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This is from a redundant talk page. "Japan-People's Republic of China relations" redirected to "People's Republic of China â Japan relations", but the talk page didn't get redirected. Everything here is years old. -- Sven Manguard ( talk) 05:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
There are more than 700,000 piece Japanese chemical weapons left in China. Chinese civilians have suffered casualties to those weapons to this day. The process of cleaning up has been very slow moving due Japan's lack of funding. This issue should also be explored. Redcloud822 20:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Japan and China may not have had official diplomatic relations prior to the 19th century, but that does not mean they had no relations at all. There needs to be mention here of the Ryukyus in the Edo period, which were formally but secretly controlled by Japan (Satsuma han), and which had direct tributary relations (and strong economic relations) with China. Trade at Nagasaki, though executed by individual merchants and not by the Chinese gov't, should probably be discussed as well. ... Nara/Heian contacts with T'ang China. Hideyoshi's invasions of Korea. There's lots more to be added here. LordAmeth 15:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
A few pictures of Wen Jiabao and Shinzo Abe would help. How can we find something that qualifies as fair use? Colipon+( T) 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Japan pays China a few hundred million each year as war reparations. Its false and misleading to say that Japan hasn't. So far more than 30 billion us dollars has been paid, in addition Japan still gives out finances and other benefits to China such as construction of recent airports and rail systems. http://www.answers.com/topic/anti-japanese-sentiment
This is an defining issue of Sino-Japan relationship, but it is entirely left out here. wonder why? 68.58.41.135 09:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
According to Japan, they never committed any war crimes in China. The only thing worse than a ruthless warmonger is a ruthless warmonger without shame. Erdan 10:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
If I were to pick one event defining China-japan relations, the second sino-Japanese war would be it, eg the war crimes committed by the Japanese military in China and Asia during the 1930;s and 40s. Strangely, this was not included. This event is of extreme historical significance, if not the most and people should be performed about it.
The Japanese military committed some of the world's worst atrocities during the Second Sino Japanese War. At least 30 million people in China alone were killed, massacred, burnt, tortured and in the Nanking Rape, 20 thousand girls and women were raped. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.63.130 ( talk) 02:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I am requesting moving this to the original name, per naming conventions of Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations, so that it will be in line with all other bi-national relations article names. Chris 22:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, this article sure has come a long way since I last commented about it last year... Thank you very much for a job well done. I do have one further concern, however: the current text makes no mention of the Ming Dynasty's hai jin policy, and misrepresents the degree to which Japan was "closed" during the Edo period.
It was the Ming, not Japan, who originally severed relations, as part of their hai jin (澡çŚ, maritime restrictions) policy, and in response to the failure of Japan (which was amidst complete chaos and civil war at the time, under no central authority) to curb the activities of the multi-ethnic, multi-national wokou. Once Japan emulated China and imposed its own maritime restrictions ( kaikin, 澡çŚ), Japan continued to have extensive relations with the Ryukyus and Korea, and indeed with Vietnam, Siam, and other polities as well. Sakoku, seclusion, closed-door, and isolationism are all terms which current scholarship generally reject in describing this period.
I apologize for not making edits myself; I am hoping that, with a little suggestion and prodding, editors with more expertise on Chinese history than myself - I really don't know much about the causes of the hai jin policy or the details of its implementation - will be able to figure out how to work it in better. If there are any questions about the Japanese side of things, I would be happy to try to answer them best as I can. Thank you. LordAmeth 20:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
So, the article is now located at "Japan - People's Republic of China relations", which is more accurate, more appropriate, more unwieldy, and far less commonly used than "Sino-Japanese relations." Plus, the article continues to discuss relations long before the Communist revolution. ... What's to be done? Are we going to revert the name back to the simple, commonly used, and not truly inaccurate version, or are we going to leave this alone and split off the pre-modern stuff to a new article? LordAmeth 13:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I've split the pre-PRC content to Sino-Japanese relations. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 17:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I've started a discussion in Talk:Sino-Japanese relations. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 16:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think this page should be named as Japan-People's Republic of China relations
I think the ordering of "People's Republic of China" and "Japan" is strange. with the following reasons.
