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"Other islands in the English Channel" There are other islands in the English Channel which are not part of the Channel Islands. Among these are the French islands Bréhat, Île de Batz, Chausey, Tatihou and Îles Saint-Marcouf, and the Isle of Wight which is part of England.
Why is this here, its like saying on the USA page, "other states in North America", it doesn't make sense.
Am I right, that the Queen in Council is not anymore advised by the Home secretary, but by another secretary? 10:43, 23 Nov 2003 (GMT)
Are the Channel Islands really still officially part of the Duchy of Normandy, or did they cease to be so either in 1204 or 1259? Psmith 03:03, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The Queen is the Duke of Normandy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.69.4 ( talk) 07:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Could someone add something about the languages spoken on the islands? English is the main language, with only small numbers now still speaking Jersey French 17:27, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)
Like many regional languages, those of the Channel Islands have been suppressed and not encouraged. To refer to them as 'dying' is a euphemism. There are late signs of some revival, but the instruments of repression remain.
There won't be a revival there are too many English people here now, Jersey/French surnamess are dissapearing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.69.4 ( talk) 07:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Maybe this is a stupid question,but are there any (amateur)football clubs from the Channel Islands?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-03-08-feudal-island_x.htm?csp=34
I've summarised various theories on the Latin names question over at nrm:Îles d'la Manche for those who are interested. Man vyi 10:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
All these names seem to be Celtic: Sarmia for Sarnia? is probably for *Isarnia based on Celtic isarno : iron. Cf. Cernay (Sarneium, Sarnacum... ), Cernières ( Sarnerias ).... if this writing is correct. Riduna can be based on the celtic word rito- : ford (Cf. Welsh rhyd ) and the Celtic goddess Ritona. But the old name of Jersey: Angia (after Andium that sems to be Celtic ) is probably a corruption in the documents for augia < *aujo < *agwjo Germanic word for Island (Cf. -ey ). Nortmannus ( talk) 09:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that the Antonine Itinary does not name all places, only some on a particular route, at a couple of days travel apart. Therefore when Riduna appears after Vectis (Wight), Riduna is probably refering to the coast of the land of the Redones tribe near Rennes. Sarnia two days more on toward Finisterre, so to try and apply the names to the islands would be somewhat dubious. I personally suspect that the island names of 2000 years ago would not be that far removed from the 1000 year old or present day names. For example the French spelling of Guernesey, Guer (e)nes ey still contains the Breton "enes" (island) element with a Norse "ey" suffix. ---- 20 Sept 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boullion ( talk • contribs) 18:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
The main article could be improved if a link were made to a list of educational films featuring the Channel Islands. Does such a list exist? Or can such a list be created?
Does anybody know if there is a source somewhere (such as National Geographic) for documentaries on the Channel Islands? 198.177.27.27 08:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
It is somewhat forbidden knowledge but in 1950 two sundry parts of the Channel Islands nearly fell to the never-ending NWO-backed French expansionism/annexation. Anyway, a 1959 film (starring Charlton Heston no less) is set on the British Minkies (Minquiers) hight: The Wreck of the Mary Deare
/info/en/?search=The_Wreck_of_the_Mary_Deare_(film) the — Preceding
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I know in the article it says the Channel Islands are not a political unit, but it also says that they are remainder of the Duchy of Normandy. Considering the history of Britain, France and Normandy from the 1200s to today, wouldn't this mean that legally, they still constitute one duchy and therefore (at some level) one political unit? Was the Duchy of Normandy ever abolished? And since France went through all those revolutions and is now a republic, then wouldn't that mean, that legally the Channel Islands are the succeeding (and only) Duchy of Normandy since the Duchy in French Normandy was abolished? 72.27.29.124 22:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. The "move" button at the top of the Occupation of the Channel Islands does not appear for some reason. Has someone or something disabled it for some reason? If so, why? Thanks for helping me solve this mystery. IZAK ( talk) 11:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Can't help but notice that my entry got undone for lacking 'citations in accordance with policy'. I was under the impression that citations were not required automatically (I note no references in the entire first paragraph of the article for instance). Unless someone is contesting the facts of what I wrote, can I presume this was simply someone being militant/enthusisatic with the undo button. Or are references to be forthcoming for the "fact" that "The respective capitals, St. Peter Port and St. Helier have populations of 16,488 and 28,310", or indeed that they are the capitals at all. I was under the impression that the general policy of wikipedia was to encourage contributions. 82.10.108.49 ( talk) 20:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
The top picture on this article shows a circle round the Channel Islands and has the text "Jersey and Guernsey". Considering that this article is not just about these two islands, but all of the Channel Islands, and considering that Alderney can clearly be seen within the circle, and it is also a Channel Island, this image is very misleading and not brilliant to be the top image for this article. Could someone fix it so that the text says something like "the Channel Islands"? Tom Phil 18:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
