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A note to editors. This article has a good change of being deleted, so please conduct any talk you might have on Talk:Chris_Benoit, otherwise you may find your discussion here is also deleted. Thank you JayKeaton 10:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I just stumbled upon this page. I was taken back by how good it is. Everybody who worked on this project did a great job putting it together, keeping everything neutral, and presenting all the facts. It even looks like you had to face some adversity from people trying to get it deleted. Kudos. Mujarimojo 23:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I have new news on this case so let me edit the page please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.58 ( talk) 21:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The first part seems redundant to the treatment in the Chris Benoit article, and should be treated in the one best place. However, I'm not sure where the Wikipedia Controversy would then be covered. Is the "Benoit family tragedy" a descriptive enough title anyway? On the other hand, if this is the main article, then the material in the Chris Benoit Double murder-suicide section should be scaled back. Busjack 20:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
deleted youtube video link from this comment page 71.41.176.98 ( talk) 22:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I think 'Chris Benoit family murder-suicide' would be a more appropriate title. Anchoress 22:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The vote to split on the Chris Benoit page was 4 votes to split and 8 votes to oppose the split. But this article was created against consensus anyway. The discussion for deletion on this article itself was quite a big mess with people voting to keep but cut back, or delete but only until all the planets align. And what is with the title of this page anyway? The Benoit Family Tragedy? How is a troubled marriage resulting in the murder of his own family a tragedy? This article name fails on two points, it does not describe accurately what the page is and it completely stinks of POV. And the Chris Benoit page; could no one bring themselves to delete the fan written history or that list cruft of his "moves" to make way for this information on his actual death? I seriously don't get how any of the text on Chris Benoit is more important than his own death. This article here defies belief!!! JayKeaton 11:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Don't compare it with the O.J. Simpson murder case article, that article deals with a case in the court of law, this article is about Chris slaying his family and then killing himself. You are just trying to stir the pot by saying these murders are comparable to a court case JayKeaton 08:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
As time goes on, a case seems less important and information seems less vital. There is no "Jeffrey Dahmer murders" or "Ted Bundy murders" or "John Wayne Gacey murders" because they happened a long time ago and thus there is no need for a week by week analysis. -- Scorpion 0422 15:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I FEEL THIS PAGE SHOULD BE HERE. HOWEVER, WHY IS EDITING THIS PAGE STILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC???? - ESPECIALLY AFTER THE WIKIPEDIA-BENOIT ARTICLE INCIDENT!!!!!! 72.38.234.177 06:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned numerous times before by others, this article needs to be renamed. Due to the no consensus, it looks like it'll stay around for a while so its worthwhile to discuss this now. The best I've heard so far is Chris Benoit murder-suicide. What does everyone else think is best? DrWarpMind 19:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I've gathered a load of sources together which I'm planning to insert into the article. If you wish, please insert them into the article too. All of the sources are from reliable websites. Thanks. Davnel03 18:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Date | Time (EST) | Title | URL | Website | Writer(s) |
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2007/06/25 | 17:35 | Wrestler in US 'murder-suicide' | [1] | BBC News | - |
2007/06/25 | - | Police: Benoit killed wife, son, left Bibles by their bodies | [2] | The Atlanta-Journal Constitution | Saeed Ahmed, Kathy Jefcoats, S.A. Reid |
2007/06/26 | 16:02 | Deaths Of WWE Champ Chris Benoit, Family Being Treated As Murder-Suicide | [3] | MTV | James Montgomery |
2007/06/26 | 18:08 | WWE® Shocked At Latest Developments In Benoit Tragedy, Concerned By Sensationalistic Reporting | [4] | WrestleMag.com - WWE Press Release | Phil Lowe |
2007/06/26 | 23:25 | Sources link Benoit to illegal steroid probe | [5] | SI.com | Luis Fernando Llosa, L. Jon Wertheim |
2007/06/26 | - | Talking to Kids About Chris Benoit | [6] | ABC News | Dan Childs |
2007/06/26 | - | Police Paint Grisly Picture of Benoit Home | [7] | ABC News | - |
2007/06/26 | - | Benoit may have believed family was 'better off in heaven': expert | [8] | Edmonton Sun | Eliza Barlow |
2007/06/26 | - | They died far too young... | [9] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/27 | 10:05 | Steroids discovered in probe of slayings, suicide | [10] | ESPN | Mike Fish |
2007/06/27 | 16:16 | Lex Luger Talks About Chris Benoit | [11] | Tampa Bay's 10 | Valerie Hoff |
2007/06/27 | 16:25 | WWE says speculation linking Benoit killings, steroids 'sensationalistic' | [12] | ESPN | - |
2007/06/27 | - | Deaths of wrestler, family treated as murder-suicide | [13] | Chicago Sun-Times | Greg Bluestein |
2007/06/27 | - | WWE event is rescheduled locally for July 16 | [14] | Corpus Christi Caller-Times | David Kassabian |
2007/06/27 | - | 'Crippler' kills his wife and son | [15] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/27 | - | Timeline and text messages | [16] | The Sun Online - Copy of WWE.com | - |
2007/06/27 | - | Vince McMahon WWE statement | [17] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/27 | - | Benoit gave son growth drug | [18] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/28 | 09:51 | WWE's McMahon: Don't assume it was steroids | [19] | New York Daily News | Greg Bluestein |
2007/06/28 | 13:37 | Drug agents, sheriff raid Benoit's physician | [20] | New York Daily News | Harry R. Weber |
2007/06/28 | - | Pro wrestling has more problems than steroids | [21] | ESPN | Jemele Hill |
2007/06/28 | 16:31 | Benoit's Doc Has History of Shady Practices | [22] | TMZ.com | - |
2007/06/28 | - | Ex-wrestler boils about WWE pressure-cooker | [23] | OrlandoSentinel.com | Scott Maxwell |
2007/06/28 | - | Disabled son may be motive | [24] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/28 | - | Benoit friend: Steroids kill | [25] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/28 | - | Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home | [26] | FOXNews.com | Blane Bachelor |
2007/06/28 | - | DEA, sheriff's officials raid office of Benoit doctor | [27] | AccessNorthGa.com | Matt Apuzzo |
2007/06/28 | - | Wrestler to be buried in Canada, wife in Florida | [28] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Kevin Duffy |
2007/06/28 | - | User admits 'death' editing on Wikipedia 14 hours before bodies found | [29] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Charles Yoo, Saeed Ahmed |
2007/06/28 | - | Nancy Grace Show transcript | [30] | CNN.com | |
2007/06/29 | 16:07 | The tragic family secret Benoit kept from the world | [31] | New York Daily News | Angela Mosconi, Adam Nichols |
2007/06/29 | - | Benoit Wiki starts rumours | [32] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/29 | - | Benoit e-mails tell of friendship, spiritual guidance | [33] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Greg Oliver |
2007/06/29 | - | World Wrestling Entertainment – the Chris Benoit communications breakdown | [34] | SportsBusinessNews | Howard Bloom |
2007/06/30 | 09:57 | Head-trauma researchers want to study Benoit's brain | [35] | ESPN | Peter Keating, Shaun Assael |
2007/06/30 | - | First wife: I still love killer Chris | [36] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/01 | 20:25 | Scripted story lines don't reveal reasons for Benoit tragedy | [37] | ESPN | Elizabeth Merrill |
2007/07/01 | - | Wrestling can leave lives on the ropes | [38] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Bill Torpy |
2007/07/02 | 09:02 | Why Is McMahon "Eliminating" Chris Benoit? | [39] | CNBC.com | Darren Rovell |
2007/07/02 | 16:46 | Benoit's family shocked by murder-suicide, hoping tests provide closure | [40] | ESPN | Liz Merrill |
2007/07/02 | 21:41 | Benoit's personal doctor surrenders to feds in drug probe | [41] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/02 | - | Ted Dibiase On Chris Benoit, Vince McMahon, Steroids & The WWE | [(unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=22&num=89817] | PostChronicle | Ted Dibiase |
