The article gets somehow confusing. Archer is revealed to be the future Shiro only in the Unlimited Blade Works route, while in the Fate one (if I correctly remember) he does not even use the Trace skill, and simply remains as an unnamed blacksmith from some english-speaking country. It should be rewritten, I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.64.56.237 ( talk) 14:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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I believe that several of the characters currently listed as main characters don't belong there:
These servants really aren't main characters at all, and Shinji was only important in one arc of the story. Sakura Matō is a bit iffy as well, since she didn't have much of a role until fairly late, and it was more related to the second-last arc in the story. If there's no disagreement, I will drop the above from main characters to secondary (I'll leave Sakura there for the time being). -- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master 01:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I read the debate on the proposals of deletion for some Fate/Stay Night characters and also read that they were going to be merged. In short, are they going to be reduced to little meaningless character descriptions as seen in List of Fate/stay night characters with only a few exceptions? Honestly, the info regarding the weapons' legends in the Gilgamesh article (and others that are going to be merged, such as the Rider (Fate/stay night) article) linked me to other interesting things, such as the origins behind the names and how " Enuma Elish" is actually the Babylonian creation myth; in short, it would be a shame (in my opinion) for such things to be removed due to a lack of sources. If the articles were merged, they probably won't have those weapon descriptions in the new page and consequently those references to other real-world things (or legends) as well. Is it possible to reconsider the merge or would that require a whole new debate?
Although this isn't really related to the discussion, is Jimmy Wale's statement, "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing." basically a lie? All these merges and things that happen in Wikipedia and such... Expo377 ( talk) 06:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I wonder what should be done now? Marlon unknown ( talk) 01:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose an idea to reintroduce an article that contains details of Sakura Matō
Reason:
1. Sakura was the antagonist of one arcs in Fate Stay Night, Heaven's feel
2. The direction of the main article of FSN seems to concentrate on anime version which focuses on Fate arc.I believe the article(the main one) should give equal importance to the other arcs because FSN was originally a visual novel, not a anime.
3. The details of Heaven's feel was a lot and messy and was hard to draw any information of Sakura Matō from it.
However, I think we should discuss if my move is correct or not. If no one reply within a month, I will proceed in creating a separate article for Sakura Matō.
Regards nipaa1412
60.50.9.44 ( talk) 09:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
These four do not currently assert notability. If nobody can add creation and reception information, they should be merged. TTN ( talk) 01:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it is useless to discuss after all; you have decided the answer from the beginning 124.13.148.207 ( talk) 10:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Why do the characters no longer have their own pages and get linked to the character list page? I don't know. Maybe someone does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sifsclub ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
As for reliable sources, do we need a section on reception for the characters (example, like Hatake Kakashi )? Expo377 ( talk) 01:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
http://www.hlj.com/product/ENT01389 http://ocha.nierchi.net/2009/09/28/good-smile-company-fate-unlimited-codes-%E2%80%93-saber-lily-distant-avalon/ http://www.cosplayfu.com/product/Saber+Cosplay+Costume+from+Fate+Stay+Night http://www.yesasia.com/us/nendoroid-fate-unlimited-codes-saber-lily/1020431888-0-0-0-en/info.html http://www.toyslogic.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&zenid=251fbn4t0s0o80g1pbleoauh23&keyword=saber
What was that about not being notable? Also, if you're going to be extreme and say something like a character needing a movie to be notable.... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10981
@ sifsclub: It was probably that tnt guy that deleted the page. He's the delete-happy one here. Hell Pyro ( talk) 07:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Can we reopen this for discussion? I understand that the previous character articles did not do enough to justify notability, but this does not mean that they weren't notable. Someone just needs to write a reception section and such. For those of you who think the characters are not notable, consider this list:
Here is a list of Fate media:
· 26 episode anime TV series
· Movie slated for January 2010
· manga (9 volumes, ongoing)
· Original PC Visual Novel (Exceptionally popular in Japan, now accessible in English)
· PS2 - Realta Nua (port)
· PS2+PSP - Fate Unlimited Codes
· PSP - Fate/Tiger Colosseum
· PSP - Fate/Extra (in development)
· Fate/Hollow Ataraxia PC Visual Novel
· Light Novels (Fate/Zero) prequel (4 volumes)
Merchandise is noteworthy as well. *LOTS* of figures. Saber has an especially wide array of figures. This extends way past any 1 media. Plushies and other memorabilia are on par with other mainstream anime franchises. Additionally, there are many fan projects, including the completed Original FSN visual novel complete English translation by Mirror Moon(including voice patch) and NDS port for visual novel(including voice patch).
