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Kao's birth place should be strictly according to the official website of the Nobel Foundation, and should be indicated as only Shanghai, China (current place/city and country).
Otherwise the case would be very difficult to verify and discuss. And it's also the same for the other numerous Nobel Laureates.
For example, some Indian Laureates were born in British India (now India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh). And, especially for some European Laureates, it's very complicated, such as some Laureates were born in Austro-Hungarian Empire, German Empire, Russian Empire (such as once including today's Poland), and so on, but now they are different countries.
For example: Nobel Laureate Rabindranath Tagore was born and lived in British India, the official webpage of Nobel Foundation indicates him as " India" (today's India) in residence, instead of " British India". Please see: The Nobel Prize in Literature 1913 Rabindranath Tagore ( Hriuiov vv ( talk) 01:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC))
Let me sum up the few arguments listed for avoid mention the country name (Republic of China) at the time:
Since there is no response for weeks, I am going to correct the country name to the time aligned to the event. If anyone can think of any reason why we must not mention the name of the country at the time that hasn't mentioned above, please feel to contribute. International Common Editor ( talk) 03:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Example articles using country names that correspond correctly to the time of the birth/death:
Example articles | Birth Place on article | Death Place | Notes |
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Gandhi | British India | Union of India | 5 times Nobel nominates, while both birth/death places could be replaced w/ India, the current name give a clearer indication. |
Thích Quảng Đức | French Indochina | Republic of Vietnam | rationale as above |
Syngman Rhee | Joseon Korea | United States | 1st President of South Korea, his birth pre-date the founding of both modern Koreas (North & South) . |
Václav Havel | Czechoslovakia(now Czech Republic) | - | 10th President of Czechoslovakia, 1st President of the Czech Republic |
Georg Cantor | Saint Petersburg, Russian Empire (now Russia) | Province of Saxony, German Empire (now Germany) | mathematician |
So in this article, while the ambiguous "China" is technically not wrong, using the correct name of the time (Republic of China) could give readers a better sense of history. It also present an important fact, Dr Kao was not born in People's Republic of China which the country that "China" is commonly referring to. International Common Editor ( talk) 21:32, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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Kao received BSc and PhD both from University London (more precisely, @ the University of London External System). However, nowadays, few would say "my alma mater is University London External System". Normally biographies trace back to alumni's constituent colleges.
Such as in the case of this article, Kao's PhD education was from the University College London, though he was an external student (the University of London External System) when working during that time and his PhD diploma was granted by generally the University of London.
So, follow the same illustration, Kao's undergraduate alma mater is more appropriate to write as the Woolwich Polytechnic or the current University of Greenwich, though Kao's BSc diploma was also granted by generally the University of London.
In fact in these cases, "alma mater University of London" or "alma mater University of London External System" has much less sense than actual colleges.
Please also see Kao's own biography also in Simplified Chinese version (assisted by my colleague):
We hope those HongKongers are clear about this point. ( Alice Muller ( talk) 03:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC))
The flag templates (such as United Kingdom and United States) have been deployed in many Wikipedia articles, particularly in the infoboxes. Those flag templates are good for indicating the nationality and the place of birth of the person to which the article pertains. I think these templates should stay in the infobox in this article. I just don't understand why some Wikipedians delete the contributions of others immediately and repeatedly without even discussing about that on the talk page. I see this massive, repetitive deletion as a form of vandalism. Please stop that. - Alan ( talk) 14:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Charles kao was once Vice President. He was named executive scientist. He established the electronics department and won a Draper prize for engineering. Kao published a paper on Fibre optics which won him a prize. He joined an ITT lab in London to help with his career.
