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The source for increasingly effeminate, androgynous characters (#5) mentions nothing of the sort —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.177.60 ( talk) 04:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
he is so "gersang",he has a girlfriend,name's pusher..he also like to play her testis alone..very cruel yeargh.. Is it possible to delay merging in the races page until this page has the relevant information for the same? - ashish.vashisht —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashish.vashisht ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Where did you guys decide to put Dwarves and Humans, again?
Also, Under Mascots or whatever you want to call it, remember to put Tonberries, Pupus, Onion Knights, Moombas, Cactuars, and Cait Siths (Cait Sith was originally just a cat, before it became an FFVII character). I think there's some more, but I can't remember what they are. KrytenKoro 01:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, also, at least on the talk page, could we list where to find the other race's information, at least for a short time? I don't know where to look for Al Bhed or Seeqs, since they still lead here.
You guys will need to make sure you go over all the old races and fix that. KrytenKoro 06:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
For the mascots - I'd assume that a source for these would be them being used as mascots or dolls in FFX, frequent appearances in side games and main games, and as Square Enix plushies. KrytenKoro 15:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
This article has the potential to become infested with original research. Since the article is brand new, I believe we should develop it in the most correct way we can, by adding things only if a source is provided at the same time. Kariteh 08:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The old Races page leads to Spira. Or, alternatingly, to this page. Neither has information on the races, and it's still not clear where to look for information on the Seeqs or Shumi.
The old links to Races need to be cleaned up and fixed, and somehow (probably just on the talk page for this article, or even Races' talk page), it needs to be made clear where the old sections went. KrytenKoro 17:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I think I found the problem, Al Bhed was still linked to the old races article, and someone noticed that and (incorrectly) redirected it to Spira, I fixed it. Now, Races leads to Common Themes, and Al Bhed (and the other Spiran Races) lead to Spira. --— Δαίδαλος Σ Σ 17:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
What is listed as plot elements tend to be characteristics of RPGs in general, no specifically the Final Fantasy series. Perhaps this could be deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ngaskill ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
I noticed that you added the Pendants section immediately after I added the Wings section and that you are comparing your inclusion of the Pendants section with my inclusion of the Wings section. Please remember WP:POINT, which you have violated in very similar circumstances before.
(1) The wings section is only OR if I say what the wings represent. Since I don't, I merely report that the wings are there, there is no OR. (2) The wings are not an incidental character design. In fact, most instances of the wings have a specifically "angelic" or Deific symbology. FFVI: Kefka's wings accompanied his god-like state, and his special attack was called "Light of Judgement". FFVII: Sephiroth's comparison to an angel is just blatant and is the easiest to source. Helletic (Heretic) Hojo, Bizzaro (Rebirth) Sephiroth, Safer (Sefer) Sephiroth, even "sephiroth" itself refers to the tree of Sephirot, the ten attributes of god; not to mention his nick-name the "one-winged angel" and his theme song "one winged angel". FFVIII: Rinoa's wings appear when she uses "Angel Wing" limit break, the heavy use of white and black feathers in the opening sequence paints a very prominant symbolism. FFIX: Kuja gets red feathers when he enters trance, and he is explicitly titled an "angel of death". FFIX is unique in that it demonstrates feathers and not full wings, and FFX is unique in that it has no apparent connection to angelic symbology and is perhaps the only instance of wings possibly being a merely incidental design. (3) There was implied consensus by no dispute that this was not unattributable nor trivial back when it was a section in Final Fantasy (series), the only reason it was ultimately removed was because it was deemed to belong in another article that went into more detail. Well this is such an article that goes into more detail.
Pendants, on the other hand, (1) may not be OR but they are trivial as they are not displayed as a prominent theme anywhere other than FFIX. (2) Pendants are an entirely incidental character design as none of them have any common symbology or meaning.
You are a very intelligent editor, and I cannot believe that you honestly feel that Pendants and Necklaces are a worthy inclusion. Based on this, and your past history ( 1 and 2) I am finding it difficult to assume good faith and can only conclude that you wrote this section solely to make a point. Instead of making edits designed to illustrate your point and forcing me to start a discussion thread, you should have started a discussion thread yourself and voiced your concerns. --— Δαίδαλος Σ Σ 21:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Since I don't want to get into a revert war, I'll discuss it here.