Aside from the wide array presented here which shows that CLEARLY each of the main characters extends beyond the anime or visual novel, the reception is extremely positive as well. I think no one was paying attention when this "merge" was decided on. Please tell me we can reevaluate this. AllUltima ( talk) 13:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The person who made the previous edits apparently doesn't know of the VN's existence, tagging some things as 'in the anime' (when they also occur in the VN), not clarifying which parts are anime-original, and some gross factual inaccuracies (like stating that Shirou traces Excalibur in Fate against Berserker, Rider's NP is 'Pegasus', Gae Bolg works by bouncing... LOL?).
All inaccuracies and errors should be fixed now, along with several grammatical errors.
Overmage ( talk) 04:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I know it's because of UBW but Sakura doesn't do much in that route either. I have had a discussion on a forum and we ended up saying that Illya was a main character rather than supporting. Does she qualify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.147.162.224 ( talk) 23:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
There's a lot of original research introduced into this article. Not only is none of it cited, some of it is factually inaccurate, or seemingly based off personal interpretations of the text. Please help by citing any overly wordy explanations, or by removing dubious stuff. 210.162.17.232 ( talk) 07:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Considering how Illya, Kiritsugu and Sakura might move more coverage thanks to the new Fate series focused on them it might be possible to give them character articles. Kiritsugu in particular has a lot of creation information if you check type moon wiki. Tintor2 ( talk) 02:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
After doing clean up of detailed fictional information I've been wondering if the List of Fate/Zero characters should be merged with List of Fate/stay night characters. While the two are different series, there is quite overlapping with the same characters like Saber, Kotomine, among others especially since Kiritsugu was given an article. Please share your comments to reach a consensus. Tintor2 ( talk) 16:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Hope I can add this here since he's a Fate character as well. Is it possible that we can make a page for Waver since he's also a character that makes multiple appearances in the Fate universe? Mirrorthesoul ( talk) 21:12, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Mirrorthesoul: Waver doesn't appear in the visual novel. His only inclusion so far was the last episode of Ufotable's Unlimited Blade Works. He is present in List of Fate/Zero characters and The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II. If you are interested in giving him an article, remember to follow the guidelines WP:Notability and make it like other Fate characters who have sections dedicated to real world information. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Mirrorthesoul: I only thought about merging the two works directly connected but I'm not sure about the others since I haven't watched the others. Tintor2 ( talk) 22:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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The article gets somehow confusing. Archer is revealed to be the future Shiro only in the Unlimited Blade Works route, while in the Fate one (if I correctly remember) he does not even use the Trace skill, and simply remains as an unnamed blacksmith from some english-speaking country. It should be rewritten, I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.64.56.237 ( talk) 14:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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I believe that several of the characters currently listed as main characters don't belong there:
These servants really aren't main characters at all, and Shinji was only important in one arc of the story. Sakura Matō is a bit iffy as well, since she didn't have much of a role until fairly late, and it was more related to the second-last arc in the story. If there's no disagreement, I will drop the above from main characters to secondary (I'll leave Sakura there for the time being). -- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master 01:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I read the debate on the proposals of deletion for some Fate/Stay Night characters and also read that they were going to be merged. In short, are they going to be reduced to little meaningless character descriptions as seen in List of Fate/stay night characters with only a few exceptions? Honestly, the info regarding the weapons' legends in the Gilgamesh article (and others that are going to be merged, such as the Rider (Fate/stay night) article) linked me to other interesting things, such as the origins behind the names and how " Enuma Elish" is actually the Babylonian creation myth; in short, it would be a shame (in my opinion) for such things to be removed due to a lack of sources. If the articles were merged, they probably won't have those weapon descriptions in the new page and consequently those references to other real-world things (or legends) as well. Is it possible to reconsider the merge or would that require a whole new debate?
Although this isn't really related to the discussion, is Jimmy Wale's statement, "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing." basically a lie? All these merges and things that happen in Wikipedia and such... Expo377 ( talk) 06:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I wonder what should be done now? Marlon unknown ( talk) 01:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose an idea to reintroduce an article that contains details of Sakura Matō
Reason:
1. Sakura was the antagonist of one arcs in Fate Stay Night, Heaven's feel
2. The direction of the main article of FSN seems to concentrate on anime version which focuses on Fate arc.I believe the article(the main one) should give equal importance to the other arcs because FSN was originally a visual novel, not a anime.
3. The details of Heaven's feel was a lot and messy and was hard to draw any information of Sakura Matō from it.
However, I think we should discuss if my move is correct or not. If no one reply within a month, I will proceed in creating a separate article for Sakura Matō.
