![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
|
"Of the cited fifteen black men killed by police action since 1995, three (including Thomas) had not even used deadly weapons against police (only ten were firearms, the rest had tried to run the police officers over using motor vehicles), and only four police officers were killed or wounded in the course of the related arrest attempts. [4] Despite all the situations which led to the deaths of the young black males, no police were ever found guilty through any civil or criminal trials; in only one case were the police officers involved reprimanded and given extra training (Death of Michael Carpenter by Officers Michael Miller, III and Brent McCurley)."
I especially loved how "only ten" of the 15 used firearms and how the others "only" tried to use vehicles to "run the police over"
Bias really needs to be corrected
How is this biased? It's factual. Just because it makes the CPD look bad doesn't mean it's not true. Where is the bias? -- Duemellon 14:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but having a firearm pulled out or a car trying to run you over is not perceived, it is reality. 76.177.39.156 ( talk) 01:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is absolutely biased. Not what it says about why the riots happened, that's fine, but it says practically nothing about the details of the rioters crimes. Many business' windows were smashed, car windows were smashed of people sitting in their cars, and innocent people assaulted who had absolutely nothing to do with Timothy Thomas. Where is that at? THAT is the bias of this article. In fact I'd say it completely downplays the actions of the rioters, and points lots of fingers at police. This article sounds like it was written BY A RIOTER. There are other things too. It says rioters set "small fires"? Define "small." And a "small crowd" formed? How "small?" How about stating an approximate number of people instead? For such a controversial subject this article seriously lacks good, verifiable, inline references; which are needed on practically every statement. If a statement isn't verifiable it will be challenged and removed. I will be doing research and cleaning up this article in the future because it SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY needs it. J.H ( talk) 21:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
dude, I was there, it didn't start this way. It started with a peaceful demonstration downtown (not in OTR) it erupted into a riot when the police shot a little black girl and several others with beanbag guns in the back (caught on video, shown on news, she was on her way home from school, but could cross the street because the cops in riot gear wouldn't let her the news said). They were also going around macing people and arresting people for being black. Then the news showed some of these things on tv and it was on! And yes rioter broke windows, stole stuff and started fires. It's a riot, this is what happens in a riot. You don't like riots, don't go around letting the cops murder people left ad right! Obviously, someone from CPD has been messing with this article, again. 72.91.70.49 ( talk) 00:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC) -- whoops forgot to sign in (Texxs)
Sorry, I didnt' have the time to really flesh it out. It was not going to remain a simple copy of the information here. There is much more information to detail it with & will be included. I am removing the redirect as it is it's own separate issue and article. -- Duemellon 13:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Fordmadoxfraud, Owensby's death was decided by court to have been caused by improper police procedures. Whether it was the initial choke hold or improperly caring for an injured person, they did not follow the procedures in place at the time which would have prevented him from dying (or at least prevented him from not having medical attention for the length of time he did). I do believe, with the judge's and later court proceeding's decisions, we can say they were the cause & not as just a possible POV. I am open to discuss any wording you feel would keep this fact in mind -- Duemellon 12:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Removed the statement that Thomas reportedly had a brick. From the multitudinous reports I've seen I have never heard any mention of him possibly being armed having been stated before or during the chase. Even after he was shot there was no initial reports of him being armed. It was later, after Roach was interviewed by investigations that the suspicion of Thomas being armed came up. If you have information otherwise, please share. -- Duemellon 04:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
In the second paragraph of the section Background of tensions, the word lawsuit pops up twice, but it's not clear what this refers to. Does anybody know ? Unmitigated Success 14:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
The lawsuit was in reference to the lawsuit mentioned in the next point. Added a link to the "lawsuit" word to point to it for clarification. -- Duemellon 01:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
There are no citations for this article. External links do not count towards this, as they must be introduced per WP:CITE using <ref></ref> tags. There are places where the tone is also not as approperiate as I would have hoped, with a slant against the police officers - i.e. unbalanced. Let's try and correct these issues and get this article up to par. Seicer ( talk) ( contribs) 20:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
if you don't feel comfortable rewriting them, at least point out which ones. Thanks -- Duemellon 10:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Due to no response or specificity, the NPOV tag will be removed. If the person with the complaint cannot find specific items or suggestions, it can be assumed it is because they find no factual flaws, bending, or bias to point out & in this case it may just mean that, after review, even though the information may put a certain entity in a bad light, the information is factual & not skewed. -- Duemellon 15:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is so bad in the linkage. Items in the links for instance say 'Cincinnati Post' which links to the article about that newpaper, NOTHING about the topic. I will [in time] try to fix much of this, but it is a morass of bad linkage. -- Dumarest 00:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
1) I removed the statements about cops being killed or not during the confrontations. The explanation the Blacks had died "during apprehension, chase, confrontation or while in custody in cruisers" which covers that. Adding that information isn't necessary & was inserted clumsily.
