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- An article with a same name deleted in 2006 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Hoskinson but it seems it was not about Charles Hoskinson co-founder of Ethereum. The Admin who deleted that page is not active anymore. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 10:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
What notability guideline does Hoskinson pass? Most of his press attention is not about him as a person but about Cardano, which was deleted at AFD - this article shouldn't be a stealth recreation of that. It's not clear he's individually noteworthy for his work on Ethereum.
Is there press coverage sufficient to write a biography from, or is most of it press articles mentioning him because of a project already deleted for not passing notability guidelines?
WP:GNG would be very much a stretch for Hoskinson personally. Is there some more specific notability guideline Hoskinson clearly passes? Else the notability tag should be restored - David Gerard ( talk) 18:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
-He is the co founder of Ethereum and a simple google search brings lots of hits, he is also still working on Ethereum classic and as you can see lots of reliable sources provided for a short article! Please do not remove the source as you did for bloomberg! Cardano was not written well with reliable sources it does not mean the subject is not notable that's why it turned to a draft. when an article is deleted once it can comeback. All the best Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 05:48, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
He's been referenced in The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Scotsman, is an advisor for the Lifeboat Foundation (I didn't add that source, but may in the future), so it's fair to say he is a notable figure with perhaps more media coverage than some people who already have their own Wikipedia pages. I have added some references and could add more, but I don't want to clutter the article too much. I will be adding solid references on occasion as I find them. These are easy to find and are all over the internet - it just takes some work to put them together. I also agree that, with this foundation in place, some openness to other sources is merited so long as the overall quality remains intact. Josemolero ( talk) 07:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
I've also just fished out coverage of Hoskinson in the international press in which he is given lengthy, detailed articles regarding his technological and financial vision. I will see how I can incorporate these into this article. These are non-crypto publications such as Nikkei interested in blockchain developments. Josemolero ( talk) 08:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
He is a key figure in decentralized finance. And cofounder of two crypto currencies with an aggregate market cap of a quarter trillion USD. Deleting would be ludicrous. It's not even worth discussing any more. Kwinzman ( talk) 14:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Comments about the deletion threat hanging over this page have be removed. But this is a live issue. As David Gerard says, the Cardano page was deleted. He was one of the deleters. The AfD threat to this page has not been withdrawn. Recently, Dan Larimer, another blockchain pioneer and a former partner of Charles Hoskinson, has been deleted, along with BitShares. Wikipedia has a negative stance on blockchain, cryptography, and decentralisation. A year ago, I looked at Twitter views; it turned out Hoskinson was accepted there as a public figure. He had 115k followers; Jimmy Wales 152k; Vitalik Buterin 885k; Larry Ellison 105k. Today the Twitter figures are: Hoskinson 310k; Wales 167k; Buterin 1.3m; Ellison 110k. The Cardano page – only allowed back up in October – is established as a leading blockchain page and gets more views per day than pages about long-stablished physical brands such as Lexus and Mini. This Hoskinson page gets 1,564 views a day, similar to Lexus (1,597); Jimmy Wales lags behind these at 1,395. IOHKwriter ( talk) 10:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I think Bloomberg News pass WP:RS. can you show me a discussion that admins or editors think otherwise? I have provided another source for that content, so It can stay. Please do not remove it again. you can ask an admin if its reliable or not. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 06:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
-I have read it many times written by Camila Russo and just below "Read more on the hack of CoinDash’s ICO" it says "Hoskinson joined the ethereum founding team in late 2013 and left in June 2014" and bloomberg is reliable according to WP:RS/P. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 09:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think its a security for the site. solve it then you see the article. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 05:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not responsible for Bloomberg site security, its a direct link, Do not Remove that! Not my problem if you dont know about site securities. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 16:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- It works perfectly. just click on "I'm not a robot" and see the article. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 06:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
-here is the link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/ethereum-co-founder-says-crypto-coin-market-is-ticking-time-bomb I re-entered the link manualy to solve the possible problem. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 07:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The Bloomberg article makes a nice addition to this article. Thanks! Josemolero ( talk) 07:58, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
I don’t understand why this was deleted. I am aware that cryptocurrency websites are to be used carefully, but I picked what seemed to be the two most prominent websites and I do not see that this event is controversial. The donation simply reinforces that Hoskinson is forming links with universities. The crypto websites are used as references on dozens of other pages. Also, Coindesk has a Wikipedia entry; if there is reason to doubt the website, it should be made clear in its entry. The university and local radio station sources I have added also have Wikipedia entries. A Google search ("charles Hoskinson" + "university of wyoming" + "$500,000") produces 3,450 results, though with a lot of republishing. If anyone does remove this part of the entry, please do not reintroduce the spelling error again.