1. the long word should not be the first. (at least I learned so, if I arrange some words without alphabetical ordering. though sometimes it may violate the NPOV of WIKIPEDIA.)
2. both names are written in fullname. in Official, Japan is Japan.
3. the alphabetical ordering is Japan and People's Republic of China. (I think this doesn't violate the NPOV in Wikipedia)
I gathered the practices of the common rule in the Internet. "Australia, Costa Rica, Egypt, Mexico, People's Republic of China, Russia and Urkaine" "brazil mexico people's republic of china and russia" "Australia, Canada, India, Malaysia, Mexico, People's Republic of China, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia" the name of "People's Republic of China" can be ordered in the 'P' section of the country lists.
and I searched further at University: the Indiana University [2]. "Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, the Philippines, the People's Republic of China, Russia, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, and Turkey" People's Republic of China is also in the P section. Does "People's Republic of China" show before Japan? no... I'd like to rename People's Republic of China-Japan relations into Japan-People's Republic of China relations?
And I suggest that France-People's Republic of China relations, Germany-People's Republic of China relations, ... should be accepted. (this topic was firstly talked at User talk:Koavf and User talk:Boldlyman with with User:Koavf and User:Boldlyman. Give some comments.-- Boldlyman 23:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The re-orderings make sense to me. John Smith's 15:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from People's Republic of China-Japan relations to Japan-People's Republic of China relations as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 10:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Alright, between the article renaming, the article splitting, and the reverting of the article renaming, the Talk page for the article got split into two, so now here we are.
What happened?
So let's discuss before we do any more article renaming and further mess up the article state. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 16:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Insofar as names are concerned, I think Sino-Japanese relations would work the best, this current title seems too long and awkward. Furthermore, as an outside reader going through the article not knowing too much on the history between Japan and China, there seemed be considerable bias in this article in China's favour. Perhaps an expert on the field could go through the article to determine whether this is the case. âPreceding unsigned comment added by Indysahota ( talk ⢠contribs) 23:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Query: All of the references to the main article "Nanking Massacre" in this article are called "Rape of Nanking" or "Rape of Nanjing". It seems like the cross-reference links should match the main article title. Otherwise, it's confusing. âPreceding unsigned comment added by Emilyrader ( talk ⢠contribs) 03:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to be largely focused on past relations, can we have a section about the steps the PRC and Japan have taken over the last few years at improving relations? 154.20.102.240 ( talk) 20:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Why not redirect this page to Sino-Japanese relations? That is the more formal way of referring to China when doing so in a manner like so (ie- foreign relations?) Lihaas ( talk) 17:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Regards, -- Â ćĺć°Â | â Talk contribs email 16:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
A major portion of this article was unsupported per WP:V. There were no inline citations nor by bibliographic reference source citations. IMO, the pre-PRC chronological narrative can be safely removed from this article.
Would it be reasonable for this article to begin with the establishment of the PRC? If not, why not?
The pre-PRC material is problematic, but no text has been deleted. It is not visible, but any or all of it can be restored. Retaining this hidden text allows time for others to express opinions ...?
The history of Sino-Japanese relations before the founding of the PRC does have a bearing on the subject, but does it justify restoring the hidden text? IMO, no it does not.
Please note that the section headings have been simplified in a chronology of decades. This structure may not be the best, but it does provide an easy foundation from which a consensus may develop. -- Tenmei ( talk) 19:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Japan to Challenge China on Security November 19, 2011 Wall Street Journal by Yoree Koh, excerpt ...
Japan's prime minister plans to present a subtle challenge to China at a weekend summit by pressing fellow Asian leaders to focus more on maritime security, a discussion opposed by an increasingly assertive Beijing. At the East Asia Summit in Indonesia that starts Saturday, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda will greet leaders from the Philippines, India and Vietnamâall countries that have signed new military pacts with Japan in recent months. Though he is unlikely to confront China directly, Mr. Noda's stance underscores his country's moves to expand security ties with neighbors in a region once highly suspicious of Japan's military role.
