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Apparently the main China article was blanked and replaced with the People's Republic of China one at some point in 2011, which now puts our article organisation at odds with pretty much all the other wikis, but people are unable to go back on this because it's politically charged. [1] This is one of the things that could only be solved by investing extreme levels of wikidrama so it may be better to look for a workaround. The blanked page now is here. This was our " China" page as a matter of course form 2003 until September 2011. The politics of this is probably roughly similar to the Macedonia issue, and a circumspect solution would probably take into account what has been going on there. -- dab (𒁳) 07:45, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I suppose "China" is somewhere between China proper and Sinosphere ("China proper" being the mininal core China, subtracting all that is arguably not part of China, and conversely "Sinosphere" is maximal, including all that can arguably be said to be at least historically influenced by Chinese culture). I do not like to advocate CFORKing, and all of this clearly has scope overlap, but it seems a bit confusing to have articles about "China proper" and "Sinosphere" but no article whatsoever just about "China". I suppose "China" as a cultural region is larger than Qin China -- perhaps roughly Song China/ Ming China? Clearly Qing territory has imperial character, as, e.g. Bishkek cannot reasonably be said to be "in China". -- dab (𒁳) 08:18, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
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Apparently the main China article was blanked and replaced with the People's Republic of China one at some point in 2011, which now puts our article organisation at odds with pretty much all the other wikis, but people are unable to go back on this because it's politically charged. [1] This is one of the things that could only be solved by investing extreme levels of wikidrama so it may be better to look for a workaround. The blanked page now is here. This was our " China" page as a matter of course form 2003 until September 2011. The politics of this is probably roughly similar to the Macedonia issue, and a circumspect solution would probably take into account what has been going on there. -- dab (𒁳) 07:45, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I suppose "China" is somewhere between China proper and Sinosphere ("China proper" being the mininal core China, subtracting all that is arguably not part of China, and conversely "Sinosphere" is maximal, including all that can arguably be said to be at least historically influenced by Chinese culture). I do not like to advocate CFORKing, and all of this clearly has scope overlap, but it seems a bit confusing to have articles about "China proper" and "Sinosphere" but no article whatsoever just about "China". I suppose "China" as a cultural region is larger than Qin China -- perhaps roughly Song China/ Ming China? Clearly Qing territory has imperial character, as, e.g. Bishkek cannot reasonably be said to be "in China". -- dab (𒁳) 08:18, 13 December 2016 (UTC)