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With interior and seats fully removed and the standard metal door replaced with a sliding lexan model, the Caravan is a popular skydiving aircraft It can carry from 12-18 fully geared jumpers, depending on the model. The Caravan 675 in particular is a quite fast aircraft for flying full altitude (13,000ft AGL) jump runs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tznkai ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC-7)
Add South Africa to Military users. This type is currently in service with 41 Squadron Based at Waterkloof AFB. Not sure which version. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force#Current_order_of_battle
Roger 07:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
New Caravans only come with the Garmin G1000 system available. I am unsure since which year this has been the case, or I would already have made the update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.56.156 ( talk) 00:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Just finished looking at Janes fighting ships, 2007-2008, and the Namibian navy uses these for coastal patrol. Should this be added, or is there a page for patrol versions? 216.208.38.26 ( talk) 17:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)trainman 2
File:MAF Amphib Caravan.jpg Even though it was removed from the article, I thought this was a good photo and could be re-inserted lower in the article, however it is lacking any copyright info. Without this added it will be deleted fairly soon. If the copyright is resolved I would be in favour of putting it back in somewhere. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
The Soloy website no longer mentions the Pathfinger 21. Whats the deal here? -- 24.21.148.155 ( talk) 06:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
There is a picture of an RCMP operated 208. Since the RCMP is a civilian police force, should it be listed as a Civil Operator? - M.Nelson ( talk) 19:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
The way the photos are placed in the article is causing large chunks of whitespace which looks really untidy. I Propose we move the photos into a properly formatted gallery. Roger ( talk) 07:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Undid revision 433472610 by FlugKerl (talk) Not a goodpic IMHO. There is already a much better pic of a float version on the page. Dodger67 - Sorry, I did not realize there was only room for one floatplane in this article. You are right, floatplanes on water do not make for good pictures. Thanks for removing it right away. FlugKerl ( talk) 19:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure that the Kenya Police should be listed in the Military section. The civil section does mention police use generally, and if we add every police force using them in the military list, it will get very long. The Kenya Defence Forces article mentions the Caravan under "a paramilitary wing of the Kenyan Police" but that surely is not the same thing - again, I suspect that many countries could be listed in a similar light. My inclination is to remove Kenya from that list, but I would like to know what others think. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 11:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
As WP:BOLD seems to be suspended on aircraft related pages I'm coming here to propese a replacemnet of an existing Grand Caravan image, with a shiny new one that I have recently taken at Los Alamos municipal airport with a Canon EOD 5D Mark II.
The improvement is not revolutionary, but IMO the new image has better framing (rule of thirds and a bit more room in the front of the plane), less tilt, less clutter (making the plane stand out a bit more). Well, you be the judge... -- Dschwen 21:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
A recent issue of AVIATION WEEK described the armed Caravans going to the Iraqi military. They have a video / laser target designator turret on the belly and were fitted with pylons for two Hellfire missiles. I would suspect the new 100 pound laser bombs and 70 mm laser rockets will also be useful stores. Just a heads up for those who have staked out this article as their turf -- I can add details if desired. MrG 168.103.81.99 ( talk) 19:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
If you honestly believe that Wikipedia is not under the effective
control of the editors and factions of interested parties, then I can
make a real deal for you on a bridge I'm trying to sell. MrG
168.103.81.99 (
talk) 00:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I have no contributions to this article. I have my own website to
work on (www.vectorsite.net) and neither time nor inclination to
fuss with Wikipedia. I was passing through, spotted the comment
on armed Caravans, and decided to leave a heads-up for interested
parties. If they're honestly interested, they'll go to the library
and look through the recent AVIATION WEEKs. If they ask I'll even
go through my notes and give the exact issue. MrG
168.103.81.99 (
talk) 00:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Greg: Okay, well thanks for stopping by. - Ahunt ( talk) 00:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
And rather than depart on a sour note, Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night. MrG 168.103.81.99 ( talk) 00:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is the V:NE slower than cruising speed? And why is the Cruise Speed the same as Max Speed?
