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Someone just sent me the pic, but the Kid in white in the photo is wearing a Sesame Street Tshirt and these did not exist in Israel before the mid 1980's. Hanaaat ( talk) 19:14, 18 March 2015 (UTC) hanaaat
Where was he born? I've found websites claiming him for Cork, Dublin and Belfast. Does anyone know for sure?
Seabhcan 22:48, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
May 2005 (UTC)
Some Jews who entered Ireland during the war years were granted citizenship in 1946, including Rabbi David Freilich, who had been living with the Herzog family. see [2]. (The dates given for entering Ireland may be unreliable)-- ClemMcGann 09:55, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Is this the same person as Vivian Herzog, who served as intelligence officer in the Haganah in 1948? If so, this name should be mentioned in the article.
I have changed the part which says he was born in Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland did not exist in 1918.
Chaim Herzog and Vivian Herzog were the same person (source: Dominique Lapierre's O Jerusalem) He was given both names at birth but was refered to largely as Vivian Herzog until 1956 (Ergo, still called Vivian during his Haganah days). While he was called Chaim Herzog in Israel, he continued to let himself be addressed as Vivian Herzog by people, especially English journalists
Chaim Herzog was born on the Cliftonville Road in Belfast in 1918 where his father Dr.Isaac Herzog was a Rabbi. A small plaque adorns the house in which he spent his early childhood. See http://www.ulsterhistory.co.uk/chaimherzog.htm
I remember a radio interview in the mid 1990's in which he was asked how he came to be called Vivian by many of his English speaking friends. He claimed that during basic training when he joined the British army, the Corporal asked him his name. The Corporal looked askance when he was told Chaim. Another Jewish member of the squad said that it was Hebrew and meant life, and that Vivian would be the English equivalent. At which point, the Corporal said "Well, we are not having any expletive Hebrew in this expletive army, from now on your expletive name is Vivian." 76.176.15.145 ( talk) 22:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
User:Number 57 recently moved this from Chaim to Haim, citing a passing mention in an article on .gov.il as evidence that it's the official transliteration. However, Chaim is a far more common transliteration, in both official and unofficial contexts. It's the one used in his biography on the official site of the Presidency, for example, and by most English news sources. A quick google search of .gov.il shows 226 mentions of "Chaim Herzog" versus 41 of "Haim Herzog". Therefore, I'd propose moving this back. -- Delirium 05:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The photo is far too big. Does anyone know how to resize a photo in an infobox?-- Gilabrand 05:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Under nationality it says Israeli. Chaim Herzog was from Ireland. I am going to change it to Israeli/Irish but if you know why it does not say Irish then please tell me and you can edit it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smurkledunk ( talk • contribs) 22:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
He was born in Belfast, while it is part of the UK, is in Ireland not Britain. Added is the fact he was born prior to Partition and that his family were involved in Irish republican politics, the designation of British is especially dubious. IrishStephen ( talk) 15:37, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
The Herzog foundation - Leah Goldberg - has requested me to change a picture . its the first pic on the page of Chaim Herzog. Thblum2004 ( talk) 09:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC) The request comes from the leader of the Labor party- Chaim herzog's son, Yitzhak Herzog
the picture was shoe by Al Gilbert from Toronto and needs to be credited as such.
This is the link to the requested picture:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132866478@N07/18039374128/in/datetaken/
thanking you for your consideration
Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thblum2004 ( talk • contribs) 10:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the picture. The photographer requested the following credit be under the english and hebrew sites.
The credit under the image should read as:
Al Gilbert C.M.
Thank you.
Hello Mark,I see you've already added the image. You have our blessing to use the image under the Creative Commons license for Wikipedia - this is my release - however, the image is only to be used for this expressed purpose i.e. the Herzog Wikipedia page. You do not have permission to make copies.
As an aside, Mr. Gilbert took another photo of Herzog which was used as an Israeli stamp back in the day. It'd be neat to see an image of that on the page too. -Gilbert Studio — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thblum2004 ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
My surname is Herzog but I do not believe I am related to this Herzog family; however, I am Jewish so there might be some distant connection. If I find out I am related I will cease editing this page. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 17:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
According to his Washington Post obituary, Herzog was given the name Vivan at birth and adopted Chaim later in life.
This is repeated in Rodney Carlisle's Encyclopedia of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, which says Vivan "may have taken the name" Chaim around the time of the Arab revolt.