99.56.120.136 ( talk) 01:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
The above article is a stub, and I'm proposing it be merged into this article-- Robert Treat ( talk) 07:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC).
http://chinascope.org/main/content/view/5902/104/
Is this sourcing any good WRT future war plans? Hcobb ( talk) 18:08, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
The article is focused on more recent events. Need more emphasis on the ancient relations )(Buddhism's spread, etc). Aalso to note is the Senkaku Iislands and Yasukuni dispute.( Lihaas ( talk) 04:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)).
>?> Africa: China and Japan's Next Battleground?( Lihaas ( talk) 19:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)).
The result of the move request was: Moved by MJ Soquerata. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 19:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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There has been discussion on the pages for both Senkaku Islands and Senkaku Islands Dispute regarding their renaming to Diaoyu, Pinnacle, or other. The result of all of these discussions has been in favor of "Senkaku." See: Talk:Senkaku_Islands, Talk:Senkaku_Islands_dispute. I would maintain that this article, especially where it links to these pages, should follow the nomenclature used there. As such I have changed the references accordingly. If there is ever consensus to change the Senkaku articles to Diaoyu, feel free to change the links here. Until then, don't. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.195.89.249 ( talk) 03:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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In the 3rd paragraph and in some other places, we have references cited as (Xing, 2011), Iechika (2003), and (Fuhrmann, 2016), but I have no idea what these are originally referencing. Can we get the original sources included? Or if we can't find them, cite different sources or list some statements with [citation needed]?
- Takao8 ( Talk) 17:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I am skeptical of the degree to which "Sino-Nippon relations" is actually a thing. It seems rather archaic/obscure. A casual Google search reveals the term in a handful of books (not all of them about international relations), and a JSTOR search of "Sino-Nippon" gives nine results--only two in English. Going again by the JSTOR metric, "Sino-Japanese relations" brings over 2,300 instances, and "China-Japan relations" over 300. Is it accurate to say "Sino-Nippon" is really an alternative term used to refer to China-Japan relations? I feel like the phrase should be deleted (and probably replaced with Sino-Japanese), but would like to hear others' opinions. WhinyTheYounger ( talk) 03:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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This is from a redundant talk page. "Japan-People's Republic of China relations" redirected to "People's Republic of China â Japan relations", but the talk page didn't get redirected. Everything here is years old. -- Sven Manguard ( talk) 05:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
There are more than 700,000 piece Japanese chemical weapons left in China. Chinese civilians have suffered casualties to those weapons to this day. The process of cleaning up has been very slow moving due Japan's lack of funding. This issue should also be explored. Redcloud822 20:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Japan and China may not have had official diplomatic relations prior to the 19th century, but that does not mean they had no relations at all. There needs to be mention here of the Ryukyus in the Edo period, which were formally but secretly controlled by Japan (Satsuma han), and which had direct tributary relations (and strong economic relations) with China. Trade at Nagasaki, though executed by individual merchants and not by the Chinese gov't, should probably be discussed as well. ... Nara/Heian contacts with T'ang China. Hideyoshi's invasions of Korea. There's lots more to be added here. LordAmeth 15:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
A few pictures of Wen Jiabao and Shinzo Abe would help. How can we find something that qualifies as fair use? Colipon+( T) 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Japan pays China a few hundred million each year as war reparations. Its false and misleading to say that Japan hasn't. So far more than 30 billion us dollars has been paid, in addition Japan still gives out finances and other benefits to China such as construction of recent airports and rail systems. http://www.answers.com/topic/anti-japanese-sentiment
This is an defining issue of Sino-Japan relationship, but it is entirely left out here. wonder why? 68.58.41.135 09:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
According to Japan, they never committed any war crimes in China. The only thing worse than a ruthless warmonger is a ruthless warmonger without shame. Erdan 10:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
If I were to pick one event defining China-japan relations, the second sino-Japanese war would be it, eg the war crimes committed by the Japanese military in China and Asia during the 1930;s and 40s. Strangely, this was not included. This event is of extreme historical significance, if not the most and people should be performed about it.
