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The result of the move request was: Moved the two requested pages. I did not perceive a clear verdict on whether Cheddar cheese should be moved to Cheddar (i.e. that the cheese is the primary topic). That could be settled by another move proposal if people still think it's a good idea after reading over all the comments here. EdJohnston ( talk) 22:12, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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– I can't believe this has never been brought up in the (checking here) almost thirteen years of this article's existence. (Seriously, look at the history. It was created just six days after 9/11.) The cheese is almost certainly what most people looking for when they search "Cheddar"; pretty much everywhere outside the UK (and arguably many if not most places within the UK as well, especially if the people in question don't live in the southwest part of the country), whenever the word Cheddar is used, it almost always refers to the cheese. In fact, I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to argue that the disambig page should be kept as is and the Cheddar article should become a redirect to the cheese. Literally millions of people worldwide eat things with Cheddar cheese, while not nearly as many people would know about a relatively small town in England (especially with several larger and better-known cities and towns nearby, such as Bath) without having looked it up first. 128.206.196.188 ( talk) 18:49, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Secondly, what I did say is that "cheddar cheese" is just as redundant as "brie cheese".
If I was searching for the cheese, I would search with cheddar, not cheddar cheese. -- B2 C 23:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Why do you say, "Renaming this article in respect for the cheese..."? Respect? Respect has not been mentioned by anyone supporting this proposal. Respect has nothing to do with it, nor should it. As far as I can tell, "respect" is not one of the criteria we use to decide how to title articles.
Is "respect" for the city why you oppose the move? -- B2 C 04:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
If the result of this discussion is that this use is not primary, and the dab page is moved to Cheddar, then we can address the question of whether the cheese is primary or not.
The other way to have done it is to propose moving the cheese rather than the dab page to the base name, but then both questions would have to be answered affirmatively for the move to go through. There is no easy way to post both questions in an RM in a way that the right moves are made accordingly. So doing it one question/step at a time makes sense. -- B2 C 19:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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Related to this article and the discussion that took place here in 2014, there is a requested move at Talk:Cheddar#Requested move 27 July 2022, proposing to move Cheddar to Cheddar (disambiguation) and make Cheddar redirect to Cheddar cheese. Please participate there if interested. Adumbrativus ( talk) 08:31, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved the two requested pages. I did not perceive a clear verdict on whether Cheddar cheese should be moved to Cheddar (i.e. that the cheese is the primary topic). That could be settled by another move proposal if people still think it's a good idea after reading over all the comments here. EdJohnston ( talk) 22:12, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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– I can't believe this has never been brought up in the (checking here) almost thirteen years of this article's existence. (Seriously, look at the history. It was created just six days after 9/11.) The cheese is almost certainly what most people looking for when they search "Cheddar"; pretty much everywhere outside the UK (and arguably many if not most places within the UK as well, especially if the people in question don't live in the southwest part of the country), whenever the word Cheddar is used, it almost always refers to the cheese. In fact, I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to argue that the disambig page should be kept as is and the Cheddar article should become a redirect to the cheese. Literally millions of people worldwide eat things with Cheddar cheese, while not nearly as many people would know about a relatively small town in England (especially with several larger and better-known cities and towns nearby, such as Bath) without having looked it up first. 128.206.196.188 ( talk) 18:49, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Secondly, what I did say is that "cheddar cheese" is just as redundant as "brie cheese".
If I was searching for the cheese, I would search with cheddar, not cheddar cheese. -- B2 C 23:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Why do you say, "Renaming this article in respect for the cheese..."? Respect? Respect has not been mentioned by anyone supporting this proposal. Respect has nothing to do with it, nor should it. As far as I can tell, "respect" is not one of the criteria we use to decide how to title articles.
Is "respect" for the city why you oppose the move? -- B2 C 04:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
If the result of this discussion is that this use is not primary, and the dab page is moved to Cheddar, then we can address the question of whether the cheese is primary or not.
The other way to have done it is to propose moving the cheese rather than the dab page to the base name, but then both questions would have to be answered affirmatively for the move to go through. There is no easy way to post both questions in an RM in a way that the right moves are made accordingly. So doing it one question/step at a time makes sense. -- B2 C 19:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I am working my way through the Good articles listed at Places; having a quick look to see if they still meet the Good article criteria. I have landed on this article. After I've had a quick look, I'll leave a note here indicating if I have concerns or not.
In general, I see the process as this: 1) Give the article a quick look to see if there are obvious issues: maintenance tags, unsourced sections, excessive media, etc, resolving any minor issues as I do so; 2) If I have concerns, open a GAR to see how serious those concerns are, resolving them myself if they are not serious; 3) If during the GAR I feel that there is significant work to be done (more than I can or am willing to do myself), I will put the GAR on hold and notify the main contributors.
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Related to this article and the discussion that took place here in 2014, there is a requested move at Talk:Cheddar#Requested move 27 July 2022, proposing to move Cheddar to Cheddar (disambiguation) and make Cheddar redirect to Cheddar cheese. Please participate there if interested. Adumbrativus ( talk) 08:31, 27 July 2022 (UTC)