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It's also interesting to note that within one block of Chadstone is every Coles Myer owned brand except for Liquorland/VC and Target Country. Coles, Bilo, Kmart, Kmart Tyre & Auto, Myer and Target are in the shopping centre itself. Officeworks, Megamart and KMart Garden Center are located at the corner of Warrigal and Waverly Roads. Coles Express is located at the corner of Princess Hwy and Warrigal Roads.
-You are right. Clearly no accident. Interestingly, Woolworths has been kept out of the region almost completely. The Shopping Centre has no Safeway, Big W or Dick Smiths (although there is in fact a Tandy). And now there is a Caltex/Safeway Petrol on the corner of Waverley and Warrigal Roads in Chadstone. Revenge 14:19, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Furthermore, apart from one boutiquey type liquer shop there is no alcohol retailer. One cannot buy a slab of VB in Chadstone.
- Clearly the opening of Woolworths, Aldi & First Choice last year has dented this argument somewhat... It is worthwhile remember that Myer started Chadstone single-handedly and the centre has grown since then... Xbopper ( talk) 04:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I lived in Chadstone (the suburb) in the late 60s/early 70s, and my family shopped at Chadstone shopping centre in its original structure. There was originally a supermarket (New World, which I believe was owned by Coles) at the northern end, which wasn't redeveloped as the existing Target store until the 80s, although I'm not sure if that was before or after the Gandel Group bought the complex.
Unfortunately I can't find any citations for this on Google. I live in London now, but there might be something available in newspaper archives in Melbourne libraries, and there is also a section on the building of the shopping centre in The Gay Provider a history of the Myer Emporium written by Alan Marshall (1961), which my mother, a former Myer employee, owns. redcountess 20:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The section on the early years said that the first major change occurred in the 1970s or 1980s with the fibreglass roof over the mall. However, this was present in the 1970s, as I remember it being there when visiting Chadstone numerous times as a kid with my mother in the mid to late 1970's. I remember it was there in 1976. Liron 1/1/2919 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lironl ( talk • contribs) 22:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
According to other articles on Wikipedia, Knox has more space (as at 02/02/2007) for let and both Paramatta and Southland shopping centres have more stores. This being the case, the first line of this article "Chadstone Shopping Centre in Chadstone, Victoria, Australia is the largest shopping centre in the southern hemisphere" needs to be removed or clarified. Dgen 02:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
You will also see with the Centro Comerial Aricanduva website [1] is not correct too. It does not say that the centre features 247,027 m2 as the Wikipedia page says it does. the Wikipedia page also states that the centre features 577 stores, when that reference states: more than 500...That could mean 501 or 529 or even 1000. Until there are up to date sources that clearly state: "Centro Comerial Aricanduva is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere", Chadstone remains largest. Also coming from an article that is more than a year old, and still only features 1 reference, that is extremely hard to imagine. I can give you references that clearly state chadstone as the largest in the southern hemisphere:
Chadstone's own brochure, and I quote: Welcome to Chadstone- The Fashion Capital, The largest most fashionable shopping centre in the southern hemisphere.
^^^Dosen't get any more clear than that. -- MelbourneStar☆ ( talk) 07:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Chadstone is not the Southern Hemisphere's largest shopping centre. (3/5 sources) - None of which state that the Aricanduva Mall is the largest in the Southern Hemisphere.
Chadstone is the Southern Hemisphere's largest shopping centre. (3/20 sources) - All of which clearly state that Chadstone Shopping Centre is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere.
This is confusing to me, because different sources are saying to us, that the Aricanduva Mall has:
Contradiction or facts wrong...who knows? What baffles me, is that there is no, (or so far) any source that clearly states that the Aricanduva Mall is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere. The 20 different sources I mentioned above, all state that Chadstone is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere, with the sources dating from 2009 right through to 2011. Thank You Bilby & Cuddy Wiftler for showing atleast some resources, other editors most probably would have been blank at adding them. If any other editors would like to discuss anything with me, please feel free to discuss with me on my talk page. I'll also respond to any comments; questions etc. that are left under this topic :) Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ ( talk) 12:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I believe that the term largest in the Southern Hemisphere is a piece of pure puffery designed to inflate the importance of an artcile. After all, the Northern Hemisphere contains 90% of the worlds population, so by extension, the term Southern Hemisphere means that sonething (usually in Australia) is the largest in 10% of the the world. What a nonsense. Incidentally, the List of largest shopping malls in the world accepts that Centro Comercial Aricanduva has a Gross Leasable Area of 247,027 m2 and has a reference to the Centre's website [24]. If you accept the Chadstone figure from their website, why do you doubt the Brazilian Centre's GLA? Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 05:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Whatever is the largest in Southern Hemisphere, Chadstone is not! And should be removed from the text. It creates wrong information misleading people to think it's the largets, and the thruth is not. This article contradict WIKIPEDIA itself here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_malls_in_the_world PLEASE REMOVE THE WRONG INFORMATION AND MAKE WIKIPEDIA THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE TRUTH !
