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Note that there may have to be some rejigging as well. Also, it's possible to do what is standard for military figures and include images representing all of his awards, united in a single section (see Christian F. Schilt for instance) — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 22:41, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Let me briefly address you points one by one:
The article says he was an only child, but he did have 16 siblings from his father's other wives. I remember visiting the Lindberg house in Little Falls, MN as a child and being shocked at the size of the family. I did look this up and did find his father's page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_August_Lindbergh
65.126.92.170 (
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I think you are confusing this Charles the aviator with his father Charles the Congressman
76.237.1.4 (
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Just a note, in case my edit summary is missed: the sentence "It would not take long for him to be presented with the circumstances to prove how seriously he took this obligation." is inherently non-neutral (hagiographic, rather) and draws its own conclusions regarding Lindbergh's motivations and actions. Please provide a source which uses the same events to make the same points, otherwise this is OR. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 06:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I see most of my stylistic improvements to this article have been undone. There is some good stuff here but it does need a bit of help with the writing style. I have also added a tag as I think the In popular culture section is bloated and almost entirely unreferenced to third party sources. It could do with a good trim. -- John ( talk) 20:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
The cruft about FDR thinking he was a Nazi etc. is WP:UNDUE as the section is pretty large to begin with. The bit about "bootlegging" is totally unwarranted in this biography. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 14:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
There seem to be whole sections of his life missing, including his 7,000 mile tour of South America in late 1929, his tour of Asia in the Sirius and the subsequent North Atlantic-Europe-Africa-South America tour also in the Sirius. Were they deemed not relevent or have they just not been written yet? 74.100.89.18 ( talk) 14:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I heard stories from my father that Lindbergh flew bootleg whiskey out of Nebraska into Kansas because Kansas was a dry state at that time. Just another way to make a few extra dollars along with his barnstorming. I was just wondering if anyone else had ever heard about this. Knowing my dad, I have no doubt that he was telling the truth and that he knew Lindbergh during his stay in the area. Mouse1014 ( talk) 10:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Not a word about Lindbergh's three families in Germany, and the children he fathered with his three bigamous wives? Surprising. And no, it's not a tin-hat conspiracist's theory. See the book "Lindbergh's Secret Life," though it has not yet been translated from German into English. DZNA testing hs proven the relationship of the "secret children" to their father. Also amply reported in the New York Times. 173.62.11.254 ( talk) 00:28, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
There is evidence that Lindbergh fathered a child with his wife's sister based on family correspondence. The letters are currently in a private collection and will be part of an upcoming book. Hopefully, once the book or letters are published, this information will be included on this site. More of a head's up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.210.242 ( talk) 23:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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In the section under "Movies and TV", I added a reference to an episode of the NBC time-travel drama "Timeless" that featured Lindbergh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmiller0122 ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
In the New York-Paris Flight section it's stated that the aircraft carried 450 US gallons of fuel, and weighed 2,710 lbs. Avgas is 6 lbs/gallon, so 450 gallons would weight 2,700lbs, leaving 10 lbs for the weight of aircraft and pilot, which seems unlikely! Either the sentence is poorly worded and 2,710 lbs is meant to be the empty weight of the aircraft, and it actually weighed twice that on take off, or it's a simple mistake. It's not clear what the source for the information is.
We would need to know which earlier ‘stopping’ flights (if any) were classified as translatlantic records, and in which category. Were they re-fuelling on aircraft carriers? Were they stopping-off in Greenland or Iceland? How many stops were permitted? We would need references, otherwise ‘non-stop’ has no significance. Valetude ( talk) 23:26, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
At the present New York is UTC-5 and France is UTC+1 (if I have correctly understood the relevant WIKI article). The difference 6 leads to a flight of 32.5 hours. I suppose that at the time France was UTC. A footnote seems useful. pietro 151.29.25.24 ( talk) 10:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
My Grandpa, Delbert Wilson was a "Jack of all trades". People came to him with their motors, be it motor cycles, autos, trucks. Just anything with a motor. Well, in town, Eagle Lake MN, was a man named, Mr Miller who had an airplane and he, of course, knew my Grandpa. One day, he came to Grandpa's home and asked him to come help a friend of his in Madison Lake who had a plane that needed some maintenance. Here it was Mr. Charles Lindbergh himself. Grandpa fixed his engine and even got it to go a little faster! or so the story goes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.254.191.159 ( talk) 17:50, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
On 18/4/19, I suggested that Lindbergh’s notability should be more precisely defined in the lede. This was reverted by Centpacrr.
Lindbergh’s notability was to have achieved the first non-stop solo transatlantic flight. A secondary issue was his winning the Orteig Prize, which specified Paris and New York as the terminals. And a poor third is that the record was won by such a young man.