Kao has the citizenship of Hong Kong SAR. ( Alex Needham ( talk) 13:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
End the story please, Mr. Nobel already told us more than 100yr ago, nationality is not important, is not considered! ( Allowrocks2003040957 ( talk) 20:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
Is that possible Kao also has Taiwan citizenship? My reason is he's also a member but not a FOREIGN MEMBER of Academia Sinica. If so, he would have four citizenships: USA, UK, HK, TW. ( O0'''lien ( talk) 21:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC))
I think Alex is right, when you mention 'citizenship' like 'Kao has Hong Kong citizenship', it's also quite approperiate; but when you mention 'nationality' then it's wrong. A citizenship=/=nationality, just like there's 'honorary citizen/citizenship', there's nearly no honorary 'nationality'. ( LimoMoMoLg ( talk) 13:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC))
Why is he in that category? -- Duncan ( talk) 18:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I work in the Inmperial College Alumni Department and Charles Kao did not complete his PhD here, but at UCL. He did hold a visiting professorship here, which is probably where the confusion is arising from. For a source I recommend contacting the UCL alumni depatment, who will be able to verify whether he is an alumni of that college. Hope this is helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.198.220.139 ( talk) 09:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
From the source [10] Honorary Professors Professor KAO, Charles Kuen (高錕教授) CBE; BSc, PhD(Lond.); DSc(CUHK); DSc(Sus.); Doctorate(Soka); DEng(Glas.); DSc(Durh.); DUniv(Griff.); DTE(Padova); DSc(Hull.); DSc(Yale); FEng; FRS; FIEEE; FIEE; FHKIE; FNAE; Academican, Chinese Acad. of Sc.; Academician, Academia Scinica, Taipei
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Could we drop the protection as soon as the edit war is over? We're loosing out on a lot of improvement by having it protected now. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Also "Kao Kuen" is neither the Mandarin nor Cantonese pronunciation of his name. Its current location after the Hanji implies that it is one or the other. 74.101.177.155 ( talk) 17:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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Probably, a full protection till the 8th October would be too long, I mean the duration. Is there any Administrator can pay a little bit attention on this? ( Buhuzu ( talk) 22:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
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Some materials about Kao's family, from Jinshan, Shanghai.
Kao was born in a big family in Chang-Yan Village (Zhangyan Village, 張堰鎮) of Jinshan, Shanghai. His grandfather was Kao Choi-Wan (Gao Chuiwan, 高吹萬), a famous poet, revolutionary, literator, and was a key figure of Nan Society (South Society, 南社) in late Qing Dynasty.
His father's uncle was astronomer Ping-Tse Kao (高平子, Kao Crater is named after him).
The famous writer Kao Hsu (Gao Xu, 高旭) was also from his extended family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Once a week ( talk • contribs) 2009-10-06T22:29:35 (UTC)
Another 高吹萬 nephew is 姚光 Yao Guang, a historian, revolutionary, writer. Matthew_hk t c 20:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I just got permission for two photos of Kao. I recommend the the first one, but here are cropped versions of both.
Check out the uncropped versions if anyone wants to do a better crop or do something about the red eyes. OTRS confirmation is pending. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 22:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone who is fluent in the English language rewrite this article so that it is not so linguistically roughhewn? It is very difficult to read a scientific article in children's English... Stevenmitchell ( talk) 13:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
He did research in US and HK, non of them notable?! Matthew_hk t c 20:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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The article need to be clean up on reference. The flood of low quality pirate link of news article should be removed, according to the policy of wikipedia on not spreading copyvio link. As well as those pirate version, should be double checked with newspaper archive (such as 慧科, which i did not had membership) to verify that even the online version are pirated version, they are still true c&p. The link affected would be eastday.com (claiming copied from Youth Daily) and networkchinese.com (claiming copied from Ming Pao).
For other ref, this ref, according to the version in Wayback Machine, had nothing to do with the content, which probably a spam link, but did not discover until today. I am not sure there is other spam link existed in this article or not. Matthew_hk t c 21:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Clithering:, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Context. Kao spent childhood in Shanghai, China (or in foreign concessions) as ethnic Chinese, secondary education in Hong Kong as ethnic Chinese and probably had right of abode, spent his uni education, marriage and his groundbreaking paper in UK as UK citizen, spent a while back to Hong Kong as professor, spent a long time in US as US citizen, back to Hong Kong as head of uni and then business career, spent his retirement in California , US and then Hong Kong. I don't see there is relevant to list Hong Kong only. Hongkong-British-American may be good (or British only? His most famous papers are done on UK), but it seem not mention nationality is the best. Matthew_hk t c 16:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Nobel Foundation use British - American only. The statement of him in 2000, shortly before his Alzheimer's disease, was the strongest statement that he refused to answer his nationality. Simon Shen also quoted that statement as an example as "world citizen" ( [13]) And looking back to page history, some version use Chinese-born Hong Kong, American and British and some use Chinese-born Shanghainese (probably vandalism), but to sum up, when a scientist had multiple nationality, it is not that simple to side to Hong Kong nationalism POV, while violate NPOV. Matthew_hk t c 18:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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Request on comment on nationality in lead. Should it use Chinese born Hongkong-British-Amercian (full relevant nationality and ethnic group), or British-Amercian (according to Nobel Foundation) or none (according to his personal statement in Standard Chinese (Mandarin) in RTHK documentary and interview, which was quoted by notable columnist Simon Shen) Matthew_hk t c 18:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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I discovered that in the Nobel lecture, https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/kao_lecture.pdf , Kao's wife presented that he worked for Standard Telephones and Cables and then for ITT Corporation at its subsidiary Standard Telecommunication Laboratories, while wiki article did said Standard Telephones and Cables had sold assets to ITT. So, when Kao worked in STL, STL is belongs to ITT or Standard Telephones and Cables?
