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I will be adding more detailed information about her discography in the coming days. It will mostly expand the singles section and add some official chart positions from Billboard.com.
Check out (promotional video link removed), about how she supports the troops. - LtNOWIS 02:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Deleted the pr on the upcoming release of a book for tomorrow. It reads as if she wrote the wikipage for pr. Whoever wrote this entry needs to clean it up/rewrite it -this is not an adpage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.135.217 ( talk) 18:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Interesting debate about k d lang - and I understand the point about not including her in an article about another artist, and I like the new wording (among the first) for Ms. Wright - but just FWIW: k d lang came out in 1992 in an article made public in several Canadian news outlets and in Advocate magazine. She was listed as one of CMT's 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002, which is years after she came out. She did a duet with Roy Orbison in 1998 which was pure country and introduced that way on TV. It seems a bit "underwhelming" to try to say that one of Canada's foremost country singers was not a "major" country western singer. As to the Boston Herald and New York press, those are god sources, but there are many others that deem Lang to have been prior - to wit the Guardian [1] which points out that k d lang came out as one of the earlier stars. 99.192.88.80 ( talk) 15:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I see you restored my edits- which is another reason I don't trust wiki much these days. Seems like a pr machine more than an info site. Whatever. That also gave me a lower opinion of this so called coming out. Well timed publicity- thank God for KD Lang-she was the first to come out- how easily forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.135.217 ( talk) 18:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry but Chely Wright is the first country singer to come out, NOT K.D Lang. All the sources used for the article are correct. People are wanting to say that the article is incorrect when its not. K.D. Lang is not a exclusive country singer, she sings pop too. Actually she sings more pop than country doesn't she? These K.D. Lang fans just keep pushing to have the article say that K.D Lang was first when she wasn't. Actually having K.D Lang in the article is pointless because the article is about Chely Wright, NOT K.D. Lame, I mean K.D Lang. The Fans of K.D Lang need to stop pushing for her inclusion in this article.-- 99.177.250.140 ( talk) 23:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I added the word "American" in front of your entry for Chely Wright as the first to come out. According to the Wiki entry for k.d. lang "Lang ranked #33 on VH-1's 100 Greatest Women in Rock & Roll in 1999 and #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002, one of only eight women to make both lists." seems pretty clear to me who was first... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcinns ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC) ...and you all keep taking it out - whatever - guess Wiki is totally US oriented. 142.68.45.207 ( talk) 21:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The source being two US newspapers - but that doesn't make it US oriented, right? Lang, who came out as a lesbian in a 1992 article of the LGBT-related news magazine The Advocate, has actively championed gay rights causes, lang was #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002, therefor an accurate article would not state that Chely Wright is the first country western artist to come out. My solution was to simply put the word "American" in front of the statement making it clear that Chely is the first American Country Western artist to come out, and it need not mention Ms. Lang at all. To do otherwise simply means Wiki is quoting incorrect US sources who are being xenophobic and not recognizing that there are other countries in the world - countries like Canada where an artists lifestyle is not such a huge deal. 99.192.73.58 ( talk) 10:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Wiki entries are not based on "what most fans think" - they are based on references. The reference to support the contention that kd lang is a Country artist is simple - lang was #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002. If you are saying that what fans feel vs what Country Music Television reports differs, that's fine, but the fact remains that the two US newspapers quoted in the article to support the assertion that Ms Wright is the first "major country artist to come out" (quoted from the entry under discussion) is obviously inaccurate. I simply don't see the big deal about making it completely accurate by adding the one word "American" in front of the other adjectives (country artist). Failing to do that makes the article misleading and opens up all this discussion. If it's that important that Chely be seen as the first, fine - create a blog, but don't simply keep saying that because two US papers can't report a story accurately, and there is documented evidence of a contrary fact that one simply wants to ignore, that your article is correct. If the author is so intent that they wish the article to remain as is and wrong, fine, but it demeans what Wiki stands for. 99.192.73.58 ( talk) 11:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Try to follow the facts: 1. kd lang came out in 1992 - source Advocate 2. kd lang was #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002 3. Chely Wright came out in 2010 4. Any assertion that Chely is the first country artist to come out is simply wrong A possible other correction could be that Chely is the first "solely" country artist, perhaps, but that's not what was reported. Linda Ronstadt used to be categorized as Country, so what? And the assertion that the two US newspapers is xenophobic is meant to not "assert" anything - it is factual that if they report contrary to 1 - 3 above they are simply wrong as well. 99.192.73.58 ( talk) 12:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
