This is a very flimsy article. If you compare it to the Machiavelli piece - which links to it - it's disgracefully thin on Chanakya's philosophy and writings. I'm no expert, sadly, but can anyone make it slightly more intellectually credible? -- TinaSparkle 19:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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Where does the second paragraph come from? It seems like somebody got carried away with the whole Chanakya thing.
Subject:- Chanakya is like "Indian Machiavelli" What do you mean by that. The great chanakya borned much earlier than Machiavelli (not even heard). The work , the culture Chanakya followed and his contribution to Bharat (India) is much much important and greater than Machiavelli.
Request you to modify this word in this article.
His name is Vishnu Gupta, he was called 'Chanakya' as his father's name was Chanak. 'Kautaliya' was derived from 'Kutil' which in english would translate to shrewd.
Even though Nehru's desciption of Chanakya is mentioned, the text following is very different from what Nehru has written.
The timing mentioned about Sun-Tzu in this article, around 3-century BC, is different from that mentioned in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-Tzu ... some other books say Sun-Tzu is around 6-century BC... please correct.
The Amar chitra KAtha series has a book on Chanakya's story more accurate and interesting than the one provided. I will try to revamp section soon. Bakaman Bakatalk 02:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
No where in this article does it reference where he lived, was born or what nationality he is. Maybe this would be good to put in the introduction NinjaKid 15:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Magadha Rajya, India
The date of his death is mentioned as 283 BC at the beginning and 293 BC somewhere in between. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.37.19.80 ( talk) 16:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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Telugu: The Italian of the East
Chanakya: The Indian Machiavelli
Samudragupta: The Napolean of India
We don't need such nonsensical Euro chauvinist sobriquets and titles for our entities. What about calling Italian as the 'Telugu of the West'? Maquahuitl talk! 09:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
We need to switch to the correct spelling of " Arthaśāstra." Lotus ( talk) 17:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Please try and avoid anachronistic language and remove words such as "professor" and "university". Though these serve to describe it its not historio-ideographically correct and undermines the objectivity of an elsewise very intesting article. Scholar, for example, is also an honorific and positive-laden term whereas professor(see wikipedia article under same name) is connected with a concerete historical and institutional development.
Chanakya wrote two thesaurus in his life time. The first one is the "Chanakya Niti Sutra" which contains one or two lines sayings which means the people and the king should behave in that particular manor. n. The another was "Kautilya Arth-Shastra" in that he described how to run an empire,in that he explained briefly about cabinet and its members, rolls of them and how to track all them. If a person wants to succeed in politics must have to study it.In that he described how to divert mass in our favor.
This source looks like a good place to start Glenn, John; Howlett, Darryl A.; Poore, Stuart (2004-04).
Neorealism versus strategic culture. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd. pp. 89–.
ISBN
9780754613794. Retrieved 20 August 2010. {{
cite book}}
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(
help).
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talk)
20:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.myads.org/chanakya/chanakya.gif
this is a good photo of chankaya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aujas Bandlish ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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It is true that Mahavamsa is written in Pali language. But I cannot accept Mahavamsa as a "Buddhist" source. Mahavamsa was written with a political interest in mind and it is a history book, not directly related to Buddhism. It is the history of Sinhalese nation, and there are strong ties with Buddhism in it. But Mahavamsa does not contain the Dharma of Buddhism.
Vishvax ( talk) 17:10, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The source that I used to support my claim was Jainism by Helmuth Von Glasenapp publisher Motilal Banarasidass. As far as I know, it is a reliable source. My claim was reverted recently. I am changing it again. I request that it be pointed out why the source is being considered unreliable. Thanks Rahul Jain ( talk) 14:42, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I have added another source in support of the claim. This is Jainism: The world of conquerors by Natubhai Shah from the same publisher. I hope two published books would be sufficient for the claim. Rahul Jain ( talk) 14:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
As per these [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] sources Chanakya was Brahmin devotee of Lord Vishnu, scholar in Vedas. Hence I have stated his religion in infobox as Hindu (Brahmin). neo ( talk) 09:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Source material must have been published (made available to the public in some form). Unpublished materials are not considered reliable. Use sources that directly support the material presented in an article and are appropriate to the claims made. The appropriateness of any source depends on the context. The best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments. The greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source. Be especially careful when sourcing content related to living people or medicine. Where available, academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources, such as in history, medicine, and science.
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Neo, please learn to assume good faith. My edit said exactly what your content said:
Every single of those sentences is referenced. The changes that I made were:
Please explain why you undid these changes. utcursch | talk 21:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
WP:NFCCP has "No free equivalent" criteria: Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Since there is "an artist's impression", any artist can create a similar painting. The claim in the fair use rationale that "Replaceable? No. The subject is dead 2296 years ago, so he will not be available for photo and hence free image can not be created." is absurd. This is not a photo of the individual which could be replaced. It is an artist's impression, which can be. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 10:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Please include some references as to the authorship of this tract. This Wikipedia article is the only major source of the claim that Chanakya wrote something called “Neeti Shastra.” This seems to be a doubtful document boosted by the ISKCON cult, among others. Add any reliable, academic sources you can find (scholarly editions, non-ISKCON publications, peer-reviewed research papers, etc.). Until then, I’m marking this article. 117.197.61.91 ( talk) 07:26, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Please fix the link to reference 5 - the link is dead. The link should be http://online.sfsu.edu/mbar/ECON605/Arthashastra.pdf wikipedia will not let me edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.95.251.103 ( talk) 19:41, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
This is a very flimsy article. If you compare it to the Machiavelli piece - which links to it - it's disgracefully thin on Chanakya's philosophy and writings. I'm no expert, sadly, but can anyone make it slightly more intellectually credible? -- TinaSparkle 19:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
---
Where does the second paragraph come from? It seems like somebody got carried away with the whole Chanakya thing.