The Japanese military committed some of the world's worst atrocities during the Second Sino Japanese War. At least 30 million people in China alone were killed, massacred, burnt, tortured and in the Nanking Rape, 20 thousand girls and women were raped. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.63.130 ( talk) 02:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I am requesting moving this to the original name, per naming conventions of Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations, so that it will be in line with all other bi-national relations article names. Chris 22:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, this article sure has come a long way since I last commented about it last year... Thank you very much for a job well done. I do have one further concern, however: the current text makes no mention of the Ming Dynasty's hai jin policy, and misrepresents the degree to which Japan was "closed" during the Edo period.
It was the Ming, not Japan, who originally severed relations, as part of their hai jin (澡çŚ, maritime restrictions) policy, and in response to the failure of Japan (which was amidst complete chaos and civil war at the time, under no central authority) to curb the activities of the multi-ethnic, multi-national wokou. Once Japan emulated China and imposed its own maritime restrictions ( kaikin, 澡çŚ), Japan continued to have extensive relations with the Ryukyus and Korea, and indeed with Vietnam, Siam, and other polities as well. Sakoku, seclusion, closed-door, and isolationism are all terms which current scholarship generally reject in describing this period.
I apologize for not making edits myself; I am hoping that, with a little suggestion and prodding, editors with more expertise on Chinese history than myself - I really don't know much about the causes of the hai jin policy or the details of its implementation - will be able to figure out how to work it in better. If there are any questions about the Japanese side of things, I would be happy to try to answer them best as I can. Thank you. LordAmeth 20:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
So, the article is now located at "Japan - People's Republic of China relations", which is more accurate, more appropriate, more unwieldy, and far less commonly used than "Sino-Japanese relations." Plus, the article continues to discuss relations long before the Communist revolution. ... What's to be done? Are we going to revert the name back to the simple, commonly used, and not truly inaccurate version, or are we going to leave this alone and split off the pre-modern stuff to a new article? LordAmeth 13:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I've split the pre-PRC content to Sino-Japanese relations. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 17:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I've started a discussion in Talk:Sino-Japanese relations. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 16:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think this page should be named as Japan-People's Republic of China relations
I think the ordering of "People's Republic of China" and "Japan" is strange. with the following reasons.
1. the long word should not be the first. (at least I learned so, if I arrange some words without alphabetical ordering. though sometimes it may violate the NPOV of WIKIPEDIA.)
2. both names are written in fullname. in Official, Japan is Japan.
3. the alphabetical ordering is Japan and People's Republic of China. (I think this doesn't violate the NPOV in Wikipedia)
I gathered the practices of the common rule in the Internet. "Australia, Costa Rica, Egypt, Mexico, People's Republic of China, Russia and Urkaine" "brazil mexico people's republic of china and russia" "Australia, Canada, India, Malaysia, Mexico, People's Republic of China, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia" the name of "People's Republic of China" can be ordered in the 'P' section of the country lists.
and I searched further at University: the Indiana University [2]. "Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, the Philippines, the People's Republic of China, Russia, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, and Turkey" People's Republic of China is also in the P section. Does "People's Republic of China" show before Japan? no... I'd like to rename People's Republic of China-Japan relations into Japan-People's Republic of China relations?
And I suggest that France-People's Republic of China relations, Germany-People's Republic of China relations, ... should be accepted. (this topic was firstly talked at User talk:Koavf and User talk:Boldlyman with with User:Koavf and User:Boldlyman. Give some comments.-- Boldlyman 23:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The re-orderings make sense to me. John Smith's 15:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from People's Republic of China-Japan relations to Japan-People's Republic of China relations as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 10:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Alright, between the article renaming, the article splitting, and the reverting of the article renaming, the Talk page for the article got split into two, so now here we are.
What happened?
So let's discuss before we do any more article renaming and further mess up the article state. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 16:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Insofar as names are concerned, I think Sino-Japanese relations would work the best, this current title seems too long and awkward. Furthermore, as an outside reader going through the article not knowing too much on the history between Japan and China, there seemed be considerable bias in this article in China's favour. Perhaps an expert on the field could go through the article to determine whether this is the case. âPreceding unsigned comment added by Indysahota ( talk ⢠contribs) 23:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Query: All of the references to the main article "Nanking Massacre" in this article are called "Rape of Nanking" or "Rape of Nanjing". It seems like the cross-reference links should match the main article title. Otherwise, it's confusing. âPreceding unsigned comment added by Emilyrader ( talk ⢠contribs) 03:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to be largely focused on past relations, can we have a section about the steps the PRC and Japan have taken over the last few years at improving relations? 154.20.102.240 ( talk) 20:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Why not redirect this page to Sino-Japanese relations? That is the more formal way of referring to China when doing so in a manner like so (ie- foreign relations?) Lihaas ( talk) 17:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Regards, -- Â ćĺć°Â | â Talk contribs email 16:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
A major portion of this article was unsupported per WP:V. There were no inline citations nor by bibliographic reference source citations. IMO, the pre-PRC chronological narrative can be safely removed from this article.