2007/07/02 | - | DEA Knew Of Benoit's Excessive Steroid Buys | [42] | TheSmokingGun | - |
2007/07/02 | - | Congress needs to get involved ... now | [43] | FOXSports.com | Mark Kriegel |
2007/07/02 | - | It's time for WWE to toughen stance against drugs | [44] | The Montgomery Advertiser | Bryon Robinson |
2007/07/02 | - | Benoit wrestle hold killed son | [45] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/02 | - | Benoit doctor prescribed 'drugs like candy' | [46] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Kevin Duffy |
2007/07/02 | - | Nancy Grace show transcript | [47] | CNN.com | - |
2007/07/02 | - | Lance Evers (aka. Storm) thoughts | [48] | StormWrestling.com | Lance Evers |
2007/07/03 | 09:52 | Neighbor who found Benoit family flees to Hub | [49] | Inside Track - BostonHerald.com | Gayle Fee, Laura Raposa |
2007/07/03 | 18:53 | Prosecutor disputes WWE's assertion that son had mental retardation | [50] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/03 | - | 'Doc prescribed drug like candy' | [51] | The Sun Online | - |
2007/07/03 | - | Hulk Hogan talks to US About the Killer Wrestler | [52] | US Magazine.com | - |
2007/07/03 | - | Control issues cited instead of 'roid rage' in Benoit killings | [53] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Kevin Duffy |
2007/07/04 | 14:50 | Benoit's mother says deaths were preventable | [54] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/05 | - | EXCLUSIVE: 104 wrestlers die in a decade | [55] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein + John Lister |
2007/07/05 | - | THE WORLD ACCORDING TO BRUNO | [56] | Philly Daily News | Michael Smerconish |
2007/07/07 | - | The seedy world behind roid rage | [57] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/08 | - | Roid to Hell | [58] | Daily Star UK | - |
2007/07/09 | - | Larry King transcript - John Cena etc. | [59] | CNN.com | - |
2007/07/10 | 12:54 | Wrestler: Don't Blame WWE for Benoit Killings | [60] | TMZ.com | - |
2007/07/12 | 16:23 | DEA agents raid doctor's office for third time | [61] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/12 | - | Wrestlers linked to drug doctor | [62] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/12 | - | Feds expand probe of Chris Benoit's doctor | [63] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Harry R. Weber |
2007/07/13 | - | Congress urged to probe steroid use in wrestling | [64] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | John Hollis |
2007/07/13 | - | Ted Dibiase On Dave Meltzer Claim, Chris Benoit, Steroids & The WWE | [(unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21291905.shtml] | The Post Chronicle | Ted Dibiase |
2007/07/13 | - | Nancy Grace transcript - Mero and Finlay argument edition | [65] | CNN.com | |
2007/07/14 | 15:25 | Wrestlers attend service for Benoit's wife, son | [66] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/14 | - | WWE Wellness Policy Official Document | [67] | WrestleMag.com - Copy obtained from World Wrestling Entertainment | Phil Lowe |
2007/07/14 | - | Keeping it real | [68] | American-Statesman | John Maher |
2007/07/15 | - | Angle: Tragedy shows need to step back, take a look | [69] | TheTandD.com | Brian Linder |
2007/07/15 | - | The Benoit Funeral | [70] | JRsBarBQ.com | Jim Ross |
It says at the end of the paragraph regarding the toxicology report that no steroids were found in his system and references this article: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/07/17/benoit_0717.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
However the headline to this article says "Steroids found in Benoits system". So which is it? JOK3R 19:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Testostrone is a natural steroid found in the body and the kind in Benoit's body was a natural hormone not a synthetic or man0made steroid. So they were natural not fake but they are still steroids. Why wasn't there any alcohol in his system since they found 10 empty beer cans by his side in the gym where the police found him? Why wasn't that in the toxicology reports? ( MgTurtle 19:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)).
How is GHB relevant in terms of Benoit's toxicology reports? Granted, it is (ab)used by some bodybuilders, but it's not a steroid nor does it produce anything like "roid rage". In fact, it produces a general sense of well-being, sedation, and mild euphoria as well as fosters empathy and, as a result, significantly inhibits a person from committing acts of violence. -- Stereoisomer 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It would seem that, leading up to the release of the toxicology test results, there was some speculation that Benoit had become addicted to GHB, known as a "date rape" drug. It is said to be used often by pro wrestlers as a sleep aid during recovery from injuries, notwithstanding that it's illegal. It did not appear in the tests, however, so it's been largely ignored since.
Kelly 170.37.244.10 12:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering if there has been any word on if or when the autopsy reports will be released-- JB {{flagicon|Canada}} 02:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
There are two more theories about what happend.
1st: The Kevin Sullivan Theorie
2nd: Chris Benoit recieved a call from Nancy about that "familary problem". Chris went home and found Nancy who murdered Daniel. In case of that, Benoits ran amok on Nancy and killed her. After cleaning his mind, he murdered himself. -- 213.214.18.64 12:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
The police and the media firmly believe that it was murder, well double murder, so nothing else really matters. Aliens could have actually done it in truth, but the fact is he murdered them as far as the world is concerned. There are people that actually believe aliens killed Elvis, but again it doesn't matter what they think, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. JayKeaton 23:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Could there also still be someone murdered his family while he was at the doctor's, which is a while away, then come home to see his family dead. The reason why he was so distraught when neighbors saw him was because he came home to this, then killed himself, because of it. 18:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
All we know is that something is messed up, and there was a murder. We just don't have any solid proof that Benoit did it. We just know someone did it. There were things missing from the home that were valuble to Benoit (i.e. letters to Eddie Guerrero). Also, if everyone thinks Benoit was on drugs, why didn't he destroy that evidence to protect the industry. Also, when Benoit was at the doctors, he was completely normal to everyone with no signs of stress. The picture taken of him looks like he's happy.
--I agree, but for the purposes of wikipedia, people aren't going to be searching for "Chris Benoit Murder Conspiracy." I think there should be a brief mention -maybe a paragraph then link for more "information" or what have you about the theories.-- Ken 3/1/08
As it has been released that "the co-worker" WWE always referred to was indeed Chavo Guerrero, why isn't it reflected, especially in the 'Between murders' section? -- Shatterzer0 20:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay...why does the article include an image of Chris Benoit's house? I fail to see what this is intended to illustrate. Calgary 20:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
That is where the murders and suicide happened. Tywddle 21:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Nancy and Daniel had their funeral on July 14, but does anyone know about Chris's? D4S 01:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
They were all cremated in georgia and Nacncy's and Daniel's ashes were given to family and friends according to FindAGrave.com.Chris's were probably given to his parents.( MgTurtle 21:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)).
The title implicitly makes the unattributed statement that Chris Benoit committed a murder-suicide - which while likely, isn't proven or even backed up by a criminal conviction carrying a burden of proof. Maybe something like Benoit family murders or Benoit family deaths would be more appropriate, with the investigators' beliefs stated in the article with appropriate attribution. Dcoetzee 23:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at www.espn.com they have the full letter sent to the WWE by the same congressional panel that probed Major League Baseball over steroids as well, this is in direct correlation with the Chris Benoit murder-suicide case. -- Shatterzer0 04:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
It was debated a few weeks back whether or not Daniel actually suffered from Fragile X Syndrome, and DA Scott Ballard released a statement about it saying, quote..