2) Removed the statement that whites were pulled from cars, hit with bats, & screams of "get whitey filled the air" as being non-essential & sensationalistic. The statement: "There was violence against White and non-Black citizens who were in the area"
3)There was a removal (previous to Monstertrucker's changes) of the statement after the citation that national trends show Blacks resist arrest more often then whites as that information is borderline surperflous. The point wasn't how little or often whites do or don't resist, it's that, despite how many whites resited none of them died! Currently considering removing that factoid as well. -- Duemellon 23:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if my posting is creating problems, I am new to contributing to Wikipedia.-- Monstertrucker 29 October 2006
If you would like to balance the information that's one thing, but the way it was inserted was uncomfortable & some of the language used was sensational. If you feel there are parts of this which are sensationalized please point them out or change them to be less sensational.
I believe that the article as it stands now is more balanced than it had been. What I was struck by when I read it was a lack of background regarding the circumstances of the shootings and lack of info on what took place during the actual riots. There was a lot of info on the trials of the officers and the boycott which is very useful and if you notice I did not change anything about those. All facets of this story are important and deserve to be covered.
From my view, it's not about whether or not the riots are justified, but these are the reasons why those people rioted & the reasons for the tension. -- Duemellon 12:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that it is very important to know the reasons why they rioted and the reasons for tensions in this city. I also believe it is important to know why the police acted as they did, right or wrong, and what happened during the riots. This presents the complete story and both sides are shown, correctly, to have behaved badly. Whether intended or not, people are going to pass judgement as they read, so they should have the benefit of all the information. I don't feel that adding factual, related information to any story is a negative thing as it only enhances the reader's understanding of the events described. Monstertrucker 15:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm confused about how it's important to include why the police had people die in their custody &/r confrontation? Is it to show they acted nobly or according to their policies? It was cited later there were no convictions for the police, which would mean they followed the procedures or were never cited as NOT following. I'm wondering why something that is clear when reading must be restated that way. -- Duemellon 15:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
1) The detail to what the police did in the deaths of the Black males is about equal to what the cops did, in exception of Owensby & Thomas. It didn't say how the people died in custody. It didn't say which ones were criminals, which ones were shot, or hit, or left to die, etc. It only said they died while in the polices' custody. It's pretty darn bland if you ask me. If you really really want to detail each incident they should be spawned off as subarticles somewhere else. In no way has this article said the police killed them unlawfully, unjustly, or mercilessly. The fact is, they died in police custody, during pursuit, &/r confrontations. No blame, no other details.
2) There's only detail on Owensby & Thomas, Caton & Jorg, & Roach, in this article. The balance you're seeking is an imbalance because that's all being talked about. Owensby's trial coincided with Thomas' death, which was the fuel for the fire.
3) Details about the riots are sketchy. The only information I have is from personal knowledge & such. The buildup, the results, & legacy, are things that are sourced. If you have some sources about actions in the riots, please do so from a credible source. The riots are much more than those 2 nights & to treat them as just those 2 nights would be terribly discourteous. -- Duemellon 20:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Detailing the 15 deaths is not necessary and only will provide a distraction to the point of this article. Currently their deaths are being handled appropriately. There is no blame, no trials, no fingerpointing. The information is very bland & matter-of-factly. It says, as the fact is, they died while in custody, pursuit, and/or confrontation, with the police. No explanation for fault, or sensationalization of the circumstances. If you want to detail them I strongly suggest you make a spinoff article for them instead. The information you seek to add as background is getting too detailed to be practical as we could then start talking about the entire history of race riots in Cincy, economic demographics, when our 1st Black politicians were, individual murders, the Sentinels, etc etc.