OK - I get it - the Chely fan base wants it to be this way - but just so you know - kd lang sang in May 2008 and got the following review: "Lang also showed off her vocal chops as a country singer with a stellar cover of Chris Isaak's Western Stars, which saw her backdrop spring to life as a starry night, and an "old-timey" version of Paydirt, with the singer surrounded by her band in a semi-circle, and the audience clapping along" ( http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Artists/L/Lang_KD/ConcertReviews/2008/06/01/5735311-sun.html) Lang in Canada is considered a country artist, so is Twain, and Neil Young has also released country music (several singles and a couple of whole country albums...) You all are debating whether kd lang is or isn't country, when I have cited several sources stating she is, you all are debating she stopped being country, which was true for a time (due to her hassles against beef - she is a vegetarian) but she continues NOW to be a country artist.You seem to be violating NPOV. Please also see the Wikipedia list at ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category%3ACanadian_country_singers) It isn't ME being the fan type here, I am looking for accuracy and I've given several WP:OR 99.192.56.179 ( talk) 19:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
http://www.tv.com/country-singer-chely-wright-comes-out-as-gay/webnews/74478.html and http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/2010/05/05/chely_wright_isnt_shocking This is not nationalistic, except that you keep saying kd Lang is not a country artist when clearly (and I have given you like a half dozen sites for that) she was and still is. Whatever - keep your little dreams alive - I have mentioned this to a whole whack of people here in Canada, and when I say Chely Wright says she is the first country artist to come out EVERY SINGLE PERSON says "what about kd Lang?" I based my statement (which was "although there is some debate that kd Lang should have that title" behind the Herald reference for those who didn't see it). I am through debating this here - there are so many websites now that state openly that Chely is NOT the first, you go right ahead and keep saying she is and attribute the newspapers (one of which is merely quoting her - the quote by the way is from Larry Katz, an editorial writer for the Herald who said "She claims to be the first openly gay country singer. She’s probably right: Heck, I can’t think of another." - but you're still wrong - and Wikipedia loses. 99.192.55.32 ( talk) 00:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ Right, I understand - the Headline on Broadsheet is "She may be the latest, but she's far from the first LGBT-supporting singer to come out of Nashville" but that doesn't mean anything to you, tv.com says "Wright is being heralded as the first country music star to come out as openly gay – although that claim is a bit questionable."..."authors" like you are why Wiki gets a bad name! Bcinns ( talk) 00:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ whatever- I trust she is paying you well... Bcinns ( talk) 01:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ kd lang was not major: Country Awards: 1990 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Country Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1989 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Country Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1989 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1987 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Country Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1985 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Most Promising Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards Nominations: 2009 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics ARTIST OF THE YEAR Juno Awards 2009 SONG : I Dream Of Spring Lyrics JACK RICHARDSON PRODUCER OF THE YEAR Juno Awards 2004 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Artist of the Year Juno Awards 1994 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Recording Engineer of the Year Juno Awards 1994 SONG : Miss Chatelaine Lyrics Female Vocalist Grammy Awards 1994 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Producer of the Year Juno Awards 1993 SONG : Constant Craving Lyrics Best Art Direction MTV Video Music Awards 1993 SONG : Constant Craving Lyrics Record of the Year Grammy Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Recording Engineer of the Year Juno Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Best Engineered Album Grammy Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1993 SONG : Constant Craving Lyrics Best Cinematography MTV Video Music Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Album of the Year Grammy Awards 1990 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Canadian Entertainer of the Year Juno Awards 1989 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Female Vocalist of the Year Academy of Country Music Awards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcinns ( talk • contribs) 01:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ blah, blah, blah Bcinns ( talk) 01:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+I never said "thank god for kd lang" - typical of your "authoring" to misattribute. Bcinns ( talk) 02:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I would like to second the idea that Chely is not the first Major country & western musician to come out. The first thing I thought when I read that line was "if you don't count K.D. Lang". My opinion doesn't matter much here, but it seems you are insisting Chely has this honor when it is at best questionable. —Preceding
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Please quote a source for the above statement!