"Daniel's family denies that he suffered from either condition. As a result of the family's concerns, the Fayette County Sheriff's investigators and the District Attorney's Office have inquired into this matter. A source having access to certain of Daniel's medical reports reviewed those reports, and they do not mention any pre-existing mental or physical impairment. Reports from Daniel's educators likewise contradict the claims that Daniel was physically undersized. The educators report that Daniel graduated kindergarten and was prepared to enter the first grade on par with the other students."
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2925280 there's an article about it. Th 2005
I went ahead and edited the article accordingly. Any objections? Th 2005
The section on the article saying that Kevin Sullivan may have done it, and thus it was a triple homicide, needs sources ASAP.-- Bedford 05:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Alright, here's the first thing I notice. The lead section should be a stand-alone summary of the article. It should introduce no new information. This means that everything in the lead should be expanded upon in the article.
Therefore, the first sentences in the body, "On Friday, June 22, Benoit killed his wife, leaving her bound at the ankles and wrists and covered with a sheet in a room in their home. A bible was left by her body and she died of asphyxiation," needs improved prose and the information expanded. As it reads now, "she died of asphyxiation" seems more like a secondary thought when it should read as the primary. The first section should start with the finding of the bodies. It should explain who he is (WWE wrestler) and that evidence shows that events occurred as they are detailed currently.
The information regarding the divorce may be more appropriately placed in the "Possible motives" section with the addition of the information found in ref 13 which states "There is some belief within the police department that Benoit killed his wife after she said she was permanently leaving the marriage and taking son Daniel with her."
Consider splitting the first sentence into two sentences. The first stating Benoit sent the text message. The second sentence stating what the text message said. Also, "According to the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) website, the co-worker called Benoit back and Benoit sounded tired and groggy as he confirmed everything he had said in his voice message." WWE is cited but there is no reference. A link to the page on the WWE site should be included at the end of the sentence, formatted accordingly. If the website quotes Guerrero, include the quote [[rather than the current wording. There should also be citation after each quote.
Again, the death by asphyxiation should be the primary thought with details of how the body was left as secondary. Also, indicate that evidence showed this. "The time at when this happened is not yet known," should be reworded to "At what time this happened is not yet known." The sentence, "Daniel had needle marks in his arm, suggesting that he had been given growth hormones because Benoit and his family considered him undersized," is not necessarily accurate. It should state that it is the opinion of the DA. The rest of the sentence, "which was theorized to be most likely the result of him suffering from Fragile X Syndrome" is not mentioned in the reference cited. The next reference use should be cited here. However, even that reference states that it is not certain whether or not the family felt the boy was undersized. This needs to be worded to show that.
Chavo Guerrero does not need to be wikified again here. The details of the messages cites ref 9 as the source, but it makes no mention of text messages. This needs to be corrected to cite ref 10. Additionally, this reference claims all but message two are identical, including the use of the word "physical", that they were all sent from his wifes phone, and there is no mention of WWE officials receiving details of these messages two hours before the bodies were found.
See references section below regarding issue with ref 5 cited here.
"WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt appeared on MSNBC Live with Dan Abrams on July 17, 2007 said that Benoit was prescribed..." needs to be reworded. There is a word missing between the date and "said". It could also be split into two sentences.
If you get the ISBN for the book "Head Games: Football's Concussion Crisis", you can link it to Special:Booksources. The claim made in this sentence needs to be sourced. Also, see references section below regarding reference 12 cited here.
"His extensive brain damage, which "resembled that of an 85 year-old Alzheimer's patient" is believed to be the leading cause of the murders." Says who? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.218.9.138 ( talk) 19:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
"This behavior is consistent with Late-Onset Schizophrenia" - Who is making this claim?
The quote needs to be cited to the page on WWE's website. The second half of the paragraph is also in need of citation.
It says who commented, but there are no comments. Expand this.
Was it first thought that the family had been slain? What was the buzz? This doesn't really detail the "response".
The quote here should be in the same format as the quote in previous sections. The first half of the second paragraph needs citation.
Who is Dr. Kris Sperry? Include that he is "the state’s top medical examiner". The reference states that Daniel had four times the regular dose of Xanax in his system. The current, vague speculation in the article should be updated with this information. "...nor was there evidence of GHB, contrary to speculation." - The reference does not mention GHB.
This section should be rewritten to correct the numerous misspellings and ludicrous capitalization errors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.22.11 ( talk) 11:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
The link to the diff needs to be included after the first sentence here. Links to the Wikinews and FOXNews.com should also be included as references. The quote must be referenced immediately after. Remove the redlink of hindrance.
References need to be consistently formatted. Proper arrangement is: Last name, First name (date of publication). Title (linked to URL). Work, page(s). Retrieval date.
References that are used twice, such as 25 and 29, need to be named, which has been done for many of the refs.
Because the issues with the article are numerous, the article will not be listed as a GA at this time. However, once issues are addressed and the article is brought up to the standards listed at WP:WIAGA, the article may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel this decision was made in error, you make seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Regards, Lara ♥Love 06:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if they have looked futher into the wikipedia controversy? ShadowWriter 02:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Nothing came about from it, and it was obvious the kid was just posting crap. MDowdal 02:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Would the editor please put the link in the article about this directly with the comments made? If not, maybe it should be deleted? -- CrohnieGal Talk 22:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Thinking out load,should there be a References in Popular culture section. johnnycash316 ( talk · contribs)
with a issue/page like this, i dont think this kind of artical needs a popular culture section Rgflame 01:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
heya,
at present, the section on Chris reads as follows:
The perpetrator, Chris Benoit, according to Scott Ballard, died of suicide by hanging.[4] When Benoit released the weights - about 240 pounds (110 kg), which weighed more than he did - it caused his strangulation. Ballard said the pull-down bar had been removed and Benoit's remains were found seated against the machine.[5]
There seems to be missing content between the first sentence and the rest of the section - it mentions hanging then immediately goes into the use of weights without explaining exactly what happened. I'm confused. -- Black Butterfly 12:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone with more medical knowledge than I would know this better, but wouldn't testosterone cypionate, the injectable steroid he was using, be considered artificial?
Also, I think it might be a good idea to quote some of the experts who spoke in the media refuting what Dr. Kris Sperry said about the 59:1 T/E ratio being normal for someone undergoing TRT. Anyone agree? -- David Bixenspan 17:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Ballard said the pull-down bar had been removed and Benoit's remains were found seated against the machine
"Remains" implies that some parts did not remain and/or that there was some "piecing" involved. If this is not the case, may I suggest "body" as a replacement word for "remains"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.243.195.136 ( talk) 09:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I've been away from the Chris Benoit Wiki articles for a while, so have only just read this page for the first time. Having done so, I'm wondering how necessary it is, in the sense that a hefty chunk of it is EXACTLY duplicated in the 'Death' section of the main Chris Benoit article. Since there's already been a discussion on deletion of this article that fell through, should we now discuss severely reducing the section in the other article? I tend to agree that this event is notable enough for it's own article, but to me that means it should be given less space in the main page - one summarising paragraph and a link to this more detailed version should suffice. Fatjabba 13:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
When the last one falls, and when it is all said and done,it has been 5 mounths,do we know wat happend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.24.105 ( talk) 23:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Under the provisions of the policy WP:BLP I have removed the names of the three alleged perpetrators of the Nancy Benoit death notice incident. The reasons for doing so are as follows: the news source given has been partially edited to remove the names, and a statement indicating that police had yet to identify the user (note the singular) had been added. Similarly, an ABC News report linked to by the article no longer names anyone either. There is no reference to criminal charges being laid or court-of-law conviction. Unless a reputable news source (i.e. not a blog, but something like CNN) can be cited as the source for naming these three individuals, then having their names without citation could be seen as libel. 23skidoo ( talk) 13:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
In the sources provided I can't find support for any of the sentences listed below:
the WWE's website removed all past mentions (including all news articles relating to the killings as well as the video tribute comments from Benoit's peers) of Benoit.