The addition of the discovery of the wreck of HMS Victory has been reverted twice now. The first time because it was "unsourced" and the location was "unknown". I readded the wreck, with a source and location. This has now been removed as "being outside the Channel Islands". The wreck of Victory was long thought to have been near the Casquets, which is why I thought it would be relevant to the Channel Islands article. Mjroots ( talk) 07:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
to [ [2]]: you did not rewrite history for balance. you rewrote an article to obscure a terrible time in the island's history: the operation of four concentration camps (and one a death camp) on alderney soil. the alderney concentration camps are a fact. slave labor and mass murder is a fact. there is no balance in trying to a shameful time in europe's past. i will wait a few days, then revert the article. -- diremarc ( talk) 15:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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Man vyi: sir, you are a charmer. thank you for your reasonable and calm demeanor. your revision is good. however, it is important to list the names of the four camps ( Lager Borkum, Lager Helgoland, Lager Norderney, Lager Sylt). Also Moonraker12 you caught my calendar mistake. i rewrote that section and added refs to clarify. À la préchaine. -- diremarc ( talk) 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Moonraker12: comments and suggestions are always (almost) welcome
OK, looks good
The image fits the bill, and the salient points are covered, and the link to the
ACC page is there (is that yours BTW? I’ve left a note about the page there).
As for the list, if you still feel it’s necessary, we’ll have to agree to differ; maybe get another opinion on the subject.
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Lihou is listed in "Geography" as "inhabited". My understanding is that it is not; that although the House is available for overnight booking, nobody lives permanently on the island. I don't think there's currently a residential caretaker. Unless anybody disagrees, I propose the following rewording:
The inhabited islands of the Channel Islands are Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark and Herm (the main islands); Jethou and Brecqhou (Brechou), all except Jersey in the Bailiwick of Guernsey. There are also uninhabited islets: Lihou (which can be booked for overnight stays), the Minquiers, ...
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Some years ago, I produced this map of the Channel Islands: File:Channel_Islands.svg. It's not the nicest map in the world, but it seems more informative than the first of the two depicted in this article. Do you agree? Would you like to use it? -- Oudeís talk 18:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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"Other islands in the English Channel" There are other islands in the English Channel which are not part of the Channel Islands. Among these are the French islands Bréhat, Île de Batz, Chausey, Tatihou and Îles Saint-Marcouf, and the Isle of Wight which is part of England.
Why is this here, its like saying on the USA page, "other states in North America", it doesn't make sense.
Am I right, that the Queen in Council is not anymore advised by the Home secretary, but by another secretary? 10:43, 23 Nov 2003 (GMT)
Are the Channel Islands really still officially part of the Duchy of Normandy, or did they cease to be so either in 1204 or 1259? Psmith 03:03, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The Queen is the Duke of Normandy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.69.4 ( talk) 07:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Could someone add something about the languages spoken on the islands? English is the main language, with only small numbers now still speaking Jersey French 17:27, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)
Like many regional languages, those of the Channel Islands have been suppressed and not encouraged. To refer to them as 'dying' is a euphemism. There are late signs of some revival, but the instruments of repression remain.
There won't be a revival there are too many English people here now, Jersey/French surnamess are dissapearing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.69.4 ( talk) 07:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Maybe this is a stupid question,but are there any (amateur)football clubs from the Channel Islands?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-03-08-feudal-island_x.htm?csp=34
I've summarised various theories on the Latin names question over at nrm:Îles d'la Manche for those who are interested. Man vyi 10:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
All these names seem to be Celtic: Sarmia for Sarnia? is probably for *Isarnia based on Celtic isarno : iron. Cf. Cernay (Sarneium, Sarnacum... ), Cernières ( Sarnerias ).... if this writing is correct. Riduna can be based on the celtic word rito- : ford (Cf. Welsh rhyd ) and the Celtic goddess Ritona. But the old name of Jersey: Angia (after Andium that sems to be Celtic ) is probably a corruption in the documents for augia < *aujo < *agwjo Germanic word for Island (Cf. -ey ). Nortmannus ( talk) 09:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that the Antonine Itinary does not name all places, only some on a particular route, at a couple of days travel apart. Therefore when Riduna appears after Vectis (Wight), Riduna is probably refering to the coast of the land of the Redones tribe near Rennes. Sarnia two days more on toward Finisterre, so to try and apply the names to the islands would be somewhat dubious. I personally suspect that the island names of 2000 years ago would not be that far removed from the 1000 year old or present day names. For example the French spelling of Guernesey, Guer (e)nes ey still contains the Breton "enes" (island) element with a Norse "ey" suffix. ---- 20 Sept 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boullion ( talk • contribs) 18:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
The main article could be improved if a link were made to a list of educational films featuring the Channel Islands. Does such a list exist? Or can such a list be created?
