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Cindy Bullens announced some time ago that he is transgender and would like to be known as Cidny Bullens and use male pronouns - would it be possible to respect this in the Wikipedia article about him? Thanks. 176.249.122.137 ( talk) 19:50, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
In reviewing this article, it seems that there is undue weight within the lede section that should be incorporated within the article itself under Career; since there is no further information to follow up on what is first introduced (as is considered "good writing" on WP). Also, since the subject goes by and is known as Cidny and not Cindy; I suggest a page move, since the French WP has already done so. If there are no objections, I will go ahead and clean-up the article and then administer a page move similar to other subjects, i.e. Caitlyn Jenner. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 16:41, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
88ui7 I see that you have changed the content name within the article to confusingly misplace it in several places to Cindy and Cidny. Bullens is not "also known as Cidny Bullens" as you have referred to him in the infobox. Cidny has made it publicly known that he has legally changed his name to Cidny and his gender identity to a man. The article has been changed to Cidny, and therefore the tense should remain: "formerly known as Cindy"; not "now known as". You have given no reason in your edit summary, and no reliable sources to many of your changes. I've also noticed that you have created the page: Somewhere Between Heaven and Earth. For which you have provided no reliable sources or citations and may be placed for AfD due to promotional verbiage. Until you can provide reliable sources to back your claim for the changes to this article for the name change, I will be rv'ing them unless consensus is reached. The correct terminology for transgendered subjects is "formerly known as" with the present day name that they identify by associated with the article and subject. (Please see reference above and discussion at BLP Board of this subject / article) You will also need to provide a reliable source for "Cynthia". Thank you. Maineartists ( talk) 17:04, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Maineartists: Why do we need to point out in the discography section which material was released "pre-transition" and "post-transition"? It's already covered by noting his name change and under what name the releases occurred. It is discussed in the prose that Cidny transitioned. His transition is not relevant to point out in the discography section and omitting it is not something I should even need to discuss as if it's some BLP issue or like I'm trying to censor the fact they're a trans man. It should be known by the time a reader gets to the discography that Cidny transitioned. Or if a reader skips to the discography section and are confused as to why "Cindy" then "Cidny" occurs, they can consult the prose. I don't see why we need to say "pre-/post-transition" at all there—it seems gratuitous and plainly unnecessary to point out in a simple discography listing. Ss 112 04:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Ss112's edit summary "not necessary" was all the explanation needed for that edit. Reverting it with "Bring it to the Talk Page", without giving any indication of what your objection might be... was not. See WP:BRDREVERT for guidance on how to revert more constructively. (In particular, don't say "I don't have a dog in this fight", when you started the fight.) As for the content in question: There's no need for a discussion about it here because this is not actually "new territory". It's well established WP policy for trans subjects who were notable under another name that we acknowledge that name and explain the change, but we don't place unnecessary emphasis on it. Spotlighting his gender transition in the discography is literally "not necessary", and unless someone has an argument for why it is necessary... why are we discussing this? There is not statute of limitations or grandfather clause that says that anything that's been in an article for a while has to be left there; that would be ridiculous. Jason A. Quest ( talk) 18:35, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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Cindy Bullens announced some time ago that he is transgender and would like to be known as Cidny Bullens and use male pronouns - would it be possible to respect this in the Wikipedia article about him? Thanks. 176.249.122.137 ( talk) 19:50, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
In reviewing this article, it seems that there is undue weight within the lede section that should be incorporated within the article itself under Career; since there is no further information to follow up on what is first introduced (as is considered "good writing" on WP). Also, since the subject goes by and is known as Cidny and not Cindy; I suggest a page move, since the French WP has already done so. If there are no objections, I will go ahead and clean-up the article and then administer a page move similar to other subjects, i.e. Caitlyn Jenner. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 16:41, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
88ui7 I see that you have changed the content name within the article to confusingly misplace it in several places to Cindy and Cidny. Bullens is not "also known as Cidny Bullens" as you have referred to him in the infobox. Cidny has made it publicly known that he has legally changed his name to Cidny and his gender identity to a man. The article has been changed to Cidny, and therefore the tense should remain: "formerly known as Cindy"; not "now known as". You have given no reason in your edit summary, and no reliable sources to many of your changes. I've also noticed that you have created the page: Somewhere Between Heaven and Earth. For which you have provided no reliable sources or citations and may be placed for AfD due to promotional verbiage. Until you can provide reliable sources to back your claim for the changes to this article for the name change, I will be rv'ing them unless consensus is reached. The correct terminology for transgendered subjects is "formerly known as" with the present day name that they identify by associated with the article and subject. (Please see reference above and discussion at BLP Board of this subject / article) You will also need to provide a reliable source for "Cynthia". Thank you. Maineartists ( talk) 17:04, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Maineartists: Why do we need to point out in the discography section which material was released "pre-transition" and "post-transition"? It's already covered by noting his name change and under what name the releases occurred. It is discussed in the prose that Cidny transitioned. His transition is not relevant to point out in the discography section and omitting it is not something I should even need to discuss as if it's some BLP issue or like I'm trying to censor the fact they're a trans man. It should be known by the time a reader gets to the discography that Cidny transitioned. Or if a reader skips to the discography section and are confused as to why "Cindy" then "Cidny" occurs, they can consult the prose. I don't see why we need to say "pre-/post-transition" at all there—it seems gratuitous and plainly unnecessary to point out in a simple discography listing. Ss 112 04:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Ss112's edit summary "not necessary" was all the explanation needed for that edit. Reverting it with "Bring it to the Talk Page", without giving any indication of what your objection might be... was not. See WP:BRDREVERT for guidance on how to revert more constructively. (In particular, don't say "I don't have a dog in this fight", when you started the fight.) As for the content in question: There's no need for a discussion about it here because this is not actually "new territory". It's well established WP policy for trans subjects who were notable under another name that we acknowledge that name and explain the change, but we don't place unnecessary emphasis on it. Spotlighting his gender transition in the discography is literally "not necessary", and unless someone has an argument for why it is necessary... why are we discussing this? There is not statute of limitations or grandfather clause that says that anything that's been in an article for a while has to be left there; that would be ridiculous. Jason A. Quest ( talk) 18:35, 10 January 2023 (UTC)