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The first paragraph says the border is 1,352 km, while the section under border security says it is 1,420 km. This may result from differing measurements, like if you start at the mouth of the Yalu or include the sea border perhaps, but should we not aim for consistency here? â Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.204.134 ( talk) 18:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
I nominated the border fence article for deletion, and as a result of that discussion it has now been merged into this one. I have edited the merged material to try to extract the specific extent of the fencing. I would like to reiterate my objections to the claim that there is a border fence. What we have is various reports over the past decade, with a degree of discrepancy, that there are (or have been) fences of between 10-20 km. The location of these fences appears to be largely in the area of Dandong. The North Korean fence of 2007 is reported to be on a tributary of the Yalu, but I think this is a mistranslation and it actually means a stream in the delta, i.e., near Dandong. Some of these fences are reported as replacing other fences, but charitably we could imagine that these reports indicate fencing of up to 60 km near Dandong. This is nothing like a border fence along the whole thousand kilometre border. Moreover, it would be radically impossible to fence off the waterfront in Dandong and other areas. The local people use the river for transport, recreation, fishing etc. My photo of the border near Dandong in 2012 (added to the article) shows no fence on the Chinese side and a domestic fence on the North Korean side. There is a photo in the 2014 SBS article that shows a Chinese fence at the same spot, but this fence is not very substantial. It is certainly nothing like 4m high! It is quite possible, in any case, that these rather sensationalist reports are inaccurate. It is quite possible that fences that were built several years ago have been removed, whether by flood damage, policy change, or some other reason. Notably, in my picture, there are some fence posts on the Chinese side. I have also found a photo on the Internet of the same spot with a higher fence from some years back. The point is that there doesn't seem to be a fence (or fences) of any great extent or permanence. There seems to be the understandable assumption that there is a fence somewhat like the Berlin Wall or the MexicoâUnited States barrier. But this doesn't seem to be true. If anyone disagrees, the onus should be on them to produce evidence of a fence or fences hundreds of kilometres long.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 12:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Why under "Gallery" do we have a series of maps which don't give a good view of the border?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 02:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
If there are any further specific problems or issues, then I will attempt to work with you all and address those issues so that the encyclopedia can be enriched. Otherwise I consider the issue settled and the maps a permanent fixture on this page as an invaluable historical record of English-language maps of the region from the Cold War period, inherently valuable and important to the English-speaking community. My main take away from this discussion is that I learned to give these kinds of historical maps a more nuanced presentation. Thanks for your time. Geographyinitiative ( talk) 05:18, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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The first paragraph says the border is 1,352 km, while the section under border security says it is 1,420 km. This may result from differing measurements, like if you start at the mouth of the Yalu or include the sea border perhaps, but should we not aim for consistency here? â Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.204.134 ( talk) 18:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
I nominated the border fence article for deletion, and as a result of that discussion it has now been merged into this one. I have edited the merged material to try to extract the specific extent of the fencing. I would like to reiterate my objections to the claim that there is a border fence. What we have is various reports over the past decade, with a degree of discrepancy, that there are (or have been) fences of between 10-20 km. The location of these fences appears to be largely in the area of Dandong. The North Korean fence of 2007 is reported to be on a tributary of the Yalu, but I think this is a mistranslation and it actually means a stream in the delta, i.e., near Dandong. Some of these fences are reported as replacing other fences, but charitably we could imagine that these reports indicate fencing of up to 60 km near Dandong. This is nothing like a border fence along the whole thousand kilometre border. Moreover, it would be radically impossible to fence off the waterfront in Dandong and other areas. The local people use the river for transport, recreation, fishing etc. My photo of the border near Dandong in 2012 (added to the article) shows no fence on the Chinese side and a domestic fence on the North Korean side. There is a photo in the 2014 SBS article that shows a Chinese fence at the same spot, but this fence is not very substantial. It is certainly nothing like 4m high! It is quite possible, in any case, that these rather sensationalist reports are inaccurate. It is quite possible that fences that were built several years ago have been removed, whether by flood damage, policy change, or some other reason. Notably, in my picture, there are some fence posts on the Chinese side. I have also found a photo on the Internet of the same spot with a higher fence from some years back. The point is that there doesn't seem to be a fence (or fences) of any great extent or permanence. There seems to be the understandable assumption that there is a fence somewhat like the Berlin Wall or the MexicoâUnited States barrier. But this doesn't seem to be true. If anyone disagrees, the onus should be on them to produce evidence of a fence or fences hundreds of kilometres long.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 12:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Why under "Gallery" do we have a series of maps which don't give a good view of the border?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 02:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
If there are any further specific problems or issues, then I will attempt to work with you all and address those issues so that the encyclopedia can be enriched. Otherwise I consider the issue settled and the maps a permanent fixture on this page as an invaluable historical record of English-language maps of the region from the Cold War period, inherently valuable and important to the English-speaking community. My main take away from this discussion is that I learned to give these kinds of historical maps a more nuanced presentation. Thanks for your time. Geographyinitiative ( talk) 05:18, 13 December 2019 (UTC)