Indeed, the Daily Mail has a Wikipedia article, but it makes clear the paper can be an unreliable source: ‘The Daily Mail has been widely criticised for its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, and for copyright violations.’ If you are saying Coindesk is similarly unreliable, and deleting material related to it because of this opinion, you should give your referenced proof on the Coindesk page, as contributors have done for the Daily Mail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyStar456 ( talk • contribs) 13:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Grayfell: - could we revert this category? Charles Hoskinson is clearly and overwhelmingly an individual who is "associated with cryptocurrency". He set up 2 projects working on cryptocurrencies... Ethereum and Cardano. B_Maximus ( talk) 18:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
@ IOHKwriter: Would it be possible to upload an image here from: https://iohk.io/en/team/charles-hoskinson ? OTRS permissions problem... B_Maximus ( talk) 22:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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In the pedantic sense, Hoskinson is a mathematician. However, in a modern context, a "mathematician" is almost always used to describe someone with a graduate-level education in mathematics or a closely aligned field, typically someone who's been published. I don't see any indication that Hoskinson has these credentials.
These are the two sources which are used to describe Hoskinson as a mathematician:
As part of our Bitcoin interview series, here’s Charles Hoskinson, a Colorado-based technology entrepreneur and mathematician who attended the University of Colorado, Boulder, to study analytic number theory in graduate school before moving into cryptography and social network theory. He describes his current focus as “evangelism and education for Bitcoin and fully homomorphic encryption schemes.”
I’m a cryptographer and a mathematician.For various reasons, someone's description of themselves is not particularly useful for this. In practice, interviews are typically seen as weaker sources anyway, since they often have primary issues.
Touted as the “next big thing” after Ethereum, the Cardano blockchain can be used to build smart contracts, protocols and decentralised applications. It was co-founded by mathematician Charles Hoskinson and by former Ethereum co-worker Jeremy Wood, to build a more scalable and secure blockchain network, two things Hoskinson believes Ethereum will find difficult to fully achieve.
The section on Hoskinson's education is vague. It implies, but doesn't directly say, that Hoskinson dropped-out, which matches other sources I have seen. Speaker profiles are very weak sources though, since they are almost always both extremely brief, and provided by the person themselves (or their PR team). For providing the name of a school this is sufficient, but for pretty much anything beyond very basic, non-controversial details, this source is too weak.
Does Hoskinson meet WP:CATDEF as a mathematician? By that I don't mean is he a person who does mathematics in the basic sense, but rather, is this treated as a defining profession similar to his status as an entrepreneur? If this isn't his profession, and apparently never has been, then it shouldn't be in the first sentence. Grayfell ( talk) 21:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Reply:It is well known that he was part of starting bitshares. I do not know why you are removing my well researched sources. https://www.coindesk.com/people/charles-hoskinson "Hoskinson entered the crypto space in 2013 through Invictus Innovations, a company he founded with developer Dan Larimer to launch the BitShares network. Bitshares is a crypto platform organized as a decentralized autonomous corporation — a term Hoskinson claims as his own. In a DAC (similar to a DAO), the company is managed by its shareholders and the protocol rather than a hierarchical tree of managers."
https://how.bitshares.works/en/master/technology/history_bitshares.html "Invictus introduced the BitShares Vision to the world via presentations by Hoskinson and Larimer at the Atlanta Bitcoin Conference in October 2013. It is here that the plans for Keyhotee were first introduced – an integrated multi-wallet, communication, and DAC interface application intended to defend privacy and help spread knowledge of BitShares technologies outside the crypto-currency community.