Regards nipaa1412
60.50.9.44 ( talk) 09:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
These four do not currently assert notability. If nobody can add creation and reception information, they should be merged. TTN ( talk) 01:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it is useless to discuss after all; you have decided the answer from the beginning 124.13.148.207 ( talk) 10:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Why do the characters no longer have their own pages and get linked to the character list page? I don't know. Maybe someone does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sifsclub ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
As for reliable sources, do we need a section on reception for the characters (example, like Hatake Kakashi )? Expo377 ( talk) 01:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
http://www.hlj.com/product/ENT01389 http://ocha.nierchi.net/2009/09/28/good-smile-company-fate-unlimited-codes-%E2%80%93-saber-lily-distant-avalon/ http://www.cosplayfu.com/product/Saber+Cosplay+Costume+from+Fate+Stay+Night http://www.yesasia.com/us/nendoroid-fate-unlimited-codes-saber-lily/1020431888-0-0-0-en/info.html http://www.toyslogic.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&zenid=251fbn4t0s0o80g1pbleoauh23&keyword=saber
What was that about not being notable? Also, if you're going to be extreme and say something like a character needing a movie to be notable.... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10981
@ sifsclub: It was probably that tnt guy that deleted the page. He's the delete-happy one here. Hell Pyro ( talk) 07:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Can we reopen this for discussion? I understand that the previous character articles did not do enough to justify notability, but this does not mean that they weren't notable. Someone just needs to write a reception section and such. For those of you who think the characters are not notable, consider this list:
Here is a list of Fate media:
· 26 episode anime TV series
· Movie slated for January 2010
· manga (9 volumes, ongoing)
· Original PC Visual Novel (Exceptionally popular in Japan, now accessible in English)
· PS2 - Realta Nua (port)
· PS2+PSP - Fate Unlimited Codes
· PSP - Fate/Tiger Colosseum
· PSP - Fate/Extra (in development)
· Fate/Hollow Ataraxia PC Visual Novel
· Light Novels (Fate/Zero) prequel (4 volumes)
Merchandise is noteworthy as well. *LOTS* of figures. Saber has an especially wide array of figures. This extends way past any 1 media. Plushies and other memorabilia are on par with other mainstream anime franchises. Additionally, there are many fan projects, including the completed Original FSN visual novel complete English translation by Mirror Moon(including voice patch) and NDS port for visual novel(including voice patch).
Aside from the wide array presented here which shows that CLEARLY each of the main characters extends beyond the anime or visual novel, the reception is extremely positive as well. I think no one was paying attention when this "merge" was decided on. Please tell me we can reevaluate this. AllUltima ( talk) 13:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The person who made the previous edits apparently doesn't know of the VN's existence, tagging some things as 'in the anime' (when they also occur in the VN), not clarifying which parts are anime-original, and some gross factual inaccuracies (like stating that Shirou traces Excalibur in Fate against Berserker, Rider's NP is 'Pegasus', Gae Bolg works by bouncing... LOL?).
All inaccuracies and errors should be fixed now, along with several grammatical errors.
Overmage ( talk) 04:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I know it's because of UBW but Sakura doesn't do much in that route either. I have had a discussion on a forum and we ended up saying that Illya was a main character rather than supporting. Does she qualify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.147.162.224 ( talk) 23:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
There's a lot of original research introduced into this article. Not only is none of it cited, some of it is factually inaccurate, or seemingly based off personal interpretations of the text. Please help by citing any overly wordy explanations, or by removing dubious stuff. 210.162.17.232 ( talk) 07:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Considering how Illya, Kiritsugu and Sakura might move more coverage thanks to the new Fate series focused on them it might be possible to give them character articles. Kiritsugu in particular has a lot of creation information if you check type moon wiki. Tintor2 ( talk) 02:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
After doing clean up of detailed fictional information I've been wondering if the List of Fate/Zero characters should be merged with List of Fate/stay night characters. While the two are different series, there is quite overlapping with the same characters like Saber, Kotomine, among others especially since Kiritsugu was given an article. Please share your comments to reach a consensus. Tintor2 ( talk) 16:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Hope I can add this here since he's a Fate character as well. Is it possible that we can make a page for Waver since he's also a character that makes multiple appearances in the Fate universe? Mirrorthesoul ( talk) 21:12, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Mirrorthesoul: Waver doesn't appear in the visual novel. His only inclusion so far was the last episode of Ufotable's Unlimited Blade Works. He is present in List of Fate/Zero characters and The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II. If you are interested in giving him an article, remember to follow the guidelines WP:Notability and make it like other Fate characters who have sections dedicated to real world information. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Mirrorthesoul: I only thought about merging the two works directly connected but I'm not sure about the others since I haven't watched the others. Tintor2 ( talk) 22:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)