I feel that only the first claim is ledeworthy. Valetude ( talk) 11:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Did he? When, doing what? 159.196.13.219 ( talk) 11:54, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
this line: "Lindbergh seemed to state that he believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe: "Our bond with Europe is one of race and not of political ideology", he declared." seems to be incredibly cherrypicked when looked at the source. yes he speaks of the survival of the white race but this is in the context of when it would face destruction, in fact, the speech from which this quote is is a speech advocating for peace, political progress will follow, and the futility of fighting eachother because of political ideology as was demonstrated to us in the last war. to frame this as, the man cared more about the white race rather than the survival of democracy in europe is a gross twist of the words he wrote and or spoke. i think this line should either be massively expanded and the nuance properly imported from the source or it should outright be removed as right now it is more akin to slander and an attempt to portray him as a nazi rather than an attempt to display what he actually said.
It seems his eugenicists views should be featured more prominently, maybe in the first paragraph. Roondog14 ( talk) 05:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The article jumps from Lindbergh being an airmail pilot to seeking financing for a transatlantic attempt. There seems nothing to bridge that gap. Did he land after an air mail flight and think "that was fun, I should try to fly the Atlantic". Surely he must have learned of the Orteig prize somewhere. Accomplishing the feat must have required considerable strength of will, so there must have been something to motivate him. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 04:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the article was a mishmash of the most important information, but it lacked organization. Therefore I have split it as follows.
Put focus on Lindbergh in the first paragraph. Kept the tombstone data. Stated the facts of Lindbergh's flight in the second sentence. Described his aircraft and the reason for the flight in the third sentence.
Put Lindbergh's achievement into perspective in the second paragraph. Alluded to competing fliers and other attempts. Acknowledged the prior crossing by Alcock and Brown. Stated, briefly, the significance of Lindbergh's flight and the effect on aviation. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 22:41, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
The statement that Lindberg made the first flight between major city hubs requires clarification. The Orteig prize was specifically for a flight between Paris and New York. Paris and Berlin could be considered major city hubs, or Paris-Rome. Certainly there had been flights between Paris and London many years earlier.
If it must be specifically a transatlantic flight there are also alternatives to Paris and New York. Montréal-Madrid would qualify, and so would Cape Town-Rio de Janeiro.
Therefore I think it best to say that he made the first flight between Paris and New York and leave it at that rather than mentioning "major city hubs". Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 03:21, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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Note that there may have to be some rejigging as well. Also, it's possible to do what is standard for military figures and include images representing all of his awards, united in a single section (see Christian F. Schilt for instance) — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 22:41, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Let me briefly address you points one by one:
The article says he was an only child, but he did have 16 siblings from his father's other wives. I remember visiting the Lindberg house in Little Falls, MN as a child and being shocked at the size of the family. I did look this up and did find his father's page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_August_Lindbergh
65.126.92.170 (
talk) 15:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you are confusing this Charles the aviator with his father Charles the Congressman
76.237.1.4 (
talk)
04:43, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Just a note, in case my edit summary is missed: the sentence "It would not take long for him to be presented with the circumstances to prove how seriously he took this obligation." is inherently non-neutral (hagiographic, rather) and draws its own conclusions regarding Lindbergh's motivations and actions. Please provide a source which uses the same events to make the same points, otherwise this is OR. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 06:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I see most of my stylistic improvements to this article have been undone. There is some good stuff here but it does need a bit of help with the writing style. I have also added a tag as I think the In popular culture section is bloated and almost entirely unreferenced to third party sources. It could do with a good trim. -- John ( talk) 20:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
The cruft about FDR thinking he was a Nazi etc. is WP:UNDUE as the section is pretty large to begin with. The bit about "bootlegging" is totally unwarranted in this biography. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 14:08, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
There seem to be whole sections of his life missing, including his 7,000 mile tour of South America in late 1929, his tour of Asia in the Sirius and the subsequent North Atlantic-Europe-Africa-South America tour also in the Sirius. Were they deemed not relevent or have they just not been written yet? 74.100.89.18 ( talk) 14:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I heard stories from my father that Lindbergh flew bootleg whiskey out of Nebraska into Kansas because Kansas was a dry state at that time. Just another way to make a few extra dollars along with his barnstorming. I was just wondering if anyone else had ever heard about this. Knowing my dad, I have no doubt that he was telling the truth and that he knew Lindbergh during his stay in the area. Mouse1014 ( talk) 10:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Not a word about Lindbergh's three families in Germany, and the children he fathered with his three bigamous wives? Surprising. And no, it's not a tin-hat conspiracist's theory. See the book "Lindbergh's Secret Life," though it has not yet been translated from German into English. DZNA testing hs proven the relationship of the "secret children" to their father. Also amply reported in the New York Times. 173.62.11.254 ( talk) 00:28, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
There is evidence that Lindbergh fathered a child with his wife's sister based on family correspondence. The letters are currently in a private collection and will be part of an upcoming book. Hopefully, once the book or letters are published, this information will be included on this site. More of a head's up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.210.242 ( talk) 23:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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In the section under "Movies and TV", I added a reference to an episode of the NBC time-travel drama "Timeless" that featured Lindbergh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmiller0122 ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
In the New York-Paris Flight section it's stated that the aircraft carried 450 US gallons of fuel, and weighed 2,710 lbs. Avgas is 6 lbs/gallon, so 450 gallons would weight 2,700lbs, leaving 10 lbs for the weight of aircraft and pilot, which seems unlikely! Either the sentence is poorly worded and 2,710 lbs is meant to be the empty weight of the aircraft, and it actually weighed twice that on take off, or it's a simple mistake. It's not clear what the source for the information is.
