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"Christian Dior is a very gay man" - The article doesn't explicitly say who "Raymond" and "François" are. It also says that Raymond should have been Christian's successor because Christian didn't have any children; however, the first paragraph under "History" says that he had three.
As Wikipedia has a world-wide audience can "Stores throughout the country" be replaced by "Stores throughout the US" or even the US reference dropped?
yea totally agree!
This page is badly in need of formatting and also becoming more informative. The article barely mentions the fashion it's self and rather only contains biographical details on Christian Dior's life. I'd do it but I wouldn't know where to begin.
Can we do any better with this picture? I'm having a really tough time believing that that's a Dior shoot. (that's putting it mildly. I think it's just some guys fooling around.) posted by 61.7.2.220 ( talk)
I believe that a separate page for the couture fashion of Christian Dior is needed, possibly linked by /Dior_(fashion)/me 2 i think it needs more formatting and what is in this that shows the prefumes or fashion thats what i think is wrong.
Ok yeah. Christian Dior was gay. So are most of the men involved with the company today. The article tip-toes around it. That's bullshit.
The article doesn't mention that Gianfranco Ferre was the "artistic director" for Dior at least in the early 90's, between Bohan and Galliano.
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The following paragraph
<< The New Look was absolutely appropriate for the post-war era. Dior was correct in assuming that people wanted something new after years of war, brutality and hardship. His new look was reminiscent of the Belle Epoque ideal of long skirts, tiny waists and beautiful fabrics that his mother had worn in the early 1900s. Such a traditional concept of femininity also suited the political agenda. Women had been mobilised during the war to work on farms and in factories while the men were away fighting. In peacetime those women were expected to return to passive roles as housewives and mothers, leaving their jobs free for the returning soldiers. The official paradigm of post-war womanhood was a capable, caring housewife who created a happy home for her husband and children. Dior’s “flower women” fitted the bill perfectly.
His couture house was inundated with orders. Rita Hayworth picked out an evening gown for the première of her new movie, Gilda. The ballerina, Margot Fonteyn, bought a suit. Dior put Paris back on the fashion map. The US couture clients came back in force for the autumn 1947 collections and Dior was invited to stage a private presentation of that season’s show for the British royal family in London, although King George V forbade the young princesses, Elizabeth and Margaret, from wearing the New Look lest it set a bad example at a time when rationing was still in force for the general public.>>
is from << http://www.designmuseum.org/design/christian-dior>> There's plagiarism in this article. 67.11.171.225 01:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Much of the remainder of the article is directly lifted from << http://www.fashion-forum.org/fashion-designers/christian-dior.html>>
About Toledano's saying about some sister being sent to Buchenwald, if you read the NY Times' article carefuly you'll see Toledano is talking about his own sister, not Christian Dior's. 2.80.12.1 ( talk) 21:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: Rita Haywort, Olivia de Havilland, Elizabeth Taylor, Evita Peron, the Duchess of Windsor, Barbara Hutton, Pamela Churchill, Elie de Rothschild were the first on the list of many famous and powerful women who wear Christian Dior models. And how did it all begin? In the luxurious Parisian bar in Avenue Montaigne, the number 30 was crowded 12th February 1947. year. There were a lot of writers, actors, fashion businessman, critics, photographers and journalists of all newspapers. And then, shock! According to the Croatian daily Vecernji list, but the first model in a rich wrinkled skirt showed that almost a fashion war poverty is over. The author of the first biography of Dior France Pochna wrote: "The skirt, which moves in a circle of 20 feet, hat set up to cover one eye, arrogant attitude, an incarnation of femininity, seductive, sensual and elegant combination of scandalous, true Parisian allegory. Long skirts, narrow waist, full breasts ... Women in the audience in short skirts unconsciously began to withdraw their skirts the edges." Thus was born the New Look, perhaps the most important design concept 20th century. Thus the Christian Dior changed the history of world fashion. I would add: the legend lives in the 21st century! 93.137.58.201 ( talk) 20:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
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B-Class because it's fairly comprehensive (but needs references). High-importance within fashion due to success and name recognition. Daniel Case 03:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Although categorised as an LGBT artist from France, there’s no mention of Dior’s sexuality in the article. And while Jacques Benita is a re-direct to this page, there’s no mention of him either, even though he is pretty well documented as Dior’s last partner. I appreciate that Wikipedia’s not a gossip column, but the absence of any mention at all of his sexuality seems rather odd. KJP1 ( talk) 17:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
He was gay designer 77.219.0.112 ( talk) 12:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
He was survived by Jacques Benita, a North African singer three decades his junior, the last of a number of discreet male lovers.
I removed this sentence partly because it makes no sense and partly because of the three sources cited, the only one that is not beyond a paywall is the haute couture source, which does not support the material. It "makes no sense" because generally a "survived by" statement is reserved for people with whom the subject has either a blood relationship, e.g., grandchildren, or a legal relationship, e.g., a spouse or a partner. Also, the statement about "male lovers" needs to be fully supported, and I didn't see that either in the haute couture source.
KJP1 reverted my removal, and when I put it back, removed it again, stating that it was my burden to go to Talk rather than "edit-war". That's not true per
WP:BRD, but in the interest of maybe resolving this, here I am. KJP1, if you have access to the NYT or to the New Yorker sources, do they support the material as written? If so, could you provide some text from the articles demonstrating that? Thanks.--
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"Christian Dior is a very gay man" - The article doesn't explicitly say who "Raymond" and "François" are. It also says that Raymond should have been Christian's successor because Christian didn't have any children; however, the first paragraph under "History" says that he had three.