Hoskinson and Larimer parted company at this point. They each agreed to keep their reasons confidential and there is no bad blood from our point of view. The only official statement on the subject was made by CEO Bo Shen to end a minor forum firestorm here:
BitSharestalk
It is our opinion that Charles Hoskinson is the best dealmaker we have ever seen, and we miss his vision and talent for recruiting allies. No doubt he will help make his new Ethereum team very successful.
Despite this loss, all of this activity was beginning to create a buzz that would soon explode on the scene with a sequence of revolutionary innovations at roughly monthly intervals that continue to this very day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 04:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Added source from epicenter.tv and mentioned company's history page is disputable from source. https://epicenter.tv/episodes/234/ He talks about it himself in a podcast, I am sure that is sufficient enough if U.today and crypto news sites are not reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 02:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
It's not hard to find evidence if you take 10 minutes to Google. If you'd rather have a Forbes article on this, it is simply removing history. The podcast has him stated he co-founded Bitshares himself, I don't know how much more quality sources can be found from your standards. No one has been removing or undoing the edits besides you, so gaining consensus is just... you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 22:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Charles has personally stated he does not want to be called a co-founder of Ethereum, as he was only there for a few months. Does this same logic not apply to Bitshares, as he personally said he does not want to be called a co-founder of Ethereum anymore as well? Because Ethereum has more success and visibility with published sources, it does not make Bitshares insignificant. To answer the last question, no I do not have a conflict of interest. The sources are similar to the ones used for Ethereum in the page(podcast), therefore this removal is simply censorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
The new section is based on unreliable sources, U.Today and Fossbytes:
"Cardano's (ADA) Charles Hoskinson Receives Threats from Indian YouTube Users, Here's Why". U.Today. 2021-07-26. Retrieved 2021-07-27. "Watch Out! Someone Wants To Spread Vaccine Disinformation Via YouTube". Fossbytes. 2021-07-26. Retrieved 2021-07-28. IOHKwriter ( talk) 11:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
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These appear to be claims by Hoskinson, but Laura Shin researched them for her recent book on Ethereum and the university he claims to have been doing a Ph.D at didn't even have a Ph.D programme. [2] The sources were (1) a crypto site (unusable on a BLP) and (2) a conference bio that would have been self-sourced. So I've removed the claim for now. Haven't obtained Shin's book to cite as yet - David Gerard ( talk) 22:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
@ David Gerard: Please provide references to back up statement that "Hoskinson has claimed that he had entered a PhD program but had dropped out". As it states at the top of this page: " Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately". — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyStar456 ( talk • contribs)
@ david gerardWhy have you put back in the text 'The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency confirmed he had never worked directly for the agency.'? There is no mention of defense anywhere in this bio. What'sit got to do with anything? 88.87.167.43 ( talk) 18:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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The site is owned by Digital Currency Group, a conglomerate whose lending subsidiary Genesis Global Capital is expected to file for bankruptcy soon.[8] If anything substantial comes from this, we can evaluate based on sources.