99.192.60.92 (
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Actually - the sources do not say that - what the sources all say is that Wright claims to be the first - the Boston Herald actually questions this (read the quotes from above) - there is also some question as to Wright being a "major artist", your cites for the reference #'s 7 and 9 do not use the term "major"; and the New York Times calls Wright a "minor country artist" in their report of the coming out, and they do not quote her claim to be first . Also, what does it matter what happened after Lang came out? Lang, contrary to your opinion, actually was country when she came out in 1992, having won the Grammy for best country artist in 1990 - she became pop in 1993 maybe because she had come out who knows but what happens next is not knowable in Wright's case, so it doesn't matter what happened to anyone else afterwards.
+and I took it out, as I posted it then thought better of it...I menat the "other dude" as the one who commented that they'd second the idea about Lang and I misspoke (which again is why I took it down - only you saw it apparently - kind of shows the lengths you're going to doesn't it)? Re-posting an entry that was deleted by the author (isn't THAT vandalism and disrutive?) even when someone makes a mistake, thanks for that...! Bcinns ( talk) 20:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
+Ironically, it was purely coincidence for the other post (the one before the "ha,ha" one) - I put that post in then thought better of it, because it was rude (and I took it down, but since you put it back I'll just apologize instead, not because I made the comment above (and for the record Halifax is a city of 350,000 people, could there be mnore thabn one poster - hmmmmm...) - but because it's back up there. I've tried all ways to have you see that the entry as it stands is inaccurate, as kd lang was a country artist (I have several dozen sources that say so and showed you a couple) and I suggested putting something in like "American", which would make the entry true, "solely", which would make the entry true, or what about "current"which would also make it true? Your issue is that you haven't got a single source that refers to Lang as a pop artist before she came out in 1992 - if you do, let's see it! You know what - even if you do, does that matter - she definitely WAS a country artist, and she came out, who said anything about it being important that she STILL was country when she came out? (but if that's important give us a source)? You also have accused me twice of being a sockpuppet, and had the decency to apologize once (and are wrong again) , but otherwise you have been most unpleasant to people who admittedly are not used to the way Wiki works. There is a supposition of good faith, right? Enough nonsense, give a source or change the entry.
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You go right ahead and do whatever you feel is correct. I have saved my screen captures where you admit to restoring a post that an author deleted.
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+I see that the latest edit of mine was also removed, I am tired of the conflict, so I won't change it back again, but as there is at least one other interested party - what I wrote was: This claim has been contested. (and the source used was - http://www.moxieq.com/article.php?aID=4778&PHPSESSID=638661752# seems to me we have a source that clearly contradicts what is stated in the article.) I shall be listening to CBC this morning as well, thanks for the tip. Perhaps if others wish to express an opinion on this source...(MoxieQ being a highly respected Gay Rights journal...) Bcinns ( talk) 10:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
+ Thanks for that very civil and understandable explanation - while I might quibble with your description of MoxieQ (it is a very reliable source, in a fun spirit, within the gay community), I see what you mean with your excellent parallel in the sports analogy. This may be what others had in mind when stating that Wright can be, in your words, simultaneously out and a country singer. That I can appreciate, and it makes the historical explanation easier to understand. That is, that kd Lang was a country star who then came out (which is where I was going when I suggested "current" as an adjective for a modifier for Wright's actions that I felt would make the article more accurate), and I must admit I didn't understand why that really would be an issue - your use of simultaneously makes that clear. Thanks for the cogent explanation! Bcinns ( talk) 17:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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If you read Wikipedia:Talk_page#Indentation you will see that comments on discussion pages are supposed to be posted in the order they are made, so the newest one always goes at the bottom. The third example they give, where George is replying to John even after Elliot and Jane have responded shows how indenting is the indicator of who a response is to, not the order. The comments made by Niteshift36 at 23:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC) and 23:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC) were not put at the end and with the proper number of indents as the instruction page shows. I fixed both the indents (or lack thereof) and the order. My changes are correct. 142.177.23.251 ( talk) 00:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following from the article "Canadian singer-songwriter k.d.Lang was active in country music in the 1980s and came out as a lesbian in the early 1990s, but had not gained mainstream acceptance in the genre and had moved to pop music."