For why it can't be mammalian - because mammals with wings don't have the joint spike like that. For demonic - maybe, but in almost all cases where demons have wings, they are draconic, since dragons and demons were once equated. For why it's draconic - part of the above, and because nothing that does not have dragon wings (including demons) has that spike, and because it is much more specific than "demonic".
While I agree that demonic would work better (non-feathered doesn't do it justice), demons don't necessarily have wings, and it is actually uncommon for them too. If you can get some sort of consensus that everyone understands what you mean (for example, some famous demons have peacock wings, not draconic ones), then by all means, put demonic in. I'm just worried that it's not technically correct.
But it's definitely not batwings. KrytenKoro 05:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we can merge the airship article now, especially since we've found a format where we limit game-specific information and provide external links to the Final Fantasy Wikia, where people can study the topic further. — Deckill er 18:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
"The protagonists of the Nomura-designed Final Fantasy games usually have a name alluding to or directly related to meteorological phenomena or celestial bodies." I propose that this sentence be removed. It's not a common theme of Final Fantasy, but a common theme of Nomura. This theme exists in Kingdom Hearts for instance, with Sora ("Sky"). Kariteh 08:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The reason I removed "Final Fantasy Adventure" from the "Common Themes of Final Fantasy" is because "Final Fantasy Adventure" is actually not a Final Fantasy game. It is originally "Seiken Densetsu" in Japan (a part of the Mana series) and was renamed Final Fantasy only to use the brand's name recognition in North America.
I had been preparing an article entitled User:Deckiller/Gameplay of Final Fantasy a few months ago, but it's not something we need for a while. Thus, I merged relevent info (the recurring gameplay elements) into this article so that we can redirect the abysmal Final Fantasy items; that'll keep the information preserved in the edit history so we can start from scratch with a Gameplay of Final Fantasy article in the future. — Deckill er 18:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I've split Chocobo into its own article as per the latest WP:FF consensus. The remaining section needs to be trimmed a little more to be shorter a different than the article. Kariteh 07:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
In that case i say Moogles need an article of thier own. Not to mention there have been a few very important moogles in the series and they have crossovered into other series too. a second anyone? 65.124.8.131 16:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Why does "Races of Final Fantasy" redirect here if this page has nothing to do with it?
It doesn't look like there is anywhere to put this now, but it turns out that the Continental Circus is also called the Fahrenheit. KrytenKoro 05:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Please, please tell me someone was just trying to be funny when they added that paragraph on moogle reproduction in the article. When has that ever been said in the games or by a reliable source? Ravenwolf Zero 19:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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I think it would be appropriate to split out the information in this article into Gameplay of Final Fantasy (similar to Gameplay of Pokémon) and Universe of Final Fantasy (similar to Universe of The Legend of Zelda).
The Gameplay of Final Fantasy article would have a better hope of reaching GA-status one day, since common gameplay elements would probably have a lot of good research out there. It would be a good place to summarize how the battle system evolved, and the use of experience points, and so on.