Can someone fix the layout of the photos please, I don't know how to do it. Also, do we need three photos? Thank you muchly. Roaming27 21:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the Official Victorian Government VICNAMES register at http://services.land.vic.gov.au/vicnames/ Chadstone is located in Malvern East and not Chadstone, however a recent post has changed the location to Chadstone.
I believe the centre is in Malvern East?
What do you think?
Jackaroo1970 ( talk) 08:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe The Mall, Heidelberg West, is the oldest shopping centre in Australia. It is located in what was the Olympic Village and was opened in time for the 1957 Olympic Games. It is essentially unchanged from that time and by today's standards is tired and run-down. Bmorey ( talk) 04:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
The oldest claim is a bit 'iffy' at best. It probably depends on the definition of word 'regional'. Where I live in Sydney we now have to new Top Ryde City shopping mall which replaced the old mall. The Ryde City website makes the claim:- "The original Top Ryde shopping centre was erected in 1957 and was the first Post War retail mall on the American model which was erected in NSW." Which is a little strange in itself because the bronze grand opening plaque states Sept 15 1955. However I suppose that's a bit like the above-mentioned "1957 Olympic Games". See website here:- http://www.ryde.nsw.gov.au/Development/Top+Ryde+City+Shopping+Centre ( Terrybebb ( talk) 02:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC))
According to Chadstone's management and some sources, Chadstone is the largest shopping centre in the southern hemisphere. However, other shopping centres make the same claim (for example, the Gateway Theatre of Shopping [48]), and there is at least one southern hemisphere shopping centre ( Centro Comercial Aricanduva) which is larger in size. So do we continue to claim that Chadstone is the largest because there are some sources making this claim, do we remove the claim altogether, or do we try compromise wording which makes it clear that Chadstone claims to be the largest, but leaves it unstated whether or not it actually is? - Bilby ( talk) 11:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, if there is doubt or counter claims then we word it to make the reader aware of the situation. We use as neutral language as possible. "Claimed" or similar wording carries a negative connotation. It is difficult to avoid such wording without sounding awkward, though "reported" or "stated" might be tried, or "the centre's website says:'QUOTE'" It's useful when such statements are backed up by facts. "Largest" in what respect would be useful - floor space? number of retail outlets? number of customers? SilkTork * YES! 02:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I have restored my edits after a revert here by User:MelbourneStar.
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It's also interesting to note that within one block of Chadstone is every Coles Myer owned brand except for Liquorland/VC and Target Country. Coles, Bilo, Kmart, Kmart Tyre & Auto, Myer and Target are in the shopping centre itself. Officeworks, Megamart and KMart Garden Center are located at the corner of Warrigal and Waverly Roads. Coles Express is located at the corner of Princess Hwy and Warrigal Roads.
-You are right. Clearly no accident. Interestingly, Woolworths has been kept out of the region almost completely. The Shopping Centre has no Safeway, Big W or Dick Smiths (although there is in fact a Tandy). And now there is a Caltex/Safeway Petrol on the corner of Waverley and Warrigal Roads in Chadstone. Revenge 14:19, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Furthermore, apart from one boutiquey type liquer shop there is no alcohol retailer. One cannot buy a slab of VB in Chadstone.
- Clearly the opening of Woolworths, Aldi & First Choice last year has dented this argument somewhat... It is worthwhile remember that Myer started Chadstone single-handedly and the centre has grown since then... Xbopper ( talk) 04:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I lived in Chadstone (the suburb) in the late 60s/early 70s, and my family shopped at Chadstone shopping centre in its original structure. There was originally a supermarket (New World, which I believe was owned by Coles) at the northern end, which wasn't redeveloped as the existing Target store until the 80s, although I'm not sure if that was before or after the Gandel Group bought the complex.
Unfortunately I can't find any citations for this on Google. I live in London now, but there might be something available in newspaper archives in Melbourne libraries, and there is also a section on the building of the shopping centre in The Gay Provider a history of the Myer Emporium written by Alan Marshall (1961), which my mother, a former Myer employee, owns. redcountess 20:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The section on the early years said that the first major change occurred in the 1970s or 1980s with the fibreglass roof over the mall. However, this was present in the 1970s, as I remember it being there when visiting Chadstone numerous times as a kid with my mother in the mid to late 1970's. I remember it was there in 1976. Liron 1/1/2919 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lironl ( talk • contribs) 22:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
According to other articles on Wikipedia, Knox has more space (as at 02/02/2007) for let and both Paramatta and Southland shopping centres have more stores. This being the case, the first line of this article "Chadstone Shopping Centre in Chadstone, Victoria, Australia is the largest shopping centre in the southern hemisphere" needs to be removed or clarified. Dgen 02:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
You will also see with the Centro Comerial Aricanduva website [1] is not correct too. It does not say that the centre features 247,027 m2 as the Wikipedia page says it does. the Wikipedia page also states that the centre features 577 stores, when that reference states: more than 500...That could mean 501 or 529 or even 1000. Until there are up to date sources that clearly state: "Centro Comerial Aricanduva is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere", Chadstone remains largest. Also coming from an article that is more than a year old, and still only features 1 reference, that is extremely hard to imagine. I can give you references that clearly state chadstone as the largest in the southern hemisphere:
Chadstone's own brochure, and I quote: Welcome to Chadstone- The Fashion Capital, The largest most fashionable shopping centre in the southern hemisphere.