Their merchandising subsite wweshop.com would follow suit in regards to all Benoit-related merchandise.
However, Benoit merchandise, including action figures, is still available at retail stores.
Last two link to wikipedia articles for reference, but the fact isn't mentioned there.
WWE also has decided to edit out all matches that contained Benoit from rebroadcasts of matches from their extensive video library. (See WWE video library) Since the incident, no matches involving Benoit have shown up on any new DVD re-releases by the WWE.
He was also removed from the WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 video game after originally being included as a playable wrestler.
-- M4gnum0n ( talk) 15:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says: "On Monday, June 25, WWE was notified of the text messages sent to Chavo Guerrero and Scott Armstrong"... But who send the messages? Please specify. 80.230.250.40 ( talk) 20:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
This article does not appear to have broad enough appeal to be included in Version 0.7, which includes only the top 1% or so of articls. Walkerma ( talk) 05:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for Version 0.7 of the offline Wikipedia release but did not meet the standards for importance. It has been put on Wikipedia:Release_Version_Nominations/Held_nominations for further review. Please see that page for details.
Edited/split this line in Responses/WWF Section as it's poorly written.
Original Line
"Although on other products such as wrestling figures on the back of the packaging figures of Benoit are advertised although WWE have started putting stickers over these."
Edited Line
"On other products such as wrestling figures, Benoit figures are advertised on the back of the packaging. WWE have started putting stickers over these."
Hope this change meets with approval. --
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It says over a period of three days, the only way I can figure him killing someone over three days involves torture. The entire intro is messed up, both grammatically and factually. 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 05:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chris_Benoit&action=historysubmit&diff=140442953&oldid=140425583
The current section is too long and filled with unnecessary "information". I guess a few editors think they own the article, but I'm simply trying to make it look more like an article in an encyclopedia. The Cleanup Kid ( talk) 04:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
"The next night, after the details of the deaths became concrete, the company aired a recorded statement by its Chairman Vince McMahon before their ECW broadcast:"
Nothing about the details is truly concrete. Concrete is a weasel word in saying that this is how it's it and nothing you can do otherwise can change that. Something along those lines. A better sentence is: "The next night, after the some details of the deaths became available, the company aired a recorded statement by its Chairman Vince McMahon before their ECW broadcast:" I made a small tweak in it. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 17:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Why does the article need to specify a timezone in the infobox when it's for a three-day span? It's hardly a precision matter, then, is it? Similarly, why does the article body specify EDT so frequently? (It's on about six timings given, out of a total of around nine.) It's very hard to see why this matters so much - the whole thing took place in Fayetteville, GA so it's not like there's room for much confusion across time zones. If it's important then maybe one appearance per "block" of time-related stuff might not be so bad, but the current number of appearances seems excessive. I might consider just editing it myself but I'd be interested to know what others think. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 15:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
This section contains names of wrestlers associated with the SI article that covers the Arizona doctor, David Wilbirt, and other aspects of steroids in professional wrestling and other sports. In this section, Paul Levesque (Triple H) is mentioned in addition to Adam Copeland (Edge) as wrestlers who appeared on the list and were said to receive large quantities of HGH/anabolic steroids. However, when reading the article posted as a citation for that claim, there is absolutely no mention of Paul Levesque/Triple H. Randy Orton, on the other hand, is mentioned in the SI article, but is not mentioned in the wiki. Mentioning Levesque in connection with the SI article, and posting the citation, is quite misleading.
Unless a citation can be linked that states that Levesque was mentioned in the documents perused for the SI article, I think that his name should be removed from this section of the entry.
Miaaingeal ( talk) 22:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
the article history on the English Wikipedia of Chris Benoit was edited or something because if you go to the June 25, 2007 history page, there is no edit made at 12:01 AM. Why is this so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.133.115 ( talk) 14:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I remember it did seem like he vanished a while back, but as of today, there's a shitload of stuff about him there. Not just his name, either. Stuff like this and this. Do a site search with Google for the rest, I can't link them all.
So, should the bit about the censorship be deleted or rewritten into past tense? And, if rewritten, does anyone know when it stopped being "too soon" and the rules changed? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:20, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus, though a specific RM for Benoit family murder-suicide might yield consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 18:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Chris Benoit double-murder and suicide → Benoit family murders – Nice and concise, but still precise. Consistent with other articles which don't mention aftermath in the title. See above talk section for more detail and context. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC) 04:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
On the "Nancy Benoit" section, there is a sentence stating that, "On Friday, June 22, Chris Benoit killed his wife Nancy in an upstairs office." It was originally, "Chris benoit killed his wife Nancy in an upstairs family room.", but a few years ago, I changed "famly room" to "office", because I think I saw a video on YouTube which may have indicated that Chris murdered Nancy in or near an office rather than a family room. Can't remember exactly which video it is, though. Jim856796 ( talk) 05:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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With the hyphen, double-murder suggests that Chris Benoit hanged his double to cover his own tracks, but I don't see any mention of that scenario in the article. — Tamfang ( talk) 20:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
The article states the following contradiction (in bold print).