This does not belong in a article about Chely Wright because,well this article is about Chely Wright not K.D. Lang. Also I know that when I was reading the article about Chely Wright's personal life it seemed kind of odd and out of place to see a blurb about K.D. Lang. The Fact is that Chely Wright was the first country artist to come out and the 2 of many sources (Boston Herald and New York Daily News) back this up. From what I have read online, K.D Lang did not come out while she was a country singer, she came out when she was a pop singer. I realize that it seems like I am splitting hairs here but technically it is correct that she came out while she was a pop singer.-- BeckiGreen ( talk) 03:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Someone added the K.D. Lang paragraph back in the article and I removed it again. I am not trying to start a edit war but I will keep removing it because it had nothing to do with Chely Wright's personal life. It sticks out like a sore thumb in the article.-- BeckiGreen ( talk) 21:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The chart with the awards is starting to get a little overboard. In broad general terms, if the award isn't notable enough for an article, why is it on here? Niteshift36 ( talk) 12:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
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As the article states, “She pointed a gun into her mouth, but changed her mind before pulling the trigger.” It gives a proper source for it as well. If anyone is looking for even more intense authenticity, you can hear her tell the story in her own voice and words on the “Coffee, Country and Cody” podcast from WSM radio, “Coffee, Country and Cody with Chely Wright” recorded May 28, 2010 and published June 1, 2010. It’s especially intense hearing it from her in her own voice. Another intense moment occurs when Bill Cody reads a short excerpt from her book in which she expresses her reasons for coming out. I think this is a terrific source, but I don’t know how one would cite it or if it is an acceptable source under Wiki policy. Poihths ( talk) 20:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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I will be adding more detailed information about her discography in the coming days. It will mostly expand the singles section and add some official chart positions from Billboard.com.
Check out (promotional video link removed), about how she supports the troops. - LtNOWIS 02:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Deleted the pr on the upcoming release of a book for tomorrow. It reads as if she wrote the wikipage for pr. Whoever wrote this entry needs to clean it up/rewrite it -this is not an adpage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.135.217 ( talk) 18:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Interesting debate about k d lang - and I understand the point about not including her in an article about another artist, and I like the new wording (among the first) for Ms. Wright - but just FWIW: k d lang came out in 1992 in an article made public in several Canadian news outlets and in Advocate magazine. She was listed as one of CMT's 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002, which is years after she came out. She did a duet with Roy Orbison in 1998 which was pure country and introduced that way on TV. It seems a bit "underwhelming" to try to say that one of Canada's foremost country singers was not a "major" country western singer. As to the Boston Herald and New York press, those are god sources, but there are many others that deem Lang to have been prior - to wit the Guardian [1] which points out that k d lang came out as one of the earlier stars. 99.192.88.80 ( talk) 15:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I see you restored my edits- which is another reason I don't trust wiki much these days. Seems like a pr machine more than an info site. Whatever. That also gave me a lower opinion of this so called coming out. Well timed publicity- thank God for KD Lang-she was the first to come out- how easily forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.135.217 ( talk) 18:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry but Chely Wright is the first country singer to come out, NOT K.D Lang. All the sources used for the article are correct. People are wanting to say that the article is incorrect when its not. K.D. Lang is not a exclusive country singer, she sings pop too. Actually she sings more pop than country doesn't she? These K.D. Lang fans just keep pushing to have the article say that K.D Lang was first when she wasn't. Actually having K.D Lang in the article is pointless because the article is about Chely Wright, NOT K.D. Lame, I mean K.D Lang. The Fans of K.D Lang need to stop pushing for her inclusion in this article.-- 99.177.250.140 ( talk) 23:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I added the word "American" in front of your entry for Chely Wright as the first to come out. According to the Wiki entry for k.d. lang "Lang ranked #33 on VH-1's 100 Greatest Women in Rock & Roll in 1999 and #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002, one of only eight women to make both lists." seems pretty clear to me who was first... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcinns ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC) ...and you all keep taking it out - whatever - guess Wiki is totally US oriented. 