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The article talks about a link from the Caspian Sea to the Straits of Hormuz. At a glance this looks like some Romney geography, since the Caspian Sea is north of Iran, bordering neither China nor Pakistan. What the source actually says is "Caspian region", but I think they mean something broader than the Caspian Depression ... maybe. And it says it "improves existing links" to the landlocked region. In short, it's not a very good source, making a brief allusion to something that really could use a better explanation. Wnt ( talk) 12:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
A map showing the proposed route would really add to this article. JoltColaOfEvil ( talk) 00:35, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
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Totally agree. If I understand the above template correctly, our request should be visible to the cartographically-skilled section of the Wikipedia community. 82.70.49.110 ( talk) 11:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The portion on Central Alignment should be expanded. Otherwise it is a mere stub and should be included in the "Other projects" section of CPEC roadway projects. Willard84 ( talk) 22:06, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
A user has been repeatedly inserting motorway tables from the Pakistani Motorways wiki page. The table is not relevant to CPEC in its form since it includes numerous projects not part of CPEC such as the Northern Bypass/M-10 near Karachi which have never been mentioned as part of CPEC at all.
M1/M2/M3 have already been completed and are not part of CPEC either. M7 is not part of CPEC either. 66.194.2.2 ( talk) 20:00, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
contributor Kautilya3 is repeatedly inserting weasel words in his/her edits regarding Baloch nationalist opposition to the project. The author not only uses the word "Punjabi dominated" government, but also uses words like "miniscule portion" and "internal colony" simply because it was written by some Indian author in a book. Such weasel wording is not permitted. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.40.114.55 ( talk) 22:04, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
User Pprcgi is repeatedly and carelessly undoing a vast amount of edits. his/her latest revisions completely deleted information regarding groundbreaking dates of Brahma Bahtar motorway, and undid clean up of "major projects" list as well. He/she also repeatedly inserts stubs and appropriates to them a completely new heading for a single sentence. Willard84 ( talk) 20:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
When you can form a proper argument without resorting to hysterical abuse as to why Indian sabotage should not be mentioned then I suggest you waste someones elses time on another article. The source is reliable and is a concern to the Pakistani and Chinese government that may not fit your point of view but wikipedia is a free and fair knowledge resource which explains all sides please stop disrupting it. 2A02:C7D:14FC:C600:185E:14E7:36F3:AD17 ( talk) 17:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
User Baltistani478 included CPEC.jpg onto this page to demonstrate different corridors for this project. He/she states that the picture is direct from the Planning Commission of Pakistan and that it is open source. I suspect that government publications aren't "open source," and that this picture might be uploaded improperly. Willard84 ( talk) 17:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
I was just wondering why do Indian editors insist upon adding such huge text about a 500 million dollar port in Iran? I understand CPEC raised allot of eyebrows amongst Indians but this is not the page to compare a mouse to an elephant one day maybe India will be able to invest 46 billion dollars in another country by this is not a competition this is reality there is no comparison at all Indians may try to comfort themselves with these edits but it serves no purpose on this page add it to chabahar port page instead. 141.241.26.20 ( talk) 15:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
One user has suggested that including percentage calculations qualifies as original research whicch is forbidden on Wikiepedia. As per Wikipedia, O.R. includes "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to materialâsuch as facts, allegations, and ideasâfor which no reliable, published sources exist.[1] This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. "
The last sentence is key. The calculated percentages are not "analysis or synthesis of material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. Calculations do not serve to reach a conclusion not implied by sources.
Further, "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age are some examples of routine calculations." Willard84 ( talk) 17:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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@Kautilya
I think you're misunderstanding a few things:
1) There is no synthesis. The ideas I've presented are in those sources provided. The whole article does NOT have to be about a comparison for there to be a useful - yes, the articles are about Chabahar, but they ALSO do mention CPEC, and so nothing I've done is against the or placed out of context, because both highlight the possible importance of the project, but also acknowledge that it does not match the scope of CPEC. That is exactly in line with what I've written.