We would need to know which earlier ‘stopping’ flights (if any) were classified as translatlantic records, and in which category. Were they re-fuelling on aircraft carriers? Were they stopping-off in Greenland or Iceland? How many stops were permitted? We would need references, otherwise ‘non-stop’ has no significance. Valetude ( talk) 23:26, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
At the present New York is UTC-5 and France is UTC+1 (if I have correctly understood the relevant WIKI article). The difference 6 leads to a flight of 32.5 hours. I suppose that at the time France was UTC. A footnote seems useful. pietro 151.29.25.24 ( talk) 10:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
My Grandpa, Delbert Wilson was a "Jack of all trades". People came to him with their motors, be it motor cycles, autos, trucks. Just anything with a motor. Well, in town, Eagle Lake MN, was a man named, Mr Miller who had an airplane and he, of course, knew my Grandpa. One day, he came to Grandpa's home and asked him to come help a friend of his in Madison Lake who had a plane that needed some maintenance. Here it was Mr. Charles Lindbergh himself. Grandpa fixed his engine and even got it to go a little faster! or so the story goes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.254.191.159 ( talk) 17:50, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
On 18/4/19, I suggested that Lindbergh’s notability should be more precisely defined in the lede. This was reverted by Centpacrr.
Lindbergh’s notability was to have achieved the first non-stop solo transatlantic flight. A secondary issue was his winning the Orteig Prize, which specified Paris and New York as the terminals. And a poor third is that the record was won by such a young man.
I feel that only the first claim is ledeworthy. Valetude ( talk) 11:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Did he? When, doing what? 159.196.13.219 ( talk) 11:54, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
this line: "Lindbergh seemed to state that he believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe: "Our bond with Europe is one of race and not of political ideology", he declared." seems to be incredibly cherrypicked when looked at the source. yes he speaks of the survival of the white race but this is in the context of when it would face destruction, in fact, the speech from which this quote is is a speech advocating for peace, political progress will follow, and the futility of fighting eachother because of political ideology as was demonstrated to us in the last war. to frame this as, the man cared more about the white race rather than the survival of democracy in europe is a gross twist of the words he wrote and or spoke. i think this line should either be massively expanded and the nuance properly imported from the source or it should outright be removed as right now it is more akin to slander and an attempt to portray him as a nazi rather than an attempt to display what he actually said.
It seems his eugenicists views should be featured more prominently, maybe in the first paragraph. Roondog14 ( talk) 05:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The article jumps from Lindbergh being an airmail pilot to seeking financing for a transatlantic attempt. There seems nothing to bridge that gap. Did he land after an air mail flight and think "that was fun, I should try to fly the Atlantic". Surely he must have learned of the Orteig prize somewhere. Accomplishing the feat must have required considerable strength of will, so there must have been something to motivate him. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 04:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the article was a mishmash of the most important information, but it lacked organization. Therefore I have split it as follows.
Put focus on Lindbergh in the first paragraph. Kept the tombstone data. Stated the facts of Lindbergh's flight in the second sentence. Described his aircraft and the reason for the flight in the third sentence.
Put Lindbergh's achievement into perspective in the second paragraph. Alluded to competing fliers and other attempts. Acknowledged the prior crossing by Alcock and Brown. Stated, briefly, the significance of Lindbergh's flight and the effect on aviation. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 22:41, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
The statement that Lindberg made the first flight between major city hubs requires clarification. The Orteig prize was specifically for a flight between Paris and New York. Paris and Berlin could be considered major city hubs, or Paris-Rome. Certainly there had been flights between Paris and London many years earlier.
If it must be specifically a transatlantic flight there are also alternatives to Paris and New York. Montréal-Madrid would qualify, and so would Cape Town-Rio de Janeiro.
Therefore I think it best to say that he made the first flight between Paris and New York and leave it at that rather than mentioning "major city hubs". Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 03:21, 22 September 2022 (UTC)