Maximum speed: 213 mph (343 km/h; 185 kn) True air speed
Cruise speed: 213 mph (185 kn; 343 km/h) True air speed
Never exceed speed: 201 mph (175 kn; 323 km/h) Indicated air speed — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Toothpickst (
talk •
contribs) 10:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
This does not explain the 10 knot/hr lower "never exceed speed". It is likely for a specific model, but should be indicated as such in the text. GioCM ( talk) 14:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I transformed the specs to a table because there is 2 main variants : the 208 and the stretched 208B, each with its own dimensions, engine, weights and performance, plus their own amphibian variants with again specific weights and perfs. User:BilCat revert it asking for consensus first. Since the previous info is still there and the article is just enriched, I don't understand why the article couldn't have this? -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 12:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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While browsing through commons, this is the best left-pointing inflight photo I found. It has a nice livery but even if the current one isn't pointing towards the text, the light is much better. An even better is available : File:Caravan "Skyward 676" (105092313).jpg but is seen from below in a banked turn. -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 12:02, 13 November 2016 (UTC) ( other candidates)
@ GraemeLeggett:, @ MilborneOne: You are welcome to explain how adding referenced, pertinent information, within the guidelines is not an improvement. -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 18:09, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
@ MilborneOne: @ GraemeLeggett: @ Ahunt: When you revert an addition, You have to do it for good reasons: either Unsourced, Inaccurate, Irrelevant, Inappropriate or moved to another article. Please answer point by point if you disagree with these statements :
I understand the presentation isn't what you prefer, but if you want you are free to improve it. Not to remove it. -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 10:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Any propositions for this presentation? -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 17:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Even tidying up formatting, and moving things around. Junking some excessively petrolhead stuff. We are still left with a wall of numbers.
Variant | 208 Caravan [ref 1] | 208 Amphibian [ref 1] | 208B Grand Caravan [ref 2] | 208B Amphibian [ref 2] |
---|---|---|---|---|
Engine | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-114A | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-140 | ||
Power | 675 hp (503 kW) | 867 hp (647 kW) | ||
Length | 37 ft 7 in (11.46 m) | 38 ft 1 in (11.61 m) | 41 ft 7 in (12.67 m) | |
Height | 14 ft 11 in (4.53 m) | 17 ft 7 in (5.36 m) | 15 ft 1 in (4.60 m) | 17 ft 5 in (5.31 m) |
Maximum occupants | 10 - 14 | |||
Maximum takeoff weight | 8,000 lb (3,629 kg) | 8,750 lb (3,969 kg) | 8,807 lb (3,995 kg) | 9,062 lb (4,110 kg) |
Usable fuel | 2,224 lb (1,009 kg) 332 gal (1,257 l) |
2,246 lb (1,019 kg) 335 gal (1,269 l) | ||
Empty weight | 4,730 lb (2,145 kg) | 5,585 lb (2,533 kg) | 5,150 lb (2,336 kg) | 5,975 lb (2,710 kg) |