As for getting pics from the Enquirer, that won't happen. It's copyrighted material. If you want to provide links, go ahead, but you can't include them here. -- Duemellon 11:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I have watched this page for some time, and a few months ago wanted to do a full rewrite. Now that is has been at leas partially divided and some of the 'stuff' is in other pages, I would like to do that full rewrite again, but it will mean greatly modifying this page and others, and I do not know how I can do that in a way that my rewrite of more than one page can be done and evaluated by 'the world' [i.e. you commentators] before it is placed in place of the current pages. Help!! How can I do this.-- Dumarest 20:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
What I know is you simply drop it in. Start a discussion & see what happens. Keep it factual because there will be people who disagree. Now, if you run into a dispute as to which facts to display (if both are valid, or are competiting) then include them both in the article in a relevent & smooth way. This does not include apologetic or irrelevent details. -- Duemellon 23:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Removed tag. If you believe it's POV please provide specific examples. A general complaint is not actionable. -- Duemellon 11:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello all, I wandered over here following the {{external links}} tag. I've never even heard of this incident before, so I claim to be fairly neutral. Anyhow, I'm going to start to go through and fix up the main problem from my end, which is that articles that should be inline citations affixed to facts are instead listed in a rather formidable external links section. While I do that, I'll try to remove non-neutral language and fix up grammar and all that. Thank you to whoever put those links into categories, that will make this task much much easier. Just wanted to say hello to the editors who have obviously put a lot of time into this article and let y'all know what I'm doing. -- Gimme danger 16:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I am moving some of the external links off of the article to the talk page. They may be useful in the future as references, but an article should not have 40 links.
Some of the links/future references don't actually mention the 2001 riots. This could be a original research or synthesis problem in incorporating them into the article. I don't know enough about the topic to decide at this point however. DigitalC ( talk) 18:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
*
Statement From Alicia Reece –
WCPO-TV
I am trying to research the riots where people were destroying their community while attacking people of different races. Instead there is 8 sentences about the riot, and 8 pages about police officers killing armed gangsters in the line of duty. Can we make 2 pages, one that has the police officer trials, and one about the riot?
Much bs info in the "article" but it the question remains open: How many died in the riots? -- 188.23.73.236 ( talk) 15:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
First, I removed the link to the Michelle Malkin article. I would also like to remove or have removed the link to the "Ascendancy" article. Both are opinion pieces and both are written by people far removed from the events of the riots, what caused them, etc. You really can't find more biased articles. I can only suggest that people try searching for information at Cincinnati.com or by looking at the Cincinnati station's archives at sites for WCPO, WKRC, WXIX, or WCET. As for the events leading up to the Timothy Thomas shooting, which were certainly more influential than Owensby I would suggest looking at the following link (it actually has statistics, quotes from police);
CityBeat is also a good resource if you can find articles prior to and during April 2001.
I would hope that we could get some editors on this outside of Cincinnati and those who are not racially motivated - because that seems to be where all the bias comes. I, personally, won't edit this article other than removing blatant things like the link to Malkin's opinion piece because while I want to have a NPOV stance my blood pressure would skyrocket once I get into the surrounding arguments. I'm just trying to be honest. The issue has been politicized enough and after 10 years we should stop with it and just report the facts or remove the article. JoeHenzi ( talk) 02:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Thomas was 19 when he died and there is a slight chance that some of the information in the portion below, that I removed, could be from when he was a minor - but that is sealed so I would only wonder who made those edits and how they got that information. I can't find a reference for any of this and in fact, the reference provided hardly mentions his traffic violations. It's a discussion/interview piece. Honestly - this is the worst cited article on Wikipedia in my opinion. I've seen hoax articles that have better and believable sources. I said I wouldn't edit, but this is factually wrong;
Neither in 2001 or today was there anything in the news about these charges of "minor assault" and all were non-violent, not "most". He was certainly guilty of repeated traffic offenses, but until someone can link his rap sheet, I can't see how this should be included as it's unproven. JoeHenzi ( talk) 03:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 06:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Cincinnati riots of 2001. Please take a moment to review
my edit. You may add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether, but should be used as a last resort. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 10:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Cincinnati riots of 2001. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 20:54, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
|
"Of the cited fifteen black men killed by police action since 1995, three (including Thomas) had not even used deadly weapons against police (only ten were firearms, the rest had tried to run the police officers over using motor vehicles), and only four police officers were killed or wounded in the course of the related arrest attempts. [4] Despite all the situations which led to the deaths of the young black males, no police were ever found guilty through any civil or criminal trials; in only one case were the police officers involved reprimanded and given extra training (Death of Michael Carpenter by Officers Michael Miller, III and Brent McCurley)."