2) I think youre confusing significance with cost, and thats why you might think what I've written is against the spirit and message of those srouces.. It might look like I'm drawing unwarranted conclusions, but if you'll note, I did not in any way go against those sources by stating that the project is insignificant. All I did was remain consistent with what they wrote: which is that while being potentially important, they still do not match the value of CPEC. This is in line with both of those sources. Significance and monetary value are not the same thing, and I think you've confounded the two.
3) Refer to the sections I posted about calculations and percentages. These are NOT considered original research. Basic math isn't synthetic. As long as I don't use math to draw an illogical or unsupported conclusion, then I can include those. Nothing about the percentage figures is misleading.
4) I disagree. The port is not owned by China, it is leased to China on a contractual basis. Same with Chabahar and India. Both India and China are also paying for both ports. Implicit in the term "base" is a militaristic angle, and there is just no reliable evidence yet to suggest that. When looking at the projects, the only real difference is that China is using Gwadar as a way out of China, while India intends Chabahar to be a way IN to Central Asia. That in addition to the obvious difference in the amount being invested. You might be right in the future about it being a naval base though, but at best, those are premature conclusions without firm evidence to support that claim.
As for Iran becoming an Indian client, of course that will never happen. Iran is far wealthier and sitting on a huge amount of fossil fuels. And not to mention that Chinese economic ties with Iran are far more substantial than Indian ones. From everything I've heard, Iran is trying to avoid becoming a client state. They even have clarified the neutrality of this project. But if they would chose sides, they might chose the side that is offering way more money (China), as well as China's ambitious Silk Roads project. Willard84 ( talk) 16:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
@Ghatus - the calculations are not research. Refer to links above that very clearly state basic maths are permitted and are not considered OR. Secondly, yes, there are always conditions. What I calculated was the value of agreements signed. That is a fair comparison.
Next, I can see youve jumped on the synthesis bandwagon. Look at the sources posted earlier in this thread. They state the EXACT same thing as I did, which means I did not synthesize. They state that while Chabaha may be important, the value just does not compare to CPEC. That is an idea found in both those sources and was not OR by me. Willard84 ( talk) 16:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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@ Willard84: Among the edits reverted by Ghatus this morning [1], I find material sourced to an "IDSA Comment," which is essentially a blog site. This is not a reliable source. It will be fine to factual information from such sources if they look like reasonably well-informed, but not opinions. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 10:53, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
We are probably reaching the point where we should be discussing the article's length, as it is quite long. Consider spinning out sub-articles in the future to better organise information and using summary form here. Some sections may also need to be shortened, such as the Chabahar section which in my opinion is longer than necessary. Anyone who wants to know the specifics of Chabahar should just be able to navigate to the Chabahar Port article, really. We have not seen the governments of Pakistan or Iran speculate much on the supposed comparison. It is mostly confined to forum talk, newspaper editorials or talk shows (some of it sensationalised IMO). WP:WEIGHT should be a key factor. Mar4d ( talk) 11:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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Considering the size of this project, I suggest that info centered on potential debt issues for Pakistan should be included, as well as counter-arguments for this risk.
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I'm doing a research project and was struggling to find sources for the alleged pipeline to China from Pakistan. I'll post some links, but the gist is I found some news articles referencing the pipeline construction as if it is already happening, articles about it's economic infeasibility, and my failure to find any official source about it's construction. If someone finds that this construction is actually happening, great! https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10670564.2018.1433483
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/china-s-pipeline-dream-pakistan
https://www.insideover.com/politics/pakistan-cedes-strategic-pipeline-contract-to-china.html
https://it-it.facebook.com/ChinaPakEconomicCorridor/photos/china-to-build-mega-oil-pipeline-from-gwadar-to-kashgarislamabad-work-on-gwadar-/1725962874338906 â Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.245.227.158 ( talk) 02:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Entire article is based on obsolete news and either needs to be rewritten or deleted. Akedia1 ( talk) 10:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
inauguration date countries involved beneficiaries Route/ map Length of the route Security measures for the project Potential benefits for Pakistan Foreign threats to the project Impact on employment for local population. 39.43.56.93 ( talk) 12:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Something is missing ...