142.68.45.207 ( talk) 21:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The source being two US newspapers - but that doesn't make it US oriented, right? Lang, who came out as a lesbian in a 1992 article of the LGBT-related news magazine The Advocate, has actively championed gay rights causes, lang was #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002, therefor an accurate article would not state that Chely Wright is the first country western artist to come out. My solution was to simply put the word "American" in front of the statement making it clear that Chely is the first American Country Western artist to come out, and it need not mention Ms. Lang at all. To do otherwise simply means Wiki is quoting incorrect US sources who are being xenophobic and not recognizing that there are other countries in the world - countries like Canada where an artists lifestyle is not such a huge deal. 99.192.73.58 ( talk) 10:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Wiki entries are not based on "what most fans think" - they are based on references. The reference to support the contention that kd lang is a Country artist is simple - lang was #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002. If you are saying that what fans feel vs what Country Music Television reports differs, that's fine, but the fact remains that the two US newspapers quoted in the article to support the assertion that Ms Wright is the first "major country artist to come out" (quoted from the entry under discussion) is obviously inaccurate. I simply don't see the big deal about making it completely accurate by adding the one word "American" in front of the other adjectives (country artist). Failing to do that makes the article misleading and opens up all this discussion. If it's that important that Chely be seen as the first, fine - create a blog, but don't simply keep saying that because two US papers can't report a story accurately, and there is documented evidence of a contrary fact that one simply wants to ignore, that your article is correct. If the author is so intent that they wish the article to remain as is and wrong, fine, but it demeans what Wiki stands for. 99.192.73.58 ( talk) 11:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Try to follow the facts: 1. kd lang came out in 1992 - source Advocate 2. kd lang was #26 on CMT' 40 Greatest Women in Country Music in 2002 3. Chely Wright came out in 2010 4. Any assertion that Chely is the first country artist to come out is simply wrong A possible other correction could be that Chely is the first "solely" country artist, perhaps, but that's not what was reported. Linda Ronstadt used to be categorized as Country, so what? And the assertion that the two US newspapers is xenophobic is meant to not "assert" anything - it is factual that if they report contrary to 1 - 3 above they are simply wrong as well. 99.192.73.58 ( talk) 12:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
OK - I get it - the Chely fan base wants it to be this way - but just so you know - kd lang sang in May 2008 and got the following review: "Lang also showed off her vocal chops as a country singer with a stellar cover of Chris Isaak's Western Stars, which saw her backdrop spring to life as a starry night, and an "old-timey" version of Paydirt, with the singer surrounded by her band in a semi-circle, and the audience clapping along" ( http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Artists/L/Lang_KD/ConcertReviews/2008/06/01/5735311-sun.html) Lang in Canada is considered a country artist, so is Twain, and Neil Young has also released country music (several singles and a couple of whole country albums...) You all are debating whether kd lang is or isn't country, when I have cited several sources stating she is, you all are debating she stopped being country, which was true for a time (due to her hassles against beef - she is a vegetarian) but she continues NOW to be a country artist.You seem to be violating NPOV. Please also see the Wikipedia list at ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category%3ACanadian_country_singers) It isn't ME being the fan type here, I am looking for accuracy and I've given several WP:OR 99.192.56.179 ( talk) 19:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
http://www.tv.com/country-singer-chely-wright-comes-out-as-gay/webnews/74478.html and http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/2010/05/05/chely_wright_isnt_shocking This is not nationalistic, except that you keep saying kd Lang is not a country artist when clearly (and I have given you like a half dozen sites for that) she was and still is. Whatever - keep your little dreams alive - I have mentioned this to a whole whack of people here in Canada, and when I say Chely Wright says she is the first country artist to come out EVERY SINGLE PERSON says "what about kd Lang?" I based my statement (which was "although there is some debate that kd Lang should have that title" behind the Herald reference for those who didn't see it). I am through debating this here - there are so many websites now that state openly that Chely is NOT the first, you go right ahead and keep saying she is and attribute the newspapers (one of which is merely quoting her - the quote by the way is from Larry Katz, an editorial writer for the Herald who said "She claims to be the first openly gay country singer. She’s probably right: Heck, I can’t think of another." - but you're still wrong - and Wikipedia loses. 99.192.55.32 ( talk) 00:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ Right, I understand - the Headline on Broadsheet is "She may be the latest, but she's far from the first LGBT-supporting singer to come out of Nashville" but that doesn't mean anything to you, tv.com says "Wright is being heralded as the first country music star to come out as openly gay – although that claim is a bit questionable."