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I propose that we remove the "web oriented" perspective of both Chartreuse (color) and Chartreuse yellow and merge the two articles. I have placed a merge proposal on both pages, directing here, so that people may discuss. Unless there are objections, I will merge them into the yellowish color. SeanAhern ( talk) 00:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Object The two colors Chartreuse (color) and Chartreuse yellow are pure chromas, i.e. pure spectrum colors. They are both at different positions on the color wheel so they should remain separate. Any possible linguistic confusion is exhaustively and adequately covered in the articles. Keraunos ( talk) 10:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this article is seen and presented from a "web" perspective. You have to read a lot to find out this is not the colour that most people call chartreuse, and, to my point of view, is the REAL chartreuse, I mean, since when "web-colours" define what a colour is called by the society? If everybody but computer geeks call chartreuse-yellow chartreuse, that is how it should be called in this article. Or maybe making a dissambiguation page, or a better explaination on the start of the article!
The article sure is strange, but what I find strangest is the idea that Chartreuse as a shade more green than yellow is an invention of web color standards of the early 90’s. For what it’s worth, as a child I heard the word mostly used to describe a color of kitchen appliances that was popular in the 70’s, which was closer to green than yellow. Isn’t it, like most color names, used mostly to refer to a range of shades, not one specific one? Any sufficiently eye-popping yellow-green is called chartreuse to me, anyway. Is it possible we’re dealing with regional differences as well? I live in the US northeast and I have mostly (but not exclusively) encountered the word chartreuse used to refer to greener shades. -- 209.6.159.204 ( talk) 20:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Where I have always lived in California, the color of those appliances that were popular in the 1970s has always been called avocado. Maybe that is because a lot of avocados are grown in California. However, I do think that avocado was the official name of the color of those appliances used by the appliance manufacterers. Keraunos ( talk) 23:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... the last time I checked, Chartreuse was a shade of green. Oh Wikipedia, how you confuse me
Let me see what all the tertiary colors are. They are (I believe) the same in RGB and CMY.
Georgia guy 00:16, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I pulled the colour wheel (and the discussion of it and table of all chromas(!)) and the huge image of a chartreuse field. Those were unnecessary for any purpose this article title could possibly be used for. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been wrong for years about chartreuse, because of that damn crayon. I've finally seen the light. Or the color. Big thanks to whoever explained the Crayola connection! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.211.49.26 ( talk) 23:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know why someone said it was pronounced "car tours", unless it's from some dialect of English I'm not familiar with. I replaced it with the "official" IPA pronunciation, according to dictionary.com. -- Tea and crumpets 17:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Traditional chartreuse or the web color?
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.177.154 ( talk) 10:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey, somebody needs to clean up the first paragraph of this article, it says "it was named for . . . " twice, repeating the same information. I think it could be written better. Please fix it whoever thinks that they can! 128.197.81.26 ( talk) 18:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The OED claims that the first use of "chartreuse" for a colour was "a pale apple-green" in 1884. This contradicts the article, which says that the yellower shade came first, and pre-dates the reference given. (Maybe 1892 was the first use of the word to mean yellow but then it's less traditional!) Can anyone provide a source that explains why yellow is described as the more traditional one here? Nick ( talk) 04:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I've added the citation for green being earlier and reworded the yellow section. Now, it currently seems as though yellow is in fact less traditional. So I'm tempted to remove all use of the word "traditional" from the article. Any objections? The only reason I could see for keeping it is if someone could show that the green definition in fact fell out of use for a long time until it was resurrected in the '90s. Unless we can find a source that says that, it seems that both definitions were current for a long time, thus neither deserves the title of traditional. Nick ( talk) 19:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
As for the pronunciation, I marked the 1st one UK because it's only possible in non-rhotic dialects, of which RP is representative. It's not found in most of the US. — kwami ( talk) 00:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
It appears that the colour clover given in this article is not even close to the same colour on the Flag of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. Which version is correct? Samuell Lift me up or put me down 03:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
That colour has been removed. Keraunos ( talk) 23:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need so many citations of uses of the word "chartreuse" in popular media? I'm for getting rid of all of them. TomS TDotO ( talk) 18:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Object These are important and interesting additions to the color article chartreuse. Keraunos ( talk) 19:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please supply a reason why the article on Chartreuse needs this section about all kinds of shades of green, some very far removed from Chartreuse. Olive? Pistachio? Wouldn't it make more sense to put these in the article shades of green?-- 345Kai ( talk) 20:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, it is stated that the color takes its name from the liqueur. It then says that the greenish variety comes from "green chartreuse" and the yellowish hue from "yellow chartreuse." First of all, when speaking of the liqueur, "chartreuse" should be capitalized; it's a proper noun just like Knob Creek or Benedictine or Kahlua. Secondly, the liqueurs themselves are not called "green Chartreuse" nor "yellow Chartreuse." People refer to them this way when speaking, but the sentence is somewhat ambiguous and seems to suggest that the liqueur itself is called "green/yellow chartreuse." Both types are simply "Chartreuse;" there's a green variety, a yellow variety, and then a third super rare limited type.