... maybe a section "Outlook and extensions".
Be aware that the port of Gwadar is not only a port on the Indian Ocean in general, but also represents the last civilized westernmost point in Pakistan before Iran - and is only about 550km from the Strait of Hormuz.
Hormuz, in turn, or the coastal point about 50 km south of Minas in Iran, which marks the shortest distance to Oman territory, is the subject of an agreement and a project between Iran and Oman to build a dam and a bridge there in order to close off the Persian Gulf and establish a land connection between Central Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. In the territory of Oman, which is ruled autocratically by an Ibadite royal family (the Ibadites are close to the Shia, the prevailing interpretation of the Quran in Iran), it is halfway through southern Oman ("Arabia Felix") to Africa. The other remaining half way is through Yemen.
Iran ships significant amounts of oil to China.
Another land connection is conceivable from Yemen to Djibouti. From there, railway connections through Africa would be conceivable. In Africa, the Chinese are already active in many places, sponsoring infrastructure and creating an increasingly effective home power through lending by calling in loans and thus putting local governments under pressure.
Then freight trains could go from the China Sea, from Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Guangdong through China, Sinkiang, Pakistan via Gwadar, Hormuz, Oman, through Yemen to Djibouti and Kenya, Nairobi. And roll to Mozambique, South Africa, Nigeria, West Africa, Dakar, Morocco and also towards Sudan and Egypt and open up the whole of Africa.
According to the tradition of the ancients ... the emperor of China is the center of the earth or the sole ruler of the contiguous land masses of Asia, Europe and Africa. So we here in Western Europe are actually... subject to the Emperor of China... as his westernmost exponents and tributaries. He has the Mandate of Heaven, and unless there are huge wars, great catastrophes or plagues, He rules.
This certainly applies to Xi Jin Ping's autocratic thinking.
I'm sure that planners in China have these connections in their bearings, but just as sure that hardly anyone in the West sees or wants to see these connections. "Speculation!", many will shout. It is also unclear to me whether these connections are suitable for being presented in the WP. There are few sources and reports. The dam construction project to bridge the Persian Gulf to Oman is very specific. The planning process is already underway. - AxelKing ( talk) 00:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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Dear @ UserBk12, Reviewing your edits on 31 Dec 2022, it is observed that you are more inclined to removing the article content rather than modifying or improving it for the benefit of readers. Even though such reverts can be well within exemption criteria for edit-warring, abiding by Wikipedia:3RR Policy and considering your good faith edits (although questionable as in revision 1130723205 at 17:10, 31 December 2022) I am writing to you here on this article talk page as there are already 3 reverts on your recent changes. You are requested to be more cautious on making future changes and contribute productively.
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First: I wrote "moving" because I was about to move it in the next edit. Which is visible in the summary. I do this because of my own convenience. Second: Any deletion of content was because it didn't belong under the heading and was forced flooded and read like an unnecessary essay instead.
Third: Who is removing the mention of Uighurs?!? Blatant false accusations on your part. I removed the paragraph that spoke of very irrelevant history from the 1980's to push a more controversial and doomsday point of view. CPEC was launched 7 YEARS ago.
Fourth: I think you've mistaken for another user. I have not made attempts to remove any such content mentioned at the end you've mentioned.