MOS:SURNAME, MOS:CREDENTIAL. Info about testifying is not explained or sourced in article itself, nor is that an accurate caption for this photo.Being very generous, a photo is a primary source. If your goal was not to promote him, than I accept that you did not add the photo as an excuse to mention that he testified before congress. As we've discussed to death in tedious detail over the last couple of years, if you want to mention details like that, you should use reliable, independent sources. If a source mentions this and indicates why it has encyclopedic significance, the photo (assuming copyright can be sorted) would be a good addition. Without that context, then yes, it's just a random photo with no context. Grayfell ( talk) 05:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
We have a detailed "career" section which has a lot of things IOHK has sponsored. Should we just treat IOHK as Hoskinson? This stuff might go better in Cardano (blockchain platform) - David Gerard ( talk) 19:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Grayfell: - Hi Grayfell, I just wanted to comment on your statement "Wikipedia isn't a platform for promotion, and your claims to not have a conflict of interest are no longer credible."
In what way does reverting text that has been there for many months/years even constitute me suddenly mean that I have a conflict of interest. I don't use Wiki frequently and only check a couple pages out of interest. Since I follow cryptocurrency and am interested in the topic it is not unusual to make edits when news occurs... that is the whole point of wikipedia?
With regards to the reversions - the chunks of text you deleted were entirely relevant as they pertain to the company C.H. built... Are we supposed to talk about C.H. without ever mentioning anything the company does?
I mentioned Steve Jobs / Elon musk pages - if you deleted every mention of Tesla and Apple half the page would be gone...And in what way do your actions of cuttings back massive chunks of text not constitute a conflict of interest / bias? I am interested how a senior wiki member immediately reverts to finger pointing when someone disagrees with their edit. Bob ( talk) 06:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Greyfell In your response to Blockchainus, you appear to have inadvertently deleted text dating back to April based on reliable sources such as Venturebeat and CityAM. I have restored this. Also, the significance of the space agency document is demonstrated by it being referred to in references from several WP:IS independent sources, including Vice, the Independent, NY Times and USA Today. (In any case, linking to non-independent sources may be used to source content for articles.) As the SciAm article discusses, this is a controversial area, so linking to the actual letter provides verification. Finally, you commented 'This article is about Hoskinson, not IOHK.' As has been discussed on this Talk page, the Hoskinson page includes IOHK because there is no separate page. Wikipedia searches for IOHK are directed to the Hoskinson page. Your earlier edit, deleting the external link to Hoskinson’s profile at IOHK, while leaving the external link to the IOHK home page suggests you may in two minds about this yourself. If you are trying to argue that there should be an IOHK page, please refer to the earlier discussion. Thanks, GreyStar456 ( talk) 17:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Please refer to the earlier discussion.Indeed. The section directly above this one is about these exact same deletions.
They wrote a paper about the discovery in 2019. It was initially rejected by The Astrophysical Journal, but the same journal then accepted it for publication last November, several months after the U.S. Space Command announced in a memo circulated on Twitter that measurements of the fireball’s velocity were accurate enough to infer interstellar origin.
That appeal to authority isn’t enough, said Peter Brown, a meteor physicist at Western University in Ontario. It’s unknown how precise the U.S. Defense Department data is, which affects how likely it is that the object came from beyond.
“We know from experience, running ground-based radar and optical networks, that you often find several percent of all the events you detect appear to be interstellar,” Dr. Brown said. To date, he continued, nearly all of those events could be chalked up to measurement error.[9]
"nearly all of those events could be chalked up to measurement error."is casting doubt on Loeb's claims. Both the rest of the cited article supports that, as well as many other sources about this incident.
I don’t agree with the interpretation that this is a purely philanthropic enterprise. The work of the centre will develop formal programming techniques, which are important to IOHK’s blockchain research. Avigad has had a Wikipedia page for a decade and is a notable logician. Saying that identifying the director of a $20m university department is “name-dropping” is an aggressive interpretation. I have expanded the text to try to address your concerns. Please remember that Wikipedia editors should treat each other with respect and civility. GreyStar456 ( talk) 00:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
This type of formalization provides a foundation for mathematics today, said Dr. Avigad, who is the director of the Hoskinson Center for Formal Mathematics (funded by the crypto entrepreneur Charles Hoskinson), “in just the same way that Euclid ...[10]
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- An article with a same name deleted in 2006 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Hoskinson but it seems it was not about Charles Hoskinson co-founder of Ethereum. The Admin who deleted that page is not active anymore. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 10:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
What notability guideline does Hoskinson pass? Most of his press attention is not about him as a person but about Cardano, which was deleted at AFD - this article shouldn't be a stealth recreation of that. It's not clear he's individually noteworthy for his work on Ethereum.
