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Article moved to misleading title without discussion. The Channel Islands are not part of the UK and do not "belong" to the UK as made clear in the article. Article should be moved back pending discussion. Man vyi ( talk) 05:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I have numerous concerns about the current proposal for a guideline for the use of the term British Isles and have written another proposal. My main concerns were that the proposal as it is written here did not walk the line of WP:NPOV, did not have an adequate grounding in current consensus and practice, and did not offer any concrete guidelines per se that an editor could follow or easily understand (in the broadest sense of the term).
My proposed guidelines are here. -- sony-youth pléigh 20:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Category:Channel Islands is itself a category within Category:Archipelagoes. — Robert Greer ( talk) 01:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
The small islands off the coast of Los Angeles are also known as the Channel Islands. A disambiguation page for "Channel Islands" is thus needed. — User:pefty ( talk) 01:20, 24 December 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.203.177 ( talk)
An RFC has been opened inviting comments on whether the Channel Islands should be treated as part of the British Isles on Wikipedia. All views are welcome here. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid ( coṁrá) 20:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 17:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Channel Islands →
British Channel Islands – or "Channel Islands (UK)" or "Channel Islands (British)" "Channel Islands (English Channel)", "Channel Islands (Europe)"† or (I hope not) "Channel Islands (Crown dependency)"
"Channel Islands" should be a dab page since I don't believe it is universally understood to refer to the subject. In the U.S. (and I suspect elsewhere outside the U.K./Ireland/France), we know about
Guernsey and
Jersey, but not commonly the name "(British) Channel Islands". In California, our "Channel Islands" are well known. —[
AlanM1(
talk)]—
03:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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I have restored the article to this version which includes in the lead section that the Channel Islands are "in the English Channel". This article has said so since January 2003. It surprises me that this could be in any way contentious, but Noel darlow has repeatedly removed this statement ( [4], [5], [6], [7]). His rationale is "When you look at a map, it's difficult to understand how this island group could be described as being located in the English Channel. It seems confusing to describe their location in such a way." That may be his opinion, but Wikipedia deals in facts, and the Channel Islands are geographically in the English Channel. So for that matter is Chausey - the French Channel Island, even nearer to Normandy - or the Roches-Douvres Light.
As the English Channel article states, the International Hydrographic Organization defines the Channel as the sea east of a line joining Île Vierge and Land's End through to where the Channel joins the North Sea off Calais. This includes the waters a[d]joining the Brittany and Normandy coast.
If any reader remains to be convinced, here are a selection of references to support the statement:
Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 14:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The second paragraph contains this sentence: "In official Jersey Standard French, the islands are called 'Îles de la Manche', while in France, the term 'Îles Anglo-normandes' (Anglo-Norman Isles) is used to refer to the British 'Channel Islands' in contrast to other islands in the Channel."
I have modified the sentence to "In official Jersey Standard French, the Channel Islands ... ", to clarify that the comment doesn't refer to the Chausey Islands; however, I believe the sentence is misplaced, as the sub-heading is "The Chausey Islands". The sentence should, I suggest, be relocated to the sub-section Names. Anyone care to comment?
Prisoner of Zenda (
talk)
00:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
In the lead it claims the Islands are NOT part of the Commonwealth? However U.K. legislation ( File:AnnexB_Members_of_the_Commonwealth.pdf) British Nationality Act (1981 c 61) Annex B" states: "United Kingdom Dependent Territories [8] Crown Dependencies:
Say otherwise. Is there a source for the current claim that they aren't a part? CaribDigita ( talk) 04:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Currently, the article reads
which is kinda sorta accurate in a way that's fine for a lead overview. Hell, the Channelleers even toast their "Duke" thinking they're talking about Normandy to this day. However, at some point in the body of the article, there should be a brief acknowledgement that the 1259 Treaty of Paris formally reorganized them as part of the Duchy of Aquitaine instead when Henry III finally acknowledged that Normandy was gone for the foreseeable future. (If the exact point afterwards that the islands got severed from Aquitaine and became entirely free-floating not-quite-English-or-British dependencies could be pinpointed, that would be worth mentioning too. More likely, it was just a series of vague not-quite-statements that shifted the situation over time.) — LlywelynII 19:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Article moved to misleading title without discussion. The Channel Islands are not part of the UK and do not "belong" to the UK as made clear in the article. Article should be moved back pending discussion. Man vyi ( talk) 05:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I have numerous concerns about the current proposal for a guideline for the use of the term British Isles and have written another proposal. My main concerns were that the proposal as it is written here did not walk the line of WP:NPOV, did not have an adequate grounding in current consensus and practice, and did not offer any concrete guidelines per se that an editor could follow or easily understand (in the broadest sense of the term).