So, it starts by giving the date that the wife was murdered; it ends by stating that police can't determine when she was murdered. I know nothing about this case, so I cannot edit it. Perhaps another editor can do so? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 22:18, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Any idea where this idea of inability to determine ToD came from? Ranze ( talk) 05:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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Since some people consider suicide to be a form of murder (self-murder) couldn't we just call this the 'Chris Benoit triple-murder' ? That way it would be shorter. Although I think it is a bit presumptuous still, looking above at #Requested move for "benoit family murders", wouldn't " Benoit family deaths" be the most neutral title we could pick? It would be more accepting of the whole 'Daniel was an accident' theory some are open to. Ranze ( talk) 05:18, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "Possible motives" section include actual theories from the investigation and not just personal opinions from people who knew Benoit? Everyone has their own theory about the cause so what relevancy does Holly's personal one hold? It's also unsourced so I'm tempted to just remove it. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone think that we should report that police speculated that Daniel died not only by Chris' arms, but it was a variation of the Crippler Crossface that Chris used to kill his son? Even the book "Ring of Hell" by Matthew Randazzo V supports this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.28.242 ( talk) 13:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I was going to remove the following- "But in 2015 WWE brought back it's coarse language and everything the fans loved but are still very careful with how many head injuries they let their wrestlers get. It is speculated by the fans when Shane gets in control of WWE he will change the rating back to TV-14 but has said that he and the whole McMahon family are always going to be careful with how many head injuries wrestlers will endure and that chair shots to the head are the only thing that have been banned. " When I went to edit this out, someone had did so already. Just wanted to say I agree. Funny coincidence that I was going to remove that and as soon as I clicked edit, I could no longer find it. Someone beat me to it within seconds. 2601:483:100:CB54:1C1B:B640:914B:B56 ( talk) 23:07, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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A note to editors. This article has a good change of being deleted, so please conduct any talk you might have on Talk:Chris_Benoit, otherwise you may find your discussion here is also deleted. Thank you JayKeaton 10:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I just stumbled upon this page. I was taken back by how good it is. Everybody who worked on this project did a great job putting it together, keeping everything neutral, and presenting all the facts. It even looks like you had to face some adversity from people trying to get it deleted. Kudos. Mujarimojo 23:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I have new news on this case so let me edit the page please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.58 ( talk) 21:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The first part seems redundant to the treatment in the Chris Benoit article, and should be treated in the one best place. However, I'm not sure where the Wikipedia Controversy would then be covered. Is the "Benoit family tragedy" a descriptive enough title anyway? On the other hand, if this is the main article, then the material in the Chris Benoit Double murder-suicide section should be scaled back. Busjack 20:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
deleted youtube video link from this comment page 71.41.176.98 ( talk) 22:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I think 'Chris Benoit family murder-suicide' would be a more appropriate title. Anchoress 22:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The vote to split on the Chris Benoit page was 4 votes to split and 8 votes to oppose the split. But this article was created against consensus anyway. The discussion for deletion on this article itself was quite a big mess with people voting to keep but cut back, or delete but only until all the planets align. And what is with the title of this page anyway? The Benoit Family Tragedy? How is a troubled marriage resulting in the murder of his own family a tragedy? This article name fails on two points, it does not describe accurately what the page is and it completely stinks of POV. And the Chris Benoit page; could no one bring themselves to delete the fan written history or that list cruft of his "moves" to make way for this information on his actual death? I seriously don't get how any of the text on Chris Benoit is more important than his own death. This article here defies belief!!! JayKeaton 11:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Don't compare it with the O.J. Simpson murder case article, that article deals with a case in the court of law, this article is about Chris slaying his family and then killing himself. You are just trying to stir the pot by saying these murders are comparable to a court case JayKeaton 08:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
As time goes on, a case seems less important and information seems less vital. There is no "Jeffrey Dahmer murders" or "Ted Bundy murders" or "John Wayne Gacey murders" because they happened a long time ago and thus there is no need for a week by week analysis. -- Scorpion 0422 15:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I FEEL THIS PAGE SHOULD BE HERE. HOWEVER, WHY IS EDITING THIS PAGE STILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC???? - ESPECIALLY AFTER THE WIKIPEDIA-BENOIT ARTICLE INCIDENT!!!!!! 72.38.234.177 06:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned numerous times before by others, this article needs to be renamed. Due to the no consensus, it looks like it'll stay around for a while so its worthwhile to discuss this now. The best I've heard so far is Chris Benoit murder-suicide. What does everyone else think is best? DrWarpMind 19:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I've gathered a load of sources together which I'm planning to insert into the article. If you wish, please insert them into the article too. All of the sources are from reliable websites. Thanks. Davnel03 18:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Date | Time (EST) | Title | URL | Website | Writer(s) |
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2007/06/25 | 17:35 | Wrestler in US 'murder-suicide' | [1] | BBC News | - |
2007/06/25 | - | Police: Benoit killed wife, son, left Bibles by their bodies | [2] | The Atlanta-Journal Constitution | Saeed Ahmed, Kathy Jefcoats, S.A. Reid |
2007/06/26 | 16:02 | Deaths Of WWE Champ Chris Benoit, Family Being Treated As Murder-Suicide | [3] | MTV | James Montgomery |
2007/06/26 | 18:08 | WWE® Shocked At Latest Developments In Benoit Tragedy, Concerned By Sensationalistic Reporting | [4] | WrestleMag.com - WWE Press Release | Phil Lowe |
2007/06/26 | 23:25 | Sources link Benoit to illegal steroid probe | [5] | SI.com | Luis Fernando Llosa, L. Jon Wertheim |
2007/06/26 | - | Talking to Kids About Chris Benoit | [6] | ABC News | Dan Childs |
2007/06/26 | - | Police Paint Grisly Picture of Benoit Home | [7] | ABC News | - |
2007/06/26 | - | Benoit may have believed family was 'better off in heaven': expert | [8] | Edmonton Sun | Eliza Barlow |
2007/06/26 | - | They died far too young... | [9] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/27 | 10:05 | Steroids discovered in probe of slayings, suicide | [10] | ESPN | Mike Fish |
2007/06/27 | 16:16 | Lex Luger Talks About Chris Benoit | [11] | Tampa Bay's 10 | Valerie Hoff |
2007/06/27 | 16:25 | WWE says speculation linking Benoit killings, steroids 'sensationalistic' | [12] | ESPN | - |
2007/06/27 | - | Deaths of wrestler, family treated as murder-suicide | [13] | Chicago Sun-Times | Greg Bluestein |
2007/06/27 | - | WWE event is rescheduled locally for July 16 | [14] | Corpus Christi Caller-Times | David Kassabian |
2007/06/27 | - | 'Crippler' kills his wife and son | [15] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/27 | - | Timeline and text messages | [16] | The Sun Online - Copy of WWE.com | - |
2007/06/27 | - | Vince McMahon WWE statement | [17] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/27 | - | Benoit gave son growth drug | [18] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/28 | 09:51 | WWE's McMahon: Don't assume it was steroids | [19] | New York Daily News | Greg Bluestein |
2007/06/28 | 13:37 | Drug agents, sheriff raid Benoit's physician | [20] | New York Daily News | Harry R. Weber |
2007/06/28 | - | Pro wrestling has more problems than steroids | [21] | ESPN | Jemele Hill |
2007/06/28 | 16:31 | Benoit's Doc Has History of Shady Practices | [22] | TMZ.com | - |
2007/06/28 | - | Ex-wrestler boils about WWE pressure-cooker | [23] | OrlandoSentinel.com | Scott Maxwell |
2007/06/28 | - | Disabled son may be motive | [24] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/28 | - | Benoit friend: Steroids kill | [25] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/28 | - | Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home | [26] | FOXNews.com | Blane Bachelor |
2007/06/28 | - | DEA, sheriff's officials raid office of Benoit doctor | [27] | AccessNorthGa.com | Matt Apuzzo |
2007/06/28 | - | Wrestler to be buried in Canada, wife in Florida | [28] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Kevin Duffy |
2007/06/28 | - | User admits 'death' editing on Wikipedia 14 hours before bodies found | [29] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Charles Yoo, Saeed Ahmed |
2007/06/28 | - | Nancy Grace Show transcript | [30] | CNN.com | |
2007/06/29 | 16:07 | The tragic family secret Benoit kept from the world | [31] | New York Daily News | Angela Mosconi, Adam Nichols |