Is there press coverage sufficient to write a biography from, or is most of it press articles mentioning him because of a project already deleted for not passing notability guidelines?
WP:GNG would be very much a stretch for Hoskinson personally. Is there some more specific notability guideline Hoskinson clearly passes? Else the notability tag should be restored - David Gerard ( talk) 18:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
-He is the co founder of Ethereum and a simple google search brings lots of hits, he is also still working on Ethereum classic and as you can see lots of reliable sources provided for a short article! Please do not remove the source as you did for bloomberg! Cardano was not written well with reliable sources it does not mean the subject is not notable that's why it turned to a draft. when an article is deleted once it can comeback. All the best Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 05:48, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
He's been referenced in The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Scotsman, is an advisor for the Lifeboat Foundation (I didn't add that source, but may in the future), so it's fair to say he is a notable figure with perhaps more media coverage than some people who already have their own Wikipedia pages. I have added some references and could add more, but I don't want to clutter the article too much. I will be adding solid references on occasion as I find them. These are easy to find and are all over the internet - it just takes some work to put them together. I also agree that, with this foundation in place, some openness to other sources is merited so long as the overall quality remains intact. Josemolero ( talk) 07:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
I've also just fished out coverage of Hoskinson in the international press in which he is given lengthy, detailed articles regarding his technological and financial vision. I will see how I can incorporate these into this article. These are non-crypto publications such as Nikkei interested in blockchain developments. Josemolero ( talk) 08:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
He is a key figure in decentralized finance. And cofounder of two crypto currencies with an aggregate market cap of a quarter trillion USD. Deleting would be ludicrous. It's not even worth discussing any more. Kwinzman ( talk) 14:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Comments about the deletion threat hanging over this page have be removed. But this is a live issue. As David Gerard says, the Cardano page was deleted. He was one of the deleters. The AfD threat to this page has not been withdrawn. Recently, Dan Larimer, another blockchain pioneer and a former partner of Charles Hoskinson, has been deleted, along with BitShares. Wikipedia has a negative stance on blockchain, cryptography, and decentralisation. A year ago, I looked at Twitter views; it turned out Hoskinson was accepted there as a public figure. He had 115k followers; Jimmy Wales 152k; Vitalik Buterin 885k; Larry Ellison 105k. Today the Twitter figures are: Hoskinson 310k; Wales 167k; Buterin 1.3m; Ellison 110k. The Cardano page – only allowed back up in October – is established as a leading blockchain page and gets more views per day than pages about long-stablished physical brands such as Lexus and Mini. This Hoskinson page gets 1,564 views a day, similar to Lexus (1,597); Jimmy Wales lags behind these at 1,395. IOHKwriter ( talk) 10:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I think Bloomberg News pass WP:RS. can you show me a discussion that admins or editors think otherwise? I have provided another source for that content, so It can stay. Please do not remove it again. you can ask an admin if its reliable or not. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 06:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
-I have read it many times written by Camila Russo and just below "Read more on the hack of CoinDash’s ICO" it says "Hoskinson joined the ethereum founding team in late 2013 and left in June 2014" and bloomberg is reliable according to WP:RS/P. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 09:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think its a security for the site. solve it then you see the article. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 05:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not responsible for Bloomberg site security, its a direct link, Do not Remove that! Not my problem if you dont know about site securities. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 16:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- It works perfectly. just click on "I'm not a robot" and see the article. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 06:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
-here is the link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/ethereum-co-founder-says-crypto-coin-market-is-ticking-time-bomb I re-entered the link manualy to solve the possible problem. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 07:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The Bloomberg article makes a nice addition to this article. Thanks! Josemolero ( talk) 07:58, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
I don’t understand why this was deleted. I am aware that cryptocurrency websites are to be used carefully, but I picked what seemed to be the two most prominent websites and I do not see that this event is controversial. The donation simply reinforces that Hoskinson is forming links with universities. The crypto websites are used as references on dozens of other pages. Also, Coindesk has a Wikipedia entry; if there is reason to doubt the website, it should be made clear in its entry. The university and local radio station sources I have added also have Wikipedia entries. A Google search ("charles Hoskinson" + "university of wyoming" + "$500,000") produces 3,450 results, though with a lot of republishing. If anyone does remove this part of the entry, please do not reintroduce the spelling error again.