Kindly avoid accusing me of "deleting content without reason" at an attempt to open a sock puppet investigation against me as I've given explanations. UserBk12 ( talk) 07:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
It seems you are frustrated with my edits because they are at odds with yours. Though I'm not complaining about your contributions to Wikipedia but in case of this article most of your edits are from a critical/negative perspective. I'm just correcting and removing to counter the language used to sound neutral because at many places it obviously DOESN'T. I can also accuse you of "editing when it suits you". Remember, this is an encyclopedia and people with different point of views are allowed to edit, whether they are modifications or deletions. You can explain your stance on why the content deserves to be there and I'll leave it like I've done on multiple occasions. Simple as that. As for the wiki links, I had no intention of removing anything while moving but realized after moving the sources had disappeared, which I restored where needed in the next edit. Lastly, I'll explain my stance if I am to edit in the future like I always do. Not worth explaining anything else UserBk12 ( talk) 12:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
1. "Whenever content was restored with proper explanation, you have ALWAYS disregarded it and went on deletion spree." Think you need to go through my edit history again thoroughly because this clearly isn't true. Again, blatant false accusations. 2. Another thing, you again complain why I delete content I consider questionable or unsourced (in edit summaries) instead of finding alternative content or sources as replacement? I don't think a rule like this exists anywhere on Wikipedia. You are free to revert my edits with modifications to make the content worth keeping on this page. Like on multiple occasions you have done and I've not touched again. 3. On the Uighur history issue, you keep repeating I've given "clever edit summaries" but you're not interested in clever arguments that can counter my "mischievous" edits. I'm not the only editor on this page that has opposed your version of content under the previous criticism section on this topic and found it irrelevant. I've modified it and moved it to the security section regardless. 4. "Baloch resistance" - you've restored this section after modifications from my side. You gave explanations why some of the content I considered irrelevant deserves to be there and I left it at that. And removed some poorly worded content using non encyclopedia like language . So I don't know what's the issue here now 5. "Misleading or fake narratives" I removed it initially because first of all, suspension of some twitter accounts looked too random,out of flow and unimportant to be on the main body. Plus adding it under Indian subversion looked appropriate to me because the organisation reporting it is Indian and the mentioned country has an anti cpec agenda because it goes against its interests and any state affiliated organization/media of this country is known to propagate an anti cpec agenda (whether true or not). Modifications were to look appropriate for the subheading. If you think another subsection is worth putting it under, you are free to move it. Lastly, I too have disagreements with many of your edits and think they are mischievous and agenda driven in nature. But I'm not here trying to get you blocked over solved issues? If you think any more of my edits don't deserve to be there, just do the edits you think are needed. It's not like I'm going to edit war with you again if your editing is rational and uses neutral language.
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@ Uzek Now you have modified your earlier ID UserBk12.
Despite receiving the stern notices regarding your edits of content deletion, you have resorted to continue with the same behavior. It is highly unbecoming of an editor when attempts are made to suppress information. Your disruptive edit on 9 March 2023 03:42 is similar to those pointed out in previous section of this talk page.
I am restraining myself from reverting your unproductive modifications in the article as it might lead to edit war. I hope you come out with your objections and we get this to a point of agreement as per the editing policies so that the content is re-established in the article page. Escalating this to others and reporting is easier but I am really trying hard to put a genuine effort in making you stop further harm by opting for deletions in article.
Anand2202 ( talk) 06:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
T The removal of disputed maps of Pakistan depicting the Siachen Glacier as part of its territory is a significant geopolitical issue. The Siachen Glacier, located in the eastern Karakoram Range in the Himalayas, is the highest battleground on Earth, where Indian and Pakistani forces have faced off since 1984. Both countries claim sovereignty over the region, leading to ongoing tensions and occasional skirmishes. The depiction of the glacier in official maps can exacerbate these tensions and hinder efforts toward peaceful resolution. Also, the area is administered by India. It's a shame that Wikipedia is publishing articles without proper research. 27.97.236.117 ( talk) 22:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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The article talks about a link from the Caspian Sea to the Straits of Hormuz. At a glance this looks like some Romney geography, since the Caspian Sea is north of Iran, bordering neither China nor Pakistan. What the source actually says is "Caspian region", but I think they mean something broader than the Caspian Depression ... maybe. And it says it "improves existing links" to the landlocked region. In short, it's not a very good source, making a brief allusion to something that really could use a better explanation. Wnt ( talk) 12:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
A map showing the proposed route would really add to this article. JoltColaOfEvil ( talk) 00:35, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
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Totally agree. If I understand the above template correctly, our request should be visible to the cartographically-skilled section of the Wikipedia community. 82.70.49.110 ( talk) 11:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The portion on Central Alignment should be expanded. Otherwise it is a mere stub and should be included in the "Other projects" section of CPEC roadway projects. Willard84 ( talk) 22:06, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
A user has been repeatedly inserting motorway tables from the Pakistani Motorways wiki page. The table is not relevant to CPEC in its form since it includes numerous projects not part of CPEC such as the Northern Bypass/M-10 near Karachi which have never been mentioned as part of CPEC at all.