Maximum payload | 3,070 lb (1,393 kg) | 3,165 lb (1,436 kg) | 3,350 lb (1,520 kg) | 3,087 lb (1,400 kg) |
Wing loading | 28.7 lb/ft² 139.8 kg/m² | 31.4 lb/ft² 152.9 kg/m² | 30.5 lb/ft² 153.9 kg/m² | 32.5 lb/ft² 158.3 kg/m² |
Maximum cruise speed (True airspeed) |
186 kt (344 km/h) | 159 kt (294 km/h) | 195 kt (361 km/h) | 164 kt (304 km/h) |
Range | 1,070 nm (1,982 km) | 908 nm (1,682 km) | 964 nm (1,785 km) | 813 nm (1,506 km) |
Takeoff distance | 2,055 ft (626 m) | 3,660 ft (1,120 m) | 2,160 ft (660 m) | 3,271 ft (997 m) |
Ceiling | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) | 20,000 ft (6,100 m) | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) | 20,000 ft (6,100 m) |
Maximum climb rate | 1,234 ft/min (6.27 m/s) | 939 ft/min (4.77 m/s) | 1,330 ft/min (6.8 m/s) | 1,212 ft/min (6.16 m/s) |
Stall speed CAS |
61 kt (113 km/h) | 60 kt (111 km/h) | 61 kt (113 km/h) | 59 kt (109 km/h) |
and how is that to be resolved? GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Variant | 208 Caravan [ref 1] | 208B Grand Caravan [ref 2] |
---|---|---|
Engine | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-114A | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-140 |
Power | 675 hp (503 kW) | 867 hp (647 kW) |
Length | 37 ft 7 in (11.46 m) | 41 ft 7 in (12.67 m) |
Height | 14 ft 11 in (4.53 m) | 15 ft 1 in (4.60 m) |
Maximum occupants | 10 - 14 | |
Maximum takeoff weight | 8,000 lb (3,629 kg) | 8,807 lb (3,995 kg) |
Usable fuel | 2,224 lb (1,009 kg) 332 gal (1,257 l) |
2,246 lb (1,019 kg) 335 gal (1,269 l) |
Empty weight | 4,730 lb (2,145 kg) | 5,150 lb (2,336 kg) |
Maximum payload | 3,070 lb (1,393 kg) | 3,350 lb (1,520 kg) |
Wing loading | 28.7 lb/ft² 139.8 kg/m² | 30.5 lb/ft² 153.9 kg/m² |
Maximum cruise speed (True airspeed) |
186 kt (344 km/h) | 195 kt (361 km/h) |
Range | 1,070 nm (1,982 km) | 964 nm (1,785 km) |
Takeoff distance | 2,055 ft (626 m) | 2,160 ft (660 m) |
Ceiling | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) |
Maximum climb rate | 1,234 ft/min (6.27 m/s) | 1,330 ft/min (6.8 m/s) |
Stall speed CAS |
61 kt (113 km/h) | 61 kt (113 km/h) |
Here it is in prose :-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 09:45, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
- The 208 Caravan is 37 ft 7 in long and 14 ft 11 in high, with a 12 ft 9 in long cabin. Its maximum takeoff weight of 8,000 lb implies a 28.7 lb/ft² wing loading, its maximum landing weight is 7,800 lb for a basic empty weight of 4,730 lb. Its maximum payload is 3,070 lb with a fuel capacity of 2,224 lb or 332 gal. It can cruise at 186 ktas and its range is 1,070 nm. Its stall speed is 61 kcas, it can take off over 2,055 ft and land in 1,625 ft. Its ceiling is 25,000 ft and its climb rate is 1,234 fpm. Its Pratt & Whitney PT6A-114A transfer 675 hp to its McCauley propeller.
- The 208B Grand Caravan is 41 ft 7 in long and 15 ft 1 in high, with a 16 ft 9 in long cabin. With a 30.5 lb/ft² wing loading, its maximum takeoff weight is 8,807 lb and maximum landing weight 8,500 lb for a basic empty weight of 5,585 lb. Its maximum payload is 3,165 lb and its fuel capacity is 2,246 lb or 335 gal. It can cruise at 195 ktas and have a 964 nm range. With its 61 kcas stall speed it can take off on 2,160 ft and land in 1,871 ft. Its ceiling is 25,000 ft and it can climb at 1,330 fpm. Its Pratt & Whitney PT6A-140 generates 867 hp to a Hartzell propeller.