Does anyone know if there's any truth to this? Or are these authors simply getting muddled? — Jon C. ॐ 14:23, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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Someone just sent me the pic, but the Kid in white in the photo is wearing a Sesame Street Tshirt and these did not exist in Israel before the mid 1980's. Hanaaat ( talk) 19:14, 18 March 2015 (UTC) hanaaat
Where was he born? I've found websites claiming him for Cork, Dublin and Belfast. Does anyone know for sure?
Seabhcan 22:48, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
May 2005 (UTC)
Some Jews who entered Ireland during the war years were granted citizenship in 1946, including Rabbi David Freilich, who had been living with the Herzog family. see [2]. (The dates given for entering Ireland may be unreliable)-- ClemMcGann 09:55, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Is this the same person as Vivian Herzog, who served as intelligence officer in the Haganah in 1948? If so, this name should be mentioned in the article.
I have changed the part which says he was born in Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland did not exist in 1918.
Chaim Herzog and Vivian Herzog were the same person (source: Dominique Lapierre's O Jerusalem) He was given both names at birth but was refered to largely as Vivian Herzog until 1956 (Ergo, still called Vivian during his Haganah days). While he was called Chaim Herzog in Israel, he continued to let himself be addressed as Vivian Herzog by people, especially English journalists
Chaim Herzog was born on the Cliftonville Road in Belfast in 1918 where his father Dr.Isaac Herzog was a Rabbi. A small plaque adorns the house in which he spent his early childhood. See http://www.ulsterhistory.co.uk/chaimherzog.htm
I remember a radio interview in the mid 1990's in which he was asked how he came to be called Vivian by many of his English speaking friends. He claimed that during basic training when he joined the British army, the Corporal asked him his name. The Corporal looked askance when he was told Chaim. Another Jewish member of the squad said that it was Hebrew and meant life, and that Vivian would be the English equivalent. At which point, the Corporal said "Well, we are not having any expletive Hebrew in this expletive army, from now on your expletive name is Vivian." 76.176.15.145 ( talk) 22:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
User:Number 57 recently moved this from Chaim to Haim, citing a passing mention in an article on .gov.il as evidence that it's the official transliteration. However, Chaim is a far more common transliteration, in both official and unofficial contexts. It's the one used in his biography on the official site of the Presidency, for example, and by most English news sources. A quick google search of .gov.il shows 226 mentions of "Chaim Herzog" versus 41 of "Haim Herzog". Therefore, I'd propose moving this back. -- Delirium 05:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The photo is far too big. Does anyone know how to resize a photo in an infobox?-- Gilabrand 05:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Under nationality it says Israeli. Chaim Herzog was from Ireland. I am going to change it to Israeli/Irish but if you know why it does not say Irish then please tell me and you can edit it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smurkledunk ( talk • contribs) 22:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
He was born in Belfast, while it is part of the UK, is in Ireland not Britain. Added is the fact he was born prior to Partition and that his family were involved in Irish republican politics, the designation of British is especially dubious. IrishStephen ( talk) 15:37, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
The Herzog foundation - Leah Goldberg - has requested me to change a picture . its the first pic on the page of Chaim Herzog. Thblum2004 ( talk) 09:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC) The request comes from the leader of the Labor party- Chaim herzog's son, Yitzhak Herzog
the picture was shoe by Al Gilbert from Toronto and needs to be credited as such.
This is the link to the requested picture:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132866478@N07/18039374128/in/datetaken/
thanking you for your consideration
Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thblum2004 ( talk • contribs) 10:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the picture. The photographer requested the following credit be under the english and hebrew sites.
The credit under the image should read as:
Al Gilbert C.M.
Thank you.
Hello Mark,I see you've already added the image. You have our blessing to use the image under the Creative Commons license for Wikipedia - this is my release - however, the image is only to be used for this expressed purpose i.e. the Herzog Wikipedia page. You do not have permission to make copies.
As an aside, Mr. Gilbert took another photo of Herzog which was used as an Israeli stamp back in the day. It'd be neat to see an image of that on the page too. -Gilbert Studio — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thblum2004 ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
My surname is Herzog but I do not believe I am related to this Herzog family; however, I am Jewish so there might be some distant connection. If I find out I am related I will cease editing this page. -- Erika aka BrillLyle ( talk) 17:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
According to his Washington Post obituary, Herzog was given the name Vivan at birth and adopted Chaim later in life.
This is repeated in Rodney Carlisle's Encyclopedia of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, which says Vivan "may have taken the name" Chaim around the time of the Arab revolt.
Does anyone know if there's any truth to this? Or are these authors simply getting muddled? — Jon C. ॐ 14:23, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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