Also, can we get any verification on the picture of the glass of Chartreuse? I have both the yellow and green varieties and in that particular photograph the liqueur looks awfully murky. Chartreuse, both green and yellow, is perfectly clear. I'm not sure what's in that glass, but I'm doubtful that it is truly Chartreuse. Patrick of J ( talk) 15:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
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This article leads, and often describes, only the web version of chartreuse. All historical and color theory references to chartreuse have been minimized. Considering chartreuse related to a very real thing (the liqueur) I feel this would be the best lead for the article. Many of the references point not to chartreuse but to optic yellow (neon yellow) or high-visibility yellow. I college level color theory and one observation I have made is that many students have a minor green deficiency and are unable to distinguish certain shades of yellow-green from yellow. You'll find this debate arise quickly when asking a room of people to describe the color of a new tennis ball. Nike markets a hue of optic yellow as 'Nike Volt'. Currently all these colors are listed under the Lime(color) wikipedia page. And the web color chartreuse yellow belongs there. It is a misnomer to place RGB chartreuse (web/x11/etc.) within the article of the color chartreuse, at least don't lead with it.
Anyhow, the point of my comment is web chartreuse should be moved to the Lime (color) page, or be moved down from the top of the article, the page should lead with the dull natural color that is chartreuse.
'Historic colors for reference: ' Robert Ridgway's Color Standards and Color Nomenclature (1912) https://archive.org/stream/mobot31753002026018#page/n85/mode/2up
Pantone: https://www.pantone.com/color-finder?q=chartreuse
67.86.205.176 ( talk) 05:26, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
The article affirms that «The French word chartreuse means "charterhouse". The monasteries that the monks of the Carthusian order (who started producing Chartreuse liqueur in 1764) live in, the first one of which was established in 1082 by Saint Bruno, are called charter houses because they were chartered—and given generous material support—by the Duke of Burgundy known as Philip the Bold…». This is in evident contradiction with the explanation that we can find here: «the English name wrongly suggests that the order was created by charter, a grant of legal rights by a high authority». Lorenzo Norfini ( talk) 08:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC) /info/en/?search=Charterhouse_(monastery) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzo Norfini ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries
If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 15:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
I think the section
#Chartreuse_in_nature should also list the eye-popping Staghorn Lichen growing on pine trees, uniformly a bright pure chartreuse. (Also called wolf lichen or moss.) Striking photos are abundant, but are inadequate to convey the brightness of color.
--
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I came to this page because I realized I didn't know what "chartruese" was. No sample is given; instead, a box with nine (or ten?) different colors is named. Is "chartreuse" not a specific color? Maybe it isn't, but the article says it's "halfway between green and yellow", which sounds like a specific point to me.
Confused by the nine color samples, I used the (i) button to see what I could learn. That just made things worse--I was taken to an article that gives some esoteric wiki-reasoning about how colors are "normalized". Can't this article be made a bit more approachable? -- Mikeblas ( talk) 16:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
It could be said that chartreuse (color) is just light olive (color) (and the other way around), with the same distance or separation as any light and dark pair of color shades of green or blue or purple. Even lacking any specific source supporting this, it’s at least self evident enough to warrant an entry under "See also:", I think. Tuvalkin ( talk) 04:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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while u are all arguing over whether chartreuse is closer to yellow or closer to green, how about the 90% of us who think chartreuse is A SHADE OF PINK?!
this misconception is so pervasive that it is called the "mandela color" (google).
both the aladdin remake and an ep of reno 911 used "chartreuse" to refer to pink clothing.