M1/M2/M3 have already been completed and are not part of CPEC either. M7 is not part of CPEC either. 66.194.2.2 ( talk) 20:00, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
contributor Kautilya3 is repeatedly inserting weasel words in his/her edits regarding Baloch nationalist opposition to the project. The author not only uses the word "Punjabi dominated" government, but also uses words like "miniscule portion" and "internal colony" simply because it was written by some Indian author in a book. Such weasel wording is not permitted. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.40.114.55 ( talk) 22:04, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
User Pprcgi is repeatedly and carelessly undoing a vast amount of edits. his/her latest revisions completely deleted information regarding groundbreaking dates of Brahma Bahtar motorway, and undid clean up of "major projects" list as well. He/she also repeatedly inserts stubs and appropriates to them a completely new heading for a single sentence. Willard84 ( talk) 20:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
When you can form a proper argument without resorting to hysterical abuse as to why Indian sabotage should not be mentioned then I suggest you waste someones elses time on another article. The source is reliable and is a concern to the Pakistani and Chinese government that may not fit your point of view but wikipedia is a free and fair knowledge resource which explains all sides please stop disrupting it. 2A02:C7D:14FC:C600:185E:14E7:36F3:AD17 ( talk) 17:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
User Baltistani478 included CPEC.jpg onto this page to demonstrate different corridors for this project. He/she states that the picture is direct from the Planning Commission of Pakistan and that it is open source. I suspect that government publications aren't "open source," and that this picture might be uploaded improperly. Willard84 ( talk) 17:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
I was just wondering why do Indian editors insist upon adding such huge text about a 500 million dollar port in Iran? I understand CPEC raised allot of eyebrows amongst Indians but this is not the page to compare a mouse to an elephant one day maybe India will be able to invest 46 billion dollars in another country by this is not a competition this is reality there is no comparison at all Indians may try to comfort themselves with these edits but it serves no purpose on this page add it to chabahar port page instead. 141.241.26.20 ( talk) 15:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
One user has suggested that including percentage calculations qualifies as original research whicch is forbidden on Wikiepedia. As per Wikipedia, O.R. includes "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to materialâsuch as facts, allegations, and ideasâfor which no reliable, published sources exist.[1] This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. "
The last sentence is key. The calculated percentages are not "analysis or synthesis of material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. Calculations do not serve to reach a conclusion not implied by sources.
Further, "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age are some examples of routine calculations." Willard84 ( talk) 17:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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@Kautilya
I think you're misunderstanding a few things:
1) There is no synthesis. The ideas I've presented are in those sources provided. The whole article does NOT have to be about a comparison for there to be a useful - yes, the articles are about Chabahar, but they ALSO do mention CPEC, and so nothing I've done is against the or placed out of context, because both highlight the possible importance of the project, but also acknowledge that it does not match the scope of CPEC. That is exactly in line with what I've written.
2) I think youre confusing significance with cost, and thats why you might think what I've written is against the spirit and message of those srouces.. It might look like I'm drawing unwarranted conclusions, but if you'll note, I did not in any way go against those sources by stating that the project is insignificant. All I did was remain consistent with what they wrote: which is that while being potentially important, they still do not match the value of CPEC. This is in line with both of those sources. Significance and monetary value are not the same thing, and I think you've confounded the two.