The Universe of Final Fantasy would include more information about the common plot elements, as well as the common elements like airships and crystals. I'm not as optimistic that this would be a great article, but I think it would be a decent way to organize some of these disparate "common elements". Randomran ( talk) 17:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it. I do think that a Gameplay of Final Fantasy article has a better shot of being fully verified. The remaining article I've left at "Common elements", but I think it could be changed into a recurring characters of Final Fantasy article... with the "recurring plot" moving to the main Final Fantasy series article. Just thinking outloud. But I think we've definitely improved the organization of these articles. Randomran ( talk) 16:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Since most of this article focuses on characters / races / monsters / names, perhaps this article should become Character design of Final Fantasy, or even Recurring characters in Final Fantasy. The only section that would be out of place is the "Plot" section... it's in rough shape, but it could be merged to the main series article ( Final Fantasy). There's a lot of value to giving articles a clear scope, because it makes information easier to find (and edit/improve!), and it helps to prevent WP:OR. Randomran ( talk) 17:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm proposing that we merge in Recurring character names of Final Fantasy and Monsters of Final Fantasy, and turn this into an article about recurring characters in general. Maybe we would rename the article to Recurring characters in Final Fantasy? (The only section that wouldn't fit would be the general plot and themes section, which could be merged into the main Final Fantasy franchise article.) I think that would be much more organized. Randomran ( talk) 20:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The "Zantetsuken" article was deleted, and now redirects here. Why? "Zantetsuken" is a common Final Fantasy element, true, but it's not exclusive to Final Fantasty: a sword with the same name appears in Enix's Soul Blazer, and the 1970s anime Lupin III, and, more importantly, swords made by the real-life (albeit little-known) swordsmith Yasuhiro Kobayashi (not to be confused with the musician - the swordsmith died in the 1980s) were called Zantetsuken, long before they ever appeared in a video game. Zantetsuken shouldn't redirect here any more than Excalibur or Masamune should. At worst, there should be a disambiguation link somewhere. Especially since the Final Fantasy versions of Zantetsuken don't actually appear on this page anywhere. - Wrassedragon ( talk) 19:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
There's a "citation needed" tag on Yuna's name meaning "moon". Here you go: http://www.aboutnames.ch/japanese.htm 91.107.164.199 ( talk) 22:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Is it ok if i add information on the purposes of moogles in kingdom hearts series? in kingdom hearts 1 and 2 they were used for synthesize items and sometimes sell the material needed for synthesis. in Kingdom hearts chain of memories they were used as a shop to sell cards to you or you selling cards to them in exchange for points. they will be returning to kingdom hearts 358/2 days but in organization XII cloaks from kingdom hearts chain of memories and 2. UserRosen Lorena 17:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
i believe moogles deserve a seperate page, just like chocobos have. theres alot of information and if we find external links it can be official. also moogles have some characteristics that are differentiate eachother from different final fantasy and other series. UserRosen Lorena 17:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
no not really, i've been trying to find some articles to help me on it. though i'm not exactly very bright. thats why i put it on discussion. UserRosen Lorena 15:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Elements of Final Fantasy that don't have anything to do with character can be found either at the main Final Fantasy article or the Gameplay of Final Fantasy article. This article has taken on a more focused scope, aiming at recurring characters (rather than focusing on an exhaustive list of every character in the series). For that reason, I think it would be suitable to merge in Monsters of Final Fantasy at some point. It's roughly the same size as this article, and the two articles combined would come in at about 75k -- and that's before cleaning up and summarizing them. It would certainly make for a more clear scope. I'll leave this for a while, to see if any improvements are made to the articles in the meantime. Randomran ( talk) 21:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Reading the article, it seems to me that many parts of it seems rather WP:OR. Then I come to the final part and see that a list of references that are not inline and that is probably why it looks like it is lacking of sources. Can anyone with those sources make them inline so the article could look more well sourced? MythSearcher talk 02:54, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
All the examples are from four of the main series games because Tetsuya Nomura was only a character designer for five of the main series games, which is also why the section clearly states that this is a trend in the games for which Nomura was the lead character designer, not throughout the entire series. -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 05:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
"[...]often possess similar physical characteristics, such as skinny builds and spiky hair and the ability to fight with large swords." (Emphasis mine)
There was only one Final Fantasy lead to have notably spiky hair and fought with a particularly large sword . Final Fantasy VII may be the most mainstream of them, but I would say that Cloud is pretty much unique in those aspects. Harpiesiren ( talk) 11:51, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
[4] he 9th source in the article seems to be very unreliable and inaccurate speculation with no actual logical prove. The source article started with FF many references to SW while it only listed similar named characters in 2 series, rebel against evil empire and aggressive princess. Although I can somewhat agree to the first point, the writer is very illogical in the other two points and showed a very poor reasoning power. A lot of series contain protagonists being rebels against an evil superpower and it is not necessarily a reference to SW. Especially the FFVII reference is purely wrong to a point where it makes people wonder if she actually played the game seriously or not, saying the company is killing planets so it is evil but the company did not know it was doing so. The aggresive princess part is also speculative and it is not an uncommon theme. The source is fallacy since it is essentially saying since Ford have black cars, other car companies must be referencing it when they produce black cars. The source showed a high level of unreliability since it seems to be only a self published(written by an editor means it could have no fact checking process though it is not always the case) and all the factual error and fallacy within. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearcher talk 03:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