i came here to see whether maybe a crayon had been MISLABELED back in the 60s or something. where else would so many people (and two studios!) have gotten this idea from? 2601:18A:8080:EA60:113:ADD5:AD40:E3BE ( talk) 19:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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I propose that we remove the "web oriented" perspective of both Chartreuse (color) and Chartreuse yellow and merge the two articles. I have placed a merge proposal on both pages, directing here, so that people may discuss. Unless there are objections, I will merge them into the yellowish color. SeanAhern ( talk) 00:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Object The two colors Chartreuse (color) and Chartreuse yellow are pure chromas, i.e. pure spectrum colors. They are both at different positions on the color wheel so they should remain separate. Any possible linguistic confusion is exhaustively and adequately covered in the articles. Keraunos ( talk) 10:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this article is seen and presented from a "web" perspective. You have to read a lot to find out this is not the colour that most people call chartreuse, and, to my point of view, is the REAL chartreuse, I mean, since when "web-colours" define what a colour is called by the society? If everybody but computer geeks call chartreuse-yellow chartreuse, that is how it should be called in this article. Or maybe making a dissambiguation page, or a better explaination on the start of the article!
The article sure is strange, but what I find strangest is the idea that Chartreuse as a shade more green than yellow is an invention of web color standards of the early 90’s. For what it’s worth, as a child I heard the word mostly used to describe a color of kitchen appliances that was popular in the 70’s, which was closer to green than yellow. Isn’t it, like most color names, used mostly to refer to a range of shades, not one specific one? Any sufficiently eye-popping yellow-green is called chartreuse to me, anyway. Is it possible we’re dealing with regional differences as well? I live in the US northeast and I have mostly (but not exclusively) encountered the word chartreuse used to refer to greener shades. -- 209.6.159.204 ( talk) 20:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Where I have always lived in California, the color of those appliances that were popular in the 1970s has always been called avocado. Maybe that is because a lot of avocados are grown in California. However, I do think that avocado was the official name of the color of those appliances used by the appliance manufacterers. Keraunos ( talk) 23:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... the last time I checked, Chartreuse was a shade of green. Oh Wikipedia, how you confuse me
Let me see what all the tertiary colors are. They are (I believe) the same in RGB and CMY.
Georgia guy 00:16, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I pulled the colour wheel (and the discussion of it and table of all chromas(!)) and the huge image of a chartreuse field. Those were unnecessary for any purpose this article title could possibly be used for. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been wrong for years about chartreuse, because of that damn crayon. I've finally seen the light. Or the color. Big thanks to whoever explained the Crayola connection! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.211.49.26 ( talk) 23:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know why someone said it was pronounced "car tours", unless it's from some dialect of English I'm not familiar with. I replaced it with the "official" IPA pronunciation, according to dictionary.com. -- Tea and crumpets 17:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Traditional chartreuse or the web color?
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.177.154 ( talk) 10:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey, somebody needs to clean up the first paragraph of this article, it says "it was named for . . . " twice, repeating the same information. I think it could be written better. Please fix it whoever thinks that they can! 128.197.81.26 ( talk) 18:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The OED claims that the first use of "chartreuse" for a colour was "a pale apple-green" in 1884. This contradicts the article, which says that the yellower shade came first, and pre-dates the reference given. (Maybe 1892 was the first use of the word to mean yellow but then it's less traditional!) Can anyone provide a source that explains why yellow is described as the more traditional one here? Nick ( talk) 04:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I've added the citation for green being earlier and reworded the yellow section. Now, it currently seems as though yellow is in fact less traditional. So I'm tempted to remove all use of the word "traditional" from the article. Any objections? The only reason I could see for keeping it is if someone could show that the green definition in fact fell out of use for a long time until it was resurrected in the '90s. Unless we can find a source that says that, it seems that both definitions were current for a long time, thus neither deserves the title of traditional. Nick ( talk) 19:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
As for the pronunciation, I marked the 1st one UK because it's only possible in non-rhotic dialects, of which RP is representative. It's not found in most of the US. — kwami ( talk) 00:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
It appears that the colour clover given in this article is not even close to the same colour on the Flag of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. Which version is correct? Samuell Lift me up or put me down 03:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
That colour has been removed. Keraunos ( talk) 23:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need so many citations of uses of the word "chartreuse" in popular media? I'm for getting rid of all of them. TomS TDotO ( talk) 18:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Object These are important and interesting additions to the color article chartreuse. Keraunos ( talk) 19:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please supply a reason why the article on Chartreuse needs this section about all kinds of shades of green, some very far removed from Chartreuse. Olive? Pistachio? Wouldn't it make more sense to put these in the article shades of green?-- 345Kai ( talk) 20:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, it is stated that the color takes its name from the liqueur. It then says that the greenish variety comes from "green chartreuse" and the yellowish hue from "yellow chartreuse." First of all, when speaking of the liqueur, "chartreuse" should be capitalized; it's a proper noun just like Knob Creek or Benedictine or Kahlua. Secondly, the liqueurs themselves are not called "green Chartreuse" nor "yellow Chartreuse." People refer to them this way when speaking, but the sentence is somewhat ambiguous and seems to suggest that the liqueur itself is called "green/yellow chartreuse." Both types are simply "Chartreuse;" there's a green variety, a yellow variety, and then a third super rare limited type.