I especially loved how "only ten" of the 15 used firearms and how the others "only" tried to use vehicles to "run the police over"
Bias really needs to be corrected
How is this biased? It's factual. Just because it makes the CPD look bad doesn't mean it's not true. Where is the bias? -- Duemellon 14:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but having a firearm pulled out or a car trying to run you over is not perceived, it is reality. 76.177.39.156 ( talk) 01:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is absolutely biased. Not what it says about why the riots happened, that's fine, but it says practically nothing about the details of the rioters crimes. Many business' windows were smashed, car windows were smashed of people sitting in their cars, and innocent people assaulted who had absolutely nothing to do with Timothy Thomas. Where is that at? THAT is the bias of this article. In fact I'd say it completely downplays the actions of the rioters, and points lots of fingers at police. This article sounds like it was written BY A RIOTER. There are other things too. It says rioters set "small fires"? Define "small." And a "small crowd" formed? How "small?" How about stating an approximate number of people instead? For such a controversial subject this article seriously lacks good, verifiable, inline references; which are needed on practically every statement. If a statement isn't verifiable it will be challenged and removed. I will be doing research and cleaning up this article in the future because it SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY needs it. J.H ( talk) 21:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
dude, I was there, it didn't start this way. It started with a peaceful demonstration downtown (not in OTR) it erupted into a riot when the police shot a little black girl and several others with beanbag guns in the back (caught on video, shown on news, she was on her way home from school, but could cross the street because the cops in riot gear wouldn't let her the news said). They were also going around macing people and arresting people for being black. Then the news showed some of these things on tv and it was on! And yes rioter broke windows, stole stuff and started fires. It's a riot, this is what happens in a riot. You don't like riots, don't go around letting the cops murder people left ad right! Obviously, someone from CPD has been messing with this article, again. 72.91.70.49 ( talk) 00:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC) -- whoops forgot to sign in (Texxs)
Sorry, I didnt' have the time to really flesh it out. It was not going to remain a simple copy of the information here. There is much more information to detail it with & will be included. I am removing the redirect as it is it's own separate issue and article. -- Duemellon 13:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Fordmadoxfraud, Owensby's death was decided by court to have been caused by improper police procedures. Whether it was the initial choke hold or improperly caring for an injured person, they did not follow the procedures in place at the time which would have prevented him from dying (or at least prevented him from not having medical attention for the length of time he did). I do believe, with the judge's and later court proceeding's decisions, we can say they were the cause & not as just a possible POV. I am open to discuss any wording you feel would keep this fact in mind -- Duemellon 12:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Removed the statement that Thomas reportedly had a brick. From the multitudinous reports I've seen I have never heard any mention of him possibly being armed having been stated before or during the chase. Even after he was shot there was no initial reports of him being armed. It was later, after Roach was interviewed by investigations that the suspicion of Thomas being armed came up. If you have information otherwise, please share. -- Duemellon 04:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
In the second paragraph of the section Background of tensions, the word lawsuit pops up twice, but it's not clear what this refers to. Does anybody know ? Unmitigated Success 14:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
The lawsuit was in reference to the lawsuit mentioned in the next point. Added a link to the "lawsuit" word to point to it for clarification. -- Duemellon 01:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
There are no citations for this article. External links do not count towards this, as they must be introduced per WP:CITE using <ref></ref> tags. There are places where the tone is also not as approperiate as I would have hoped, with a slant against the police officers - i.e. unbalanced. Let's try and correct these issues and get this article up to par. Seicer ( talk) ( contribs) 20:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
if you don't feel comfortable rewriting them, at least point out which ones. Thanks -- Duemellon 10:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Due to no response or specificity, the NPOV tag will be removed. If the person with the complaint cannot find specific items or suggestions, it can be assumed it is because they find no factual flaws, bending, or bias to point out & in this case it may just mean that, after review, even though the information may put a certain entity in a bad light, the information is factual & not skewed. -- Duemellon 15:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is so bad in the linkage. Items in the links for instance say 'Cincinnati Post' which links to the article about that newpaper, NOTHING about the topic. I will [in time] try to fix much of this, but it is a morass of bad linkage. -- Dumarest 00:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
1) I removed the statements about cops being killed or not during the confrontations. The explanation the Blacks had died "during apprehension, chase, confrontation or while in custody in cruisers" which covers that. Adding that information isn't necessary & was inserted clumsily.