Would it be reasonable for this article to begin with the establishment of the PRC? If not, why not?
The pre-PRC material is problematic, but no text has been deleted. It is not visible, but any or all of it can be restored. Retaining this hidden text allows time for others to express opinions ...?
The history of Sino-Japanese relations before the founding of the PRC does have a bearing on the subject, but does it justify restoring the hidden text? IMO, no it does not.
Please note that the section headings have been simplified in a chronology of decades. This structure may not be the best, but it does provide an easy foundation from which a consensus may develop. -- Tenmei ( talk) 19:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Japan to Challenge China on Security November 19, 2011 Wall Street Journal by Yoree Koh, excerpt ...
Japan's prime minister plans to present a subtle challenge to China at a weekend summit by pressing fellow Asian leaders to focus more on maritime security, a discussion opposed by an increasingly assertive Beijing. At the East Asia Summit in Indonesia that starts Saturday, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda will greet leaders from the Philippines, India and Vietnamâall countries that have signed new military pacts with Japan in recent months. Though he is unlikely to confront China directly, Mr. Noda's stance underscores his country's moves to expand security ties with neighbors in a region once highly suspicious of Japan's military role.
99.56.120.136 ( talk) 01:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
The above article is a stub, and I'm proposing it be merged into this article-- Robert Treat ( talk) 07:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC).
http://chinascope.org/main/content/view/5902/104/
Is this sourcing any good WRT future war plans? Hcobb ( talk) 18:08, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
The article is focused on more recent events. Need more emphasis on the ancient relations )(Buddhism's spread, etc). Aalso to note is the Senkaku Iislands and Yasukuni dispute.( Lihaas ( talk) 04:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)).
>?> Africa: China and Japan's Next Battleground?( Lihaas ( talk) 19:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)).
The result of the move request was: Moved by MJ Soquerata. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 19:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Sino-Japanese relations â
China-Japan relations â In the interests of consistency, all such relations page are with the alphabetical first country and then the secound country (there is no demonym or other such words) to identify the relations pages.
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There has been discussion on the pages for both Senkaku Islands and Senkaku Islands Dispute regarding their renaming to Diaoyu, Pinnacle, or other. The result of all of these discussions has been in favor of "Senkaku." See: Talk:Senkaku_Islands, Talk:Senkaku_Islands_dispute. I would maintain that this article, especially where it links to these pages, should follow the nomenclature used there. As such I have changed the references accordingly. If there is ever consensus to change the Senkaku articles to Diaoyu, feel free to change the links here. Until then, don't. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.195.89.249 ( talk) 03:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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In the 3rd paragraph and in some other places, we have references cited as (Xing, 2011), Iechika (2003), and (Fuhrmann, 2016), but I have no idea what these are originally referencing. Can we get the original sources included? Or if we can't find them, cite different sources or list some statements with [citation needed]?
- Takao8 ( Talk) 17:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I am skeptical of the degree to which "Sino-Nippon relations" is actually a thing. It seems rather archaic/obscure. A casual Google search reveals the term in a handful of books (not all of them about international relations), and a JSTOR search of "Sino-Nippon" gives nine results--only two in English. Going again by the JSTOR metric, "Sino-Japanese relations" brings over 2,300 instances, and "China-Japan relations" over 300. Is it accurate to say "Sino-Nippon" is really an alternative term used to refer to China-Japan relations? I feel like the phrase should be deleted (and probably replaced with Sino-Japanese), but would like to hear others' opinions. WhinyTheYounger ( talk) 03:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)