It seems to me that the operators list is getting quite long for this article. The Cessna ref I just added indicates that there are close to 2000 C-208s in over 100 countries now, so it may get quite a bit longer yet. Is this list notable or not? Should it be removed as we have done with some other aircraft types articles or spun off into a separate article, as we did with List of Bell UH-1 Iroquois operators? - Ahunt ( talk) 02:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I think we have a new workable guideline at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aircraft/page_content#Operators based on the discussion and consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft. I have incorporated this into the article. - Ahunt ( talk) 12:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Marc Lacoste please see the above discussion and the related Wikiproject discussion. The clear established consensus is that civil operators of light aircraft are not listed. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 06:35, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting [things] described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central. WP:IUP -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 12:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
The article′s info box places the date of the first flight of the Cessna 208 on August 8, 1982, while the text says the prototype first floew in December 1982. Internet sources claim both August 8, 1982, and either "December 1982" or "December 8, 1982" as the date of the of the first flight, although I have not dug into which of these sources are authoritative and which simply are copying and propagating the contradiction in the Wikipedia article. Does anyone have an authoritative source for the date of the first flight that would clear up the confusion? Or, absent that, how should the internal contradiction in the article be resolved? Mdnavman ( talk) 12:28, 5 May 2017 (UTC)mdnavman
There used to be an actual list of military operators but it was replaced by a simple brief sentence, why? Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 07:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I am in an edit war with @ YSSYguy: over pictures. This was the apparence of the article since I renovated the pictures on December 6, 2016, explained in edit summaries : diff and following. Two days ago YSSYguy made a WP:BOLD change with multiple modifications summarised as "Updated unit costs; expanded content; other copyedits and tweaks" but also changing the pictures to his own preference. I reverted it but it was a mistake as I thought he removed referenced info but this wasn't the case, so I went back, but then I restored the previous consensual pictures.
I'd really hope collaborating on wikipedia was less abrasive.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 13:11, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Undoing sound edits just because you don't like them is pretty abrasive.
Marc Lacoste, are you going to argue anything other than "I don't like the images I chose being replaced" then coming up with some spurious 'reason' to undo an edit you don't like [3]; and claiming non-existent consensus? After all, a lack of comment does not equate to consensus - or have I missed a discussion over your image choices somewhere above? Anyway, let's talk about the images. YSSYguy ( talk) 06:26, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
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With interior and seats fully removed and the standard metal door replaced with a sliding lexan model, the Caravan is a popular skydiving aircraft It can carry from 12-18 fully geared jumpers, depending on the model. The Caravan 675 in particular is a quite fast aircraft for flying full altitude (13,000ft AGL) jump runs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tznkai ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC-7)
Add South Africa to Military users. This type is currently in service with 41 Squadron Based at Waterkloof AFB. Not sure which version. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force#Current_order_of_battle
Roger 07:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
New Caravans only come with the Garmin G1000 system available. I am unsure since which year this has been the case, or I would already have made the update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.56.156 ( talk) 00:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Just finished looking at Janes fighting ships, 2007-2008, and the Namibian navy uses these for coastal patrol. Should this be added, or is there a page for patrol versions? 216.208.38.26 ( talk) 17:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)trainman 2
File:MAF Amphib Caravan.jpg Even though it was removed from the article, I thought this was a good photo and could be re-inserted lower in the article, however it is lacking any copyright info. Without this added it will be deleted fairly soon. If the copyright is resolved I would be in favour of putting it back in somewhere. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
The Soloy website no longer mentions the Pathfinger 21. Whats the deal here? -- 24.21.148.155 ( talk) 06:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
There is a picture of an RCMP operated 208. Since the RCMP is a civilian police force, should it be listed as a Civil Operator? - M.Nelson ( talk) 19:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
The way the photos are placed in the article is causing large chunks of whitespace which looks really untidy. I Propose we move the photos into a properly formatted gallery. Roger ( talk) 07:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Undid revision 433472610 by FlugKerl (talk) Not a goodpic IMHO. There is already a much better pic of a float version on the page. Dodger67 - Sorry, I did not realize there was only room for one floatplane in this article. You are right, floatplanes on water do not make for good pictures. Thanks for removing it right away. FlugKerl ( talk) 19:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure that the Kenya Police should be listed in the Military section. The civil section does mention police use generally, and if we add every police force using them in the military list, it will get very long. The Kenya Defence Forces article mentions the Caravan under "a paramilitary wing of the Kenyan Police" but that surely is not the same thing - again, I suspect that many countries could be listed in a similar light. My inclination is to remove Kenya from that list, but I would like to know what others think. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 11:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
As WP:BOLD seems to be suspended on aircraft related pages I'm coming here to propese a replacemnet of an existing Grand Caravan image, with a shiny new one that I have recently taken at Los Alamos municipal airport with a Canon EOD 5D Mark II.