Indeed, the Daily Mail has a Wikipedia article, but it makes clear the paper can be an unreliable source: ‘The Daily Mail has been widely criticised for its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, and for copyright violations.’ If you are saying Coindesk is similarly unreliable, and deleting material related to it because of this opinion, you should give your referenced proof on the Coindesk page, as contributors have done for the Daily Mail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyStar456 ( talk • contribs) 13:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Grayfell: - could we revert this category? Charles Hoskinson is clearly and overwhelmingly an individual who is "associated with cryptocurrency". He set up 2 projects working on cryptocurrencies... Ethereum and Cardano. B_Maximus ( talk) 18:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
@ IOHKwriter: Would it be possible to upload an image here from: https://iohk.io/en/team/charles-hoskinson ? OTRS permissions problem... B_Maximus ( talk) 22:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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In the pedantic sense, Hoskinson is a mathematician. However, in a modern context, a "mathematician" is almost always used to describe someone with a graduate-level education in mathematics or a closely aligned field, typically someone who's been published. I don't see any indication that Hoskinson has these credentials.
These are the two sources which are used to describe Hoskinson as a mathematician:
As part of our Bitcoin interview series, here’s Charles Hoskinson, a Colorado-based technology entrepreneur and mathematician who attended the University of Colorado, Boulder, to study analytic number theory in graduate school before moving into cryptography and social network theory. He describes his current focus as “evangelism and education for Bitcoin and fully homomorphic encryption schemes.”
I’m a cryptographer and a mathematician.For various reasons, someone's description of themselves is not particularly useful for this. In practice, interviews are typically seen as weaker sources anyway, since they often have primary issues.
Touted as the “next big thing” after Ethereum, the Cardano blockchain can be used to build smart contracts, protocols and decentralised applications. It was co-founded by mathematician Charles Hoskinson and by former Ethereum co-worker Jeremy Wood, to build a more scalable and secure blockchain network, two things Hoskinson believes Ethereum will find difficult to fully achieve.
The section on Hoskinson's education is vague. It implies, but doesn't directly say, that Hoskinson dropped-out, which matches other sources I have seen. Speaker profiles are very weak sources though, since they are almost always both extremely brief, and provided by the person themselves (or their PR team). For providing the name of a school this is sufficient, but for pretty much anything beyond very basic, non-controversial details, this source is too weak.
Does Hoskinson meet WP:CATDEF as a mathematician? By that I don't mean is he a person who does mathematics in the basic sense, but rather, is this treated as a defining profession similar to his status as an entrepreneur? If this isn't his profession, and apparently never has been, then it shouldn't be in the first sentence. Grayfell ( talk) 21:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Reply:It is well known that he was part of starting bitshares. I do not know why you are removing my well researched sources. https://www.coindesk.com/people/charles-hoskinson "Hoskinson entered the crypto space in 2013 through Invictus Innovations, a company he founded with developer Dan Larimer to launch the BitShares network. Bitshares is a crypto platform organized as a decentralized autonomous corporation — a term Hoskinson claims as his own. In a DAC (similar to a DAO), the company is managed by its shareholders and the protocol rather than a hierarchical tree of managers."
https://how.bitshares.works/en/master/technology/history_bitshares.html "Invictus introduced the BitShares Vision to the world via presentations by Hoskinson and Larimer at the Atlanta Bitcoin Conference in October 2013. It is here that the plans for Keyhotee were first introduced – an integrated multi-wallet, communication, and DAC interface application intended to defend privacy and help spread knowledge of BitShares technologies outside the crypto-currency community.
