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Can someone verify which version of this musical the song list in this article was taken from? I know it can't be the 1997 (Brandy) version because it doesn't include the songs from other R&H musicals that were added to that version. However, I couldn't confirm if the song list was from the 1957 (Julie Andrews) version or the 1965 (Lesley Ann Warren) version. -- RBBrittain 01:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the track listing for Sony-Columbia SK 60889, "Original Television Broadcast Soundtrack" (1957, Julie Andrews) is:
BONUS TRACKS
The track listing for Sony Broadway SK 53538, "The 1965 CBS Television Production of Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella (Lesley Anne Warren) is:
Dpbsmith (talk) 01:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Since a comparison of the two lists (as well as another note from the R&H website that "Loneliness Of Evening" was added in 1965) makes it clear that the list is from the original 1957 version, I will add that to the article. -- RBBrittain 01:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
By the way, surely I'm not the only one who has noticed that although Cinderella was billed as being an authentic Rodgers and Hammerstein musical that just happened to be produced on television instead of on Broadway... nevertheless, the R&H Broadway musicals were never pure fluff and frivolity. They tended to deal with serious themes in a serious way; You'd Got To Be Carefully Taught elicited negative audience reaction during the Boston tryouts of South Pacific, Oklahoma and Carousel had portions that were quite dark in tone, and several of them edged up to the topic of race prejudice. Sexuality is not too far from the surface (when Nellie Forbush was saying she was going to "wash that man right out of my hair" what, exactly, was she washing, and out of what hair?) In sharp contrast, Cinderella has not the slightest trace of any serious theme that I can detect, nor the faintest hint of sexuality.
Another observation is that "Cinderella's" reference does not really appear to be to the Perrault story but, well, to the Disney version. When they start singing about "Fol-de-rol and fiddle-de-dee" surely I'm not the only person who thinks "Why didn't they just come right out and say 'Bibbidy-bobbidi-boo?'" Dpbsmith (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed Robert Penn, thinking there was no such character as "Lionel." I put him back upon seeing he was billed as the Town Crier per IMDB. ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057950/) If it turns out his name was Lionel in that production, I hereby apologize in advance. :) -- RayBirks 04:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I changed the name of the singer for "Falling in Love With Love". It is sung by the Stepmother--played by Bernadette Peters, to her 2 daughters, who sing in the last few lines. Ref: [ [1]], and, I admit, original research. JeanColumbia 16:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I suggest renaming this article to "Cinderella (1957 musical)". This would be consistant with the format used for Peter Pan (1954 musical). Cinderella was written for television, and although it was recorded on kinescope, it was not exactly produced as a "telefilm". Comments? Thomprod ( talk) 19:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I have re-written and re-organized the article in keeping with the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Article Structure, adding previously missing sections on History, Productions, Critical Response and Recordings, while keeping most of what was already there. I am working on a synopsis that will contain the song titles in the text, as well as as researching any awards. Comments and additions are welcome. -- Thomprod ( talk) 16:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Nice job! Well done. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
This article contains text copied directly from this website without quotation marks. This is plagiarism. I would suggest that the editors here return to the sources and check them against the article for this problem. All direct quotes need to be attributed and include quotation marks. Most of what is taken from the sources should either be paraphrased or completely rewritten in your own words. Awadewit ( talk) 08:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Has all of the article's text been checked? Now that one instance of plagiarism has been found, we need to check the rest of the sources agains the article's text. Awadewit ( talk) 08:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The song has an interesting history because it has "almost been" in several musicals, but was cut before opening. The King and Queen perform this song in the first palace scene in some stage versions of Rodgers and Hammerstein's "Cinderella" (see YouTube), although it was not in the original 1957 TV production. Richard Rodgers wrote in his autobiography that the 1957 TV version used the music as part of the waltz music at the ball.