Moreover, the current version of wiki article stated , "Standard Telecommunication Laboratories (STL) in Harlow, England, the research centre of Standard Telephones and Cables." is that wrong?
Probably the citation UCL used wiki as circular citation? Matthew_hk t c 18:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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Add those after the 2009 open letter in the opening paragraph:
However, in February 2010 open letter by the couple, it declared " Charles studied in Hong Kong for his high schooling, he has taught here, he was the Vice-Chancellor of CUHK and retired here too. In all he has lived in Hong Kong for over 30 years. So he is a Hong Kong belonger."<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.cuhk.edu.hk/cpr/charleskao/letter-e.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20101227001800/http://www.cuhk.edu.hk/cpr/charleskao/letter-e.html|title= Message from Prof. and Mrs. Charles K. Kao (5 February 2010) |date=5 February 2010|accessdate=1 October 2018|archivedate=27 December 2010|first=Charles K.|last=Kao|first2=May Wan|last2=Kao|publisher=Chinese University of Hong Kong}}</ref> (or trim it a bit) Matthew_hk t c 11:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
His knighthood no doubt appears in the Gazette somewhere, but it's not in the one in this footnote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:700:21A0:3863:6D72:D616:444B ( talk) 22:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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Kao's birth place should be strictly according to the official website of the Nobel Foundation, and should be indicated as only Shanghai, China (current place/city and country).
Otherwise the case would be very difficult to verify and discuss. And it's also the same for the other numerous Nobel Laureates.
For example, some Indian Laureates were born in British India (now India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh). And, especially for some European Laureates, it's very complicated, such as some Laureates were born in Austro-Hungarian Empire, German Empire, Russian Empire (such as once including today's Poland), and so on, but now they are different countries.
For example: Nobel Laureate Rabindranath Tagore was born and lived in British India, the official webpage of Nobel Foundation indicates him as " India" (today's India) in residence, instead of " British India". Please see: The Nobel Prize in Literature 1913 Rabindranath Tagore ( Hriuiov vv ( talk) 01:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC))
Let me sum up the few arguments listed for avoid mention the country name (Republic of China) at the time:
Since there is no response for weeks, I am going to correct the country name to the time aligned to the event. If anyone can think of any reason why we must not mention the name of the country at the time that hasn't mentioned above, please feel to contribute. International Common Editor ( talk) 03:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Example articles using country names that correspond correctly to the time of the birth/death:
Example articles | Birth Place on article | Death Place | Notes |
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Gandhi | British India | Union of India | 5 times Nobel nominates, while both birth/death places could be replaced w/ India, the current name give a clearer indication. |
Thích Quảng Đức | French Indochina | Republic of Vietnam | rationale as above |
Syngman Rhee | Joseon Korea | United States | 1st President of South Korea, his birth pre-date the founding of both modern Koreas (North & South) . |
Václav Havel | Czechoslovakia(now Czech Republic) | - | 10th President of Czechoslovakia, 1st President of the Czech Republic |
Georg Cantor | Saint Petersburg, Russian Empire (now Russia) | Province of Saxony, German Empire (now Germany) | mathematician |
So in this article, while the ambiguous "China" is technically not wrong, using the correct name of the time (Republic of China) could give readers a better sense of history. It also present an important fact, Dr Kao was not born in People's Republic of China which the country that "China" is commonly referring to. International Common Editor ( talk) 21:32, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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Kao received BSc and PhD both from University London (more precisely, @ the University of London External System). However, nowadays, few would say "my alma mater is University London External System". Normally biographies trace back to alumni's constituent colleges.
Such as in the case of this article, Kao's PhD education was from the University College London, though he was an external student (the University of London External System) when working during that time and his PhD diploma was granted by generally the University of London.