2) Removed the statement that whites were pulled from cars, hit with bats, & screams of "get whitey filled the air" as being non-essential & sensationalistic. The statement: "There was violence against White and non-Black citizens who were in the area"
3)There was a removal (previous to Monstertrucker's changes) of the statement after the citation that national trends show Blacks resist arrest more often then whites as that information is borderline surperflous. The point wasn't how little or often whites do or don't resist, it's that, despite how many whites resited none of them died! Currently considering removing that factoid as well. -- Duemellon 23:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if my posting is creating problems, I am new to contributing to Wikipedia.-- Monstertrucker 29 October 2006
If you would like to balance the information that's one thing, but the way it was inserted was uncomfortable & some of the language used was sensational. If you feel there are parts of this which are sensationalized please point them out or change them to be less sensational.
I believe that the article as it stands now is more balanced than it had been. What I was struck by when I read it was a lack of background regarding the circumstances of the shootings and lack of info on what took place during the actual riots. There was a lot of info on the trials of the officers and the boycott which is very useful and if you notice I did not change anything about those. All facets of this story are important and deserve to be covered.
From my view, it's not about whether or not the riots are justified, but these are the reasons why those people rioted & the reasons for the tension. -- Duemellon 12:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that it is very important to know the reasons why they rioted and the reasons for tensions in this city. I also believe it is important to know why the police acted as they did, right or wrong, and what happened during the riots. This presents the complete story and both sides are shown, correctly, to have behaved badly. Whether intended or not, people are going to pass judgement as they read, so they should have the benefit of all the information. I don't feel that adding factual, related information to any story is a negative thing as it only enhances the reader's understanding of the events described. Monstertrucker 15:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm confused about how it's important to include why the police had people die in their custody &/r confrontation? Is it to show they acted nobly or according to their policies? It was cited later there were no convictions for the police, which would mean they followed the procedures or were never cited as NOT following. I'm wondering why something that is clear when reading must be restated that way. -- Duemellon 15:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
1) The detail to what the police did in the deaths of the Black males is about equal to what the cops did, in exception of Owensby & Thomas. It didn't say how the people died in custody. It didn't say which ones were criminals, which ones were shot, or hit, or left to die, etc. It only said they died while in the polices' custody. It's pretty darn bland if you ask me. If you really really want to detail each incident they should be spawned off as subarticles somewhere else. In no way has this article said the police killed them unlawfully, unjustly, or mercilessly. The fact is, they died in police custody, during pursuit, &/r confrontations. No blame, no other details.
2) There's only detail on Owensby & Thomas, Caton & Jorg, & Roach, in this article. The balance you're seeking is an imbalance because that's all being talked about. Owensby's trial coincided with Thomas' death, which was the fuel for the fire.
3) Details about the riots are sketchy. The only information I have is from personal knowledge & such. The buildup, the results, & legacy, are things that are sourced. If you have some sources about actions in the riots, please do so from a credible source. The riots are much more than those 2 nights & to treat them as just those 2 nights would be terribly discourteous. -- Duemellon 20:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Detailing the 15 deaths is not necessary and only will provide a distraction to the point of this article. Currently their deaths are being handled appropriately. There is no blame, no trials, no fingerpointing. The information is very bland & matter-of-factly. It says, as the fact is, they died while in custody, pursuit, and/or confrontation, with the police. No explanation for fault, or sensationalization of the circumstances. If you want to detail them I strongly suggest you make a spinoff article for them instead. The information you seek to add as background is getting too detailed to be practical as we could then start talking about the entire history of race riots in Cincy, economic demographics, when our 1st Black politicians were, individual murders, the Sentinels, etc etc.