My proposed guidelines are here. -- sony-youth pléigh 20:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Category:Channel Islands is itself a category within Category:Archipelagoes. — Robert Greer ( talk) 01:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
The small islands off the coast of Los Angeles are also known as the Channel Islands. A disambiguation page for "Channel Islands" is thus needed. — User:pefty ( talk) 01:20, 24 December 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.203.177 ( talk)
An RFC has been opened inviting comments on whether the Channel Islands should be treated as part of the British Isles on Wikipedia. All views are welcome here. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid ( coṁrá) 20:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 17:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Channel Islands →
British Channel Islands – or "Channel Islands (UK)" or "Channel Islands (British)" "Channel Islands (English Channel)", "Channel Islands (Europe)"† or (I hope not) "Channel Islands (Crown dependency)"
"Channel Islands" should be a dab page since I don't believe it is universally understood to refer to the subject. In the U.S. (and I suspect elsewhere outside the U.K./Ireland/France), we know about
Guernsey and
Jersey, but not commonly the name "(British) Channel Islands". In California, our "Channel Islands" are well known. —[
AlanM1(
talk)]—
03:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Statistic | CA [2] | EC [3] |
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Page views | 15125 (19%) | 64207 (81%) |
Edits | 41 (45%) | 50 (55%) |
Editors | 28 (45%) | 34 (55%) |
Watchers | 107 (65%) | 197 (35%) |
I have restored the article to this version which includes in the lead section that the Channel Islands are "in the English Channel". This article has said so since January 2003. It surprises me that this could be in any way contentious, but Noel darlow has repeatedly removed this statement ( [4], [5], [6], [7]). His rationale is "When you look at a map, it's difficult to understand how this island group could be described as being located in the English Channel. It seems confusing to describe their location in such a way." That may be his opinion, but Wikipedia deals in facts, and the Channel Islands are geographically in the English Channel. So for that matter is Chausey - the French Channel Island, even nearer to Normandy - or the Roches-Douvres Light.
As the English Channel article states, the International Hydrographic Organization defines the Channel as the sea east of a line joining Île Vierge and Land's End through to where the Channel joins the North Sea off Calais. This includes the waters a[d]joining the Brittany and Normandy coast.
If any reader remains to be convinced, here are a selection of references to support the statement:
Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 14:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The second paragraph contains this sentence: "In official Jersey Standard French, the islands are called 'Îles de la Manche', while in France, the term 'Îles Anglo-normandes' (Anglo-Norman Isles) is used to refer to the British 'Channel Islands' in contrast to other islands in the Channel."
I have modified the sentence to "In official Jersey Standard French, the Channel Islands ... ", to clarify that the comment doesn't refer to the Chausey Islands; however, I believe the sentence is misplaced, as the sub-heading is "The Chausey Islands". The sentence should, I suggest, be relocated to the sub-section Names. Anyone care to comment?
Prisoner of Zenda (
talk)
00:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
In the lead it claims the Islands are NOT part of the Commonwealth? However U.K. legislation ( File:AnnexB_Members_of_the_Commonwealth.pdf) British Nationality Act (1981 c 61) Annex B" states: "United Kingdom Dependent Territories [8] Crown Dependencies:
Say otherwise. Is there a source for the current claim that they aren't a part? CaribDigita ( talk) 04:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Currently, the article reads
which is kinda sorta accurate in a way that's fine for a lead overview. Hell, the Channelleers even toast their "Duke" thinking they're talking about Normandy to this day. However, at some point in the body of the article, there should be a brief acknowledgement that the 1259 Treaty of Paris formally reorganized them as part of the Duchy of Aquitaine instead when Henry III finally acknowledged that Normandy was gone for the foreseeable future. (If the exact point afterwards that the islands got severed from Aquitaine and became entirely free-floating not-quite-English-or-British dependencies could be pinpointed, that would be worth mentioning too. More likely, it was just a series of vague not-quite-statements that shifted the situation over time.) — LlywelynII 19:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)