As Wikipedia has a world-wide audience can "Stores throughout the country" be replaced by "Stores throughout the US" or even the US reference dropped?
yea totally agree!
This page is badly in need of formatting and also becoming more informative. The article barely mentions the fashion it's self and rather only contains biographical details on Christian Dior's life. I'd do it but I wouldn't know where to begin.
Can we do any better with this picture? I'm having a really tough time believing that that's a Dior shoot. (that's putting it mildly. I think it's just some guys fooling around.) posted by 61.7.2.220 ( talk)
I believe that a separate page for the couture fashion of Christian Dior is needed, possibly linked by /Dior_(fashion)/me 2 i think it needs more formatting and what is in this that shows the prefumes or fashion thats what i think is wrong.
Ok yeah. Christian Dior was gay. So are most of the men involved with the company today. The article tip-toes around it. That's bullshit.
The article doesn't mention that Gianfranco Ferre was the "artistic director" for Dior at least in the early 90's, between Bohan and Galliano.
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The following paragraph
<< The New Look was absolutely appropriate for the post-war era. Dior was correct in assuming that people wanted something new after years of war, brutality and hardship. His new look was reminiscent of the Belle Epoque ideal of long skirts, tiny waists and beautiful fabrics that his mother had worn in the early 1900s. Such a traditional concept of femininity also suited the political agenda. Women had been mobilised during the war to work on farms and in factories while the men were away fighting. In peacetime those women were expected to return to passive roles as housewives and mothers, leaving their jobs free for the returning soldiers. The official paradigm of post-war womanhood was a capable, caring housewife who created a happy home for her husband and children. Dior’s “flower women” fitted the bill perfectly.
His couture house was inundated with orders. Rita Hayworth picked out an evening gown for the première of her new movie, Gilda. The ballerina, Margot Fonteyn, bought a suit. Dior put Paris back on the fashion map. The US couture clients came back in force for the autumn 1947 collections and Dior was invited to stage a private presentation of that season’s show for the British royal family in London, although King George V forbade the young princesses, Elizabeth and Margaret, from wearing the New Look lest it set a bad example at a time when rationing was still in force for the general public.>>
is from << http://www.designmuseum.org/design/christian-dior>> There's plagiarism in this article. 67.11.171.225 01:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Much of the remainder of the article is directly lifted from << http://www.fashion-forum.org/fashion-designers/christian-dior.html>>
About Toledano's saying about some sister being sent to Buchenwald, if you read the NY Times' article carefuly you'll see Toledano is talking about his own sister, not Christian Dior's. 2.80.12.1 ( talk) 21:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: Rita Haywort, Olivia de Havilland, Elizabeth Taylor, Evita Peron, the Duchess of Windsor, Barbara Hutton, Pamela Churchill, Elie de Rothschild were the first on the list of many famous and powerful women who wear Christian Dior models. And how did it all begin? In the luxurious Parisian bar in Avenue Montaigne, the number 30 was crowded 12th February 1947. year. There were a lot of writers, actors, fashion businessman, critics, photographers and journalists of all newspapers. And then, shock! According to the Croatian daily Vecernji list, but the first model in a rich wrinkled skirt showed that almost a fashion war poverty is over. The author of the first biography of Dior France Pochna wrote: "The skirt, which moves in a circle of 20 feet, hat set up to cover one eye, arrogant attitude, an incarnation of femininity, seductive, sensual and elegant combination of scandalous, true Parisian allegory. Long skirts, narrow waist, full breasts ... Women in the audience in short skirts unconsciously began to withdraw their skirts the edges." Thus was born the New Look, perhaps the most important design concept 20th century. Thus the Christian Dior changed the history of world fashion. I would add: the legend lives in the 21st century! 93.137.58.201 ( talk) 20:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
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B-Class because it's fairly comprehensive (but needs references). High-importance within fashion due to success and name recognition. Daniel Case 03:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Although categorised as an LGBT artist from France, there’s no mention of Dior’s sexuality in the article. And while Jacques Benita is a re-direct to this page, there’s no mention of him either, even though he is pretty well documented as Dior’s last partner. I appreciate that Wikipedia’s not a gossip column, but the absence of any mention at all of his sexuality seems rather odd. KJP1 ( talk) 17:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
He was gay designer 77.219.0.112 ( talk) 12:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
He was survived by Jacques Benita, a North African singer three decades his junior, the last of a number of discreet male lovers.
I removed this sentence partly because it makes no sense and partly because of the three sources cited, the only one that is not beyond a paywall is the haute couture source, which does not support the material. It "makes no sense" because generally a "survived by" statement is reserved for people with whom the subject has either a blood relationship, e.g., grandchildren, or a legal relationship, e.g., a spouse or a partner. Also, the statement about "male lovers" needs to be fully supported, and I didn't see that either in the haute couture source.
KJP1 reverted my removal, and when I put it back, removed it again, stating that it was my burden to go to Talk rather than "edit-war". That's not true per
WP:BRD, but in the interest of maybe resolving this, here I am. KJP1, if you have access to the NYT or to the New Yorker sources, do they support the material as written? If so, could you provide some text from the articles demonstrating that? Thanks.--
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