3) Refer to the sections I posted about calculations and percentages. These are NOT considered original research. Basic math isn't synthetic. As long as I don't use math to draw an illogical or unsupported conclusion, then I can include those. Nothing about the percentage figures is misleading.
4) I disagree. The port is not owned by China, it is leased to China on a contractual basis. Same with Chabahar and India. Both India and China are also paying for both ports. Implicit in the term "base" is a militaristic angle, and there is just no reliable evidence yet to suggest that. When looking at the projects, the only real difference is that China is using Gwadar as a way out of China, while India intends Chabahar to be a way IN to Central Asia. That in addition to the obvious difference in the amount being invested. You might be right in the future about it being a naval base though, but at best, those are premature conclusions without firm evidence to support that claim.
As for Iran becoming an Indian client, of course that will never happen. Iran is far wealthier and sitting on a huge amount of fossil fuels. And not to mention that Chinese economic ties with Iran are far more substantial than Indian ones. From everything I've heard, Iran is trying to avoid becoming a client state. They even have clarified the neutrality of this project. But if they would chose sides, they might chose the side that is offering way more money (China), as well as China's ambitious Silk Roads project. Willard84 ( talk) 16:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
@Ghatus - the calculations are not research. Refer to links above that very clearly state basic maths are permitted and are not considered OR. Secondly, yes, there are always conditions. What I calculated was the value of agreements signed. That is a fair comparison.
Next, I can see youve jumped on the synthesis bandwagon. Look at the sources posted earlier in this thread. They state the EXACT same thing as I did, which means I did not synthesize. They state that while Chabaha may be important, the value just does not compare to CPEC. That is an idea found in both those sources and was not OR by me. Willard84 ( talk) 16:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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@ Willard84: Among the edits reverted by Ghatus this morning [1], I find material sourced to an "IDSA Comment," which is essentially a blog site. This is not a reliable source. It will be fine to factual information from such sources if they look like reasonably well-informed, but not opinions. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 10:53, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
We are probably reaching the point where we should be discussing the article's length, as it is quite long. Consider spinning out sub-articles in the future to better organise information and using summary form here. Some sections may also need to be shortened, such as the Chabahar section which in my opinion is longer than necessary. Anyone who wants to know the specifics of Chabahar should just be able to navigate to the Chabahar Port article, really. We have not seen the governments of Pakistan or Iran speculate much on the supposed comparison. It is mostly confined to forum talk, newspaper editorials or talk shows (some of it sensationalised IMO). WP:WEIGHT should be a key factor. Mar4d ( talk) 11:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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Considering the size of this project, I suggest that info centered on potential debt issues for Pakistan should be included, as well as counter-arguments for this risk.
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I'm doing a research project and was struggling to find sources for the alleged pipeline to China from Pakistan. I'll post some links, but the gist is I found some news articles referencing the pipeline construction as if it is already happening, articles about it's economic infeasibility, and my failure to find any official source about it's construction. If someone finds that this construction is actually happening, great! https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10670564.2018.1433483
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/china-s-pipeline-dream-pakistan
https://www.insideover.com/politics/pakistan-cedes-strategic-pipeline-contract-to-china.html
https://it-it.facebook.com/ChinaPakEconomicCorridor/photos/china-to-build-mega-oil-pipeline-from-gwadar-to-kashgarislamabad-work-on-gwadar-/1725962874338906 â Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.245.227.158 ( talk) 02:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Entire article is based on obsolete news and either needs to be rewritten or deleted. Akedia1 ( talk) 10:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
inauguration date countries involved beneficiaries Route/ map Length of the route Security measures for the project Potential benefits for Pakistan Foreign threats to the project Impact on employment for local population. 39.43.56.93 ( talk) 12:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Something is missing ...
... maybe a section "Outlook and extensions".
Be aware that the port of Gwadar is not only a port on the Indian Ocean in general, but also represents the last civilized westernmost point in Pakistan before Iran - and is only about 550km from the Strait of Hormuz.