So, follow the same illustration, Kao's undergraduate alma mater is more appropriate to write as the Woolwich Polytechnic or the current University of Greenwich, though Kao's BSc diploma was also granted by generally the University of London.
In fact in these cases, "alma mater University of London" or "alma mater University of London External System" has much less sense than actual colleges.
Please also see Kao's own biography also in Simplified Chinese version (assisted by my colleague):
We hope those HongKongers are clear about this point. ( Alice Muller ( talk) 03:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC))
The flag templates (such as United Kingdom and United States) have been deployed in many Wikipedia articles, particularly in the infoboxes. Those flag templates are good for indicating the nationality and the place of birth of the person to which the article pertains. I think these templates should stay in the infobox in this article. I just don't understand why some Wikipedians delete the contributions of others immediately and repeatedly without even discussing about that on the talk page. I see this massive, repetitive deletion as a form of vandalism. Please stop that. - Alan ( talk) 14:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Charles kao was once Vice President. He was named executive scientist. He established the electronics department and won a Draper prize for engineering. Kao published a paper on Fibre optics which won him a prize. He joined an ITT lab in London to help with his career.
Kao has the citizenship of Hong Kong SAR. ( Alex Needham ( talk) 13:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
End the story please, Mr. Nobel already told us more than 100yr ago, nationality is not important, is not considered! ( Allowrocks2003040957 ( talk) 20:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
Is that possible Kao also has Taiwan citizenship? My reason is he's also a member but not a FOREIGN MEMBER of Academia Sinica. If so, he would have four citizenships: USA, UK, HK, TW. ( O0'''lien ( talk) 21:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC))
I think Alex is right, when you mention 'citizenship' like 'Kao has Hong Kong citizenship', it's also quite approperiate; but when you mention 'nationality' then it's wrong. A citizenship=/=nationality, just like there's 'honorary citizen/citizenship', there's nearly no honorary 'nationality'. ( LimoMoMoLg ( talk) 13:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC))
Why is he in that category? -- Duncan ( talk) 18:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I work in the Inmperial College Alumni Department and Charles Kao did not complete his PhD here, but at UCL. He did hold a visiting professorship here, which is probably where the confusion is arising from. For a source I recommend contacting the UCL alumni depatment, who will be able to verify whether he is an alumni of that college. Hope this is helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.198.220.139 ( talk) 09:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
From the source [10] Honorary Professors Professor KAO, Charles Kuen (高錕教授) CBE; BSc, PhD(Lond.); DSc(CUHK); DSc(Sus.); Doctorate(Soka); DEng(Glas.); DSc(Durh.); DUniv(Griff.); DTE(Padova); DSc(Hull.); DSc(Yale); FEng; FRS; FIEEE; FIEE; FHKIE; FNAE; Academican, Chinese Acad. of Sc.; Academician, Academia Scinica, Taipei
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Could we drop the protection as soon as the edit war is over? We're loosing out on a lot of improvement by having it protected now. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Also "Kao Kuen" is neither the Mandarin nor Cantonese pronunciation of his name. Its current location after the Hanji implies that it is one or the other. 74.101.177.155 ( talk) 17:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I would be happy to unprotect the article, if we can figure out a way to avoid edit wars. I'd suggest that everyone follow the
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Probably, a full protection till the 8th October would be too long, I mean the duration. Is there any Administrator can pay a little bit attention on this? ( Buhuzu ( talk) 22:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC))
I'm going to unprotect the article, in hopes that people will figure out a way to edit calmly and towards compromise. People who insist on simply reverting content they don't like, rather than attempting to find middle ground, may find themselves warned and then blocked for edit warring, regardless of whether they've violated the three-revert rule. Please try to improve rather than battle. :) Thanks. kmccoy (talk) 23:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Some materials about Kao's family, from Jinshan, Shanghai.
Kao was born in a big family in Chang-Yan Village (Zhangyan Village, 張堰鎮) of Jinshan, Shanghai. His grandfather was Kao Choi-Wan (Gao Chuiwan, 高吹萬), a famous poet, revolutionary, literator, and was a key figure of Nan Society (South Society, 南社) in late Qing Dynasty.
His father's uncle was astronomer Ping-Tse Kao (高平子, Kao Crater is named after him).