2007/06/29 | - | Benoit Wiki starts rumours | [32] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/06/29 | - | Benoit e-mails tell of friendship, spiritual guidance | [33] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Greg Oliver |
2007/06/29 | - | World Wrestling Entertainment – the Chris Benoit communications breakdown | [34] | SportsBusinessNews | Howard Bloom |
2007/06/30 | 09:57 | Head-trauma researchers want to study Benoit's brain | [35] | ESPN | Peter Keating, Shaun Assael |
2007/06/30 | - | First wife: I still love killer Chris | [36] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/01 | 20:25 | Scripted story lines don't reveal reasons for Benoit tragedy | [37] | ESPN | Elizabeth Merrill |
2007/07/01 | - | Wrestling can leave lives on the ropes | [38] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Bill Torpy |
2007/07/02 | 09:02 | Why Is McMahon "Eliminating" Chris Benoit? | [39] | CNBC.com | Darren Rovell |
2007/07/02 | 16:46 | Benoit's family shocked by murder-suicide, hoping tests provide closure | [40] | ESPN | Liz Merrill |
2007/07/02 | 21:41 | Benoit's personal doctor surrenders to feds in drug probe | [41] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/02 | - | Ted Dibiase On Chris Benoit, Vince McMahon, Steroids & The WWE | [(unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=22&num=89817] | PostChronicle | Ted Dibiase |
2007/07/02 | - | DEA Knew Of Benoit's Excessive Steroid Buys | [42] | TheSmokingGun | - |
2007/07/02 | - | Congress needs to get involved ... now | [43] | FOXSports.com | Mark Kriegel |
2007/07/02 | - | It's time for WWE to toughen stance against drugs | [44] | The Montgomery Advertiser | Bryon Robinson |
2007/07/02 | - | Benoit wrestle hold killed son | [45] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/02 | - | Benoit doctor prescribed 'drugs like candy' | [46] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Kevin Duffy |
2007/07/02 | - | Nancy Grace show transcript | [47] | CNN.com | - |
2007/07/02 | - | Lance Evers (aka. Storm) thoughts | [48] | StormWrestling.com | Lance Evers |
2007/07/03 | 09:52 | Neighbor who found Benoit family flees to Hub | [49] | Inside Track - BostonHerald.com | Gayle Fee, Laura Raposa |
2007/07/03 | 18:53 | Prosecutor disputes WWE's assertion that son had mental retardation | [50] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/03 | - | 'Doc prescribed drug like candy' | [51] | The Sun Online | - |
2007/07/03 | - | Hulk Hogan talks to US About the Killer Wrestler | [52] | US Magazine.com | - |
2007/07/03 | - | Control issues cited instead of 'roid rage' in Benoit killings | [53] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Kevin Duffy |
2007/07/04 | 14:50 | Benoit's mother says deaths were preventable | [54] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/05 | - | EXCLUSIVE: 104 wrestlers die in a decade | [55] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein + John Lister |
2007/07/05 | - | THE WORLD ACCORDING TO BRUNO | [56] | Philly Daily News | Michael Smerconish |
2007/07/07 | - | The seedy world behind roid rage | [57] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/08 | - | Roid to Hell | [58] | Daily Star UK | - |
2007/07/09 | - | Larry King transcript - John Cena etc. | [59] | CNN.com | - |
2007/07/10 | 12:54 | Wrestler: Don't Blame WWE for Benoit Killings | [60] | TMZ.com | - |
2007/07/12 | 16:23 | DEA agents raid doctor's office for third time | [61] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/12 | - | Wrestlers linked to drug doctor | [62] | The Sun Online | Simon Rothstein |
2007/07/12 | - | Feds expand probe of Chris Benoit's doctor | [63] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | Harry R. Weber |
2007/07/13 | - | Congress urged to probe steroid use in wrestling | [64] | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | John Hollis |
2007/07/13 | - | Ted Dibiase On Dave Meltzer Claim, Chris Benoit, Steroids & The WWE | [(unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21291905.shtml] | The Post Chronicle | Ted Dibiase |
2007/07/13 | - | Nancy Grace transcript - Mero and Finlay argument edition | [65] | CNN.com | |
2007/07/14 | 15:25 | Wrestlers attend service for Benoit's wife, son | [66] | ESPN | - |
2007/07/14 | - | WWE Wellness Policy Official Document | [67] | WrestleMag.com - Copy obtained from World Wrestling Entertainment | Phil Lowe |
2007/07/14 | - | Keeping it real | [68] | American-Statesman | John Maher |
2007/07/15 | - | Angle: Tragedy shows need to step back, take a look | [69] | TheTandD.com | Brian Linder |
2007/07/15 | - | The Benoit Funeral | [70] | JRsBarBQ.com | Jim Ross |
It says at the end of the paragraph regarding the toxicology report that no steroids were found in his system and references this article: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/07/17/benoit_0717.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
However the headline to this article says "Steroids found in Benoits system". So which is it? JOK3R 19:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Testostrone is a natural steroid found in the body and the kind in Benoit's body was a natural hormone not a synthetic or man0made steroid. So they were natural not fake but they are still steroids. Why wasn't there any alcohol in his system since they found 10 empty beer cans by his side in the gym where the police found him? Why wasn't that in the toxicology reports? ( MgTurtle 19:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)).
How is GHB relevant in terms of Benoit's toxicology reports? Granted, it is (ab)used by some bodybuilders, but it's not a steroid nor does it produce anything like "roid rage". In fact, it produces a general sense of well-being, sedation, and mild euphoria as well as fosters empathy and, as a result, significantly inhibits a person from committing acts of violence. -- Stereoisomer 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It would seem that, leading up to the release of the toxicology test results, there was some speculation that Benoit had become addicted to GHB, known as a "date rape" drug. It is said to be used often by pro wrestlers as a sleep aid during recovery from injuries, notwithstanding that it's illegal. It did not appear in the tests, however, so it's been largely ignored since.
Kelly 170.37.244.10 12:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering if there has been any word on if or when the autopsy reports will be released-- JB {{flagicon|Canada}} 02:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
There are two more theories about what happend.
1st: The Kevin Sullivan Theorie
2nd: Chris Benoit recieved a call from Nancy about that "familary problem". Chris went home and found Nancy who murdered Daniel. In case of that, Benoits ran amok on Nancy and killed her. After cleaning his mind, he murdered himself. -- 213.214.18.64 12:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
The police and the media firmly believe that it was murder, well double murder, so nothing else really matters. Aliens could have actually done it in truth, but the fact is he murdered them as far as the world is concerned. There are people that actually believe aliens killed Elvis, but again it doesn't matter what they think, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. JayKeaton 23:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Could there also still be someone murdered his family while he was at the doctor's, which is a while away, then come home to see his family dead. The reason why he was so distraught when neighbors saw him was because he came home to this, then killed himself, because of it. 18:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
All we know is that something is messed up, and there was a murder. We just don't have any solid proof that Benoit did it. We just know someone did it. There were things missing from the home that were valuble to Benoit (i.e. letters to Eddie Guerrero). Also, if everyone thinks Benoit was on drugs, why didn't he destroy that evidence to protect the industry. Also, when Benoit was at the doctors, he was completely normal to everyone with no signs of stress. The picture taken of him looks like he's happy.
--I agree, but for the purposes of wikipedia, people aren't going to be searching for "Chris Benoit Murder Conspiracy." I think there should be a brief mention -maybe a paragraph then link for more "information" or what have you about the theories.-- Ken 3/1/08
As it has been released that "the co-worker" WWE always referred to was indeed Chavo Guerrero, why isn't it reflected, especially in the 'Between murders' section? -- Shatterzer0 20:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay...why does the article include an image of Chris Benoit's house? I fail to see what this is intended to illustrate. Calgary 20:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
That is where the murders and suicide happened. Tywddle 21:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Nancy and Daniel had their funeral on July 14, but does anyone know about Chris's? D4S 01:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
They were all cremated in georgia and Nacncy's and Daniel's ashes were given to family and friends according to FindAGrave.com.Chris's were probably given to his parents.( MgTurtle 21:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)).
The title implicitly makes the unattributed statement that Chris Benoit committed a murder-suicide - which while likely, isn't proven or even backed up by a criminal conviction carrying a burden of proof. Maybe something like Benoit family murders or Benoit family deaths would be more appropriate, with the investigators' beliefs stated in the article with appropriate attribution. Dcoetzee 23:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at www.espn.com they have the full letter sent to the WWE by the same congressional panel that probed Major League Baseball over steroids as well, this is in direct correlation with the Chris Benoit murder-suicide case. -- Shatterzer0 04:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
It was debated a few weeks back whether or not Daniel actually suffered from Fragile X Syndrome, and DA Scott Ballard released a statement about it saying, quote..
