age and d.o.b, per WP:BLP, since it is unsourced and the subject seems to object to it. I think this proves my point above about the futility of panicking and removing all biographical material at the faintest media criticism. BLP is about proper sourcing, not about pleasing the subject at any cost.
I will also contact Mr. Wales about this. I'm reluctant to bother him, since all sorts of people run down his door over any minor issue, but here it seems he is the only one capable of actually shedding some light over the issue. Lampman ( talk) 15:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Everyme 16:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Here is the article from The New York Observer that claims Adams is 83: [4], but Adams herself assumes they got that information from Wikipedia. Not unlikely; that's how a lot of lazy journalists pretend to do their jobs these days. Lampman ( talk) 19:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Huffington Post [1] posted a screen shot of Cindy Adams' voter registration, which they attribute to Cityfile [2], as proof that she was born in 1930, and thus is 78 years old. I didn't want to go ahead and add this information myself, as there is some controversy about it and I'm relatively new to Wikipedia editing, etiquette, guidelines, etc. Just FYI. Spiderjeru ( talk) 02:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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This woman dishes on everyone's business, and you cannot put here age down, since she objects. This is crazy! Put the gossip's age down. If she stated that 83 was incorrect; let her prove it,or leave it there. With this mentality; all celebrity's will have a blank page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Factcorrect12 ( talk • contribs) 20:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Why do we list her mother's date of birth and death, including a link to a site purporting to confirm it in Social Security records? I don't see (a) the relevance of this to Cindy Adams nor (b) how the link proves anything interesting at all. The link tells me to search for a person of a different name, is this even her mother? (I actually don't really doubt it, but for a BLP, this level of sourcing strikes me as unacceptable.) Since there has been some discussion of her date of birth, I can't help but wonder if this isn't in some way related to that?-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 09:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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I recall, many years ago, seeing a 45 from the 1950's by Joey Adams. The songwriter's credit on at least one of the sides was "Cindy Heller," thus verifying her birth name. In addition, I seem to recall her in 1968 doing a gossip segment on WABC-TV in the months prior to the launch of Eyewitness News (check New York-Metro editions of TV Guide from 1968 to get all the details before putting in one way or another). Wbwn 18:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Please make sure you read and understand the
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy before editing this article.
T L Miles (
talk) 17:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
The subject of this article recently (2008-10-22) wrote a piece in the New York Post, containing the following [1]:
I told [Jimmy Wales] my own personal listed information is factually incorrect and I can substantiate its inaccuracies with legal documentation.
Totally unfazed, he said, "People should use it for background - not as their primary source."
I explained the misinformation on my site is not only outrageous but hurtful.
Even more totally unfazed, he said, "Sometimes those sorts of things can be posted by someone who doesn't like you."
He ultimately agreed to a re-edit.
That was two months ago. He did nothing.
This seems very strange, seeing how concerned Jimmy Wales is with WP:BLP. But in any case, it's hard to address the problem directly since she doesn't mention which information in particular it is that offends her. For the moment all we can do is make sure that all information is backed up with reliable sources.
Also, I learned that Lindsay Lohan has a tatoo. Lampman ( talk) 09:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this early life section for now. Reasons:
I hope that makes sense. -- Scott MacDonald ( talk) 16:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've also removed the personal life section on the same grounds. Can we discuss this before anything gets replaced.-- Scott MacDonald ( talk) 16:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Ah, the cat's out of the bag! According to this: [3] the contentious material was not her biography at all, so that was removed to no avail. The problem is the age, according to herself she is not an octogenarian. I'm gonna go ahead and reinsert the biography part, since that was not the issue. At the same time I will remove any references to her age and d.o.b, per WP:BLP, since it is unsourced and the subject seems to object to it. I think this proves my point above about the futility of panicking and removing all biographical material at the faintest media criticism. BLP is about proper sourcing, not about pleasing the subject at any cost.
I will also contact Mr. Wales about this. I'm reluctant to bother him, since all sorts of people run down his door over any minor issue, but here it seems he is the only one capable of actually shedding some light over the issue. Lampman ( talk) 15:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Everyme 16:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Here is the article from The New York Observer that claims Adams is 83: [4], but Adams herself assumes they got that information from Wikipedia. Not unlikely; that's how a lot of lazy journalists pretend to do their jobs these days. Lampman ( talk) 19:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Huffington Post [1] posted a screen shot of Cindy Adams' voter registration, which they attribute to Cityfile [2], as proof that she was born in 1930, and thus is 78 years old. I didn't want to go ahead and add this information myself, as there is some controversy about it and I'm relatively new to Wikipedia editing, etiquette, guidelines, etc. Just FYI. Spiderjeru ( talk) 02:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
References
This woman dishes on everyone's business, and you cannot put here age down, since she objects. This is crazy! Put the gossip's age down. If she stated that 83 was incorrect; let her prove it,or leave it there. With this mentality; all celebrity's will have a blank page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Factcorrect12 ( talk • contribs) 20:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Why do we list her mother's date of birth and death, including a link to a site purporting to confirm it in Social Security records? I don't see (a) the relevance of this to Cindy Adams nor (b) how the link proves anything interesting at all. The link tells me to search for a person of a different name, is this even her mother? (I actually don't really doubt it, but for a BLP, this level of sourcing strikes me as unacceptable.) Since there has been some discussion of her date of birth, I can't help but wonder if this isn't in some way related to that?-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 09:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)