The improvement is not revolutionary, but IMO the new image has better framing (rule of thirds and a bit more room in the front of the plane), less tilt, less clutter (making the plane stand out a bit more). Well, you be the judge... -- Dschwen 21:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
A recent issue of AVIATION WEEK described the armed Caravans going to the Iraqi military. They have a video / laser target designator turret on the belly and were fitted with pylons for two Hellfire missiles. I would suspect the new 100 pound laser bombs and 70 mm laser rockets will also be useful stores. Just a heads up for those who have staked out this article as their turf -- I can add details if desired. MrG 168.103.81.99 ( talk) 19:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
If you honestly believe that Wikipedia is not under the effective
control of the editors and factions of interested parties, then I can
make a real deal for you on a bridge I'm trying to sell. MrG
168.103.81.99 (
talk) 00:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I have no contributions to this article. I have my own website to
work on (www.vectorsite.net) and neither time nor inclination to
fuss with Wikipedia. I was passing through, spotted the comment
on armed Caravans, and decided to leave a heads-up for interested
parties. If they're honestly interested, they'll go to the library
and look through the recent AVIATION WEEKs. If they ask I'll even
go through my notes and give the exact issue. MrG
168.103.81.99 (
talk) 00:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Greg: Okay, well thanks for stopping by. - Ahunt ( talk) 00:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
And rather than depart on a sour note, Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night. MrG 168.103.81.99 ( talk) 00:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is the V:NE slower than cruising speed? And why is the Cruise Speed the same as Max Speed?
Maximum speed: 213 mph (343 km/h; 185 kn) True air speed
Cruise speed: 213 mph (185 kn; 343 km/h) True air speed
Never exceed speed: 201 mph (175 kn; 323 km/h) Indicated air speed — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Toothpickst (
talk •
contribs) 10:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
This does not explain the 10 knot/hr lower "never exceed speed". It is likely for a specific model, but should be indicated as such in the text. GioCM ( talk) 14:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I transformed the specs to a table because there is 2 main variants : the 208 and the stretched 208B, each with its own dimensions, engine, weights and performance, plus their own amphibian variants with again specific weights and perfs. User:BilCat revert it asking for consensus first. Since the previous info is still there and the article is just enriched, I don't understand why the article couldn't have this? -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 12:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Curated from the nearly one thousand pictures on commons, often difficult to browse, to illustrate particular article sections : User:Marc Lacoste/Cessna 208 gallery -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 15:48, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
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While browsing through commons, this is the best left-pointing inflight photo I found. It has a nice livery but even if the current one isn't pointing towards the text, the light is much better. An even better is available : File:Caravan "Skyward 676" (105092313).jpg but is seen from below in a banked turn. -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 12:02, 13 November 2016 (UTC) ( other candidates)
@ GraemeLeggett:, @ MilborneOne: You are welcome to explain how adding referenced, pertinent information, within the guidelines is not an improvement. -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 18:09, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
@ MilborneOne: @ GraemeLeggett: @ Ahunt: When you revert an addition, You have to do it for good reasons: either Unsourced, Inaccurate, Irrelevant, Inappropriate or moved to another article. Please answer point by point if you disagree with these statements :
I understand the presentation isn't what you prefer, but if you want you are free to improve it. Not to remove it. -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 10:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Any propositions for this presentation? -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 17:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Even tidying up formatting, and moving things around. Junking some excessively petrolhead stuff. We are still left with a wall of numbers.