Hormuz, in turn, or the coastal point about 50 km south of Minas in Iran, which marks the shortest distance to Oman territory, is the subject of an agreement and a project between Iran and Oman to build a dam and a bridge there in order to close off the Persian Gulf and establish a land connection between Central Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. In the territory of Oman, which is ruled autocratically by an Ibadite royal family (the Ibadites are close to the Shia, the prevailing interpretation of the Quran in Iran), it is halfway through southern Oman ("Arabia Felix") to Africa. The other remaining half way is through Yemen.
Iran ships significant amounts of oil to China.
Another land connection is conceivable from Yemen to Djibouti. From there, railway connections through Africa would be conceivable. In Africa, the Chinese are already active in many places, sponsoring infrastructure and creating an increasingly effective home power through lending by calling in loans and thus putting local governments under pressure.
Then freight trains could go from the China Sea, from Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Guangdong through China, Sinkiang, Pakistan via Gwadar, Hormuz, Oman, through Yemen to Djibouti and Kenya, Nairobi. And roll to Mozambique, South Africa, Nigeria, West Africa, Dakar, Morocco and also towards Sudan and Egypt and open up the whole of Africa.
According to the tradition of the ancients ... the emperor of China is the center of the earth or the sole ruler of the contiguous land masses of Asia, Europe and Africa. So we here in Western Europe are actually... subject to the Emperor of China... as his westernmost exponents and tributaries. He has the Mandate of Heaven, and unless there are huge wars, great catastrophes or plagues, He rules.
This certainly applies to Xi Jin Ping's autocratic thinking.
I'm sure that planners in China have these connections in their bearings, but just as sure that hardly anyone in the West sees or wants to see these connections. "Speculation!", many will shout. It is also unclear to me whether these connections are suitable for being presented in the WP. There are few sources and reports. The dam construction project to bridge the Persian Gulf to Oman is very specific. The planning process is already underway. - AxelKing ( talk) 00:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
A large scale deletion was made in this article on 16 Dec 2022 by a non-registered user with IP Address 111.119.177.11 Wikipedia's technical logs indicate that this IP address or network has been used to disrupt Wikipedia. This vandal has been blocked (since June 2022) from editing to prevent further abuse.
The Wikipedia software, it appears, is considering the edits on this article since the deletion to be conflicting with more recent edits and thus not permitting an "undo" operation. All the removed content was from verifiable source and deletion makes the article represent half weighted facts. Requesting admins / users with rollback feature enabled to do the needful.
Considerable time and effort were put into performing the content addition and article improvement. Deletion without adequate explanation or conversation in good faith is not done! This message here on the talk page intends to serve as caution regarding unconstructive edits for this article. All possible attempts will be made to restore the article content from its previous version. If any of the content violates the Wikipedia principles, then feel free to discuss it in this thread. Anand2202 ( talk) 09:27, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Dear @ UserBk12, Reviewing your edits on 31 Dec 2022, it is observed that you are more inclined to removing the article content rather than modifying or improving it for the benefit of readers. Even though such reverts can be well within exemption criteria for edit-warring, abiding by Wikipedia:3RR Policy and considering your good faith edits (although questionable as in revision 1130723205 at 17:10, 31 December 2022) I am writing to you here on this article talk page as there are already 3 reverts on your recent changes. You are requested to be more cautious on making future changes and contribute productively.
Feel free to discuss here if you have any queries or concerns regarding improvement of this article.
Happy Wiki-Editing! Anand2202 ( talk) 05:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
First: I wrote "moving" because I was about to move it in the next edit. Which is visible in the summary. I do this because of my own convenience. Second: Any deletion of content was because it didn't belong under the heading and was forced flooded and read like an unnecessary essay instead.
Third: Who is removing the mention of Uighurs?!? Blatant false accusations on your part. I removed the paragraph that spoke of very irrelevant history from the 1980's to push a more controversial and doomsday point of view. CPEC was launched 7 YEARS ago.
Fourth: I think you've mistaken for another user. I have not made attempts to remove any such content mentioned at the end you've mentioned.