Does anybody know if there is a source somewhere (such as National Geographic) for documentaries on the Channel Islands? 198.177.27.27 08:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
It is somewhat forbidden knowledge but in 1950 two sundry parts of the Channel Islands nearly fell to the never-ending NWO-backed French expansionism/annexation. Anyway, a 1959 film (starring Charlton Heston no less) is set on the British Minkies (Minquiers) hight: The Wreck of the Mary Deare
/info/en/?search=The_Wreck_of_the_Mary_Deare_(film) the — Preceding
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21:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
I know in the article it says the Channel Islands are not a political unit, but it also says that they are remainder of the Duchy of Normandy. Considering the history of Britain, France and Normandy from the 1200s to today, wouldn't this mean that legally, they still constitute one duchy and therefore (at some level) one political unit? Was the Duchy of Normandy ever abolished? And since France went through all those revolutions and is now a republic, then wouldn't that mean, that legally the Channel Islands are the succeeding (and only) Duchy of Normandy since the Duchy in French Normandy was abolished? 72.27.29.124 22:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. The "move" button at the top of the Occupation of the Channel Islands does not appear for some reason. Has someone or something disabled it for some reason? If so, why? Thanks for helping me solve this mystery. IZAK ( talk) 11:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Can't help but notice that my entry got undone for lacking 'citations in accordance with policy'. I was under the impression that citations were not required automatically (I note no references in the entire first paragraph of the article for instance). Unless someone is contesting the facts of what I wrote, can I presume this was simply someone being militant/enthusisatic with the undo button. Or are references to be forthcoming for the "fact" that "The respective capitals, St. Peter Port and St. Helier have populations of 16,488 and 28,310", or indeed that they are the capitals at all. I was under the impression that the general policy of wikipedia was to encourage contributions. 82.10.108.49 ( talk) 20:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
The top picture on this article shows a circle round the Channel Islands and has the text "Jersey and Guernsey". Considering that this article is not just about these two islands, but all of the Channel Islands, and considering that Alderney can clearly be seen within the circle, and it is also a Channel Island, this image is very misleading and not brilliant to be the top image for this article. Could someone fix it so that the text says something like "the Channel Islands"? Tom Phil 18:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
The addition of the discovery of the wreck of HMS Victory has been reverted twice now. The first time because it was "unsourced" and the location was "unknown". I readded the wreck, with a source and location. This has now been removed as "being outside the Channel Islands". The wreck of Victory was long thought to have been near the Casquets, which is why I thought it would be relevant to the Channel Islands article. Mjroots ( talk) 07:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
to [ [2]]: you did not rewrite history for balance. you rewrote an article to obscure a terrible time in the island's history: the operation of four concentration camps (and one a death camp) on alderney soil. the alderney concentration camps are a fact. slave labor and mass murder is a fact. there is no balance in trying to a shameful time in europe's past. i will wait a few days, then revert the article. -- diremarc ( talk) 15:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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Man vyi: sir, you are a charmer. thank you for your reasonable and calm demeanor. your revision is good. however, it is important to list the names of the four camps ( Lager Borkum, Lager Helgoland, Lager Norderney, Lager Sylt). Also Moonraker12 you caught my calendar mistake. i rewrote that section and added refs to clarify. À la préchaine. -- diremarc ( talk) 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Moonraker12: comments and suggestions are always (almost) welcome
OK, looks good
The image fits the bill, and the salient points are covered, and the link to the
ACC page is there (is that yours BTW? I’ve left a note about the page there).
As for the list, if you still feel it’s necessary, we’ll have to agree to differ; maybe get another opinion on the subject.
Moonraker12 (
talk)
13:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Lihou is listed in "Geography" as "inhabited". My understanding is that it is not; that although the House is available for overnight booking, nobody lives permanently on the island. I don't think there's currently a residential caretaker. Unless anybody disagrees, I propose the following rewording:
The inhabited islands of the Channel Islands are Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark and Herm (the main islands); Jethou and Brecqhou (Brechou), all except Jersey in the Bailiwick of Guernsey. There are also uninhabited islets: Lihou (which can be booked for overnight stays), the Minquiers, ...
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