Hoskinson and Larimer parted company at this point. They each agreed to keep their reasons confidential and there is no bad blood from our point of view. The only official statement on the subject was made by CEO Bo Shen to end a minor forum firestorm here:
BitSharestalk
It is our opinion that Charles Hoskinson is the best dealmaker we have ever seen, and we miss his vision and talent for recruiting allies. No doubt he will help make his new Ethereum team very successful.
Despite this loss, all of this activity was beginning to create a buzz that would soon explode on the scene with a sequence of revolutionary innovations at roughly monthly intervals that continue to this very day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 04:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Added source from epicenter.tv and mentioned company's history page is disputable from source. https://epicenter.tv/episodes/234/ He talks about it himself in a podcast, I am sure that is sufficient enough if U.today and crypto news sites are not reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 02:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
It's not hard to find evidence if you take 10 minutes to Google. If you'd rather have a Forbes article on this, it is simply removing history. The podcast has him stated he co-founded Bitshares himself, I don't know how much more quality sources can be found from your standards. No one has been removing or undoing the edits besides you, so gaining consensus is just... you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 22:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Charles has personally stated he does not want to be called a co-founder of Ethereum, as he was only there for a few months. Does this same logic not apply to Bitshares, as he personally said he does not want to be called a co-founder of Ethereum anymore as well? Because Ethereum has more success and visibility with published sources, it does not make Bitshares insignificant. To answer the last question, no I do not have a conflict of interest. The sources are similar to the ones used for Ethereum in the page(podcast), therefore this removal is simply censorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeccakMaster ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
The new section is based on unreliable sources, U.Today and Fossbytes:
"Cardano's (ADA) Charles Hoskinson Receives Threats from Indian YouTube Users, Here's Why". U.Today. 2021-07-26. Retrieved 2021-07-27. "Watch Out! Someone Wants To Spread Vaccine Disinformation Via YouTube". Fossbytes. 2021-07-26. Retrieved 2021-07-28. IOHKwriter ( talk) 11:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
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These appear to be claims by Hoskinson, but Laura Shin researched them for her recent book on Ethereum and the university he claims to have been doing a Ph.D at didn't even have a Ph.D programme. [2] The sources were (1) a crypto site (unusable on a BLP) and (2) a conference bio that would have been self-sourced. So I've removed the claim for now. Haven't obtained Shin's book to cite as yet - David Gerard ( talk) 22:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
@ David Gerard: Please provide references to back up statement that "Hoskinson has claimed that he had entered a PhD program but had dropped out". As it states at the top of this page: " Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately". — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyStar456 ( talk • contribs)
@ david gerardWhy have you put back in the text 'The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency confirmed he had never worked directly for the agency.'? There is no mention of defense anywhere in this bio. What'sit got to do with anything? 88.87.167.43 ( talk) 18:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Grayfell
Bob ( talk) 13:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
The site is owned by Digital Currency Group, a conglomerate whose lending subsidiary Genesis Global Capital is expected to file for bankruptcy soon.[8] If anything substantial comes from this, we can evaluate based on sources.