"Daniel's family denies that he suffered from either condition. As a result of the family's concerns, the Fayette County Sheriff's investigators and the District Attorney's Office have inquired into this matter. A source having access to certain of Daniel's medical reports reviewed those reports, and they do not mention any pre-existing mental or physical impairment. Reports from Daniel's educators likewise contradict the claims that Daniel was physically undersized. The educators report that Daniel graduated kindergarten and was prepared to enter the first grade on par with the other students."
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2925280 there's an article about it. Th 2005
I went ahead and edited the article accordingly. Any objections? Th 2005
The section on the article saying that Kevin Sullivan may have done it, and thus it was a triple homicide, needs sources ASAP.-- Bedford 05:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Alright, here's the first thing I notice. The lead section should be a stand-alone summary of the article. It should introduce no new information. This means that everything in the lead should be expanded upon in the article.
Therefore, the first sentences in the body, "On Friday, June 22, Benoit killed his wife, leaving her bound at the ankles and wrists and covered with a sheet in a room in their home. A bible was left by her body and she died of asphyxiation," needs improved prose and the information expanded. As it reads now, "she died of asphyxiation" seems more like a secondary thought when it should read as the primary. The first section should start with the finding of the bodies. It should explain who he is (WWE wrestler) and that evidence shows that events occurred as they are detailed currently.
The information regarding the divorce may be more appropriately placed in the "Possible motives" section with the addition of the information found in ref 13 which states "There is some belief within the police department that Benoit killed his wife after she said she was permanently leaving the marriage and taking son Daniel with her."
Consider splitting the first sentence into two sentences. The first stating Benoit sent the text message. The second sentence stating what the text message said. Also, "According to the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) website, the co-worker called Benoit back and Benoit sounded tired and groggy as he confirmed everything he had said in his voice message." WWE is cited but there is no reference. A link to the page on the WWE site should be included at the end of the sentence, formatted accordingly. If the website quotes Guerrero, include the quote [[rather than the current wording. There should also be citation after each quote.
Again, the death by asphyxiation should be the primary thought with details of how the body was left as secondary. Also, indicate that evidence showed this. "The time at when this happened is not yet known," should be reworded to "At what time this happened is not yet known." The sentence, "Daniel had needle marks in his arm, suggesting that he had been given growth hormones because Benoit and his family considered him undersized," is not necessarily accurate. It should state that it is the opinion of the DA. The rest of the sentence, "which was theorized to be most likely the result of him suffering from Fragile X Syndrome" is not mentioned in the reference cited. The next reference use should be cited here. However, even that reference states that it is not certain whether or not the family felt the boy was undersized. This needs to be worded to show that.
Chavo Guerrero does not need to be wikified again here. The details of the messages cites ref 9 as the source, but it makes no mention of text messages. This needs to be corrected to cite ref 10. Additionally, this reference claims all but message two are identical, including the use of the word "physical", that they were all sent from his wifes phone, and there is no mention of WWE officials receiving details of these messages two hours before the bodies were found.
See references section below regarding issue with ref 5 cited here.
"WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt appeared on MSNBC Live with Dan Abrams on July 17, 2007 said that Benoit was prescribed..." needs to be reworded. There is a word missing between the date and "said". It could also be split into two sentences.
If you get the ISBN for the book "Head Games: Football's Concussion Crisis", you can link it to Special:Booksources. The claim made in this sentence needs to be sourced. Also, see references section below regarding reference 12 cited here.
"His extensive brain damage, which "resembled that of an 85 year-old Alzheimer's patient" is believed to be the leading cause of the murders." Says who? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.218.9.138 ( talk) 19:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
"This behavior is consistent with Late-Onset Schizophrenia" - Who is making this claim?
The quote needs to be cited to the page on WWE's website. The second half of the paragraph is also in need of citation.
It says who commented, but there are no comments. Expand this.
Was it first thought that the family had been slain? What was the buzz? This doesn't really detail the "response".
The quote here should be in the same format as the quote in previous sections. The first half of the second paragraph needs citation.
Who is Dr. Kris Sperry? Include that he is "the state’s top medical examiner". The reference states that Daniel had four times the regular dose of Xanax in his system. The current, vague speculation in the article should be updated with this information. "...nor was there evidence of GHB, contrary to speculation." - The reference does not mention GHB.
This section should be rewritten to correct the numerous misspellings and ludicrous capitalization errors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.22.11 ( talk) 11:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
The link to the diff needs to be included after the first sentence here. Links to the Wikinews and FOXNews.com should also be included as references. The quote must be referenced immediately after. Remove the redlink of hindrance.
References need to be consistently formatted. Proper arrangement is: Last name, First name (date of publication). Title (linked to URL). Work, page(s). Retrieval date.
References that are used twice, such as 25 and 29, need to be named, which has been done for many of the refs.
Because the issues with the article are numerous, the article will not be listed as a GA at this time. However, once issues are addressed and the article is brought up to the standards listed at WP:WIAGA, the article may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel this decision was made in error, you make seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Regards, Lara ♥Love 06:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if they have looked futher into the wikipedia controversy? ShadowWriter 02:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Nothing came about from it, and it was obvious the kid was just posting crap. MDowdal 02:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Would the editor please put the link in the article about this directly with the comments made? If not, maybe it should be deleted? -- CrohnieGal Talk 22:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Thinking out load,should there be a References in Popular culture section. johnnycash316 ( talk · contribs)
with a issue/page like this, i dont think this kind of artical needs a popular culture section Rgflame 01:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
heya,
at present, the section on Chris reads as follows:
The perpetrator, Chris Benoit, according to Scott Ballard, died of suicide by hanging.[4] When Benoit released the weights - about 240 pounds (110 kg), which weighed more than he did - it caused his strangulation. Ballard said the pull-down bar had been removed and Benoit's remains were found seated against the machine.[5]
There seems to be missing content between the first sentence and the rest of the section - it mentions hanging then immediately goes into the use of weights without explaining exactly what happened. I'm confused. -- Black Butterfly 12:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone with more medical knowledge than I would know this better, but wouldn't testosterone cypionate, the injectable steroid he was using, be considered artificial?
Also, I think it might be a good idea to quote some of the experts who spoke in the media refuting what Dr. Kris Sperry said about the 59:1 T/E ratio being normal for someone undergoing TRT. Anyone agree? -- David Bixenspan 17:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Ballard said the pull-down bar had been removed and Benoit's remains were found seated against the machine
"Remains" implies that some parts did not remain and/or that there was some "piecing" involved. If this is not the case, may I suggest "body" as a replacement word for "remains"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.243.195.136 ( talk) 09:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I've been away from the Chris Benoit Wiki articles for a while, so have only just read this page for the first time. Having done so, I'm wondering how necessary it is, in the sense that a hefty chunk of it is EXACTLY duplicated in the 'Death' section of the main Chris Benoit article. Since there's already been a discussion on deletion of this article that fell through, should we now discuss severely reducing the section in the other article? I tend to agree that this event is notable enough for it's own article, but to me that means it should be given less space in the main page - one summarising paragraph and a link to this more detailed version should suffice. Fatjabba 13:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
When the last one falls, and when it is all said and done,it has been 5 mounths,do we know wat happend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.24.105 ( talk) 23:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Under the provisions of the policy WP:BLP I have removed the names of the three alleged perpetrators of the Nancy Benoit death notice incident. The reasons for doing so are as follows: the news source given has been partially edited to remove the names, and a statement indicating that police had yet to identify the user (note the singular) had been added. Similarly, an ABC News report linked to by the article no longer names anyone either. There is no reference to criminal charges being laid or court-of-law conviction. Unless a reputable news source (i.e. not a blog, but something like CNN) can be cited as the source for naming these three individuals, then having their names without citation could be seen as libel. 23skidoo ( talk) 13:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
In the sources provided I can't find support for any of the sentences listed below:
the WWE's website removed all past mentions (including all news articles relating to the killings as well as the video tribute comments from Benoit's peers) of Benoit.