The article currently contains the following statement: "The Chocobo signature theme is an immediately recognizable upbeat ditty that is present in one form or another in all Final Fantasy games since Final Fantasy II.", what does this mean? Does it include all the spinoffs with Final Fantasy in their titles? What about spinoffs without Final Fantasy in their titles, such as the Kingdom Hearts series, the later Seiken Densetsu / Mana games and Vagrant Story? What about the first three SaGa games, the English language versions of which were rebranded as Final Fantasy games for marketing reasons when they were localized? -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 05:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no point in Final Fantasy 7 in which Ultima Weapon is ever referred to as Ultimate Weapon. Aside from being incorrect in it's implications I would like to see a source for this claim. in battle when selected it says Ultima Weapon. the characters refer to all of these creatures as WEAPON. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buddy018 ( talk • contribs) 01:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
On the main Final Fantasy talk page it was agreed that the term effeminate would be better than androgynous in reference to the male characters. Ultimahero ( talk) 04:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Also, female characters tend to be slightly tomboyish as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.180 ( talk) 18:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
As far as Wikipedia:WikiProject_Square_Enix articles go, why is this one regarded as low-importance? I think an article highlighting the recurring character and character designs of the series is pretty significant because it shows a sense of continuity in the Final Fantasy games. It brings to light the motifs and themes that repeat in different Final Fantasy games.
Would perhaps adding a "reception" section to the article raise it to mid-importance level? MikamiLovesDeleting ( talk) 06:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
The word "Gigantaur", which appears as a search suggestion, redirects to this page even though the word never appears on the page. I will now have to seek information about it elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.230.138.32 ( talk) 23:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I edited out the biggs/wedge thing in ff9. It's obviously not accurate. The previous claim was:
"They eventually retire from the Galbadian forces. In Final Fantasy IX, Biggs can be found hiding in Madain Sari, whilst Wedge can be found in the forest of the north-east island. "
There aren't any characters in Madain Sari except for main characters and moogles, and none of either are named Biggs. I think this is either based on hearsay/rumor or intentional misleading, so I deleted it. 71.182.183.99 ( talk) 02:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
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The source for increasingly effeminate, androgynous characters (#5) mentions nothing of the sort —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.177.60 ( talk) 04:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
he is so "gersang",he has a girlfriend,name's pusher..he also like to play her testis alone..very cruel yeargh.. Is it possible to delay merging in the races page until this page has the relevant information for the same? - ashish.vashisht —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashish.vashisht ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Where did you guys decide to put Dwarves and Humans, again?
Also, Under Mascots or whatever you want to call it, remember to put Tonberries, Pupus, Onion Knights, Moombas, Cactuars, and Cait Siths (Cait Sith was originally just a cat, before it became an FFVII character). I think there's some more, but I can't remember what they are. KrytenKoro 01:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, also, at least on the talk page, could we list where to find the other race's information, at least for a short time? I don't know where to look for Al Bhed or Seeqs, since they still lead here.
You guys will need to make sure you go over all the old races and fix that. KrytenKoro 06:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
For the mascots - I'd assume that a source for these would be them being used as mascots or dolls in FFX, frequent appearances in side games and main games, and as Square Enix plushies. KrytenKoro 15:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
This article has the potential to become infested with original research. Since the article is brand new, I believe we should develop it in the most correct way we can, by adding things only if a source is provided at the same time. Kariteh 08:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The old Races page leads to Spira. Or, alternatingly, to this page. Neither has information on the races, and it's still not clear where to look for information on the Seeqs or Shumi.
The old links to Races need to be cleaned up and fixed, and somehow (probably just on the talk page for this article, or even Races' talk page), it needs to be made clear where the old sections went. KrytenKoro 17:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I think I found the problem, Al Bhed was still linked to the old races article, and someone noticed that and (incorrectly) redirected it to Spira, I fixed it. Now, Races leads to Common Themes, and Al Bhed (and the other Spiran Races) lead to Spira. --— Δαίδαλος Σ Σ 17:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
What is listed as plot elements tend to be characteristics of RPGs in general, no specifically the Final Fantasy series. Perhaps this could be deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ngaskill ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
I noticed that you added the Pendants section immediately after I added the Wings section and that you are comparing your inclusion of the Pendants section with my inclusion of the Wings section. Please remember WP:POINT, which you have violated in very similar circumstances before.