MOS:SURNAME, MOS:CREDENTIAL. Info about testifying is not explained or sourced in article itself, nor is that an accurate caption for this photo.Being very generous, a photo is a primary source. If your goal was not to promote him, than I accept that you did not add the photo as an excuse to mention that he testified before congress. As we've discussed to death in tedious detail over the last couple of years, if you want to mention details like that, you should use reliable, independent sources. If a source mentions this and indicates why it has encyclopedic significance, the photo (assuming copyright can be sorted) would be a good addition. Without that context, then yes, it's just a random photo with no context. Grayfell ( talk) 05:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
We have a detailed "career" section which has a lot of things IOHK has sponsored. Should we just treat IOHK as Hoskinson? This stuff might go better in Cardano (blockchain platform) - David Gerard ( talk) 19:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Grayfell: - Hi Grayfell, I just wanted to comment on your statement "Wikipedia isn't a platform for promotion, and your claims to not have a conflict of interest are no longer credible."
In what way does reverting text that has been there for many months/years even constitute me suddenly mean that I have a conflict of interest. I don't use Wiki frequently and only check a couple pages out of interest. Since I follow cryptocurrency and am interested in the topic it is not unusual to make edits when news occurs... that is the whole point of wikipedia?
With regards to the reversions - the chunks of text you deleted were entirely relevant as they pertain to the company C.H. built... Are we supposed to talk about C.H. without ever mentioning anything the company does?
I mentioned Steve Jobs / Elon musk pages - if you deleted every mention of Tesla and Apple half the page would be gone...And in what way do your actions of cuttings back massive chunks of text not constitute a conflict of interest / bias? I am interested how a senior wiki member immediately reverts to finger pointing when someone disagrees with their edit. Bob ( talk) 06:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Greyfell In your response to Blockchainus, you appear to have inadvertently deleted text dating back to April based on reliable sources such as Venturebeat and CityAM. I have restored this. Also, the significance of the space agency document is demonstrated by it being referred to in references from several WP:IS independent sources, including Vice, the Independent, NY Times and USA Today. (In any case, linking to non-independent sources may be used to source content for articles.) As the SciAm article discusses, this is a controversial area, so linking to the actual letter provides verification. Finally, you commented 'This article is about Hoskinson, not IOHK.' As has been discussed on this Talk page, the Hoskinson page includes IOHK because there is no separate page. Wikipedia searches for IOHK are directed to the Hoskinson page. Your earlier edit, deleting the external link to Hoskinson’s profile at IOHK, while leaving the external link to the IOHK home page suggests you may in two minds about this yourself. If you are trying to argue that there should be an IOHK page, please refer to the earlier discussion. Thanks, GreyStar456 ( talk) 17:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Please refer to the earlier discussion.Indeed. The section directly above this one is about these exact same deletions.
They wrote a paper about the discovery in 2019. It was initially rejected by The Astrophysical Journal, but the same journal then accepted it for publication last November, several months after the U.S. Space Command announced in a memo circulated on Twitter that measurements of the fireball’s velocity were accurate enough to infer interstellar origin.
That appeal to authority isn’t enough, said Peter Brown, a meteor physicist at Western University in Ontario. It’s unknown how precise the U.S. Defense Department data is, which affects how likely it is that the object came from beyond.
“We know from experience, running ground-based radar and optical networks, that you often find several percent of all the events you detect appear to be interstellar,” Dr. Brown said. To date, he continued, nearly all of those events could be chalked up to measurement error.[9]
"nearly all of those events could be chalked up to measurement error."is casting doubt on Loeb's claims. Both the rest of the cited article supports that, as well as many other sources about this incident.
I don’t agree with the interpretation that this is a purely philanthropic enterprise. The work of the centre will develop formal programming techniques, which are important to IOHK’s blockchain research. Avigad has had a Wikipedia page for a decade and is a notable logician. Saying that identifying the director of a $20m university department is “name-dropping” is an aggressive interpretation. I have expanded the text to try to address your concerns. Please remember that Wikipedia editors should treat each other with respect and civility. GreyStar456 ( talk) 00:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
This type of formalization provides a foundation for mathematics today, said Dr. Avigad, who is the director of the Hoskinson Center for Formal Mathematics (funded by the crypto entrepreneur Charles Hoskinson), “in just the same way that Euclid ...[10]