..."authors" like you are why Wiki gets a bad name! Bcinns ( talk) 00:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ whatever- I trust she is paying you well... Bcinns ( talk) 01:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ kd lang was not major: Country Awards: 1990 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Country Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1989 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Country Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1989 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1987 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Country Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1985 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Most Promising Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards Nominations: 2009 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics ARTIST OF THE YEAR Juno Awards 2009 SONG : I Dream Of Spring Lyrics JACK RICHARDSON PRODUCER OF THE YEAR Juno Awards 2004 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Artist of the Year Juno Awards 1994 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Recording Engineer of the Year Juno Awards 1994 SONG : Miss Chatelaine Lyrics Female Vocalist Grammy Awards 1994 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Producer of the Year Juno Awards 1993 SONG : Constant Craving Lyrics Best Art Direction MTV Video Music Awards 1993 SONG : Constant Craving Lyrics Record of the Year Grammy Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Recording Engineer of the Year Juno Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Best Engineered Album Grammy Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Female Vocalist of the Year Juno Awards 1993 SONG : Constant Craving Lyrics Best Cinematography MTV Video Music Awards 1993 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Album of the Year Grammy Awards 1990 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Canadian Entertainer of the Year Juno Awards 1989 ARTIST : K. D. Lang Lyrics Female Vocalist of the Year Academy of Country Music Awards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcinns ( talk • contribs) 01:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+ blah, blah, blah Bcinns ( talk) 01:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
+I never said "thank god for kd lang" - typical of your "authoring" to misattribute. Bcinns ( talk) 02:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I would like to second the idea that Chely is not the first Major country & western musician to come out. The first thing I thought when I read that line was "if you don't count K.D. Lang". My opinion doesn't matter much here, but it seems you are insisting Chely has this honor when it is at best questionable. —Preceding
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Please quote a source for the above statement!
99.192.60.92 (
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20:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually - the sources do not say that - what the sources all say is that Wright claims to be the first - the Boston Herald actually questions this (read the quotes from above) - there is also some question as to Wright being a "major artist", your cites for the reference #'s 7 and 9 do not use the term "major"; and the New York Times calls Wright a "minor country artist" in their report of the coming out, and they do not quote her claim to be first . Also, what does it matter what happened after Lang came out? Lang, contrary to your opinion, actually was country when she came out in 1992, having won the Grammy for best country artist in 1990 - she became pop in 1993 maybe because she had come out who knows but what happens next is not knowable in Wright's case, so it doesn't matter what happened to anyone else afterwards.
+and I took it out, as I posted it then thought better of it...I menat the "other dude" as the one who commented that they'd second the idea about Lang and I misspoke (which again is why I took it down - only you saw it apparently - kind of shows the lengths you're going to doesn't it)? Re-posting an entry that was deleted by the author (isn't THAT vandalism and disrutive?) even when someone makes a mistake, thanks for that...! Bcinns ( talk) 20:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
+Ironically, it was purely coincidence for the other post (the one before the "ha,ha" one) - I put that post in then thought better of it, because it was rude (and I took it down, but since you put it back I'll just apologize instead, not because I made the comment above (and for the record Halifax is a city of 350,000 people, could there be mnore thabn one poster - hmmmmm...) - but because it's back up there. I've tried all ways to have you see that the entry as it stands is inaccurate, as kd lang was a country artist (I have several dozen sources that say so and showed you a couple) and I suggested putting something in like "American", which would make the entry true, "solely", which would make the entry true, or what about "current"which would also make it true? Your issue is that you haven't got a single source that refers to Lang as a pop artist before she came out in 1992 - if you do, let's see it! You know what - even if you do, does that matter - she definitely WAS a country artist, and she came out, who said anything about it being important that she STILL was country when she came out? (but if that's important give us a source)? You also have accused me twice of being a sockpuppet, and had the decency to apologize once (and are wrong again) , but otherwise you have been most unpleasant to people who admittedly are not used to the way Wiki works. There is a supposition of good faith, right? Enough nonsense, give a source or change the entry.
Bcinns (
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20:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
You go right ahead and do whatever you feel is correct. I have saved my screen captures where you admit to restoring a post that an author deleted.