Variant | 208 Caravan [ref 1] | 208 Amphibian [ref 1] | 208B Grand Caravan [ref 2] | 208B Amphibian [ref 2] |
---|---|---|---|---|
Engine | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-114A | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-140 | ||
Power | 675 hp (503 kW) | 867 hp (647 kW) | ||
Length | 37 ft 7 in (11.46 m) | 38 ft 1 in (11.61 m) | 41 ft 7 in (12.67 m) | |
Height | 14 ft 11 in (4.53 m) | 17 ft 7 in (5.36 m) | 15 ft 1 in (4.60 m) | 17 ft 5 in (5.31 m) |
Maximum occupants | 10 - 14 | |||
Maximum takeoff weight | 8,000 lb (3,629 kg) | 8,750 lb (3,969 kg) | 8,807 lb (3,995 kg) | 9,062 lb (4,110 kg) |
Usable fuel | 2,224 lb (1,009 kg) 332 gal (1,257 l) |
2,246 lb (1,019 kg) 335 gal (1,269 l) | ||
Empty weight | 4,730 lb (2,145 kg) | 5,585 lb (2,533 kg) | 5,150 lb (2,336 kg) | 5,975 lb (2,710 kg) |
Maximum payload | 3,070 lb (1,393 kg) | 3,165 lb (1,436 kg) | 3,350 lb (1,520 kg) | 3,087 lb (1,400 kg) |
Wing loading | 28.7 lb/ft² 139.8 kg/m² | 31.4 lb/ft² 152.9 kg/m² | 30.5 lb/ft² 153.9 kg/m² | 32.5 lb/ft² 158.3 kg/m² |
Maximum cruise speed (True airspeed) |
186 kt (344 km/h) | 159 kt (294 km/h) | 195 kt (361 km/h) | 164 kt (304 km/h) |
Range | 1,070 nm (1,982 km) | 908 nm (1,682 km) | 964 nm (1,785 km) | 813 nm (1,506 km) |
Takeoff distance | 2,055 ft (626 m) | 3,660 ft (1,120 m) | 2,160 ft (660 m) | 3,271 ft (997 m) |
Ceiling | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) | 20,000 ft (6,100 m) | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) | 20,000 ft (6,100 m) |
Maximum climb rate | 1,234 ft/min (6.27 m/s) | 939 ft/min (4.77 m/s) | 1,330 ft/min (6.8 m/s) | 1,212 ft/min (6.16 m/s) |
Stall speed CAS |
61 kt (113 km/h) | 60 kt (111 km/h) | 61 kt (113 km/h) | 59 kt (109 km/h) |
and how is that to be resolved? GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Variant | 208 Caravan [ref 1] | 208B Grand Caravan [ref 2] |
---|---|---|
Engine | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-114A | Pratt & Whitney PT6A-140 |
Power | 675 hp (503 kW) | 867 hp (647 kW) |
Length | 37 ft 7 in (11.46 m) | 41 ft 7 in (12.67 m) |
Height | 14 ft 11 in (4.53 m) | 15 ft 1 in (4.60 m) |
Maximum occupants | 10 - 14 | |
Maximum takeoff weight | 8,000 lb (3,629 kg) | 8,807 lb (3,995 kg) |
Usable fuel | 2,224 lb (1,009 kg) 332 gal (1,257 l) |
2,246 lb (1,019 kg) 335 gal (1,269 l) |
Empty weight | 4,730 lb (2,145 kg) | 5,150 lb (2,336 kg) |
Maximum payload | 3,070 lb (1,393 kg) | 3,350 lb (1,520 kg) |
Wing loading | 28.7 lb/ft² 139.8 kg/m² | 30.5 lb/ft² 153.9 kg/m² |
Maximum cruise speed (True airspeed) |
186 kt (344 km/h) | 195 kt (361 km/h) |
Range | 1,070 nm (1,982 km) | 964 nm (1,785 km) |
Takeoff distance | 2,055 ft (626 m) | 2,160 ft (660 m) |
Ceiling | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) | 25,000 ft (7,600 m) |
Maximum climb rate | 1,234 ft/min (6.27 m/s) | 1,330 ft/min (6.8 m/s) |
Stall speed CAS |
61 kt (113 km/h) | 61 kt (113 km/h) |
Here it is in prose :-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 09:45, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
- The 208 Caravan is 37 ft 7 in long and 14 ft 11 in high, with a 12 ft 9 in long cabin. Its maximum takeoff weight of 8,000 lb implies a 28.7 lb/ft² wing loading, its maximum landing weight is 7,800 lb for a basic empty weight of 4,730 lb. Its maximum payload is 3,070 lb with a fuel capacity of 2,224 lb or 332 gal. It can cruise at 186 ktas and its range is 1,070 nm. Its stall speed is 61 kcas, it can take off over 2,055 ft and land in 1,625 ft. Its ceiling is 25,000 ft and its climb rate is 1,234 fpm. Its Pratt & Whitney PT6A-114A transfer 675 hp to its McCauley propeller.