Kindly avoid accusing me of "deleting content without reason" at an attempt to open a sock puppet investigation against me as I've given explanations. UserBk12 ( talk) 07:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
It seems you are frustrated with my edits because they are at odds with yours. Though I'm not complaining about your contributions to Wikipedia but in case of this article most of your edits are from a critical/negative perspective. I'm just correcting and removing to counter the language used to sound neutral because at many places it obviously DOESN'T. I can also accuse you of "editing when it suits you". Remember, this is an encyclopedia and people with different point of views are allowed to edit, whether they are modifications or deletions. You can explain your stance on why the content deserves to be there and I'll leave it like I've done on multiple occasions. Simple as that. As for the wiki links, I had no intention of removing anything while moving but realized after moving the sources had disappeared, which I restored where needed in the next edit. Lastly, I'll explain my stance if I am to edit in the future like I always do. Not worth explaining anything else UserBk12 ( talk) 12:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
1. "Whenever content was restored with proper explanation, you have ALWAYS disregarded it and went on deletion spree." Think you need to go through my edit history again thoroughly because this clearly isn't true. Again, blatant false accusations. 2. Another thing, you again complain why I delete content I consider questionable or unsourced (in edit summaries) instead of finding alternative content or sources as replacement? I don't think a rule like this exists anywhere on Wikipedia. You are free to revert my edits with modifications to make the content worth keeping on this page. Like on multiple occasions you have done and I've not touched again. 3. On the Uighur history issue, you keep repeating I've given "clever edit summaries" but you're not interested in clever arguments that can counter my "mischievous" edits. I'm not the only editor on this page that has opposed your version of content under the previous criticism section on this topic and found it irrelevant. I've modified it and moved it to the security section regardless. 4. "Baloch resistance" - you've restored this section after modifications from my side. You gave explanations why some of the content I considered irrelevant deserves to be there and I left it at that. And removed some poorly worded content using non encyclopedia like language . So I don't know what's the issue here now 5. "Misleading or fake narratives" I removed it initially because first of all, suspension of some twitter accounts looked too random,out of flow and unimportant to be on the main body. Plus adding it under Indian subversion looked appropriate to me because the organisation reporting it is Indian and the mentioned country has an anti cpec agenda because it goes against its interests and any state affiliated organization/media of this country is known to propagate an anti cpec agenda (whether true or not). Modifications were to look appropriate for the subheading. If you think another subsection is worth putting it under, you are free to move it. Lastly, I too have disagreements with many of your edits and think they are mischievous and agenda driven in nature. But I'm not here trying to get you blocked over solved issues? If you think any more of my edits don't deserve to be there, just do the edits you think are needed. It's not like I'm going to edit war with you again if your editing is rational and uses neutral language.
UserBk12 ( talk) 19:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Uzek Now you have modified your earlier ID UserBk12.
Despite receiving the stern notices regarding your edits of content deletion, you have resorted to continue with the same behavior. It is highly unbecoming of an editor when attempts are made to suppress information. Your disruptive edit on 9 March 2023 03:42 is similar to those pointed out in previous section of this talk page.
I am restraining myself from reverting your unproductive modifications in the article as it might lead to edit war. I hope you come out with your objections and we get this to a point of agreement as per the editing policies so that the content is re-established in the article page. Escalating this to others and reporting is easier but I am really trying hard to put a genuine effort in making you stop further harm by opting for deletions in article.
Anand2202 ( talk) 06:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
T The removal of disputed maps of Pakistan depicting the Siachen Glacier as part of its territory is a significant geopolitical issue. The Siachen Glacier, located in the eastern Karakoram Range in the Himalayas, is the highest battleground on Earth, where Indian and Pakistani forces have faced off since 1984. Both countries claim sovereignty over the region, leading to ongoing tensions and occasional skirmishes. The depiction of the glacier in official maps can exacerbate these tensions and hinder efforts toward peaceful resolution. Also, the area is administered by India. It's a shame that Wikipedia is publishing articles without proper research. 27.97.236.117 ( talk) 22:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)