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+I see that the latest edit of mine was also removed, I am tired of the conflict, so I won't change it back again, but as there is at least one other interested party - what I wrote was: This claim has been contested. (and the source used was - http://www.moxieq.com/article.php?aID=4778&PHPSESSID=638661752# seems to me we have a source that clearly contradicts what is stated in the article.) I shall be listening to CBC this morning as well, thanks for the tip. Perhaps if others wish to express an opinion on this source...(MoxieQ being a highly respected Gay Rights journal...) Bcinns ( talk) 10:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
+ Thanks for that very civil and understandable explanation - while I might quibble with your description of MoxieQ (it is a very reliable source, in a fun spirit, within the gay community), I see what you mean with your excellent parallel in the sports analogy. This may be what others had in mind when stating that Wright can be, in your words, simultaneously out and a country singer. That I can appreciate, and it makes the historical explanation easier to understand. That is, that kd Lang was a country star who then came out (which is where I was going when I suggested "current" as an adjective for a modifier for Wright's actions that I felt would make the article more accurate), and I must admit I didn't understand why that really would be an issue - your use of simultaneously makes that clear. Thanks for the cogent explanation! Bcinns ( talk) 17:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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If you read Wikipedia:Talk_page#Indentation you will see that comments on discussion pages are supposed to be posted in the order they are made, so the newest one always goes at the bottom. The third example they give, where George is replying to John even after Elliot and Jane have responded shows how indenting is the indicator of who a response is to, not the order. The comments made by Niteshift36 at 23:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC) and 23:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC) were not put at the end and with the proper number of indents as the instruction page shows. I fixed both the indents (or lack thereof) and the order. My changes are correct. 142.177.23.251 ( talk) 00:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following from the article "Canadian singer-songwriter k.d.Lang was active in country music in the 1980s and came out as a lesbian in the early 1990s, but had not gained mainstream acceptance in the genre and had moved to pop music."
This does not belong in a article about Chely Wright because,well this article is about Chely Wright not K.D. Lang. Also I know that when I was reading the article about Chely Wright's personal life it seemed kind of odd and out of place to see a blurb about K.D. Lang. The Fact is that Chely Wright was the first country artist to come out and the 2 of many sources (Boston Herald and New York Daily News) back this up. From what I have read online, K.D Lang did not come out while she was a country singer, she came out when she was a pop singer. I realize that it seems like I am splitting hairs here but technically it is correct that she came out while she was a pop singer.-- BeckiGreen ( talk) 03:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Someone added the K.D. Lang paragraph back in the article and I removed it again. I am not trying to start a edit war but I will keep removing it because it had nothing to do with Chely Wright's personal life. It sticks out like a sore thumb in the article.-- BeckiGreen ( talk) 21:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The chart with the awards is starting to get a little overboard. In broad general terms, if the award isn't notable enough for an article, why is it on here? Niteshift36 ( talk) 12:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
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There are a few things I think we can tighten around this statement. Firstly, was it chosen by the Lighthouse organization, or some other body? And can we also clarify what factual evidence the local community limit acknowledgement of the LBQT community? Also, I think “acknowledge” is a strange word. You can acknowledge the LBQT community but oppose them. To not acknowledge something is to deny its existence, and that sounds highly unlikely to me. Some clarification and sources would be helpful here. - Aussie Article Writer ( talk) 12:33, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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This article has passed its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of June 11, 2021, compares against the six good article criteria:
Overall, this is an excellent, excellent article. The prose is some of the clearest I've read. The accuracy and sourcing seems impeccable. Though I am not a domain expert, it seems to me that it is quite thorough. The images are tasteful, well chosen and high quality. If not for the structure concerns, I'd be happy to pass this as a GA, although I might actually ask someone with more musical knowledge than I have to see if the musical styles section is thorough enough, so I might need to ask for a second opinion. However, I would like to thank the authors of this article, you have done a wonderful job and even though I have failed this, it was a fascinating and enjoyable article, and a pleasure to read such clear, crisp prose that has been so excellently references. Well done! — Aussie Article Writer ( talk) 13:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
As the article states, “She pointed a gun into her mouth, but changed her mind before pulling the trigger.” It gives a proper source for it as well. If anyone is looking for even more intense authenticity, you can hear her tell the story in her own voice and words on the “Coffee, Country and Cody” podcast from WSM radio, “Coffee, Country and Cody with Chely Wright” recorded May 28, 2010 and published June 1, 2010. It’s especially intense hearing it from her in her own voice. Another intense moment occurs when Bill Cody reads a short excerpt from her book in which she expresses her reasons for coming out. I think this is a terrific source, but I don’t know how one would cite it or if it is an acceptable source under Wiki policy. Poihths ( talk) 20:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)