Their merchandising subsite wweshop.com would follow suit in regards to all Benoit-related merchandise.
However, Benoit merchandise, including action figures, is still available at retail stores.
Last two link to wikipedia articles for reference, but the fact isn't mentioned there.
WWE also has decided to edit out all matches that contained Benoit from rebroadcasts of matches from their extensive video library. (See WWE video library) Since the incident, no matches involving Benoit have shown up on any new DVD re-releases by the WWE.
He was also removed from the WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 video game after originally being included as a playable wrestler.
-- M4gnum0n ( talk) 15:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says: "On Monday, June 25, WWE was notified of the text messages sent to Chavo Guerrero and Scott Armstrong"... But who send the messages? Please specify. 80.230.250.40 ( talk) 20:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
This article does not appear to have broad enough appeal to be included in Version 0.7, which includes only the top 1% or so of articls. Walkerma ( talk) 05:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for Version 0.7 of the offline Wikipedia release but did not meet the standards for importance. It has been put on Wikipedia:Release_Version_Nominations/Held_nominations for further review. Please see that page for details.
Edited/split this line in Responses/WWF Section as it's poorly written.
Original Line
"Although on other products such as wrestling figures on the back of the packaging figures of Benoit are advertised although WWE have started putting stickers over these."
Edited Line
"On other products such as wrestling figures, Benoit figures are advertised on the back of the packaging. WWE have started putting stickers over these."
Hope this change meets with approval. --
220.101.28.25 (
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00:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
It says over a period of three days, the only way I can figure him killing someone over three days involves torture. The entire intro is messed up, both grammatically and factually. 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 05:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chris_Benoit&action=historysubmit&diff=140442953&oldid=140425583
The current section is too long and filled with unnecessary "information". I guess a few editors think they own the article, but I'm simply trying to make it look more like an article in an encyclopedia. The Cleanup Kid ( talk) 04:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
"The next night, after the details of the deaths became concrete, the company aired a recorded statement by its Chairman Vince McMahon before their ECW broadcast:"
Nothing about the details is truly concrete. Concrete is a weasel word in saying that this is how it's it and nothing you can do otherwise can change that. Something along those lines. A better sentence is: "The next night, after the some details of the deaths became available, the company aired a recorded statement by its Chairman Vince McMahon before their ECW broadcast:" I made a small tweak in it. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 17:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Why does the article need to specify a timezone in the infobox when it's for a three-day span? It's hardly a precision matter, then, is it? Similarly, why does the article body specify EDT so frequently? (It's on about six timings given, out of a total of around nine.) It's very hard to see why this matters so much - the whole thing took place in Fayetteville, GA so it's not like there's room for much confusion across time zones. If it's important then maybe one appearance per "block" of time-related stuff might not be so bad, but the current number of appearances seems excessive. I might consider just editing it myself but I'd be interested to know what others think. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 15:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
This section contains names of wrestlers associated with the SI article that covers the Arizona doctor, David Wilbirt, and other aspects of steroids in professional wrestling and other sports. In this section, Paul Levesque (Triple H) is mentioned in addition to Adam Copeland (Edge) as wrestlers who appeared on the list and were said to receive large quantities of HGH/anabolic steroids. However, when reading the article posted as a citation for that claim, there is absolutely no mention of Paul Levesque/Triple H. Randy Orton, on the other hand, is mentioned in the SI article, but is not mentioned in the wiki. Mentioning Levesque in connection with the SI article, and posting the citation, is quite misleading.
Unless a citation can be linked that states that Levesque was mentioned in the documents perused for the SI article, I think that his name should be removed from this section of the entry.
Miaaingeal ( talk) 22:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
the article history on the English Wikipedia of Chris Benoit was edited or something because if you go to the June 25, 2007 history page, there is no edit made at 12:01 AM. Why is this so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.133.115 ( talk) 14:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I remember it did seem like he vanished a while back, but as of today, there's a shitload of stuff about him there. Not just his name, either. Stuff like this and this. Do a site search with Google for the rest, I can't link them all.
So, should the bit about the censorship be deleted or rewritten into past tense? And, if rewritten, does anyone know when it stopped being "too soon" and the rules changed? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:20, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus, though a specific RM for Benoit family murder-suicide might yield consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 18:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Chris Benoit double-murder and suicide → Benoit family murders – Nice and concise, but still precise. Consistent with other articles which don't mention aftermath in the title. See above talk section for more detail and context. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC) 04:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
On the "Nancy Benoit" section, there is a sentence stating that, "On Friday, June 22, Chris Benoit killed his wife Nancy in an upstairs office." It was originally, "Chris benoit killed his wife Nancy in an upstairs family room.", but a few years ago, I changed "famly room" to "office", because I think I saw a video on YouTube which may have indicated that Chris murdered Nancy in or near an office rather than a family room. Can't remember exactly which video it is, though. Jim856796 ( talk) 05:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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With the hyphen, double-murder suggests that Chris Benoit hanged his double to cover his own tracks, but I don't see any mention of that scenario in the article. — Tamfang ( talk) 20:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
The article states the following contradiction (in bold print).
So, it starts by giving the date that the wife was murdered; it ends by stating that police can't determine when she was murdered. I know nothing about this case, so I cannot edit it. Perhaps another editor can do so? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 22:18, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Any idea where this idea of inability to determine ToD came from? Ranze ( talk) 05:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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Since some people consider suicide to be a form of murder (self-murder) couldn't we just call this the 'Chris Benoit triple-murder' ? That way it would be shorter. Although I think it is a bit presumptuous still, looking above at #Requested move for "benoit family murders", wouldn't " Benoit family deaths" be the most neutral title we could pick? It would be more accepting of the whole 'Daniel was an accident' theory some are open to. Ranze ( talk) 05:18, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "Possible motives" section include actual theories from the investigation and not just personal opinions from people who knew Benoit? Everyone has their own theory about the cause so what relevancy does Holly's personal one hold? It's also unsourced so I'm tempted to just remove it. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone think that we should report that police speculated that Daniel died not only by Chris' arms, but it was a variation of the Crippler Crossface that Chris used to kill his son? Even the book "Ring of Hell" by Matthew Randazzo V supports this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.28.242 ( talk) 13:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I was going to remove the following- "But in 2015 WWE brought back it's coarse language and everything the fans loved but are still very careful with how many head injuries they let their wrestlers get. It is speculated by the fans when Shane gets in control of WWE he will change the rating back to TV-14 but has said that he and the whole McMahon family are always going to be careful with how many head injuries wrestlers will endure and that chair shots to the head are the only thing that have been banned. " When I went to edit this out, someone had did so already. Just wanted to say I agree. Funny coincidence that I was going to remove that and as soon as I clicked edit, I could no longer find it. Someone beat me to it within seconds. 2601:483:100:CB54:1C1B:B640:914B:B56 ( talk) 23:07, 8 May 2017 (UTC)