(1) The wings section is only OR if I say what the wings represent. Since I don't, I merely report that the wings are there, there is no OR. (2) The wings are not an incidental character design. In fact, most instances of the wings have a specifically "angelic" or Deific symbology. FFVI: Kefka's wings accompanied his god-like state, and his special attack was called "Light of Judgement". FFVII: Sephiroth's comparison to an angel is just blatant and is the easiest to source. Helletic (Heretic) Hojo, Bizzaro (Rebirth) Sephiroth, Safer (Sefer) Sephiroth, even "sephiroth" itself refers to the tree of Sephirot, the ten attributes of god; not to mention his nick-name the "one-winged angel" and his theme song "one winged angel". FFVIII: Rinoa's wings appear when she uses "Angel Wing" limit break, the heavy use of white and black feathers in the opening sequence paints a very prominant symbolism. FFIX: Kuja gets red feathers when he enters trance, and he is explicitly titled an "angel of death". FFIX is unique in that it demonstrates feathers and not full wings, and FFX is unique in that it has no apparent connection to angelic symbology and is perhaps the only instance of wings possibly being a merely incidental design. (3) There was implied consensus by no dispute that this was not unattributable nor trivial back when it was a section in Final Fantasy (series), the only reason it was ultimately removed was because it was deemed to belong in another article that went into more detail. Well this is such an article that goes into more detail.
Pendants, on the other hand, (1) may not be OR but they are trivial as they are not displayed as a prominent theme anywhere other than FFIX. (2) Pendants are an entirely incidental character design as none of them have any common symbology or meaning.
You are a very intelligent editor, and I cannot believe that you honestly feel that Pendants and Necklaces are a worthy inclusion. Based on this, and your past history ( 1 and 2) I am finding it difficult to assume good faith and can only conclude that you wrote this section solely to make a point. Instead of making edits designed to illustrate your point and forcing me to start a discussion thread, you should have started a discussion thread yourself and voiced your concerns. --— Δαίδαλος Σ Σ 21:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Since I don't want to get into a revert war, I'll discuss it here.
For why it can't be mammalian - because mammals with wings don't have the joint spike like that. For demonic - maybe, but in almost all cases where demons have wings, they are draconic, since dragons and demons were once equated. For why it's draconic - part of the above, and because nothing that does not have dragon wings (including demons) has that spike, and because it is much more specific than "demonic".
While I agree that demonic would work better (non-feathered doesn't do it justice), demons don't necessarily have wings, and it is actually uncommon for them too. If you can get some sort of consensus that everyone understands what you mean (for example, some famous demons have peacock wings, not draconic ones), then by all means, put demonic in. I'm just worried that it's not technically correct.
But it's definitely not batwings. KrytenKoro 05:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we can merge the airship article now, especially since we've found a format where we limit game-specific information and provide external links to the Final Fantasy Wikia, where people can study the topic further. — Deckill er 18:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
"The protagonists of the Nomura-designed Final Fantasy games usually have a name alluding to or directly related to meteorological phenomena or celestial bodies." I propose that this sentence be removed. It's not a common theme of Final Fantasy, but a common theme of Nomura. This theme exists in Kingdom Hearts for instance, with Sora ("Sky"). Kariteh 08:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The reason I removed "Final Fantasy Adventure" from the "Common Themes of Final Fantasy" is because "Final Fantasy Adventure" is actually not a Final Fantasy game. It is originally "Seiken Densetsu" in Japan (a part of the Mana series) and was renamed Final Fantasy only to use the brand's name recognition in North America.
I had been preparing an article entitled User:Deckiller/Gameplay of Final Fantasy a few months ago, but it's not something we need for a while. Thus, I merged relevent info (the recurring gameplay elements) into this article so that we can redirect the abysmal Final Fantasy items; that'll keep the information preserved in the edit history so we can start from scratch with a Gameplay of Final Fantasy article in the future. — Deckill er 18:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I've split Chocobo into its own article as per the latest WP:FF consensus. The remaining section needs to be trimmed a little more to be shorter a different than the article. Kariteh 07:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
In that case i say Moogles need an article of thier own. Not to mention there have been a few very important moogles in the series and they have crossovered into other series too. a second anyone? 65.124.8.131 16:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Why does "Races of Final Fantasy" redirect here if this page has nothing to do with it?