An anonymous editor added: "The 1997 version is the first multi-racial cast performance of Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella, and Brandy became the first African-American to play Cinderella. This version broke viewer-ship records when it debuted, and it holds the record for the bestselling video for a made for TV movie." Are there references to support all these assertions? What viewship records? Can you cite a WP:Reliable Source for each assertion here? Some of this info seems dubious. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Is the color version gone forever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.114.70.231 ( talk) 19:31, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I changed the Broadway cat to a West End cat, since the stage musical played at the London Coliseum long before it came to Broadway. Correct me if I am mis-remembering this, but I think the Musicals project consensus was to add a cat only for the first major market, either West End or Broadway, where a musical plays. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 03:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
There should be a second page for the new Broadway version. This is the FIRST time it's been on Broadway and it's practically a completely new story-line. There are new songs. New characters. New actors. It deserves a sister page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.125.143 ( talk) 23:56, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
A user called TravBrady moved/renamed this article to (1957 musical) instead of using the composer name. See /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/TravBrady This strikes me as a bad idea. Unlike films, we generally do NOT name musicals by year, since a musical can be written in one year, published in another, have a concept album in another, premiere in another, be broadcast in another, and then be revived over and over, with the most important production not necessarily being the original production. I suggest returning it to "Cinderella (Rodgers and Hammerstein musical)". -- Ssilvers ( talk) 00:43, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
You dumb little boy, rehehehehe 2601:3CA:4181:3F50:E404:9493:4EA1:D2DF ( talk) 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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Can someone verify which version of this musical the song list in this article was taken from? I know it can't be the 1997 (Brandy) version because it doesn't include the songs from other R&H musicals that were added to that version. However, I couldn't confirm if the song list was from the 1957 (Julie Andrews) version or the 1965 (Lesley Ann Warren) version. -- RBBrittain 01:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the track listing for Sony-Columbia SK 60889, "Original Television Broadcast Soundtrack" (1957, Julie Andrews) is:
BONUS TRACKS
The track listing for Sony Broadway SK 53538, "The 1965 CBS Television Production of Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella (Lesley Anne Warren) is:
Dpbsmith (talk) 01:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Since a comparison of the two lists (as well as another note from the R&H website that "Loneliness Of Evening" was added in 1965) makes it clear that the list is from the original 1957 version, I will add that to the article. -- RBBrittain 01:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
By the way, surely I'm not the only one who has noticed that although Cinderella was billed as being an authentic Rodgers and Hammerstein musical that just happened to be produced on television instead of on Broadway... nevertheless, the R&H Broadway musicals were never pure fluff and frivolity. They tended to deal with serious themes in a serious way; You'd Got To Be Carefully Taught elicited negative audience reaction during the Boston tryouts of South Pacific, Oklahoma and Carousel had portions that were quite dark in tone, and several of them edged up to the topic of race prejudice. Sexuality is not too far from the surface (when Nellie Forbush was saying she was going to "wash that man right out of my hair" what, exactly, was she washing, and out of what hair?) In sharp contrast, Cinderella has not the slightest trace of any serious theme that I can detect, nor the faintest hint of sexuality.
Another observation is that "Cinderella's" reference does not really appear to be to the Perrault story but, well, to the Disney version. When they start singing about "Fol-de-rol and fiddle-de-dee" surely I'm not the only person who thinks "Why didn't they just come right out and say 'Bibbidy-bobbidi-boo?'" Dpbsmith (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed Robert Penn, thinking there was no such character as "Lionel." I put him back upon seeing he was billed as the Town Crier per IMDB. ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057950/) If it turns out his name was Lionel in that production, I hereby apologize in advance. :) -- RayBirks 04:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I changed the name of the singer for "Falling in Love With Love". It is sung by the Stepmother--played by Bernadette Peters, to her 2 daughters, who sing in the last few lines. Ref: [ [1]], and, I admit, original research. JeanColumbia 16:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I suggest renaming this article to "Cinderella (1957 musical)". This would be consistant with the format used for Peter Pan (1954 musical). Cinderella was written for television, and although it was recorded on kinescope, it was not exactly produced as a "telefilm". Comments? Thomprod ( talk) 19:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I have re-written and re-organized the article in keeping with the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Article Structure, adding previously missing sections on History, Productions, Critical Response and Recordings, while keeping most of what was already there. I am working on a synopsis that will contain the song titles in the text, as well as as researching any awards. Comments and additions are welcome. -- Thomprod ( talk) 16:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Nice job! Well done. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
This article contains text copied directly from this website without quotation marks. This is plagiarism. I would suggest that the editors here return to the sources and check them against the article for this problem. All direct quotes need to be attributed and include quotation marks. Most of what is taken from the sources should either be paraphrased or completely rewritten in your own words. Awadewit ( talk) 08:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Has all of the article's text been checked? Now that one instance of plagiarism has been found, we need to check the rest of the sources agains the article's text. Awadewit ( talk) 08:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The song has an interesting history because it has "almost been" in several musicals, but was cut before opening. The King and Queen perform this song in the first palace scene in some stage versions of Rodgers and Hammerstein's "Cinderella" (see YouTube), although it was not in the original 1957 TV production. Richard Rodgers wrote in his autobiography that the 1957 TV version used the music as part of the waltz music at the ball.
An anonymous editor added: "The 1997 version is the first multi-racial cast performance of Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella, and Brandy became the first African-American to play Cinderella. This version broke viewer-ship records when it debuted, and it holds the record for the bestselling video for a made for TV movie." Are there references to support all these assertions? What viewship records? Can you cite a WP:Reliable Source for each assertion here? Some of this info seems dubious. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Is the color version gone forever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.114.70.231 ( talk) 19:31, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I changed the Broadway cat to a West End cat, since the stage musical played at the London Coliseum long before it came to Broadway. Correct me if I am mis-remembering this, but I think the Musicals project consensus was to add a cat only for the first major market, either West End or Broadway, where a musical plays. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 03:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
There should be a second page for the new Broadway version. This is the FIRST time it's been on Broadway and it's practically a completely new story-line. There are new songs. New characters. New actors. It deserves a sister page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.125.143 ( talk) 23:56, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
A user called TravBrady moved/renamed this article to (1957 musical) instead of using the composer name. See /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/TravBrady This strikes me as a bad idea. Unlike films, we generally do NOT name musicals by year, since a musical can be written in one year, published in another, have a concept album in another, premiere in another, be broadcast in another, and then be revived over and over, with the most important production not necessarily being the original production. I suggest returning it to "Cinderella (Rodgers and Hammerstein musical)". -- Ssilvers ( talk) 00:43, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
You dumb little boy, rehehehehe 2601:3CA:4181:3F50:E404:9493:4EA1:D2DF ( talk) 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)