- The 208B Grand Caravan is 41 ft 7 in long and 15 ft 1 in high, with a 16 ft 9 in long cabin. With a 30.5 lb/ft² wing loading, its maximum takeoff weight is 8,807 lb and maximum landing weight 8,500 lb for a basic empty weight of 5,585 lb. Its maximum payload is 3,165 lb and its fuel capacity is 2,246 lb or 335 gal. It can cruise at 195 ktas and have a 964 nm range. With its 61 kcas stall speed it can take off on 2,160 ft and land in 1,871 ft. Its ceiling is 25,000 ft and it can climb at 1,330 fpm. Its Pratt & Whitney PT6A-140 generates 867 hp to a Hartzell propeller.
It seems to me that the operators list is getting quite long for this article. The Cessna ref I just added indicates that there are close to 2000 C-208s in over 100 countries now, so it may get quite a bit longer yet. Is this list notable or not? Should it be removed as we have done with some other aircraft types articles or spun off into a separate article, as we did with List of Bell UH-1 Iroquois operators? - Ahunt ( talk) 02:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I think we have a new workable guideline at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aircraft/page_content#Operators based on the discussion and consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft. I have incorporated this into the article. - Ahunt ( talk) 12:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Marc Lacoste please see the above discussion and the related Wikiproject discussion. The clear established consensus is that civil operators of light aircraft are not listed. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 06:35, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting [things] described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central. WP:IUP -- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 12:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
The article′s info box places the date of the first flight of the Cessna 208 on August 8, 1982, while the text says the prototype first floew in December 1982. Internet sources claim both August 8, 1982, and either "December 1982" or "December 8, 1982" as the date of the of the first flight, although I have not dug into which of these sources are authoritative and which simply are copying and propagating the contradiction in the Wikipedia article. Does anyone have an authoritative source for the date of the first flight that would clear up the confusion? Or, absent that, how should the internal contradiction in the article be resolved? Mdnavman ( talk) 12:28, 5 May 2017 (UTC)mdnavman
There used to be an actual list of military operators but it was replaced by a simple brief sentence, why? Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 07:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I am in an edit war with @ YSSYguy: over pictures. This was the apparence of the article since I renovated the pictures on December 6, 2016, explained in edit summaries : diff and following. Two days ago YSSYguy made a WP:BOLD change with multiple modifications summarised as "Updated unit costs; expanded content; other copyedits and tweaks" but also changing the pictures to his own preference. I reverted it but it was a mistake as I thought he removed referenced info but this wasn't the case, so I went back, but then I restored the previous consensual pictures.
I'd really hope collaborating on wikipedia was less abrasive.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 13:11, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Undoing sound edits just because you don't like them is pretty abrasive.
Marc Lacoste, are you going to argue anything other than "I don't like the images I chose being replaced" then coming up with some spurious 'reason' to undo an edit you don't like [3]; and claiming non-existent consensus? After all, a lack of comment does not equate to consensus - or have I missed a discussion over your image choices somewhere above? Anyway, let's talk about the images. YSSYguy ( talk) 06:26, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
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