It doesn't look like there is anywhere to put this now, but it turns out that the Continental Circus is also called the Fahrenheit. KrytenKoro 05:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Please, please tell me someone was just trying to be funny when they added that paragraph on moogle reproduction in the article. When has that ever been said in the games or by a reliable source? Ravenwolf Zero 19:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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I think it would be appropriate to split out the information in this article into Gameplay of Final Fantasy (similar to Gameplay of Pokémon) and Universe of Final Fantasy (similar to Universe of The Legend of Zelda).
The Gameplay of Final Fantasy article would have a better hope of reaching GA-status one day, since common gameplay elements would probably have a lot of good research out there. It would be a good place to summarize how the battle system evolved, and the use of experience points, and so on.
The Universe of Final Fantasy would include more information about the common plot elements, as well as the common elements like airships and crystals. I'm not as optimistic that this would be a great article, but I think it would be a decent way to organize some of these disparate "common elements". Randomran ( talk) 17:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it. I do think that a Gameplay of Final Fantasy article has a better shot of being fully verified. The remaining article I've left at "Common elements", but I think it could be changed into a recurring characters of Final Fantasy article... with the "recurring plot" moving to the main Final Fantasy series article. Just thinking outloud. But I think we've definitely improved the organization of these articles. Randomran ( talk) 16:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Since most of this article focuses on characters / races / monsters / names, perhaps this article should become Character design of Final Fantasy, or even Recurring characters in Final Fantasy. The only section that would be out of place is the "Plot" section... it's in rough shape, but it could be merged to the main series article ( Final Fantasy). There's a lot of value to giving articles a clear scope, because it makes information easier to find (and edit/improve!), and it helps to prevent WP:OR. Randomran ( talk) 17:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm proposing that we merge in Recurring character names of Final Fantasy and Monsters of Final Fantasy, and turn this into an article about recurring characters in general. Maybe we would rename the article to Recurring characters in Final Fantasy? (The only section that wouldn't fit would be the general plot and themes section, which could be merged into the main Final Fantasy franchise article.) I think that would be much more organized. Randomran ( talk) 20:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The "Zantetsuken" article was deleted, and now redirects here. Why? "Zantetsuken" is a common Final Fantasy element, true, but it's not exclusive to Final Fantasty: a sword with the same name appears in Enix's Soul Blazer, and the 1970s anime Lupin III, and, more importantly, swords made by the real-life (albeit little-known) swordsmith Yasuhiro Kobayashi (not to be confused with the musician - the swordsmith died in the 1980s) were called Zantetsuken, long before they ever appeared in a video game. Zantetsuken shouldn't redirect here any more than Excalibur or Masamune should. At worst, there should be a disambiguation link somewhere. Especially since the Final Fantasy versions of Zantetsuken don't actually appear on this page anywhere. - Wrassedragon ( talk) 19:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
There's a "citation needed" tag on Yuna's name meaning "moon". Here you go: http://www.aboutnames.ch/japanese.htm 91.107.164.199 ( talk) 22:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Is it ok if i add information on the purposes of moogles in kingdom hearts series? in kingdom hearts 1 and 2 they were used for synthesize items and sometimes sell the material needed for synthesis. in Kingdom hearts chain of memories they were used as a shop to sell cards to you or you selling cards to them in exchange for points. they will be returning to kingdom hearts 358/2 days but in organization XII cloaks from kingdom hearts chain of memories and 2. UserRosen Lorena 17:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
i believe moogles deserve a seperate page, just like chocobos have. theres alot of information and if we find external links it can be official. also moogles have some characteristics that are differentiate eachother from different final fantasy and other series. UserRosen Lorena 17:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
no not really, i've been trying to find some articles to help me on it. though i'm not exactly very bright. thats why i put it on discussion. UserRosen Lorena 15:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Elements of Final Fantasy that don't have anything to do with character can be found either at the main Final Fantasy article or the Gameplay of Final Fantasy article. This article has taken on a more focused scope, aiming at recurring characters (rather than focusing on an exhaustive list of every character in the series). For that reason, I think it would be suitable to merge in Monsters of Final Fantasy at some point. It's roughly the same size as this article, and the two articles combined would come in at about 75k -- and that's before cleaning up and summarizing them. It would certainly make for a more clear scope. I'll leave this for a while, to see if any improvements are made to the articles in the meantime. Randomran ( talk) 21:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Reading the article, it seems to me that many parts of it seems rather WP:OR. Then I come to the final part and see that a list of references that are not inline and that is probably why it looks like it is lacking of sources. Can anyone with those sources make them inline so the article could look more well sourced? MythSearcher talk 02:54, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