The famous writer Kao Hsu (Gao Xu, 高旭) was also from his extended family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Once a week ( talk • contribs) 2009-10-06T22:29:35 (UTC)
Another 高吹萬 nephew is 姚光 Yao Guang, a historian, revolutionary, writer. Matthew_hk t c 20:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I just got permission for two photos of Kao. I recommend the the first one, but here are cropped versions of both.
Check out the uncropped versions if anyone wants to do a better crop or do something about the red eyes. OTRS confirmation is pending. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 22:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone who is fluent in the English language rewrite this article so that it is not so linguistically roughhewn? It is very difficult to read a scientific article in children's English... Stevenmitchell ( talk) 13:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
He did research in US and HK, non of them notable?! Matthew_hk t c 20:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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The article need to be clean up on reference. The flood of low quality pirate link of news article should be removed, according to the policy of wikipedia on not spreading copyvio link. As well as those pirate version, should be double checked with newspaper archive (such as 慧科, which i did not had membership) to verify that even the online version are pirated version, they are still true c&p. The link affected would be eastday.com (claiming copied from Youth Daily) and networkchinese.com (claiming copied from Ming Pao).
For other ref, this ref, according to the version in Wayback Machine, had nothing to do with the content, which probably a spam link, but did not discover until today. I am not sure there is other spam link existed in this article or not. Matthew_hk t c 21:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Clithering:, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Context. Kao spent childhood in Shanghai, China (or in foreign concessions) as ethnic Chinese, secondary education in Hong Kong as ethnic Chinese and probably had right of abode, spent his uni education, marriage and his groundbreaking paper in UK as UK citizen, spent a while back to Hong Kong as professor, spent a long time in US as US citizen, back to Hong Kong as head of uni and then business career, spent his retirement in California , US and then Hong Kong. I don't see there is relevant to list Hong Kong only. Hongkong-British-American may be good (or British only? His most famous papers are done on UK), but it seem not mention nationality is the best. Matthew_hk t c 16:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Nobel Foundation use British - American only. The statement of him in 2000, shortly before his Alzheimer's disease, was the strongest statement that he refused to answer his nationality. Simon Shen also quoted that statement as an example as "world citizen" ( [13]) And looking back to page history, some version use Chinese-born Hong Kong, American and British and some use Chinese-born Shanghainese (probably vandalism), but to sum up, when a scientist had multiple nationality, it is not that simple to side to Hong Kong nationalism POV, while violate NPOV. Matthew_hk t c 18:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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Request on comment on nationality in lead. Should it use Chinese born Hongkong-British-Amercian (full relevant nationality and ethnic group), or British-Amercian (according to Nobel Foundation) or none (according to his personal statement in Standard Chinese (Mandarin) in RTHK documentary and interview, which was quoted by notable columnist Simon Shen) Matthew_hk t c 18:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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c 21:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)Relevant MoS would be Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Context: "Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability. " as well as "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable.". Matthew_hk t c 21:08, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I discovered that in the Nobel lecture, https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/kao_lecture.pdf , Kao's wife presented that he worked for Standard Telephones and Cables and then for ITT Corporation at its subsidiary Standard Telecommunication Laboratories, while wiki article did said Standard Telephones and Cables had sold assets to ITT. So, when Kao worked in STL, STL is belongs to ITT or Standard Telephones and Cables?
Moreover, the current version of wiki article stated , "Standard Telecommunication Laboratories (STL) in Harlow, England, the research centre of Standard Telephones and Cables." is that wrong?
Probably the citation UCL used wiki as circular citation? Matthew_hk t c 18:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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Add those after the 2009 open letter in the opening paragraph:
However, in February 2010 open letter by the couple, it declared " Charles studied in Hong Kong for his high schooling, he has taught here, he was the Vice-Chancellor of CUHK and retired here too. In all he has lived in Hong Kong for over 30 years. So he is a Hong Kong belonger."<ref>{{cite press release|url=http://www.cuhk.edu.hk/cpr/charleskao/letter-e.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20101227001800/http://www.cuhk.edu.hk/cpr/charleskao/letter-e.html|title= Message from Prof. and Mrs. Charles K. Kao (5 February 2010) |date=5 February 2010|accessdate=1 October 2018|archivedate=27 December 2010|first=Charles K.|last=Kao|first2=May Wan|last2=Kao|publisher=Chinese University of Hong Kong}}</ref> (or trim it a bit) Matthew_hk t c 11:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
His knighthood no doubt appears in the Gazette somewhere, but it's not in the one in this footnote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:700:21A0:3863:6D72:D616:444B ( talk) 22:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)