^^^Dosen't get any more clear than that. -- MelbourneStar☆ ( talk) 07:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Chadstone is not the Southern Hemisphere's largest shopping centre. (3/5 sources) - None of which state that the Aricanduva Mall is the largest in the Southern Hemisphere.
Chadstone is the Southern Hemisphere's largest shopping centre. (3/20 sources) - All of which clearly state that Chadstone Shopping Centre is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere.
This is confusing to me, because different sources are saying to us, that the Aricanduva Mall has:
Contradiction or facts wrong...who knows? What baffles me, is that there is no, (or so far) any source that clearly states that the Aricanduva Mall is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere. The 20 different sources I mentioned above, all state that Chadstone is the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere, with the sources dating from 2009 right through to 2011. Thank You Bilby & Cuddy Wiftler for showing atleast some resources, other editors most probably would have been blank at adding them. If any other editors would like to discuss anything with me, please feel free to discuss with me on my talk page. I'll also respond to any comments; questions etc. that are left under this topic :) Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ ( talk) 12:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I believe that the term largest in the Southern Hemisphere is a piece of pure puffery designed to inflate the importance of an artcile. After all, the Northern Hemisphere contains 90% of the worlds population, so by extension, the term Southern Hemisphere means that sonething (usually in Australia) is the largest in 10% of the the world. What a nonsense. Incidentally, the List of largest shopping malls in the world accepts that Centro Comercial Aricanduva has a Gross Leasable Area of 247,027 m2 and has a reference to the Centre's website [24]. If you accept the Chadstone figure from their website, why do you doubt the Brazilian Centre's GLA? Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 05:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Whatever is the largest in Southern Hemisphere, Chadstone is not! And should be removed from the text. It creates wrong information misleading people to think it's the largets, and the thruth is not. This article contradict WIKIPEDIA itself here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_malls_in_the_world PLEASE REMOVE THE WRONG INFORMATION AND MAKE WIKIPEDIA THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE TRUTH !
Can someone fix the layout of the photos please, I don't know how to do it. Also, do we need three photos? Thank you muchly. Roaming27 21:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the Official Victorian Government VICNAMES register at http://services.land.vic.gov.au/vicnames/ Chadstone is located in Malvern East and not Chadstone, however a recent post has changed the location to Chadstone.
I believe the centre is in Malvern East?
What do you think?
Jackaroo1970 ( talk) 08:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe The Mall, Heidelberg West, is the oldest shopping centre in Australia. It is located in what was the Olympic Village and was opened in time for the 1957 Olympic Games. It is essentially unchanged from that time and by today's standards is tired and run-down. Bmorey ( talk) 04:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
The oldest claim is a bit 'iffy' at best. It probably depends on the definition of word 'regional'. Where I live in Sydney we now have to new Top Ryde City shopping mall which replaced the old mall. The Ryde City website makes the claim:- "The original Top Ryde shopping centre was erected in 1957 and was the first Post War retail mall on the American model which was erected in NSW." Which is a little strange in itself because the bronze grand opening plaque states Sept 15 1955. However I suppose that's a bit like the above-mentioned "1957 Olympic Games". See website here:- http://www.ryde.nsw.gov.au/Development/Top+Ryde+City+Shopping+Centre ( Terrybebb ( talk) 02:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC))
According to Chadstone's management and some sources, Chadstone is the largest shopping centre in the southern hemisphere. However, other shopping centres make the same claim (for example, the Gateway Theatre of Shopping [48]), and there is at least one southern hemisphere shopping centre ( Centro Comercial Aricanduva) which is larger in size. So do we continue to claim that Chadstone is the largest because there are some sources making this claim, do we remove the claim altogether, or do we try compromise wording which makes it clear that Chadstone claims to be the largest, but leaves it unstated whether or not it actually is? - Bilby ( talk) 11:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, if there is doubt or counter claims then we word it to make the reader aware of the situation. We use as neutral language as possible. "Claimed" or similar wording carries a negative connotation. It is difficult to avoid such wording without sounding awkward, though "reported" or "stated" might be tried, or "the centre's website says:'QUOTE'" It's useful when such statements are backed up by facts. "Largest" in what respect would be useful - floor space? number of retail outlets? number of customers? SilkTork * YES! 02:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I have restored my edits after a revert here by User:MelbourneStar.