All the examples are from four of the main series games because Tetsuya Nomura was only a character designer for five of the main series games, which is also why the section clearly states that this is a trend in the games for which Nomura was the lead character designer, not throughout the entire series. -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 05:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
"[...]often possess similar physical characteristics, such as skinny builds and spiky hair and the ability to fight with large swords." (Emphasis mine)
There was only one Final Fantasy lead to have notably spiky hair and fought with a particularly large sword . Final Fantasy VII may be the most mainstream of them, but I would say that Cloud is pretty much unique in those aspects. Harpiesiren ( talk) 11:51, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
[4] he 9th source in the article seems to be very unreliable and inaccurate speculation with no actual logical prove. The source article started with FF many references to SW while it only listed similar named characters in 2 series, rebel against evil empire and aggressive princess. Although I can somewhat agree to the first point, the writer is very illogical in the other two points and showed a very poor reasoning power. A lot of series contain protagonists being rebels against an evil superpower and it is not necessarily a reference to SW. Especially the FFVII reference is purely wrong to a point where it makes people wonder if she actually played the game seriously or not, saying the company is killing planets so it is evil but the company did not know it was doing so. The aggresive princess part is also speculative and it is not an uncommon theme. The source is fallacy since it is essentially saying since Ford have black cars, other car companies must be referencing it when they produce black cars. The source showed a high level of unreliability since it seems to be only a self published(written by an editor means it could have no fact checking process though it is not always the case) and all the factual error and fallacy within. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearcher talk 03:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
The article currently contains the following statement: "The Chocobo signature theme is an immediately recognizable upbeat ditty that is present in one form or another in all Final Fantasy games since Final Fantasy II.", what does this mean? Does it include all the spinoffs with Final Fantasy in their titles? What about spinoffs without Final Fantasy in their titles, such as the Kingdom Hearts series, the later Seiken Densetsu / Mana games and Vagrant Story? What about the first three SaGa games, the English language versions of which were rebranded as Final Fantasy games for marketing reasons when they were localized? -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 05:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no point in Final Fantasy 7 in which Ultima Weapon is ever referred to as Ultimate Weapon. Aside from being incorrect in it's implications I would like to see a source for this claim. in battle when selected it says Ultima Weapon. the characters refer to all of these creatures as WEAPON. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buddy018 ( talk • contribs) 01:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
On the main Final Fantasy talk page it was agreed that the term effeminate would be better than androgynous in reference to the male characters. Ultimahero ( talk) 04:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Also, female characters tend to be slightly tomboyish as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.180 ( talk) 18:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
As far as Wikipedia:WikiProject_Square_Enix articles go, why is this one regarded as low-importance? I think an article highlighting the recurring character and character designs of the series is pretty significant because it shows a sense of continuity in the Final Fantasy games. It brings to light the motifs and themes that repeat in different Final Fantasy games.
Would perhaps adding a "reception" section to the article raise it to mid-importance level? MikamiLovesDeleting ( talk) 06:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
The word "Gigantaur", which appears as a search suggestion, redirects to this page even though the word never appears on the page. I will now have to seek information about it elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.230.138.32 ( talk) 23:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I edited out the biggs/wedge thing in ff9. It's obviously not accurate. The previous claim was:
"They eventually retire from the Galbadian forces. In Final Fantasy IX, Biggs can be found hiding in Madain Sari, whilst Wedge can be found in the forest of the north-east island. "
There aren't any characters in Madain Sari except for main characters and moogles, and none of either are named Biggs. I think this is either based on hearsay/rumor or intentional misleading, so I deleted it. 71.182.183.99 ( talk) 02:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)