Also, can we get any verification on the picture of the glass of Chartreuse? I have both the yellow and green varieties and in that particular photograph the liqueur looks awfully murky. Chartreuse, both green and yellow, is perfectly clear. I'm not sure what's in that glass, but I'm doubtful that it is truly Chartreuse. Patrick of J ( talk) 15:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
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This article leads, and often describes, only the web version of chartreuse. All historical and color theory references to chartreuse have been minimized. Considering chartreuse related to a very real thing (the liqueur) I feel this would be the best lead for the article. Many of the references point not to chartreuse but to optic yellow (neon yellow) or high-visibility yellow. I college level color theory and one observation I have made is that many students have a minor green deficiency and are unable to distinguish certain shades of yellow-green from yellow. You'll find this debate arise quickly when asking a room of people to describe the color of a new tennis ball. Nike markets a hue of optic yellow as 'Nike Volt'. Currently all these colors are listed under the Lime(color) wikipedia page. And the web color chartreuse yellow belongs there. It is a misnomer to place RGB chartreuse (web/x11/etc.) within the article of the color chartreuse, at least don't lead with it.
Anyhow, the point of my comment is web chartreuse should be moved to the Lime (color) page, or be moved down from the top of the article, the page should lead with the dull natural color that is chartreuse.
'Historic colors for reference: ' Robert Ridgway's Color Standards and Color Nomenclature (1912) https://archive.org/stream/mobot31753002026018#page/n85/mode/2up
Pantone: https://www.pantone.com/color-finder?q=chartreuse
67.86.205.176 ( talk) 05:26, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
The article affirms that «The French word chartreuse means "charterhouse". The monasteries that the monks of the Carthusian order (who started producing Chartreuse liqueur in 1764) live in, the first one of which was established in 1082 by Saint Bruno, are called charter houses because they were chartered—and given generous material support—by the Duke of Burgundy known as Philip the Bold…». This is in evident contradiction with the explanation that we can find here: «the English name wrongly suggests that the order was created by charter, a grant of legal rights by a high authority». Lorenzo Norfini ( talk) 08:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC) /info/en/?search=Charterhouse_(monastery) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzo Norfini ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Entries in List of colors: G–M contained links to this page.
The entry is :
I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries
If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 15:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
I think the section
#Chartreuse_in_nature should also list the eye-popping Staghorn Lichen growing on pine trees, uniformly a bright pure chartreuse. (Also called wolf lichen or moss.) Striking photos are abundant, but are inadequate to convey the brightness of color.
--
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I came to this page because I realized I didn't know what "chartruese" was. No sample is given; instead, a box with nine (or ten?) different colors is named. Is "chartreuse" not a specific color? Maybe it isn't, but the article says it's "halfway between green and yellow", which sounds like a specific point to me.
Confused by the nine color samples, I used the (i) button to see what I could learn. That just made things worse--I was taken to an article that gives some esoteric wiki-reasoning about how colors are "normalized". Can't this article be made a bit more approachable? -- Mikeblas ( talk) 16:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
It could be said that chartreuse (color) is just light olive (color) (and the other way around), with the same distance or separation as any light and dark pair of color shades of green or blue or purple. Even lacking any specific source supporting this, it’s at least self evident enough to warrant an entry under "See also:", I think. Tuvalkin ( talk) 04:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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while u are all arguing over whether chartreuse is closer to yellow or closer to green, how about the 90% of us who think chartreuse is A SHADE OF PINK?!
this misconception is so pervasive that it is called the "mandela color" (google).
both the aladdin remake and an ep of reno 911 used "chartreuse" to refer to pink clothing.
i came here to see whether maybe a crayon had been MISLABELED back in the 60s or something. where else would so many people (and two studios!) have gotten this idea from? 2601:18A:8080:EA60:113:ADD5:AD40:E3BE ( talk) 19:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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