Subject:- Chanakya is like "Indian Machiavelli" What do you mean by that. The great chanakya borned much earlier than Machiavelli (not even heard). The work , the culture Chanakya followed and his contribution to Bharat (India) is much much important and greater than Machiavelli.
Request you to modify this word in this article.
His name is Vishnu Gupta, he was called 'Chanakya' as his father's name was Chanak. 'Kautaliya' was derived from 'Kutil' which in english would translate to shrewd.
Even though Nehru's desciption of Chanakya is mentioned, the text following is very different from what Nehru has written.
The timing mentioned about Sun-Tzu in this article, around 3-century BC, is different from that mentioned in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-Tzu ... some other books say Sun-Tzu is around 6-century BC... please correct.
The Amar chitra KAtha series has a book on Chanakya's story more accurate and interesting than the one provided. I will try to revamp section soon. Bakaman Bakatalk 02:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
No where in this article does it reference where he lived, was born or what nationality he is. Maybe this would be good to put in the introduction NinjaKid 15:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Magadha Rajya, India
The date of his death is mentioned as 283 BC at the beginning and 293 BC somewhere in between. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.37.19.80 ( talk) 16:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Telugu: The Italian of the East
Chanakya: The Indian Machiavelli
Samudragupta: The Napolean of India
We don't need such nonsensical Euro chauvinist sobriquets and titles for our entities. What about calling Italian as the 'Telugu of the West'? Maquahuitl talk! 09:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
We need to switch to the correct spelling of " Arthaśāstra." Lotus ( talk) 17:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Please try and avoid anachronistic language and remove words such as "professor" and "university". Though these serve to describe it its not historio-ideographically correct and undermines the objectivity of an elsewise very intesting article. Scholar, for example, is also an honorific and positive-laden term whereas professor(see wikipedia article under same name) is connected with a concerete historical and institutional development.
Chanakya wrote two thesaurus in his life time. The first one is the "Chanakya Niti Sutra" which contains one or two lines sayings which means the people and the king should behave in that particular manor. n. The another was "Kautilya Arth-Shastra" in that he described how to run an empire,in that he explained briefly about cabinet and its members, rolls of them and how to track all them. If a person wants to succeed in politics must have to study it.In that he described how to divert mass in our favor.
This source looks like a good place to start Glenn, John; Howlett, Darryl A.; Poore, Stuart (2004-04).
Neorealism versus strategic culture. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd. pp. 89–.
ISBN
9780754613794. Retrieved 20 August 2010. {{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help).
J8079s (
talk)
20:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.myads.org/chanakya/chanakya.gif
this is a good photo of chankaya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aujas Bandlish ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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It is true that Mahavamsa is written in Pali language. But I cannot accept Mahavamsa as a "Buddhist" source. Mahavamsa was written with a political interest in mind and it is a history book, not directly related to Buddhism. It is the history of Sinhalese nation, and there are strong ties with Buddhism in it. But Mahavamsa does not contain the Dharma of Buddhism.
Vishvax ( talk) 17:10, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The source that I used to support my claim was Jainism by Helmuth Von Glasenapp publisher Motilal Banarasidass. As far as I know, it is a reliable source. My claim was reverted recently. I am changing it again. I request that it be pointed out why the source is being considered unreliable. Thanks Rahul Jain ( talk) 14:42, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I have added another source in support of the claim. This is Jainism: The world of conquerors by Natubhai Shah from the same publisher. I hope two published books would be sufficient for the claim. Rahul Jain ( talk) 14:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
As per these [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] sources Chanakya was Brahmin devotee of Lord Vishnu, scholar in Vedas. Hence I have stated his religion in infobox as Hindu (Brahmin). neo ( talk) 09:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Source material must have been published (made available to the public in some form). Unpublished materials are not considered reliable. Use sources that directly support the material presented in an article and are appropriate to the claims made. The appropriateness of any source depends on the context. The best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments. The greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source. Be especially careful when sourcing content related to living people or medicine. Where available, academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources, such as in history, medicine, and science.
(for my further comments just in case section exceed 5000 chars. Edit box limit)
Neo, please learn to assume good faith. My edit said exactly what your content said:
Every single of those sentences is referenced. The changes that I made were:
Please explain why you undid these changes. utcursch | talk 21:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
WP:NFCCP has "No free equivalent" criteria: Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Since there is "an artist's impression", any artist can create a similar painting. The claim in the fair use rationale that "Replaceable? No. The subject is dead 2296 years ago, so he will not be available for photo and hence free image can not be created." is absurd. This is not a photo of the individual which could be replaced. It is an artist's impression, which can be. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 10:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Please include some references as to the authorship of this tract. This Wikipedia article is the only major source of the claim that Chanakya wrote something called “Neeti Shastra.” This seems to be a doubtful document boosted by the ISKCON cult, among others. Add any reliable, academic sources you can find (scholarly editions, non-ISKCON publications, peer-reviewed research papers, etc.). Until then, I’m marking this article. 117.197.61.91 ( talk) 07:26, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Please fix the link to reference 5 - the link is dead. The link should be http://online.sfsu.edu/mbar/ECON605/Arthashastra.pdf wikipedia will not let me edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.95.251.103 ( talk) 19:41, 13 October 2014 (UTC)