As for getting pics from the Enquirer, that won't happen. It's copyrighted material. If you want to provide links, go ahead, but you can't include them here. -- Duemellon 11:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I have watched this page for some time, and a few months ago wanted to do a full rewrite. Now that is has been at leas partially divided and some of the 'stuff' is in other pages, I would like to do that full rewrite again, but it will mean greatly modifying this page and others, and I do not know how I can do that in a way that my rewrite of more than one page can be done and evaluated by 'the world' [i.e. you commentators] before it is placed in place of the current pages. Help!! How can I do this.-- Dumarest 20:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
What I know is you simply drop it in. Start a discussion & see what happens. Keep it factual because there will be people who disagree. Now, if you run into a dispute as to which facts to display (if both are valid, or are competiting) then include them both in the article in a relevent & smooth way. This does not include apologetic or irrelevent details. -- Duemellon 23:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Removed tag. If you believe it's POV please provide specific examples. A general complaint is not actionable. -- Duemellon 11:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello all, I wandered over here following the {{external links}} tag. I've never even heard of this incident before, so I claim to be fairly neutral. Anyhow, I'm going to start to go through and fix up the main problem from my end, which is that articles that should be inline citations affixed to facts are instead listed in a rather formidable external links section. While I do that, I'll try to remove non-neutral language and fix up grammar and all that. Thank you to whoever put those links into categories, that will make this task much much easier. Just wanted to say hello to the editors who have obviously put a lot of time into this article and let y'all know what I'm doing. -- Gimme danger 16:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I am moving some of the external links off of the article to the talk page. They may be useful in the future as references, but an article should not have 40 links.
Some of the links/future references don't actually mention the 2001 riots. This could be a original research or synthesis problem in incorporating them into the article. I don't know enough about the topic to decide at this point however. DigitalC ( talk) 18:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
*
Statement From Alicia Reece –
WCPO-TV
I am trying to research the riots where people were destroying their community while attacking people of different races. Instead there is 8 sentences about the riot, and 8 pages about police officers killing armed gangsters in the line of duty. Can we make 2 pages, one that has the police officer trials, and one about the riot?
Much bs info in the "article" but it the question remains open: How many died in the riots? -- 188.23.73.236 ( talk) 15:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
First, I removed the link to the Michelle Malkin article. I would also like to remove or have removed the link to the "Ascendancy" article. Both are opinion pieces and both are written by people far removed from the events of the riots, what caused them, etc. You really can't find more biased articles. I can only suggest that people try searching for information at Cincinnati.com or by looking at the Cincinnati station's archives at sites for WCPO, WKRC, WXIX, or WCET. As for the events leading up to the Timothy Thomas shooting, which were certainly more influential than Owensby I would suggest looking at the following link (it actually has statistics, quotes from police);
CityBeat is also a good resource if you can find articles prior to and during April 2001.
I would hope that we could get some editors on this outside of Cincinnati and those who are not racially motivated - because that seems to be where all the bias comes. I, personally, won't edit this article other than removing blatant things like the link to Malkin's opinion piece because while I want to have a NPOV stance my blood pressure would skyrocket once I get into the surrounding arguments. I'm just trying to be honest. The issue has been politicized enough and after 10 years we should stop with it and just report the facts or remove the article. JoeHenzi ( talk) 02:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Thomas was 19 when he died and there is a slight chance that some of the information in the portion below, that I removed, could be from when he was a minor - but that is sealed so I would only wonder who made those edits and how they got that information. I can't find a reference for any of this and in fact, the reference provided hardly mentions his traffic violations. It's a discussion/interview piece. Honestly - this is the worst cited article on Wikipedia in my opinion. I've seen hoax articles that have better and believable sources. I said I wouldn't edit, but this is factually wrong;
Neither in 2001 or today was there anything in the news about these charges of "minor assault" and all were non-violent, not "most". He was certainly guilty of repeated traffic offenses, but until someone can link his rap sheet, I can't see how this should be included as it's unproven. JoeHenzi ( talk) 03:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 06:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Cincinnati riots of 2001. Please take a moment to review
my edit. You may add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether, but should be used as a last resort. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 10:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Cincinnati riots of 2001. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 20:54, 7 August 2017 (UTC)